Bernie Sanders: "We don't go to rich people's wine caves..."

[Scurrilous]

"

Link to tweet

Bernie Sanders Declares Himself A Never Wine-Caver At California Rally

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"Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) drew a line at the chardonnay at a major California rally Saturday, declaring: “We don’t go to rich people’s wine caves.”

The declaration was the latest chapter in a battle over fundraising among the Democratic presidential candidates. South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg has drawn heat for a tony fundraiser at a Napa Valley wine cave in an event sponsored by the winery’s billionaire owners.

“We don’t go to rich people’s wine caves. This is a campaign of the working class of this country, by the working class and for the working class,” Sanders said to cheers at a major rally in Venice Beach in Los Angeles, where he appeared with supporter Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.)."

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-no-eich-peoples-wine-cave_n_5dfedb6fe4b0b2520d0c236d

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. I wish Bernie would get off his high horse and attack Trump and the GOP instead of Democrats.

[SWBTATTReg]

2. Really. Need to stick together and pound rump with the numerous abuses that he's guilty of...

anything that any of our candidates has is a mere pittance vs. the crap that rump has.

[dem4decades]

5. Not surprised.

[TexasTowelie]

8. +1

[SharonClark]

13. Well said.

[booley]

63. I have to ask, have you listened to Sanders speak?

He attacks Trump and his administration all the time.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

68. I can't stand all the yelling so I'll take your word for it.

But I wish he'd stop attacking Democrats.

[The Mouth]

72. Why shouldn't he?

He's only one when he's running for President

[Hortensis]

84. This is a low horse, and it is the real Bernie Sanders.

When has he ever done different?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

85. Good point...

[pandr32]

108. Past time!

[George II]

3. He and Warren are the only two who care about this.

[DavidDvorkin]

4. They're hoping a lot of other people do, as well

I think they're overestimating that number.

[Kahuna7]

6. They're preaching to the already converted. nt

[DavidDvorkin]

7. Yes.

[TexasTowelie]

9. +1

[Jose Garcia]

71. Or are pretending to

[The Valley Below]

10. I'd like Sen. Sanders to release the lifetime record of his employment history

to establish his "working" class bona fides.

Too much to ask?

[George II]

14. That certainly won't kill many trees, good for the environment.

[Scurrilous]

15. There was that one time at kibbutz.

How did a socialist kibbutz influence Bernie Sanders?

https://www.cnn.com/2016/02/09/politics/bernie-sanders-kibbutz-volunteer-israel/index.html


Otherwise, part-time working class:


"He worked some as a carpenter, although “he was a shitty carpenter,” Bloch told me. “His carpentry,” Morrisseau said, “was not going to support him, and didn’t.”

He worked as a freelance writer, putting intermittent pieces in the low-budget Vermont Freeman, a Burlington alternative weekly called the Vanguard Press and a glossy, state-supported magazine called Vermont Life.

The standards of the Freeman were not strict. “It was always fun to see what came through the mail,” said Jennifer Kochman, one of the editors when Sanders was a contributor. The recent uncovering of something he wrote in an issue from February 1972 created a burst of news coverage. It was a jumbled rant about gender roles that mentioned masturbation and rape, but even in Sanders’ commentary on the sexes he reverted to his central theme of injustice: “Slavishness on one hand breeds pigness on the other hand. Pigness on one hand breeds slavishness on the other.”

His writing wasn’t a living. The Vanguard paid as little as the rest. “It would’ve been not more than 50 bucks,” said Greg Guma, a former editor. Vermont Life? “Our rate was 10 cents a word,” said Brian Vachon, a former editor.

“He was always poor,” Sandy Baird, another old friend, told me in Burlington.

“Virtually unemployed,” said Nelson, the political science professor at the University of Vermont."

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/07/bernie-sanders-vermont-119927

[The Valley Below]

17. The Shaar Ha'amakim kibbutz was unique in Israel.

All the other kibbutzes were Zionist-Socialist, that's for sure. But none were hard core Marx-Leninist and aligned with the USSR, and certainly none were Stalinist.

The Shaar Ha'amakim kibbutz on the other hand, as the CNN article makes clear, was "modeled after the communist ideals of the Soviet Union" and was in fact dedicated to Joseph Stalin.

Sen. Sanders hid the fact that he went to Shaar Ha'amakim for decades. It took an investigative reporter from Ha'aretz to reveal the truth of which kibbutz Sanders chose to spend time on post-university.

There has been a troubling lack of transparency on this issue.

[Scurrilous]

22. Wow, you're right. Haaretz only uncovered this in 2016. He did hide it for decades.

~So...

Sha'ar HaAmakim (Hebrew: שַׁעַר הַעֲמָקִים, lit. Gate of the Valleys) is a kibbutz in northern Israel associated with the Hashomer Hatzair movement founded in 1935.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashomer_Hatzair


~And...

Hashomer Hatzair (Hebrew: הַשׁוֹמֵר הַצָעִיר, also transliterated Hashomer Hatsair or HaShomer HaTzair, meaning The Young Guard) is a Socialist-Zionist, secular Jewish youth movement founded in 1913 in Galicia, Austria-Hungary, and it was also the name of the group's political party in the Yishuv in the pre-1948 British Mandate of Palestine (see Hashomer Hatzair Workers Party of Palestine).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashomer_Hatzair_Workers_Party


~You can take the boy out of the kibbutz, but you can’t take the kibbutz out of the boy…

In contrast with Mapai, the main Labour Zionist party in Palestine at the time, the Hashomer Hatzair Workers Party put heavier emphasis on class struggle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashomer_Hatzair_Workers_Party


Khrushchev denounced Stalin and detailed his crimes in 1956. Bernie stayed at this kibbutz 'in the 60's.' Seems an odd choice.

[George II]

75. I think one reason he hid it is that they asked him to leave for not doing his share of work

[Scurrilous]

79. His efforts during their regular singing of the Internationale could have led to a quick exit also.

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[betsuni]

25. Very interesting, I didn't know that!

[whathehell]

35. He grew up in a rented apartment because his parents couldn't afford to buy

Good enough?

[The Valley Below]

37. No. Not at all.

[whathehell]

40. Too bad.

[George II]

76. That's not true at all.

[whathehell]

88. Says who?

Do you uave a link? We're expected to back up our assertions here...I've backed up mine.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/07/bernie-sanders-vermont-119927


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/mar/02/bernie-sanders-2020-campaign-launch-personal-history

[The Valley Below]

91. What does his parents living in a rent-controlled NYC apartment

have to do with his own record of working (or not working)?

Most (all?) other candidates for president in our lifetimes have CVs complete with work histories. Why not Sen. Sanders?

[whathehell]

95. The poster asked for 'working class bona fides' and I gave them

Bernie grew up in Brooklyn, which was very much a working class neighborhood at the time -- There was no "rent control'.

That's the question I answered and you groundlessly refuted, so don't try to "move the goal post' now.
.

[The Valley Below]

96. No. I asked him to produce the record of this lifetime work experience

to establish his "working" class bona fides.

I accept that he was poor for most of his adult life. That's not even close to being the same thing.

Nor is living in a working class neighborhood, or living in a shack in the woods with dirt floors.

What is his work record? Simple question.

The is nothing remotely "groundless" about examining a candidate for president's life record of accomplishment (or lack of accomplishment). Nothing could be more ordinary or usual.

[whathehell]

97. Growing up working class IS a "working clase bona fide"

What sort of work would he have had to have done to meet your definition?

[The Valley Below]

98. According to Sen. Sanders he did--in point of fact--live in a rent-controlled apartment.

'...our family was always able to afford a roof over our heads, because we were living in a rent-controlled building. That most minimal form of economic security was crucial for our family."

A direct quote.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/30/opinions/bernie-sanders-2020-affordable-housing-policy/index.html

[whathehell]

102. Read the links I posted

He also said his family "lived paycheck to paycheck" and having that "'minimal level of security" of a 'roof over our heads" 'was 'crucial' to his family -- Neither describes a comfortable middle class existence.

[The Valley Below]

103. Sanders directly contradicted your assertions about growing up in

a rent controlled apartment.

He describes his upbringing as "lower-middle class."

And what does any of this have to do with his work/non-work record?

[Scurrilous]

112. And according to the Common Three-Stratum Model 'lower-middle class' is not 'working class.'

Common Three-Stratum Model:

Upper Class - Elite, Aristocracy, Oligarchy, and Ruling class


Middle class - Middle class, Upper middle class, Lower middle class, and Bourgeoisie (regular definition, not the Marxist one)

"Middle class is the group of people with typical-everyday jobs that pay significantly more than the poverty line. Examples of these types of jobs are factory workers, salesperson, teacher, cooks and nurses." And Bernie Sanders dad was a paint salesman.

