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Gee, I dunno ... could the answer actually be RIGHT IN FRONT OF OUR EYES? mr_lebowski Mar 2019 #1
"Even if it's not...(ridiculous)" shanny Mar 2019 #4
I didn't say it was ridiculous ... mr_lebowski Mar 2019 #5
Beto surrogate piling on in the article Celerity Mar 2019 #2
LOL,"publicly supported" isn't hired. ucrdem Mar 2019 #13
+1 dalton99a Mar 2019 #16
That's probably why "surrogate" and "supporter" was used instead of staff. aikoaiko Mar 2019 #20
That's disturbing , if true shanny Mar 2019 #3
I'm really not so sure of that ... mr_lebowski Mar 2019 #7
I did say, "if true." shanny Mar 2019 #17
I find the use of the term "hit piece" interesting. I think that her decision to not investigate Autumn Mar 2019 #18
I'm not sure you understood my original point. mr_lebowski Mar 2019 #22
I didn't misunderstand your point at all. You post here makes the point very nicely why Autumn Mar 2019 #23
I'll bite bigtree Mar 2019 #26
Here we go. RandySF Mar 2019 #6
Right? (nt) mr_lebowski Mar 2019 #8
Exactly. betsuni Mar 2019 #10
"Big Supplement" --- LOL! NurseJackie Mar 2019 #24
This article states an individual Herbalife lobbyist made three underthematrix Mar 2019 #9
It says an individual whose ex-husband's firm worked for herbalife Orangepeel Mar 2019 #15
Instead of broadsiding Democrats RandySF Mar 2019 #11
Frankly, I don't care who it is, best these issues come out now Thekaspervote Mar 2019 #12
The facts as presented in Yahoo news are not compelling. ucrdem Mar 2019 #14
If this is how far they have to stretch..... NT WeekiWater Mar 2019 #19
Meh ... another hit piece against one of the front-runners. BlueFlorida Mar 2019 #21
Every time a Democrat is attacked Trump gets wood. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2019 #25
"Bought and paid for"? brooklynite Mar 2019 #27
 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
1. Gee, I dunno ... could the answer actually be RIGHT IN FRONT OF OUR EYES?
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 01:20 AM
Mar 2019

"even though the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) had already begun investigating the company in conjunction with the attorneys general of Illinois and New York"

Naw ... impossible ...

Srsly this is a highly questionable article.

Even if it's not she should just ridicule it, call it Fake News, and threaten to sue.

Everyone will forget in 2 days anyway.

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shanny

(6,709 posts)
4. "Even if it's not...(ridiculous)"
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 01:34 AM
Mar 2019

Interesting sentiment.

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mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
5. I didn't say it was ridiculous ...
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 01:40 AM
Mar 2019

Trump gets away with everything, so our side might as well just act like him from now on. Seems to be working out great for him.

You follow now?

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Celerity

(43,286 posts)
2. Beto surrogate piling on in the article
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 01:29 AM
Mar 2019
“It’s disgusting,” says Julie Contreras, a Chicago-based activist whose “Afuera con Herbalife” campaign sharply criticized the company for preying on Latino communities. Contreras says that her Spanish-language nickname for Harris is “Que Mala,” a play on “Kamala” that translates to “how bad.”

“Kamala Harris did a huge injustice” in declining to investigate the Los Angeles-based company, says Contreras, who has publicly supported Beto O’Rourke’s campaign.
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ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
13. LOL,"publicly supported" isn't hired.
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 03:31 AM
Mar 2019

Sarota is hired. Just to take a completely random example.

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aikoaiko

(34,165 posts)
20. That's probably why "surrogate" and "supporter" was used instead of staff.
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 09:38 AM
Mar 2019


But the example in the article is how surrogates work in our political system.
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shanny

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3. That's disturbing , if true
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 01:31 AM
Mar 2019

( I don't know anything about yahoo news).

But I will say that it brings to mind another incident where she could have filed suit and did not: foreclosure irregularities involving Steve Mnuchin and OneWest Bank. Her office had many complaints, could have found many more (according to investigators there), and took no action. All she ever said was they decided not to pursue it (which is not an answer imo).

All I know is having a candidate Wall St and/or the business community fears is one of my requirements, and I don't think she's it.

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mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
7. I'm really not so sure of that ...
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 01:55 AM
Mar 2019

What would be disturbing is if there was some shred of evidence that Harris purposefully failed to authorize the request for resources because she KNEW she'd get money from people associated with the company in exchange.

What THIS IS ... is a hit piece. Based on virtually nothing tangible.

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shanny

(6,709 posts)
17. I did say, "if true."
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 09:13 AM
Mar 2019

My concerns remain, however, for the other reason I cited.

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Autumn

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18. I find the use of the term "hit piece" interesting. I think that her decision to not investigate
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 09:23 AM
Mar 2019

Herbalife are very much open to discussion. If the connections to someone in her life had any bearing on her decision not to investigate after being asked by state prosecutors while the (FTC) had already begun investigating the company along with the attorneys general of Illinois and New York and she received campaign donations after her decision not to investigate that's a big deal.

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mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
22. I'm not sure you understood my original point.
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 09:49 AM
Mar 2019

"while the (FTC) had already begun investigating the company along with the attorneys general of Illinois and New York"

That is, in and of itself, a very reasonable explanation for why she might decide to not take up a California-based investigation of the company as well. The Feds, and two other large-state AG's are already on the case.

How much were these campaign contributions, BTW, I didn't read the whole article?

I'm also just getting very wary of innuendo against Democrats based on flimsy evidence that could absolutely have totally different, and innocuous explanations.

And I hate to say but, even if she DID do what's suggested? I really don't care THAT much honestly. This is 99% how the political system works these days.

The Feds were already on the case, and ended up fining them $200M and made them change their practices, so ... in the end ... unless there's PROOF there was a conversation 'hey, don't commit CA resources to this investigation and we'll cut you a $50k (or whatever) check?' ... I don't care to speculate against one of top Democratic politicians and a CA Senator ... based purely on 'a given order of events looking potentially sketchy'.

Our opponents are a criminal gang at this point. You think every Republican currently holding office wouldn't act the same? Hell yeah they would. You think any of them are ever getting in trouble for acting like this? Hell no.

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Autumn

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23. I didn't misunderstand your point at all. You post here makes the point very nicely why
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 09:57 AM
Mar 2019

it's something that should be discussed. I don't aspire to belong to a party or vote for any person that is part of, or behaves like a criminal gang like the Republicans. I don't want to have to support any politician who skirts the law, no matter how small a skirt it is. YMMV. Discussing a politicians actions is vetting, not a bad thing at all.

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bigtree

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26. I'll bite
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 10:16 AM
Mar 2019

...maybe someone can explain to me why this hit piece is extremely prominent on right-wing sites and posted almost exclusively on twitter by right-wing oriented handles?

The origin for this smear is from the right, undeniably (playing off of one of her campaign opponent, Loretta Sanchez's old smear). Btw, it's also a hit at JPR, so, cheers.


So, Podesta's ex-wife donated to her campaign and that was supposed to have influenced a decision to not prosecute? How fucking inane. That's the quid pro quo? In what fucking universe is this credible?

Can you not see that PODESTA's name is being used here to elicit a response from the mindless rabble on the right?

Not surprised to see this come here, so much bot nonsense and right-wing propaganda let in under the pretext of 'discussion.' Stop taking the bait.

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betsuni

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10. Exactly.
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 02:20 AM
Mar 2019

But ... being Beholden to Big Supplement just doesn't seem as scary as Wall Street or the fossil fuel industry or similar.

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NurseJackie

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24. "Big Supplement" --- LOL!
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 10:00 AM
Mar 2019
being Beholden to Big Supplement
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underthematrix

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9. This article states an individual Herbalife lobbyist made three
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 02:06 AM
Mar 2019

donations to the Harris' senate campaign and sometime thereafter Harris then AG did not provide resources to San Diego to conduct an investigation of Herbalife. In the meantime, the FTC obtained a $200 million settlement from Herbalife.

Maybe future articles will provide more granular detail. Right now, this seems like an attempt to manipulate people's emotions and elicit an outrage response. With a thug like Donald in the WH that's gonna be a very heavy lift.

Harris is not one of my top three presidential candidates even though I love her as my senator.




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Orangepeel

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15. It says an individual whose ex-husband's firm worked for herbalife
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 08:05 AM
Mar 2019

Candidates should be vetted, and if there is anything real to this story, let it come out. The accusation as written here Is unconvincing.

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RandySF

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11. Instead of broadsiding Democrats
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 02:51 AM
Mar 2019

why don’t you find someone you actually like?

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Thekaspervote

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12. Frankly, I don't care who it is, best these issues come out now
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 03:13 AM
Mar 2019
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ucrdem

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14. The facts as presented in Yahoo news are not compelling.
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 03:32 AM
Mar 2019

Yahoo news is not compelling either

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WeekiWater

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19. If this is how far they have to stretch..... NT
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 09:35 AM
Mar 2019
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BlueFlorida

(1,532 posts)
21. Meh ... another hit piece against one of the front-runners.
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 09:46 AM
Mar 2019

Collecting three entirely independent unconnected events and putting them together in a cause-effect-accusation logic.

This smear started on a RW site Free Beacon.

https://freebeacon.com/politics/kamala-harris-accused-of-letting-company-exploiting-latinos-off-the-hook/

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DemocratSinceBirth

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25. Every time a Democrat is attacked Trump gets wood.
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 10:05 AM
Mar 2019

And that's quite a feat for an obese septuagenarian with calcified arteries.

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brooklynite

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27. "Bought and paid for"?
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 10:20 AM
Mar 2019

A grand total of $5,200? I didn't know Senators could be bought that cheaply...

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