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Tue Mar 26, 2019, 04:36 PM

 

Sam Seder: 2012 Beto Has Some HORRIBLE Ideas For Social Security

Anybody know if Beto has evolved on this issue? I hope so because I like him.
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Reply Sam Seder: 2012 Beto Has Some HORRIBLE Ideas For Social Security (Original post)
Power 2 the People Mar 2019 OP
Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #1
crazytown Mar 2019 #2
Power 2 the People Mar 2019 #3
crazytown Mar 2019 #5
Power 2 the People Mar 2019 #8
crazytown Mar 2019 #10
Power 2 the People Mar 2019 #11
Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2019 #6
crazytown Mar 2019 #7
Celerity Mar 2019 #39
InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #40
crazytown Mar 2019 #56
Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2019 #4
Power 2 the People Mar 2019 #9
Hassler Mar 2019 #12
Power 2 the People Mar 2019 #14
InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #41
George II Mar 2019 #13
Power 2 the People Mar 2019 #15
George II Mar 2019 #18
melman Mar 2019 #26
George II Mar 2019 #27
Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2019 #31
InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #44
MyNameGoesHere Mar 2019 #57
aikoaiko Mar 2019 #37
George II Mar 2019 #38
Buzz Lightyear Mar 2019 #16
Power 2 the People Mar 2019 #17
George II Mar 2019 #20
Power 2 the People Mar 2019 #21
George II Mar 2019 #22
sheshe2 Mar 2019 #23
Power 2 the People Mar 2019 #24
George II Mar 2019 #25
Power 2 the People Mar 2019 #28
George II Mar 2019 #29
Power 2 the People Mar 2019 #33
George II Mar 2019 #36
Power 2 the People Mar 2019 #42
Power 2 the People Mar 2019 #43
George II Mar 2019 #45
Power 2 the People Mar 2019 #47
George II Mar 2019 #49
Power 2 the People Mar 2019 #50
melman Mar 2019 #30
George II Mar 2019 #32
Power 2 the People Mar 2019 #34
George II Mar 2019 #35
lapucelle Mar 2019 #52
lapucelle Mar 2019 #46
Power 2 the People Mar 2019 #48
lapucelle Mar 2019 #51
Power 2 the People Mar 2019 #53
lapucelle Mar 2019 #54
Gothmog Mar 2019 #19
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Amimnoch Mar 2019 #58
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Response to Power 2 the People (Original post)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 04:47 PM

1. Kicked and recommended.

 

Thanks for the thread Power 2 the People.
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Response to Power 2 the People (Original post)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 04:53 PM

2. We know what Beto said in 2012 about Social Security

 

Itís been reposted as many times as Bernieís statements on tax returns.
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Response to crazytown (Reply #2)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 04:56 PM

3. Respectfully,I had never heard it prior to seeing this video.

 

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Response to Power 2 the People (Reply #3)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 05:02 PM

5. OK. Well It's worth knowing.

 

Iím sick to death of the tax returns stuff. I wish Bernie would release them and get it over with. I donít care if heís in the top 1%. FDR was loaded.
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Response to crazytown (Reply #5)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 05:54 PM

8. I agree 100%. It's ridiculous that he won't release them.

 

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Response to Power 2 the People (Reply #8)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 05:58 PM

10. I have no doubt he will release them.

 

I would prefer to debate policy and prospects without endless questions about tax returns thatís all.
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Response to crazytown (Reply #10)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 06:00 PM

11. Agree.It's such a stupid thing to leave hanging out there for no reason.

 

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Response to crazytown (Reply #2)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 05:28 PM

6. Has he changed his stance?

 

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #6)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 05:40 PM

7. It's ... fuzzy :)

 

In 2018 Beto was up against Cruz who called Social Security a Ponzi Scheme, so He didnít need to say too much. Beto is like a low resolution photo. The more you zoom in, the blurrier it gets.
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Response to crazytown (Reply #7)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 08:18 PM

39. +1

 

I also think there is close zero chance he can deliver Texas. He lost to an incredibly weak (for a Texas Rethug) candidate in a Dem blue wave election.

