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Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:14 PM

 

Sanders can't win

He thinks heís perfect but he has too much baggage and acts like the current ass in power. We cannot nominate this man who wonít hear a woman.

He flipped Warren off like a booger on television after the debate. He would do the same to me if I approached him - because I am a woman.

He will not get my vote in the primary for DOZENS of reasons (including Cenk and the fact that Bernie uses the big tent party for his own political gain) and he should not get your vote in the primary.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Wawannabe Jan 2020 OP
comradebillyboy Jan 2020 #1
DemocracyMouse Jan 2020 #87
comradebillyboy Jan 2020 #95
DemocracyMouse Jan 2020 #112
boomer_wv Jan 2020 #109
samnsara Jan 2020 #2
MarianJack Jan 2020 #5
Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #9
Wawannabe Jan 2020 #7
Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2020 #35
InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #58
DownriverDem Jan 2020 #38
Watchfoxheadexplodes Jan 2020 #3
JustAnotherGen Jan 2020 #4
DownriverDem Jan 2020 #39
JustAnotherGen Jan 2020 #56
demosincebirth Jan 2020 #118
Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #6
rawtribe Jan 2020 #84
Skya Rhen Jan 2020 #8
MontanaMama Jan 2020 #10
Wawannabe Jan 2020 #14
Perseus Jan 2020 #53
Wawannabe Jan 2020 #89
vsrazdem Jan 2020 #79
TheFarseer Jan 2020 #83
Wawannabe Jan 2020 #88
Wawannabe Jan 2020 #99
vsrazdem Jan 2020 #100
Gothmog Jan 2020 #11
Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #13
DownriverDem Jan 2020 #41
VarryOn Jan 2020 #85
VarryOn Jan 2020 #86
Wawannabe Jan 2020 #90
demosincebirth Jan 2020 #102
Post removed Jan 2020 #12
Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #15
MineralMan Jan 2020 #21
thewhollytoast Jan 2020 #29
MineralMan Jan 2020 #33
DownriverDem Jan 2020 #42
Cha Jan 2020 #48
cwydro Jan 2020 #111
Tipperary Jan 2020 #32
LanternWaste Jan 2020 #23
brush Jan 2020 #30
Watchfoxheadexplodes Jan 2020 #16
Baked Potato Jan 2020 #17
Thekaspervote Jan 2020 #18
Baked Potato Jan 2020 #25
squirecam Jan 2020 #119
betsuni Jan 2020 #73
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Me. Jan 2020 #72
betsuni Jan 2020 #74
Me. Jan 2020 #96
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Wawannabe Jan 2020 #93
MineralMan Jan 2020 #20
DownriverDem Jan 2020 #43
Iamaartist Jan 2020 #24
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Wawannabe Jan 2020 #27
empedocles Jan 2020 #28
NYMinute Jan 2020 #34
KPN Jan 2020 #36
Perseus Jan 2020 #52
KPN Jan 2020 #66
vsrazdem Jan 2020 #80
Wawannabe Jan 2020 #97
peoli Jan 2020 #37
DownriverDem Jan 2020 #45
Perseus Jan 2020 #64
Wawannabe Jan 2020 #98
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Perseus Jan 2020 #46
Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #103
vsrazdem Jan 2020 #114
Wawannabe Jan 2020 #107
vsrazdem Jan 2020 #113
The Valley Below Jan 2020 #115
MRDAWG Jan 2020 #49
Perseus Jan 2020 #55
mahina Jan 2020 #59
gab13by13 Jan 2020 #51
scheming daemons Jan 2020 #57
Perseus Jan 2020 #61
underthematrix Jan 2020 #60
Perseus Jan 2020 #63
underthematrix Jan 2020 #65
vsrazdem Jan 2020 #81
Cha Jan 2020 #122
iamthebandfanman Jan 2020 #54
vsrazdem Jan 2020 #82
Perseus Jan 2020 #62
CozyMystery Jan 2020 #68
Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #105
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David__77 Jan 2020 #71
totodeinhere Jan 2020 #75
demosincebirth Jan 2020 #117
bamagal62 Jan 2020 #76
Hoyt Jan 2020 #78
Dorian Gray Jan 2020 #94
demosincebirth Jan 2020 #101
vsrazdem Jan 2020 #110
demosincebirth Jan 2020 #116
Bleacher Creature Jan 2020 #106
redqueen Jan 2020 #120
Wawannabe Jan 2020 #121

Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:15 PM

1. Yes indeed...

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 04:22 AM

87. "Yes indeed" adds nothing to a discussion.

 

Trump will eat Biden for lunch.

Only Sanders and Warren have the chutzpah to flatten Trump.
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Response to DemocracyMouse (Reply #87)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 10:28 AM

95. What are you? The post police? Do I need to have you approve the

 

content of my posts in the future?
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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #95)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 01:15 AM

112. Debate, don't deflate bro. Happy to see your logic

 

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Response to DemocracyMouse (Reply #87)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 05:37 PM

109. Polling

 

Disagrees.

Warren is worst in head to head v Trump.
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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:15 PM

2. he doesnt get mine in the primary but if hes the Dem nom then I will vote for him...

 

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Response to samnsara (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:17 PM

5. Me too, but...

 

...he is a guaranteed landslide loser. No thanks.

RESIST!
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Response to MarianJack (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:19 PM

9. This!! As Joe said, he'll invite him to the WH for coffee

 

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Response to samnsara (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:19 PM

7. Right now, and in this forum

 

I am fighting like hell AGAINST Bernie Sanders getting the nomination. I will not have to hold my nose and vote if we do not nominate him!
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Response to Wawannabe (Reply #7)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 02:31 PM

35. Keep up the fight!

 

Sooner or later the DU membership will be convinced to oppose Bernie!
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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #35)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 03:24 PM

58. NOT THIS DU MEMBER!! BERNIE BEATING DOLT45 IS GUARAN-DAMN-TEED!!

 

Biden? Not so much... too much baggage tRumpty Dumbty would be able to exploit. Hopefully, the corporate media will soon start the vetting process on Joe, like they've done on Bernie... better to get everything out BEFORE the voting starts, so that voters can properly evaluate BOTH candidates!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
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Response to samnsara (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 03:01 PM

38. Then say

 

hello to trump's second term. Just like with McGovern we would lose big. This is why trump is building up Sanders and wants to run against him.
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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:17 PM

3. He won't be the nominee

 

So I won't have to worry voting for him.
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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:17 PM

4. I would be 'okay' with Sanders

 

As I do NOT think he's as bad as Trump. He would be head and shoulders above Trump.

However, the more I learn - the lower he falls on my list of our potential nominees. I've put Bloomberg in front of him.
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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 03:02 PM

39. Not me

 

He would lose big time.
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Response to DownriverDem (Reply #39)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 03:24 PM

56. Bloomberg - or Sanders?

 

I think Bloomberg could handily take out the Maggot.
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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #56)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 05:00 PM

118. There is truth to your words, my friend.

 

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:17 PM

6. Joe has baggage..a back pack...sanders has a steamer trunk...or 2

 

Borrowed from another DUíer
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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #6)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 01:59 AM

84. Sanders has a Tesla

 


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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:19 PM

8. True...

 

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:21 PM

10. He is my last choice, so he will not get my vote in the primary.

 

If he happens to be our nominee, Iíll vote for him because to do otherwise is a vote to end our republic. I would remind the folks who say they will write BSís name in the general, if he isnít the nominee do not have the best interests of America in mind.
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Response to MontanaMama (Reply #10)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:28 PM

14. The honorable thing for Bernie to do is drop out

 

Should never have entered the ring again.

Now russia and Rump are fighting for him. Fuck that!

Bernie could take the sting outta their poison darts by simply quitting this farce of running as a Democrat - go home and be the Senator from Vermont (from New York).
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Response to Wawannabe (Reply #14)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 03:20 PM

53. Why should he? He is leading in many of the polls

 

I don't get this bashing, I really don't.

