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Sirota goes after former Obama spokesman Ben LaBolt (big mistake) (Original Post) Hankee Jan 2020 OP
Facts Are Fact Me. Jan 2020 #1
Facts are facts, but ""That doesn't suggest he could enact his agenda if elected." is an opinion. aikoaiko Jan 2020 #23
Yes, but an informed one Steven Maurer Jan 2020 #25
Granted he hasnt sponsored successful bills, but he has much success influencing legislation aikoaiko Jan 2020 #26
That's cherry picking Steven Maurer Jan 2020 #29
Leahy is actually the 'Amendment King,' if there is such a thing. And he's a Democrat. ehrnst Jan 2020 #39
Leahy has accomplishments. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #41
His priorities seem to be very different from Sanders. ehrnst Jan 2020 #42
Not nearly as much as Warren, who has a much, much shorter career as a politician. ehrnst Jan 2020 #38
Not When There's A Pattern To Back Up The Facts Me. Jan 2020 #28
The past is prologue. emmaverybo Jan 2020 #33
Fool me once.... ehrnst Jan 2020 #40
LOL. I can think of more, but I'll stop. emmaverybo Jan 2020 #44
Two of Sanders 3 achievements were to name post offices. Hortensis Jan 2020 #2
One post office was re-named for the Radical Republican/Know-Nothing Thaddeus Stevens. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #5
We are discussing the height of Bernie's legislative achievements here Hav Jan 2020 #11
I know, right? Someone must know the answer. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #12
Ouch!! Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #14
I just have to say... pfeiffer Jan 2020 #19
I'm hooked, too - April will make one year... Skya Rhen Jan 2020 #20
Really one year? That was quick LakeArenal Jan 2020 #30
Welcome to DU! TexasTowelie Jan 2020 #27
Ikr! It's only our country and Cha Jan 2020 #37
K&R! nt TexasTowelie Jan 2020 #3
That's mild compared to other Sirota attacks. George II Jan 2020 #4
Bernie was known as "The Amendment King" ritapria Jan 2020 #6
Ideological purity is easy if you never want to actually accomplish anything LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #8
I laughed out loud. LakeArenal Jan 2020 #31
Latching onto the work of others. Do we have any idea how many of those amendments.... George II Jan 2020 #9
I would leave the Amendment King part out. TidalWave46 Jan 2020 #17
Ben is right. n/t Tarheel_Dem Jan 2020 #7
I remember years ago PatSeg Jan 2020 #10
Kucinich was called the "amendment king" until Bernie took his crown NYMinute Jan 2020 #18
Oh ouch! PatSeg Jan 2020 #43
sirota.. jill stein pusher.. what does he know? Cha Jan 2020 #13
David Sirota is scum NYMinute Jan 2020 #16
Steve Leser Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2020 #21
david sirota.. Cha Jan 2020 #22
Done in by the beauty of AOC. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2020 #36
No. Cha Jan 2020 #46
Facts mean nothing to people supporting based on devotion and idolization NYMinute Jan 2020 #15
I see that Ben doesn't deny that he has a conflict of interest regarding health care initiatives. aikoaiko Jan 2020 #24
He's not running for president. Bernie is, so his legislative record matters. What other emmaverybo Jan 2020 #34
Thank you! Cha Jan 2020 #45
What are sanders' legislative accomplishments?? Gothmog Jan 2020 #32
And now healthcare lobbyists are dissing Bernie tiredtoo Jan 2020 #35
 

Me.

(35,454 posts)
1. Facts Are Fact
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 03:51 PM
Jan 2020

"That doesn't suggest he could enact his agenda if elected." And if I'm not mistaken, 2 of the bills signed into law were ones naming post offices.

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aikoaiko

(34,207 posts)
23. Facts are facts, but ""That doesn't suggest he could enact his agenda if elected." is an opinion.
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 05:40 PM
Jan 2020

is it not?
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Steven Maurer

(498 posts)
25. Yes, but an informed one
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 05:45 PM
Jan 2020

And one contradicted by absolutely no evidence.

Attacking the messenger, in fact, reinforces it. Because doing so doesn't persuade anyone other than people already strongly on their side.

The art of successful politics is persuasion.

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aikoaiko

(34,207 posts)
26. Granted he hasnt sponsored successful bills, but he has much success influencing legislation
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 05:49 PM
Jan 2020


https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/mar/24/bernie-sanders/bernie-sanders-was-roll-call-amendment-king-1995-2/

Bernie Sanders is often criticized for "pie-in-the-sky" proposals and impractical ideals, but his campaign argues the Vermont senator actually gets things done.

"Bernie Sanders passed more roll call amendments in a Republican Congress than any other member," according to a TV ad paid for by the Sanders campaign.