That state needs a decade or more of demographic change to go purple.
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Response to crazytown (Reply #2)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 08:18 PM

40. Hardly... not even close!!

 


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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #40)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 10:57 PM

56. Now would I exaggerate?

 

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Response to Power 2 the People (Original post)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 04:57 PM

4. Somehow I don't think his kids will be relying on Social Security.

 

Heís worth $9 million and his father in law is worth $500 million.

A republican PAC spent $250,000 dollars in attack ads against his 8 Term DEMOCRATIC incumbent opponent during the primary.
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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #4)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 05:56 PM

9. Good point Hassin.

 

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Response to Power 2 the People (Original post)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 06:08 PM

12. More effective to make the case for your candidate than to criticize someone you may need to vote fo

 

In 2020
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Response to Hassler (Reply #12)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 06:20 PM

14. I agree.That's why I don't criticize any of our candidates.Examining their positions on the issues

 

is not criticizing.If Beto still feels this way about Social Security he doesn't have my vote. If his position has evolved I'd sure like to know what it currently is.
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Response to Hassler (Reply #12)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 08:20 PM

41. What happened to vetting... or does that only apply to Bernie?!

 


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Response to Power 2 the People (Original post)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 06:17 PM

13. Why are all these anti-Beto OPs showing up recently? Any connection to getting $6.1M in 24 hours?

 

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Response to George II (Reply #13)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 06:22 PM

15. Nobody is anti-Beto George II.

 

Is this still his position on Social Security?
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Response to Power 2 the People (Reply #15)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 06:38 PM

18. Really, under the title "2012 Beto Has Some HORRIBLE Ideas For Social Security"?

 

Remember, 2012 was 7 years ago. He has articulated his current position on SS several times, Sam Seder should have done his homework before putting out that video. It took me only 15 seconds to find that O`Rourke scores 100% Alliance for Retired Americans in their latest "scorecard".

I hope people aren't going to hold politicians to things they said many years ago in the heat of a campaign, or not in a campaign..
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Response to George II (Reply #18)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 07:07 PM

26. "He has articulated his current position on SS several times"

 

Then why can't you say what it is?
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Response to melman (Reply #26)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 07:09 PM

27. Why do you ask?

 

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Response to melman (Reply #26)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 07:32 PM

31. I'd be curious to know how, when and why he changed his mind.

 

He hammered the 8 term Democratic incumbent opponent pretty hard with that social security issue. Why the change of heart?
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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #31)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 08:23 PM

44. I'm sure Beto has "evolved" on this issue also, seeing how it's starting to get vetted.

 


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Response to Power 2 the People (Reply #15)

Wed Mar 27, 2019, 05:58 AM

57. That's a good one!

 

Laughably unbelievable, but a good one.
I like jokes too.
I will release my tax returns. Hahaha. That punch line almost makes me pee my pants.
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Response to George II (Reply #13)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 08:06 PM

37. Suddenly opposed to vetting, eh?

 



People have gone way further back to vet other candidates.

I think its a fair question to see if he still believes raising the age to receive SS and if he still believes in a relationship between SS and national debt.

Hopefully he has evolved.
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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #37)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 08:17 PM

38. No, not at all. But presenting information that isn't current OR 100% accurate is not "vetting".

 

Sam Seder did both.
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Response to Power 2 the People (Original post)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 06:27 PM

16. Sam Seder is a Bernie Sanders supporter

 

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Response to Buzz Lightyear (Reply #16)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 06:31 PM

17. Has nothing to do with Beto's position on Social Security.

 

Does anybody know if Beto still believes that Social Security should be means-tested and eligibility age should rise to 70?
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Response to Power 2 the People (Reply #17)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 06:39 PM

20. Instead of asking people here what his position is.....

 

....why not ask his campaign or do a little looking around?
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Response to George II (Reply #20)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 06:42 PM

21. I am asking around. I guess you'd be the person to ask since Beto is your chosen candidate

 

What's the answer George?
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Response to Power 2 the People (Reply #21)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 06:43 PM

22. He has a 100% score from the Alliance for Retired Americans.

 

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Response to George II (Reply #22)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 06:48 PM

23. bingo!