Also, "Sanders's older brother, Larry, said that during their childhood, the family never lacked for food or clothing..."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders


Lower Class - Working class and Proletariat

"Lower class (occasionally described as working class) are those employed in low-paying wage jobs with very little economic security."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_class


Income from his father's middle-class job paid the tab on his family's rent-controlled apartment and assured his family never lacked for food or clothing, the very definition of the economic security the working class lacks.

"To experience economic security, working adults must have enough income to meet their basic monthly expenses—such as housing, food..."

https://iwpr.org/publications/best-us-2018/

Under the Common Three-Stratum Model, neither Bernie or his family qualify as working class.

[whathehell]

124. Big deal

I made a small eror and "lower middle class" is virtually indistinguishable from "working class"

I've no idea what "any of this has to do with his work/non-work record" as that was never my point to begin with -- Enjoy.

[George II]

100. The first link says nothing about him living in Brooklyn in a rental an apartment....

....and the second one says little about it, and nothing about living in their apartment because they were too "poor".

Back then a majority of people in New York City lived in rented apartments - there was no such thing as "condominiums" or "cooperatives". All those apartment buildings you see that are older than 60-70 years were ALL rental buildings until the 1960s, being rented by rich, middle class (which he claims he was in the second article) and poor.

Sorry, you haven't "backed up" yours.

BTW, that business of living in a rent controlled apartment in Brooklyn is highly questionable, too. And If he was so poor why did he leave free Brooklyn College when he was 18 years old and go out to the relatively expensive University of Chicago at $1900 per year?

[whathehell]

105. Then read the second link..

He says his family.was LOWER. midde class and they lived "paycheck to paycheck"

Those are "backed up" in the second link -- Go see if you can back up your claims with even ONE link.

[Scurrilous]

107. We'll go with the socialist definition.

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"In Marxist theory and socialist literature, the term working class is often used interchangeably with the term proletariat and includes all workers who expend both physical and mental labour (salaried knowledge workers and white-collar workers) to produce economic value for the owners of the means of production (the bourgeoisie in Marxist literature)."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_class

The post from The Valley Below queried:

I'd like Sen. Sanders to release the lifetime record of his employment history to establish his "working" class bona fides.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=390776

"... his "working" class bona fides." IOW Bernie Sanders the person. What are his credentials.

Bernie's spotty pre-political resume as a 'shitty' carpenter, non-profit freelance filmmaker, intermittent contributor to alternative weeklies and and state-supported glossies and stints on unemployment expended little labor and produced little economic value for the bourgeoisie - "the capitalist class who own most of society's wealth and means of production."

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/07/bernie-sanders-vermont-119927

By socialism's definition, Bernie isn't working-class. Maybe his parents, but not him.

And social class is not an inheritance. Persons born upper class can later become working-class and persons born working-class can later become upper-class (Bernie!). Ye olde vertical mobility - "movement from one level on the social hierarchy to another."

https://study.com/academy/lesson/vertical-mobility-in-sociology-definition-lesson-quiz.html

[whathehell]

122. Are you a socialist? A Marxist?

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Nah, I didn't think so, and given that, what "we will go with" is the common sense understanding that growing up in a working class/ lower middle class family "living paycheck to paycheck" gives one "working class bona fides". Neither he nor anyone else claims he's working class now.

[ehrnst]

89. Bona fides as in accomplishments as a career politician, not his parent's income.

That's no more a working class "bona fide" than attending MLK's March on Washington is a "civil rights icon" bona fide.

Bill Clinton had the same working class bona fides if parental income is the metric.

[Skittles]

126. that will happen when Trump releases his taxes

[Mike Nelson]

11. Since Pete is not...

... a millionaire or billionaire, he should go to wine caves and raise funds to defeat Crooked Donald!

[betsuni]

12. Who picks the grapes and makes the wine? Uh, wouldn't they be workers?

[Scurrilous]

18. Right?

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California is an odd place to be knocking wine caves. Wine caves/cellars/grottoes are everywhere. Most wineries have one.

"Wine caves are subterranean structures for the storage and the aging of wine. They are an integral component of the wine industry worldwide. The design and construction of wine caves represents a unique application of underground construction techniques.

