Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

aidbo

(2,328 posts)
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 12:05 PM Jan 2020

Stop saying Biden is the 'most electable'. Trump will run rings round him

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/04/joe-biden-electable-trump-2020-election

There’s just one problem: it’s a myth. It is a myth just as it was a myth that Hillary Clinton was a good candidate against Trump. Biden is not, in fact, the pragmatic choice. He would not beat Trump. He would lose. And we must say this over and over again. Forget his flubs. Forget his finger-nibbling. Biden would be crushed by Trump. If you want Trump out of office, don’t support Biden.
...
Left-leaning journalists and pundits love to “fact-check” Trump, as if proving that he has lied is in itself persuasive. But 2016 should have showed us how powerless “debunking” is next to “optics”. If you have a Democratic candidate who looks really corrupt, it doesn’t matter if they’re not. People don’t trust the press and they don’t trust politicians.
Imagine Biden running against Trump. Trump will run ads like this over and over. Good luck responding. Remember that time you have to spend defending yourself against Trump’s accusations is time not spent talking about issues that affect people’s lives. And Biden has already shown little interest in drawing people’s attention to the areas where Democrats should run strong against Trump, such as healthcare, taxation, working conditions and the climate crisis.
...
If there are Biden supporters in your life, you need to have serious conversations with them. Do not dwell on things that do not matter to them, like Biden’s record on bussing, or his latest nonsensical comment. Instead, keep the focus on the main argument that is sustaining his campaign: the idea that he is the best candidate to beat Trump. He isn’t. His electability is a myth, and when we look honestly at the facts we can see that Biden is actually a dangerously poor candidate to run.


Much more at the link.
Yes it is opinion.
Yes, Nathan J Robinson is the editor of the magazine “Current Affairs”.
Yes he has employed some Sanders supporters, and is likely a Sanders supporter himself.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
11 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Stop saying Biden is the 'most electable'. Trump will run rings round him (Original Post) aidbo Jan 2020 OP
i dont agree samnsara Jan 2020 #1
That is truly an ignorant piece. TidalWave46 Jan 2020 #2
I see no real-world numbers to support this notion, and plenty that dispute it. LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #3
Is it still cannibalism when you eat yourself? dchill Jan 2020 #4
Basically: Ignore the reality in front of you but trust me. Drunken Irishman Jan 2020 #5
I chalk it off as just an opinion piece...nt at140 Jan 2020 #6
You know what they say about opinions. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2020 #7
The same man wrote this article, "Progressives, trust your gut: Elizabeth Warren is not one of us." Hoyt Jan 2020 #8
I had just added that to my comment. TidalWave46 Jan 2020 #11
Trump didn't run rings around anyone in 2016 in the debates Otto Lidenbrock Jan 2020 #9
dozens to hundreds of polling results say otherwise lapfog_1 Jan 2020 #10
 

TidalWave46

(2,061 posts)
2. That is truly an ignorant piece.
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 12:08 PM
Jan 2020

Mr. Robinson seems to have some problems keeping it together, emotionally.

This shit needs to go. It questions Bidens mental state. This is some info wars worthy shit.

"Nothing you can say about the former vice-president’s record, platform or mental state matters" From the article.

"Biden is not, in fact, the pragmatic choice. He would not beat Trump. He would lose. And we must say this over and over again." From the article.

Then the author goes all "Hunter Biden!!!"

Author is also a conspiracy theorist against progressives and the left.

Progressives, trust your gut: Elizabeth Warren is not one of us

From the author in the OP

He sounds like and unhinged right winger. Similar to how HA Goodman presented himself.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
3. I see no real-world numbers to support this notion, and plenty that dispute it.
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 12:09 PM
Jan 2020

This is wishful thinking from another self-described socialist.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

dchill

(38,462 posts)
4. Is it still cannibalism when you eat yourself?
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 12:09 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
5. Basically: Ignore the reality in front of you but trust me.
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 12:10 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

at140

(6,110 posts)
6. I chalk it off as just an opinion piece...nt
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 12:11 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,656 posts)
7. You know what they say about opinions.
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 12:13 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
8. The same man wrote this article, "Progressives, trust your gut: Elizabeth Warren is not one of us."
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 12:14 PM
Jan 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TidalWave46

(2,061 posts)
11. I had just added that to my comment.
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 12:17 PM
Jan 2020

I wonder if there is an HA Goodman Award out there.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Otto Lidenbrock

(581 posts)
9. Trump didn't run rings around anyone in 2016 in the debates
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 12:15 PM
Jan 2020

Not Hillary. Not his 16 GOP opponents.

Shouting, whining, insulting and being a bully was his MO and every debate he had he came out badly. It's just for his base they didn't care.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

lapfog_1

(29,194 posts)
10. dozens to hundreds of polling results say otherwise
Mon Jan 6, 2020, 12:16 PM
Jan 2020

and there isn't any data to support his assertion.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»Democratic Primaries»Stop saying Biden is the ...