A version of this ad appears on Sanders’ YouTube channel, and Sanders has made this claim on Twitter and Facebook as well so we wondered if it was true.

The Sanders campaign didn’t get back to us, but we found that this carefully worded statement is accurate for his earlier years in Congress.
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Steven Maurer

(498 posts)
29. That's cherry picking
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 06:03 PM
Jan 2020

A "roll-call" amendment is just one type of amendment, usually one that adds some very small non-controversial item to a bill.

When you compare all amendments however, you find that Sanders is, to be generous, mediocre. Over his 25 years in Congress, Sanders has offered 90 successful amendments (21 by roll call votes, the leader). While the other senator from Vermont, Democrat Patrick Leahy, offered 226 successful amendments.

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
39. Leahy is actually the 'Amendment King,' if there is such a thing. And he's a Democrat.
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 09:19 PM
Jan 2020
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Demsrule86

(71,040 posts)
41. Leahy has accomplishments.
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 09:27 PM
Jan 2020
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
42. His priorities seem to be very different from Sanders.
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 09:30 PM
Jan 2020

Perhaps that's why he gets more done for his constituents.

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
38. Not nearly as much as Warren, who has a much, much shorter career as a politician.
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 09:17 PM
Jan 2020
And for Warren, that was never the point. She didn't run for office to sign onto a slew of legislation naming post offices and making insignificant changes to U.S. policy. Her goal wasn't exactly to pass dozens of big bills either; she's too much of a realist for that, allies say.

Warren's real power lies in her outsized influence, not just for a freshman senator, but for virtually any elected official in Washington. Her pen may not have touched many pieces of legislation that made their way to Obama's desk since her election in 2012, but her fingerprints are all over them.

Warren would be a strong spokeswoman for the party in Congress or outside of it; she spurred creation of a federal agency—the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau— without the title of "senator" in front of her name. But allies say Warren's best tool is her seat at the committee table in the Senate. Through hearings on the Senate Banking Committee in particular, Warren's questioning and persistence has lead to rules changes at various federal agencies without needing to get legislation through a Republican-controlled Congress. Most notably, Warren successfully pushed the SEC to require banks to admit wrongdoing in negotiating many settlements.

Even critics acknowledge that Warren's influence, particularly over federal agencies and her Democratic colleagues, goes beyond her fairly brief record of legislative accomplishment.


https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/05/is-elizabeth-warren-an-effective-senator/449349/

If someone comes in after the cake is baked, and adds some frosting roses, you don't call that person a master pastry chef.
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Me.

(35,454 posts)
28. Not When There's A Pattern To Back Up The Facts
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 06:01 PM
Jan 2020
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emmaverybo

(8,147 posts)
33. The past is prologue.
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 06:07 PM
Jan 2020
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
40. Fool me once....
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 09:20 PM
Jan 2020
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emmaverybo

(8,147 posts)
44. LOL. I can think of more, but I'll stop.
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 09:50 PM
Jan 2020
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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
2. Two of Sanders 3 achievements were to name post offices.
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 03:53 PM
Jan 2020

Just to underline. Anyone who checked his going on 30 years in congress would find this...amazing legacy. I've forgotten what the third was. Very important, though!

Of course, the 2016 election is a whole different kind of legacy and genuinely important. I'm guessing we'll have to wait to see if most history books either credit him as a factor critical to many more achievements, such as Kavanaugh and Gorsuch, or relegate him to the footnotes.

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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
5. One post office was re-named for the Radical Republican/Know-Nothing Thaddeus Stevens.
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 04:05 PM
Jan 2020

Does anyone remember the second one?

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Hav

(5,969 posts)
11. We are discussing the height of Bernie's legislative achievements here
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 04:42 PM
Jan 2020

We need help with some really deep research. Knowing only one of the post offices ignores 2/3 of his legacy.

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The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
12. I know, right? Someone must know the answer.
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 04:45 PM
Jan 2020
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Thekaspervote

(35,244 posts)
14. Ouch!!
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 04:45 PM
Jan 2020
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pfeiffer

(280 posts)
19. I just have to say...
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 05:02 PM
Jan 2020

I'm relatively new to DU (< 2 months)...but I AM IN LOVE WITH YOU GUYS!!! My fellow Joe supporters...who ALWAYS keep me smiling and laughing with your quick wit, loads of intelligence, and wonderfully-different-but-still-similar perspectives. And opinions.

Seriously...I love you guys.

Ryan

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Skya Rhen

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20. I'm hooked, too - April will make one year...
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 05:06 PM
Jan 2020
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LakeArenal

(29,936 posts)
30. Really one year? That was quick
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 06:04 PM
Jan 2020

I met you on your 4th post.

Happy Anniversary!!🥳🥳🥳

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TexasTowelie

(118,798 posts)
27. Welcome to DU!
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 05:58 PM
Jan 2020
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Cha

(307,225 posts)
37. Ikr! It's only our country and
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 06:37 PM
Jan 2020

our Planet!

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George II

(67,782 posts)
4. That's mild compared to other Sirota attacks.
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 03:59 PM
Jan 2020
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ritapria

(1,812 posts)
6. Bernie was known as "The Amendment King"
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 04:06 PM
Jan 2020

during his tenure in the House of Representatives …… He did not support disastrous trade deals , the disastrous Bankruptcy Bill, disastrous cuts in Social Security , Medicare , as well the disastrous Iraq War Resolution …

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LongtimeAZDem

(4,515 posts)
8. Ideological purity is easy if you never want to actually accomplish anything
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 04:11 PM
Jan 2020
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LakeArenal

(29,936 posts)
31. I laughed out loud.
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 06:05 PM
Jan 2020
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George II

(67,782 posts)
9. Latching onto the work of others. Do we have any idea how many of those amendments....
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 04:22 PM
Jan 2020

....actually got added to legislation and, further, added to legislation that passed?

"Amendment" is a rather nebulous term without documentation.

It's a lot of work to write and introduce legislation, it's a relatively simple task to add a few sentences to a 100-page bill.

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TidalWave46

(2,061 posts)
17. I would leave the Amendment King part out.
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 04:50 PM
Jan 2020

"during his tenure in the House of Representatives …… He did not support disastrous trade deals , the disastrous Bankruptcy Bill, disastrous cuts in Social Security , Medicare , as well the disastrous Iraq War Resolution …"

That's how you rock it out short and sweet. I agree with the context put forward in the op and in your post. One does not have to hold just one or the other.

Great post.

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Tarheel_Dem

(31,443 posts)
7. Ben is right. n/t
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 04:07 PM
Jan 2020
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PatSeg

(49,856 posts)
10. I remember years ago
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 04:24 PM
Jan 2020

criticizing Dennis Kucinich for pretty much the same thing during the 2008 primaries. Lots of ideas, lots of bills introduced, but very few tangible results. A Kucinich supporter bit my head off and I was really trying to be nice about it. I was just saying that I didn't think Kucinich had the ability to get legislation passed, which was evident by his many years in congress.

Now its 2020 and unfortunately I see the same scenario with Bernie Sanders.



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NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
18. Kucinich was called the "amendment king" until Bernie took his crown
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 04:51 PM
Jan 2020
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PatSeg

(49,856 posts)
43. Oh ouch!
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 09:46 PM
Jan 2020

During debates every other sentence started, "I introduced HR XXXX", but he never mentioned one that became law.

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Cha

(307,225 posts)
13. sirota.. jill stein pusher.. what does he know?
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 04:45 PM
Jan 2020
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NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
16. David Sirota is scum
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 04:49 PM
Jan 2020

and I wouldn't be surprised if gets a second paycheck in rubles.

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Cuthbert Allgood

(5,208 posts)
21. Steve Leser
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 05:16 PM
Jan 2020
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Cha

(307,225 posts)
22. david sirota..
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 05:25 PM
Jan 2020
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Hassin Bin Sober

(26,882 posts)
36. Done in by the beauty of AOC.
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 06:25 PM
Jan 2020

Last edited Thu Jan 9, 2020, 03:56 PM - Edit history (1)

AOC put him over the edge

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NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
15. Facts mean nothing to people supporting based on devotion and idolization
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 04:48 PM
Jan 2020

Bernie Sanders has been a failure in enacting legislation - a fact that cannot be seen when one covers one's eyes.

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aikoaiko

(34,207 posts)
24. I see that Ben doesn't deny that he has a conflict of interest regarding health care initiatives.
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 05:41 PM
Jan 2020
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emmaverybo

(8,147 posts)
34. He's not running for president. Bernie is, so his legislative record matters. What other
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 06:14 PM
Jan 2020

basis on which to judge his presidential qualifications and potential to build consensus, get his agenda carried out do we have? If Ben were telling lies about Bernie, we could discount his criticism and consider the source. But facts are facts.

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Cha

(307,225 posts)
45. Thank you!
Thu Jan 9, 2020, 03:51 PM
Jan 2020
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Gothmog

(158,151 posts)
32. What are sanders' legislative accomplishments??
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 06:06 PM
Jan 2020
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tiredtoo

(2,949 posts)
35. And now healthcare lobbyists are dissing Bernie
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 06:24 PM
Jan 2020

Yesterday it was republican columnists, today lobbyists.
Scary for sure.

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