The storage of wine in extensive underground space is an extension of the culture of wine cellar rooms, both offering the benefits of energy efficiency and optimum use of limited land area. Wine caves naturally provide both high humidity and cool temperatures, which are key to the storage and aging of wine."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_cave


Roughly 325,000 people are employed in the wine industry in California. Bernie is criticizing something that is integral to these worker's jobs. Degree of ornateness and bankroll of ownership notwithstanding.

https://discovercaliforniawines.com/media-trade/statistics/

"We don't go to rich people's wine caves..." Bernie says, invoking the 'working class.' Says who? Wine tours are open to anyone. Many of the wineries on the tour are owned by 'rich people.' And hitting the tasting room, which the Hall winery cave basically is, is always the highlight.

He's very off base here with this class warfare crapola.

[sheshe2]

24. Thank you for setting the record straight, Scurrilous.

[Scurrilous]

26. You're welcome sheshe2!

[betsuni]

50. Thank you! This wine cave class war is making me thirsty.

[Scurrilous]

52. You're welcome betsuni.

Speaking of wine, cave and thirsty.

[Cha]

65. lol.. I imagine

you're not the only one.

[Mz Pip]

56. Off the mark

There seems to be some implication by Sanders that people who have some money aren’t entitled to be Progressives. He’s wrong.

[Scurrilous]

94. Sander's insinuation is pure malarkey in light of past statements.

"Sanders campaigned in L.A. one day after the Democratic candidates held their first debate. He told the crowd he had raised $2 million during the debate, and emphasized that his campaign is fueled by small donations.

“This is not a meeting around some rich person's dining room or living room, where people are putting in $100,000 into a Super PAC,” he said. “This is a people's meeting. … What we are showing is we can run a people-oriented campaign, funded by people.”

Afterward, Sanders did attend a more exclusive fundraiser at the Beverly Hills home of Syd and Linda Leibovitch, owners of Rodeo Realty. The minimum contribution was $250. According to a pool report, Sanders joked about appearing at a “proletariat” home.

“The truth is there are many people in this country who have money but also believe in social justice,” he said."

https://www.laweekly.com/bernie-sanders-74-draws-a-youthful-crowd-in-hollywood-with-a-message-of-revolution/

[Beringia]

21. The Wine Cellars have their employees

who are certainly not invited ever to the events as guests. Bernie would have his events and invite the actual wine pickers and servers.

[David__77]

29. It would be great if the working people are invited to sit in the nice chairs.

...

[Beringia]

30. Yes

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

36. Bernie WILL give working class people a seat at the table... precisely why people fear the Bern!

The Bernie bashing is understandable... that's how you know Bernie is leading a revolutionary movement that is popular with We The People.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[Eko]

43. And the millionaires since they are ok now.

Funny that.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

32. BIIINGOOO! Bernie is for bettering the life of the working class and representing THEIR interests...

not the "Wine Cave" upper class. That's why Bernie is steadily moving up in the polls and will win the Democratic nomination easily when the votes of We The People are counted.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[Beringia]

34. right

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

38. DAMN right it's right! Bernie is leading the way on so many issues important to the working class...

that's why he's a rock star with so many loyal followers.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[ehrnst]

90. "Leading the way" involves more than FB memes, tweets and yelling into a microphone.

What has he accomplished in the way of his campaign talking points?

Leaders have something to show for their efforts.

[ehrnst]

92. How about the Hollywood real estate dealer upper class?

Mr. Sanders was cheered at a fancy campaign fund-raiser at the Hollywood home of Syd Leibovitch, a high-end real estate agent, and his wife, Linda, on Wednesday night.

Tickets for the event sold for a minimum of $250. Those who spent the maximum, $2,700, or who raised $10,000, were invited to a “pre-event reception,” according to the invitation.

The 14 co-hosts included Cindy Asner, the former wife of the actor Ed Asner, the actress Mimi Kennedy, and Benjamin W. Decker, whose website notes that he was once called the “legendary Hollywood P.R. maven” by Forbes magazine, and used to produce “celebrity-driven red-carpet movie premieres.

The fund-raiser at the Leibovitch home was the type of event that most politicians typically hold. According to a pool report, guests dressed in blazers, jeans and cocktail dresses were treated to valet parking, and aides estimated about $150,000 would be raised from roughly 300 people there. It was the ninth such event of his campaign, his aides said, according to the pool report.
.................................
“The truth is there are many people in this country who have money but also believe in social justice,” he said.

https://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/10/15/bernie-sanders-has-fund-raiser-at-fancy-hollywood-home/

Syd Liebovitch's net worth was $400 million dollars in 2015.

But a WINE CAVE? That's unacceptably "upper class" ... even if it was at a winery owners.. a Hollywood mansion? Not so much.

(cue conspicous silence...)

[msongs]

16. bernie prefers vermont lake side homes owned by multi-millionaires nt

[whathehell]

39. Riiiiight....Except such "preferences" weren't realized til he was near 80 years old

Which is more than one could say for Pelosi, the Kennedys, John Kerry and majority of the Senate... It seems we're quite selective about which politicians we demand a vow of poverty from.

[Cha]

19. Not interested in your snobby purity tests, BS.

Thank you, Scurrilous

I'll take Mayor Pete over BS for POTUS ANY DAY!

[highplainsdem]

20. +1,000,000

[Cha]

53. Hey Aloha!

hpd!

[Scurrilous]

23. ...

[Cha]

54. ..

Aloha!

[comradebillyboy]

57. I'd take any Democrat over Bernie...

[Cha]

58. Definitely!

[comradebillyboy]

60. Happy holidays Cha.

[Cha]

61. Happy Holidays to you and yours, Comradebillyboy!

[highplainsdem]

27. No, he's backed by ice cream entrepreneurs worth a few hundred million who named a flavor after him.

[David__77]

28. Creamery expose, coming up!

Could be so.

[highplainsdem]

31. Sanders is fine with the ultra rich as long as they support him.

[David__77]

33. Sounds very pragmatist of him.

Perhaps an expose on those workers’ conditions would be a good thing.

[highplainsdem]

41. No, it sounds hypocritical if he condemns others for accepting campaign support from the rich.

[David__77]

44. Pragmatism welcomes hypocrisy into its church. It's all about outcomes.

...

[highplainsdem]

46. If the outcome we want is a Democratic victory, we need Biden, not Sanders.

[emmaverybo]

55. You said it!

[ehrnst]

93. Or the collection plate...

Mr. Sanders was cheered at a fancy campaign fund-raiser at the Hollywood home of Syd Leibovitch, a high-end real estate agent, and his wife, Linda, on Wednesday night.

Tickets for the event sold for a minimum of $250. Those who spent the maximum, $2,700, or who raised $10,000, were invited to a “pre-event reception,” according to the invitation.

The 14 co-hosts included Cindy Asner, the former wife of the actor Ed Asner, the actress Mimi Kennedy, and Benjamin W. Decker, whose website notes that he was once called the “legendary Hollywood P.R. maven” by Forbes magazine, and used to produce “celebrity-driven red-carpet movie premieres.

The fund-raiser at the Leibovitch home was the type of event that most politicians typically hold. According to a pool report, guests dressed in blazers, jeans and cocktail dresses were treated to valet parking, and aides estimated about $150,000 would be raised from roughly 300 people there. It was the ninth such event of his campaign, his aides said, according to the pool report.

“The truth is there are many people in this country who have money but also believe in social justice,” he said.

https://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/10/15/bernie-sanders-has-fund-raiser-at-fancy-hollywood-home/

Syd Liebovitch's net worth was $400 million dollars in 2015.

[sheshe2]

110. Well...

That's very interesting.

Thanks, ehrnst.

[Scurrilous]

47. Their conditions are fine.

How Ben & Jerry’s Got Bought Out Without Selling Out

https://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/ben-jerrys-got-bought-without-selling/


Regardless, Ben & Jerry's is now a part of Big Food. And the Bernie flavors are released under a private label 'Ben's Best' because Unilever has chosen to distance itself from the founder's politics.

“Bernie’s Back,” created by Cohen for his private label Ben’s Best, is billed as “Hot Cinnamon Ice Cream with one very large chocolate disc on top and a (very stiff) butter toffee backbone going down the middle.” The description explains the symbolism of each component: “The chocolate disc represents all the wealth that has risen to the top 1%. The backbone represents Bernie’s steadfast determination to un-rig our economy. And the hot cinnamon is our political revolution holding politicians’ feet to the fire to make America work for working people of all races and genders.”

https://www.eater.com/2019/8/6/20756848/ben-jerry-bernie-sanders-ice-cream-pint-bens-best

The chocolate disc would have to go if Unilever sold this.

[nini]

73. Ben & Jerry's is dead to me after that

They won't get another dime from me.

[myohmy2]

42. "We don't go to rich people's wine caves..."

...do you know why?

...we don't have to...

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

45. THIS!!! Bernie is for the working class in this country and will never "cave" to the upper class!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[ehrnst]

77. And definitely don't serve as a host at retreats on Martha's Vineyard for very high $$ donors...

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Oh, wait...

Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee's retreats for the "Majority Trust" -- an elite group of top donors who give more than $30,000 per year -- at Martha's Vineyard in the summer and Palm Beach, Florida, in the winter. CNN has obtained invitations that listed Sanders as a host for at least one Majority Trust event in each year since 2011.

The retreats are typically attended by 100 or more donors who have either contributed the annual legal maximum of $33,400 to the DSCC, raised more than $100,000 for the party or both.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/02/05/politics/sanders-democratic-fundraisers/index.html

https://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/07/11/sanders-courts-marthas-vineyard-donors/

[ehrnst]

80. ...but doing high $$ private fundraisers with a Real Estate agent worth $400 mil. is fine...

...because the wine wasn't served in a cave...

...

Mr. Sanders was cheered at a fancy campaign fund-raiser at the Hollywood home of Syd Leibovitch, a high-end real estate agent, and his wife, Linda, on Wednesday night.

Tickets for the event sold for a minimum of $250. Those who spent the maximum, $2,700, or who raised $10,000, were invited to a “pre-event reception,” according to the invitation.

The 14 co-hosts included Cindy Asner, the former wife of the actor Ed Asner, the actress Mimi Kennedy, and Benjamin W. Decker, whose website notes that he was once called the “legendary Hollywood P.R. maven” by Forbes magazine, and used to produce “celebrity-driven red-carpet movie premieres.

The fund-raiser at the Leibovitch home was the type of event that most politicians typically hold. According to a pool report, guests dressed in blazers, jeans and cocktail dresses were treated to valet parking, and aides estimated about $150,000 would be raised from roughly 300 people there. It was the ninth such event of his campaign, his aides said, according to the pool report.

“The truth is there are many people in this country who have money but also believe in social justice,” he said."

https://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/10/15/bernie-sanders-has-fund-raiser-at-fancy-hollywood-home/

Syd Liebovitch's net worth was $400 million dollars in 2015.

[NYMinute]

48. Sheer hypocrisy and/or sour grapes

[betsuni]

51. I'm jealous I didn't think of sour grapes.

[NYMinute]

49. un-fkn-believable .. I mean O M G nt

[The Valley Below]

59. Wine in caves? Nyet!

But vodka in semi-nude saunas in the USSR? Da!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=&w=1440

Come on, man!

[ehrnst]

83. .....

[redstateblues]

87. Honeymoon in Moscow

[sheshe2]

116. Thread win.

[Tiggeroshii]

62. I prefer a candidate who doesn't go to wine caves.

However I prefer a Democrat who goes to wine caves over a repug who brags about sexually assaulting women, sells ambassadorships, bribes countries with military aid and is verifiably, certifiably criminally insane.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

106. Me too! Bernie will never "cave" to the upper class... its why the workin class loves him so much!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[betsuni]

134. "The truth is there are many people in this country who have money but also believe in social

justice." Bernie Sanders

[whathehell]

132. I prefer a candidate that doesn't reassure Wall St. that "nothing much will change"

[Tiggeroshii]

133. Agreed.

Although I prefer somebody who has reassured wall street nothing will change, over a serial sexual harasser, accused rapist/pedophile, somebody who takes bribes for political appointments and allegedly enjoys golden showers.

[Turbineguy]

64. Nor does trump.

[Joe941]

66. Bernie is striking the correct tone and showing good leadership.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

104. You know it Joe... Bernie's a true leader if there ever was one!! Strike up the band...

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[seaglass]

67. We prefer to dine on lobster sliders and stay at five star hotels. n/t

[nini]

69. I wonder how many of his supporters have mulitple homes too

like he does. He's making points about wealth so it's a valid point.

Mr Purity isn't so pure himself.

[whathehell]

129. Oh, tons and tons of us, I'm sure!

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He's pushing 80, and the joint incomes of he and his wife recently alliowed them to acquire two homes -- Get real.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

137. I had 8 homes at one point... the last time I played Monopoly!! As an evil landlord...

I even owned Boardwalk!! I got wiped out though, so I'm back to supporting Bernie... my dream though is to own a wine cave!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

[whathehell]

139. 'My dream, though, is to own a wine cave"

Absolutely!

[Happy Hoosier]

70. Bernie prefers lakeside vacation homes. NT

[whathehell]

131. Riiight..Except at near 80, the "preference" was just recently realized

Meanwhile, Biden prefers telling Wall St that "nothing much will change".

[ehrnst]

78. But hosting at retreats for high $$$ donors on Martha's Vineyard is AOK

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In recent years, Sanders has been billed as one of the hosts for the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee's retreats for the "Majority Trust" -- an elite group of top donors who give more than $30,000 per year -- at Martha's Vineyard in the summer and Palm Beach, Florida, in the winter. CNN has obtained invitations that listed Sanders as a host for at least one Majority Trust event in each year since 2011.

The retreats are typically attended by 100 or more donors who have either contributed the annual legal maximum of $33,400 to the DSCC, raised more than $100,000 for the party or both.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/02/05/politics/sanders-democratic-fundraisers/index.html

“The truth is there are many people in this country who have money but also believe in social justice,” he said."

https://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/10/15/bernie-sanders-has-fund-raiser-at-fancy-hollywood-home/

[NurseJackie]

99. WOW! Say it ain't so!

[ehrnst]

101. But wait - there's more...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=392764

[NurseJackie]

109. For the record... I cannot vote for any candidate who's a hypocrite or who thinks that he (or she)...

For the record... I cannot vote for any candidate who's a hypocrite or who thinks that he (or she) can get away with gaslighting or ignoring the facts.

I have higher standards, and I'm not a gullible fan-girl when it comes to the candidate/s that I support. I truly believe that those voters who fall into the trap of the cult-of-personality type politics are often woefully uninformed, or ill-informed, or under-informed (or maybe they just lack the motivation to read a little and dig deeper to find the truth) because the truth, the real and unvarnished truth, isn't always what the candidate/s claim.

Knowledge is power.

[ehrnst]

113. Indeed.

[betsuni]

119. "The truth is there are many people in this country who have money but also believe in social

justice."

Thanks! That is very different from the usual.

[snowybirdie]

81. Bernie is becoming very tiresome

Should let this go and move on.

[ehrnst]

82. Holding a high $$$ private fundraiser at a millionaire's home doesn't count because "cave'?

Mr. Sanders was cheered at a fancy campaign fund-raiser at the Hollywood home of Syd Leibovitch, a high-end real estate agent, and his wife, Linda, on Wednesday night.

Tickets for the event sold for a minimum of $250. Those who spent the maximum, $2,700, or who raised $10,000, were invited to a “pre-event reception,” according to the invitation.

The 14 co-hosts included Cindy Asner, the former wife of the actor Ed Asner, the actress Mimi Kennedy, and Benjamin W. Decker, whose website notes that he was once called the “legendary Hollywood P.R. maven” by Forbes magazine, and used to produce “celebrity-driven red-carpet movie premieres.

The fund-raiser at the Leibovitch home was the type of event that most politicians typically hold. According to a pool report, guests dressed in blazers, jeans and cocktail dresses were treated to valet parking, and aides estimated about $150,000 would be raised from roughly 300 people there. It was the ninth such event of his campaign, his aides said, according to the pool report.

https://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/10/15/bernie-sanders-has-fund-raiser-at-fancy-hollywood-home/

Syd Liebovitch's net worth was $400 million dollars in 2015.

[Scurrilous]

86. Good catch.

"Sanders campaigned in L.A. one day after the Democratic candidates held their first debate. He told the crowd he had raised $2 million during the debate, and emphasized that his campaign is fueled by small donations.

“This is not a meeting around some rich person's dining room or living room, where people are putting in $100,000 into a Super PAC,” he said. “This is a people's meeting. … What we are showing is we can run a people-oriented campaign, funded by people.”

Afterward, Sanders did attend a more exclusive fundraiser at the Beverly Hills home of Syd and Linda Leibovitch, owners of Rodeo Realty. The minimum contribution was $250. According to a pool report, Sanders joked about appearing at a “proletariat” home.

“The truth is there are many people in this country who have money but also believe in social justice,” he said."

https://www.laweekly.com/bernie-sanders-74-draws-a-youthful-crowd-in-hollywood-with-a-message-of-revolution/


The last line exposes the blatant hypocrisy of his attack on Buttigieg's fundraiser.

[Cha]

118. I'll take Wine Cave over this $$$$$

Any Day!

Thank you, ehrnst for shining the light!

[aikoaiko]

111. Thank you, Bernie.

Thank you for pissing off all the right people.

[ehrnst]

114. He is certainly careful not to "piss off" big $$$ donors Hollywood and Martha's Vineyard

Mr. Sanders was cheered at a fancy campaign fund-raiser at the Hollywood home of Syd Leibovitch, a high-end real estate agent, and his wife, Linda, on Wednesday night.

Tickets for the event sold for a minimum of $250. Those who spent the maximum, $2,700, or who raised $10,000, were invited to a “pre-event reception,” according to the invitation.

The 14 co-hosts included Cindy Asner, the former wife of the actor Ed Asner, the actress Mimi Kennedy, and Benjamin W. Decker, whose website notes that he was once called the “legendary Hollywood P.R. maven” by Forbes magazine, and used to produce “celebrity-driven red-carpet movie premieres.

The fund-raiser at the Leibovitch home was the type of event that most politicians typically hold. According to a pool report, guests dressed in blazers, jeans and cocktail dresses were treated to valet parking, and aides estimated about $150,000 would be raised from roughly 300 people there. It was the ninth such event of his campaign, his aides said, according to the pool report.
.................................
“The truth is there are many people in this country who have money but also believe in social justice,” he said.

https://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/10/15/bernie-sanders-has-fund-raiser-at-fancy-hollywood-home/

Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee's retreats for the "Majority Trust" -- an elite group of top donors who give more than $30,000 per year -- at Martha's Vineyard in the summer and Palm Beach, Florida, in the winter. CNN has obtained invitations that listed Sanders as a host for at least one Majority Trust event in each year since 2011.

The retreats are typically attended by 100 or more donors who have either contributed the annual legal maximum of $33,400 to the DSCC, raised more than $100,000 for the party or both.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/02/05/politics/sanders-democratic-fundraisers/index.html


https://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/07/11/sanders-courts-marthas-vineyard-donors/

[Cha]

117. Omg.. "The truth is there are many people in this country who have money but also believe in social.

justice".!

Oh is that the "truth", BS.. well.. Does not that apply to Mayor Buttigieg?

Thank you, ehrnst!

[betsuni]

120. +1

[Hassin Bin Sober]

115. Lol. Yep.

[betsuni]

121. Democrats.

[aikoaiko]

123. I'm a Democrat and he doesn't piss me off.

I welcome Bernie's participation in the nomination process.

[betsuni]

125. He says elected Democrats are corrupt establishment elites the same as Republicans.

That makes anyone who votes for them either stupid or wanting Republican policies. Which doesn't even make sense. If Democratic voters are rich coastal elites who only care about money, they'd vote Republican. The insults are an "us" (not Democrats) vs "them" (Democrats). Then he can step in as the only non-Democrat non-Republican who isn't corrupt or elite and will work for the American people.

He doesn't know who the base of the Democratic Party is. People have spend their lives trying to prevent Republicans from turning America into a Banana Republic and he insults them.

[aikoaiko]

127. His comments and criticisms resonate with some Democrats.

Some Democrats are not afraid of self reflection and making changes.

[betsuni]

130. Here are some of his "criticisms" and they are not correct:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=393125

[aikoaiko]

136. Like I said, Bernie's comments and criticisms resonate with some Democrats.

You can like it or not.

[betsuni]

138. No, not Democrats.

You can like or not.

[aikoaiko]

140. And there you are inaccurate.

You don’t get to say who is a Democrat in any meaningful way. You can have your declarations on DU.

As a lifelong Democrat, I assure you that some of the things Bernie says, maybe not all, matters to other lifelong Democrats like me.

[ehrnst]

141. Straw man. No one claimed that for anyone el

But since you brought it up... if a politician says for all the decades of their career that they are NOT a Democrat...then yes, one can say that's a meaningful metric that they are not one.

Democrats - capitol D - refers to a specific political party, and a specific platform. It's not a "philosophy." Words have meanings.

Independents, especially longtime career politicians who have never, ever served as a Democrat, and having trashed the Democratic party multiple times during that long career are not "Democrats" by any metric.

No matter that they periodically declare as one to access the $$$ and the infrastructure earned and built by Democrats for their own political ambitions.

Someone who sleeps on your couch when they are in town in business does not reside at your address, is not a member of your household, and can't be included on the census as such, no matter how much you really, really think of them as family.

[aikoaiko]

142. Funny thing about the Census.

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If a business friend staying on the couch on April 1, 2020 is planning on possibly staying there if he gets a job and no place to go, they would be counted.

I like to think of Bernie as staying a Democrat if he is elected to POTUS.

He counts.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

143. You must not be aware of the fact Bernie is a member of the Senate Democratic Leadership

Best with sound on:

Link to tweet

[samnsara]

135. geez i dont give a flying fuck where anyone has a fund raiser.. just beat trump!

...how much $ can he raise having it at McDonalds?