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Yang told me after the last debate that he would consider pardoning Trump
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
samnsara
(17,615 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sloumeau
(2,657 posts)In addition, if Yang actually said that, I think a lot of people would rule him out as President.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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bitterross
(4,066 posts)I'm sick and tired of the Democrats doing shit like that "For the good of the country." Turns out, it only makes things worse in the long run. We need to deal with these people the same way they'd deal with a Democratic President. We need to prosecute them to the fullest and make an example out of them. THAT would be for the good of the country!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
I've seen this movie before. Now we know not holding public officials accountable just gives them or others permission to abuse power and break laws.
"My fellow Americans, our long national nightmare is over." If Gerald Ford could see where we are today, I wonder if he'd still believe that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SCantiGOP
(13,867 posts)I despised Nixon, but thought the pardon was the best thing at the time.
Big mistake. If Nixon had been convicted, I dont think Bush/Cheney would have lied us into war, and I dont think Trump would attempt most of his crime spree.
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PatSeg
(47,351 posts)People are held accountable for very minor crimes, some that often hurt no one, yet crimes that affect millions of people and the future of our democracy are often given a slap on the wrist. So many of the players from Watergate and later Iran-Contra have come back time and time again to cause chaos and mock our democratic process.
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TexasTowelie
(112,058 posts)disqualifying category for me. Pelosi and Obama were criticized by some for not holding the Bush administration responsible for their war crimes. Anybody willing to let Trump & Co. for subverting democracy off the hook doesn't warrant my admiration or vote.
ETA: I did not intend to bash either Pelosi or Obama with that statement. The criticism of both came from the left side of the party, I cannot fathom while people on the left side of the party would be willing to give Trump a free pass.
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Sloumeau
(2,657 posts)Because a whole bunch of Democrats voted for the Iraq War, and because it might be really hard to tie the false information about Iraq to Bush, as it was to tie Iran-Contra to Reagan, an Iraq War investigation might have gone nowhere. In the case of Trump, there was a ton of corroboration. Not to go after him would be like not charging someone with murder when they did it right in front of you.
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TexasTowelie
(112,058 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sloumeau
(2,657 posts)I was just expanding upon the discussion.
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lastlib
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So to speak
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
barbtries
(28,787 posts)if true, deal buster.
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W_HAMILTON
(7,849 posts)Andrew Yang said he does not think Trump should be facing criminal charges and would consider pardoning Trump if he were in fact prosecuted.
"We do not want to be a country that gets in the pattern of jailing past leaders," Yang said, adding that "there's a reason why Ford pardoned Nixon."
"I'd actually go a step further and say not just, hey, it's up to my [Attorney General]. I would say that the country needs to start solving the problems on the ground and move forward."
"Would you consider a pardon then?" NBC News asked.
"I would," Yang said.
Taken from: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/live-blog/nov-20-democratic-debate-live-updates-n1087226/ncrd1088231#liveBlogHeader
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barbtries
(28,787 posts)i wasn't going to vote for him anyway but WTF
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MFM008
(19,803 posts)In the race....
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TidalWave46
(2,061 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bucolic_frolic
(43,115 posts)Idi Ami, Pappa Doc, Ferdinand, Cseaucseau or however you spells it. Many go into exile and live our their days in calm and luxury, some are pardoned, a few convicted, of course some worse than all that.
If they're not going to be above the law, they should start applying the same laws as they apply to everyone else. But uneven justice, discretionary enforcement is rampant everywhere with laws, which I think a travesty that should be addressed. A traffic violation should be treated the same everywhere, but one guy gets off, another they throw the book at him.
A friend got a traffic ticket for going more than 15 or 20 miles over the speed limit. The jurisdiction would not accept payment by mail or in person. He had to go to court, in the jurisdiction, more than 100 miles away, and sit all day with like violators. The judge called the cases together, pronounced them all guilty, and please pay at the door. I guess it's a message to stop speeding, but it sure isn't a very friendly face of government.
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MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
redqueen
(115,103 posts)That's a good look that will be sure to inspire lots of non Dems to vote for our candidate.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Mr.Bill
(24,262 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
barbtries
(28,787 posts)if all past presidents - in my lifetime, Nixon, Reagan, Bushes 1 and 2, had faced actual consequences for their crimes trump never could have happened.
multiplying wrongs does not make a right.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)It's one of the reasons I don't like Biden either. I don't think Biden will hold Trump and his minions accountable, I think he'll call for "healing" and let them all get away with their crimes.
We can't keep allowing Presidents to get away with anything with promises of pardons. The cycle has to stop.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,462 posts)Pardon for trump is a big deal breaker for me.
I'll stick with Warren and Sanders,myself.
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peggysue2
(10,826 posts)Because the vast majority of Democrats would absolutely reject a pardon for the Trumpster. As for impeachment? I'm listening off and on, trying to stay informed. But I'm not obsessed with what the House is doing.
Btw, those who are staying informed--whatever the level--are demonstrating an important civic duty. We're watching and listening in the moment but we're also witnessing history being made.
A pardon for Trump would make a mockery of all pardons. In the same way Bevin (losing Governor) in Kentucky has done with his power of the pardon releasing violent criminals into the population.
Yang needs to retract.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)Pardoning Trump is a deal-breaker.
He can't be the nominee.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,029 posts)news.. who in the hell would "pardon trump"?.. except gabbard.. but now we have Yang saying.
Fortunately I don't think either one is going to get the chance.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,029 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
W_HAMILTON
(7,849 posts)He just barely made this last debate and -- now that the requirements have been made even more stringent -- he was facing an uphill climb to make it to the next debate. If these comments are true and he doesn't try to walk them back, he's finished as a candidate. Democrats will turn on him and there aren't enough conservatives out there to carry his campaign much further -- just ask Tulsky.
Never go full Gabbard.
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dalton99a
(81,426 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RockRaven
(14,950 posts)Bye, Felicia.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
captain queeg
(10,131 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
nini
(16,672 posts)He must not take our democracy seriously.
He needs to find another hobby.
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Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)the fire out that is raging in the kitchen.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bhurel
(3 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
rogue emissary
(3,148 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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pnwmom
(108,973 posts)including testimony by people he appointed.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)damn I am tired of being right
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden