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watoos

(7,142 posts)
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 09:06 AM Feb 2019

The only way we lose in 2020

The only way we lose in 2020 is if we fight among ourselves.

The foreign and domestic trolls and bots are going to be worse than 2016, Trump did nothing to stop them.

Is it too much to ask for us to remain positive? If you don't like a candidate do you have to trash him/her?

It is fine to say that "I don't plan to vote for so and so, he/she isn't my first choice." That isn't being negative.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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honest.abe

(8,677 posts)
1. That sounds great but should we ignore issues like Nina Turner??
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 09:17 AM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
3. She begs to be ignored
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 09:24 AM
Feb 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
4. I can bash any one of our candidates.
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 09:28 AM
Feb 2019

I may very well vote for Kamala Harris, but she has skeletons in her closet, what good would it do for me to bring them out? All of our candidates have skeletons, none are perfect. I couldn't believe the attacks that are out there against Amy Klobuchar. I thought everyone liked Amy. (doesn't mean they plan to vote for her)

Yup, I think we should ignore issues like Nina and that's just my opinion, maybe I'm wrong.

I am positive of one thing and one thing only, the only way we lose in 2020 is if we fight among ourselves.

The foreign and domestic smear jobs against our candidates is going to be overwhelming. I hoped we learned a lesson from 2016.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

honest.abe

(8,677 posts)
6. It might be good to get some these controversial issues out in the open prior to the general.
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 09:41 AM
Feb 2019

I dont think there is anything in Kamala's background that is serious. I heard alot already and I dont see a problem. She has effectively handled them all to this point.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
2. Exactly. Make a case FOR your candidate rather than...
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 09:23 AM
Feb 2019

...tearing down other ones.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

onetexan

(13,036 posts)
5. I'm with Joe
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 09:33 AM
Feb 2019
the only one with the experience and knowledge who can stand up to the orange bully
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
7. How do you feel when a candidate trashes the entire Democratic party with lies and smears?
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 09:46 AM
Feb 2019
If you don't like a candidate do you have to trash him/her?
How do you feel when a candidate trashes the entire Democratic party with lies and smears? Should people remain silent for the sake of some sort of fake and forced "unity"... while the DISINFORMATION continues to be spread about the party?

Is it too much to ask for us to remain positive?
I simply cannot accept and will not stand by, pretending to be "positive", when I hear someone declaring that Democrats are "ideologically bankrupt", or that Democrats are "feeble" and "corrupt".

The only way we lose in 2020 is if we fight among ourselves.
Do you consider it to be "fighting among ourselves" when loyal party members push-back against the demoralizing lies about how the Democratic party is an "absolute failure"... or that the Democratic party is "the party of the one-percent" (or the "party of the elite'')?

The foreign and domestic trolls and bots are going to be worse than 2016,
I fear you're correct on that point, and that's why I will always speak out against the SMEARS and LIES and DISINFORMATION about Democrats and the Democratic party that is the root cause of much of the division, suspicion and distrust.

All I'm trying to say is this... it's simply NOT TRUE that there's "no difference between Democrats and Republicans" and we should have to remain silent and be on our best polite behavior whenever this type of divisive disinformation is being spread. What good purpose does it do to smile and stay quiet in the face of such obvious lies and smears?

These lies about Democrats and the Democratic party only serve to demoralize us and divide us. If low-information voters have been convinced that there's "no difference" in the parties, then they end up having no reason to vote for Democrats (or to vote at all!)

Here's the thing... these lies only serve to TARNISH and WEAKEN the Democratic party... and a weakened party only benefits the GOP, and Trump, and Russia! I refuse to remain silent and I will call-out and push-back against the disinformation campaign against the Democratic party.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

KPN

(15,642 posts)
8. Or if the vote counts are hacked/flipped. Otherwise
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 09:51 AM
Feb 2019

I agree with you.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

seaglass

(8,171 posts)
9. No I think there are a few candidates who could cause us to lose. It's best
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 10:10 AM
Feb 2019

to do all possible - honestly - to make sure they are not selected.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
10. Hopefully the candidates who do that will be weeded out early.
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 02:05 PM
Feb 2019

Just saying. We don’t need anyone on the national stage selling the Democratic Party as the party of the 1% and other such nonsense.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
11. There are countless ways to lose to an incumbent
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 02:46 PM
Feb 2019

Anyone who doesn't apply the word incumbent to Donald Trump is whiffing the big picture. We do more of a disservice in pretending 2020 will be a cinch, than in critically comparing our candidates to each other toward goal of selecting the best one to defeat that incumbent.

Many sites I post on do not allow political discussion at all. That's how heated it is. So how can we possibly pretend it is out of bounds to make logical and needed evaluations among our group of candidates?

The tippy toe aspect is long gone, or should be. When we've got Russia and bots and social media of all types coordinating efforts to viciously attack each candidate, then how can we dare pretend that something posted on Democratic Underground is damaging to our cause? It may have sounded good in 2001 but is long passe.

I would argue it is just the opposite. The scrutiny is necessary so our candidates are beefed up. I am very encouraged that we are dealing with the socialism tag now, and not in fall 2020. At this point in 2015 half the threads on this site should have been related to the accelerating problem with white non-college educated voters, and how to craft a message toward them to save a vital percent or two.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

crazytown

(7,277 posts)
12. HRC vs Obama was epic.
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 02:53 PM
Feb 2019

We won that one.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

CrossingTheRubicon

(731 posts)
13. Competition among bona fide Democrats who are loyal to the party and its liberal ideology...
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 02:58 PM
Feb 2019

is a source of strength.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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