 

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Response to George II (Reply #22)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 06:56 PM

24. OK. So you don't know the answer either. I'll reach out to Beto's campaign tomorrow and fill you in.

 

Beto's lifetime score with the ARA is 96%.That's encouraging.
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Response to Power 2 the People (Reply #24)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 06:59 PM

25. On the ARA site they get into how they establish their ratings. Position on SS is a big part of it.

 

His current rating is 100%, an indication of his current position on SS. They don't arrive at their ratings lightly.
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Response to George II (Reply #25)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 07:10 PM

28. I know that.That's why I support Bernie Sanders.He is rated 100% lifetime from the ARA.

 

Like you said,they don't arrive at their ratings lightly.

I'll let you know what I find out from Beto's campaign. Means testing and raising the retirement age to 70 would be disqualifying for a Democratic candidate. I'm sure he's evolved on the issue. I'll be in touch!
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Response to Power 2 the People (Reply #28)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 07:16 PM

29. I would have looked into his current position before I posted an old video of O'Rourke....

 

....under the negative heading "Sam Seder: 2012 Beto Has Some HORRIBLE Ideas For Social Security", but that's just me.

Good luck with your search.
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Response to George II (Reply #29)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 07:51 PM

33. That's the title of the video George. I posted it to see if anyone knew if it was still his position

 

Odd that you're so sensitive about an honest examination of this candidate's positions. As a Sanders supporter I have seen you in every Bernie Sanders thread,mostly as the OP, critiquing every aspect of Bernie's personal and political life. Any story, whether it be real or imagined was fair game. That's your right. Now all of a sudden it is only prudent to research,fact check and call the candidate's campaign before posting anything from a credible,respected Democratic source like Sam Seder.

I'll do as you asked and contact Beto's campaign.I sure wish you would have known your candidate's position on something as important as means-testing Social Security and raising the retirement age rather than just wanting to argue with me. It would have saved me a lot of time. But I'll do it out of respect for Beto and DU.

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Response to Power 2 the People (Reply #33)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 08:04 PM

36. I know his position. On the other hand, I surely wouldn't post an old video critical...

 

....of one who was not my candidate unless I knew it were true or not. And if not, I certainly wouldn't have posted it at all.

I also might have looked into who Sam Seder, his allegiances, is AND the date the he posted that 7-year old video. That's irresponsible "journalism" on his part since O'Rourke's position is completely different from what Seder is implying.
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Response to George II (Reply #36)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 08:20 PM

42. Sam Seder posted the video yesterday and clearly said Beto's speech was from 2012.

 

How is it irresponsible journalism when there has been nothing official from the O'Rourke campaign saying that his position has changed?

Even Beto's official YouTube channel still has a video espousing these same views. If Beto's position has changed he should remove this video and post an update. You shouldn't be disparaging Sam Seder because he reported Beto's last known official position on this issue. That's unfair.

Beto's district in El Paso is deep,deep blue. It has only been won by a Republican once since 1902. There's no reason Beto would have held this position unless he truly believed it. Don't get me wrong, if he still believes it, it's his prerogative and he should be able to hold any views he wants. If he has a persuasive case to make that would change my mind,I'm all ears.

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Response to George II (Reply #36)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 08:22 PM

43. I'm going to hold you to that standard next time a Bernie hit piece is posted.

 

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Response to Power 2 the People (Reply #43)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 08:26 PM

45. Ah, so that's it! In that case, since you posted O'Rourke's position on an "issue" from when....

 

....he was in his 30s, would you feel equally comfortable seeing Sanders' positions from when he was in his 30s?

I don't think you would.
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Response to George II (Reply #45)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 08:37 PM

47. No no no no

 

I'm just quoting a very wise man named George II who said the following:

I know his position. On the other hand, I surely wouldn't post an old video critical...of one who was not my candidate unless I knew it were true or not. And if not, I certainly wouldn't have posted it at all.

I'm just hoping that going forward we ALL can live up to the high standards of fairness,prudence and objectivity described in your words.
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Response to Power 2 the People (Reply #47)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 08:39 PM

49. I hope so too. You certainly don't have to worry about me, I've always done so in the past.

 

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Response to George II (Reply #49)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 08:42 PM

50. LOL.OK.

 

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Response to George II (Reply #25)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 07:23 PM

30. That 100% rating is not current

 

It's from 2014 as I'm sure you know. Isn't that kind of a long time ago?

I mean, if 2012 is ancient history then 2014 isn't really all that recent either...don't you think?
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Response to melman (Reply #30)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 07:35 PM

32. Oh melman.....................

 

https://retiredamericans.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Texas_v2.pdf
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Response to George II (Reply #32)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 07:54 PM

34. That's from 2017. 2018's ratings should be out soon.

 

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Response to Power 2 the People (Reply #34)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 07:55 PM

35. The 2017 ratings were released in May 2018. Probably a couple of months.

 

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Response to George II (Reply #35)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 09:13 PM

52. But Sam Seder says...

 

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Response to George II (Reply #22)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 08:32 PM

46. The ARA endorsed Beto in the senate race. N/T

 

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #46)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 08:38 PM

48. Over Ted Cruz????????????? What a shocker!!

 

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Response to Power 2 the People (Reply #48)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 09:10 PM

51. Sam Seder (among others) is concerned notwithstanding a 100% rating, an endorsement, and the record.

 

Today I became an original co-sponsor of the Social Security 2100 Act. This bill will:

- Cuts taxes for seniors by raising the threshold on taxation of benefits

- Protects against inflation for cost of living adjustments (COLA) by adopting the CPI-E formula.

- Ensures the Social Security Trust Fund remains solvent for more than 75 year by raising threshold on taxation of benefits.


https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1902/cosponsors

https://www.facebook.com/BetoORourkeTX16/posts/today-i-became-an-original-co-sponsor-of-the-social-security-2100-act-this-bill-/1450348378364344/

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #51)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 09:18 PM

53. I should hope he co-sponsored it since every Democratic member of the House co-sponsored it.

 

Way to go Beto and all of our Democratic House members in your efforts to strengthen Social Security.
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Response to Power 2 the People (Reply #53)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 09:33 PM

54. Bravo indeed, Beto. Poor Sam Seder...

 

...I wonder why he's so concerned about a 7 year old cherry-picked quote.

Weren't there more than 175 Democrats in the House in the 115th Congress?





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Response to Power 2 the People (Original post)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 06:38 PM

19. Beto put Texas into play and could have won in a presidential year

 

Romney won Texas by 16%. Trump won by 9%. Beto lost to Carnival Cruz by 2.6%. If Texas is put into play, trump cannot win

These stats are interesting



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Response to Gothmog (Reply #19)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 09:52 PM

55. More than 400K who voted for Gov Greg Abbott

 

voted for Beto over Cruz. That's some serious crossover appeal. He got hundreds of thousands of newly registered voters too. Now he'll get more.

I don't think he is perfect but I do think he can learn. Even Obama admitted to evolving on issues.
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Response to Power 2 the People (Original post)

Wed Mar 27, 2019, 06:49 AM

58. And did you see the HR bill that he wrote to introduce to raise the age!!??

 

You know, in the 6 years he was actually a representative after giving that thought.

Oh, that's right, he never wrote, sponsored, or co-sponsored any such bill.

There is this much more recent video, from only 2 years ago where he only discusses increasing benefits to meet more accurate cost of living measurements (using the consumer price index) than is currently used:

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=934914503224927

He is on the record as being against privatization.

He has been rated 100% by the ARA. A politician doesn't get that rating by being for raising the age or reducing benefits.

He is a co-sponsor of H.R. 1902 - The Social Security 2100 Act. -

https://projects.propublica.org/represent/bills/115/hr1902
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1902

This bill would:
-use the consumer price index for determining increases (mentioned above)
- Across the board benefit increase.
- Increases the benefit for lifetime low wage earners based on years in the workforce.
- Increase the threshold amount and rate for inclusion of social security benefits in income.
- Holds SSI, Medicaid, and CHIP beneficiaries harmless

Just to name some of the top ones.


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Response to Power 2 the People (Original post)

Wed Mar 27, 2019, 09:11 AM

59. I actually think raising the retirement age is not a bad idea...

 

...we're living longer so it makes sense. Now, it shouldn't be a blanket, cookie cutter deal for everyone. But, if you're like me and will probably never actually "retire", I think 70 is reasonable.
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