None of you anti-Bernie will convince any of the Bernie supporters, the same as the Biden supporters will not be convinced of any Biden bashing either, and we can say the same for the other candidate supporters.

THIS IS NOT HEALTHY PEOPLE, but trump thanks all of you who are helping create discourse and division within the Democratic party.
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Response to Perseus (Reply #53)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 06:19 AM

89. Cuz he is NOT a Democrat

 

Already made his choice. Already made mine.
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Response to Wawannabe (Reply #14)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 01:00 AM

79. What about Liz and Pete. Should they drop out too they're running behind him. I got an idea.

 

Whey doesn't everyone drop out and we can just annoint Biden. We don't need no stinkin primary.
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Response to vsrazdem (Reply #79)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 01:29 AM

83. I seriously think

 

alot of people want to just have party leadership pick the nominee. Screw all this stupid voting - just gets in the way.
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Response to vsrazdem (Reply #79)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 06:18 AM

88. Seriously

 

I only want Bernie out. Just sayin!
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Response to vsrazdem (Reply #79)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 03:59 PM

99. The post is about NOT nominating Bernie.

 

I am fine with a Warren or Pete nomination. Your what-about belongs in your own OP.
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Response to Wawannabe (Reply #99)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 04:04 PM

100. Yes, you made that quite apparent.

 

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:24 PM

11. If sanders is the nominee, trump will 45+ states

 




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Response to Gothmog (Reply #11)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:28 PM

13. Oh so true!!

 

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #11)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 03:04 PM

41. Bernie supporters

 

are blind to Sanders baggage. They don't realize what would be unleashed if Sanders would be the nominee. We can all say hello to trump's second term.
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Response to Gothmog (Reply #11)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 02:07 AM

85. I dont know about 45...

 

But it will be a lot.
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Response to VarryOn (Reply #85)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 02:09 AM

86. I read a theory today on Twitter...

 

That Bloomberg will run as third party if Sanders is the nominee. Plausible..re-elects Trump if it happens.
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Response to VarryOn (Reply #86)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 06:22 AM

90. We could all vote 3p if BS nominee...

 

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #11)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 04:22 PM

102. The 2nd time we dems shot ourselves in the foot.

 

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Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:29 PM

15. The numbers aren't there for sanders

 

Your side ways swipe at boomers...they vote!! In large numbers
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Response to Post removed (Reply #12)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:46 PM

21. Insulting boomers isn't how Sanders will win.

 

Nope. It's a mistake. We vote. We turn out. As Democratic boomers, we always vote for Democrats. We're reliable voters. We even vote in primary elections, because we know that's where our vote counts the most.

Good luck.
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Response to MineralMan (Reply #21)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 01:56 PM

29. Dick Clark seemed to live forever because for over 30 years....

 

....we only saw him on New Years Eve.

Privileged Boomers vote, but from their arm chairs.

Ask yourself this question; "How many people in their 20's do I actually engage with?"

They are going to be voting next fall. "Occupy" was not a joke to them.

Maybe, it is time for people in their 60's and 70's to wake up and realize that the children of the "Greatest Generation" dropped the torch. But, it's okay because by the time climate change eventually takes its toll Boomers will be safely in their graves.

sweet.

Toast
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Response to thewhollytoast (Reply #29)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 02:10 PM

33. Depends on what you mean by "engage"

 

Personally, a couple of dozen. Online, tons more than that.

I don't just vote from my armchair. I'm active in many ways, although I no longer do street activism very often. I used to, but not any longer. I'm very active online, as you can see by looking up just a little bit.

I hope people in their 20s do vote. All of them. That's not the usual thing, though. The 18-35 year olds do not vote in as high a percentage as other age groups. That's been true for a very long time, even when I was in my 20s. I voted, but I was an exception in my age group then.

Today, it's still a minority in that age demographic group who actually vote in actual elections. Maybe that will change. I hope so.

You appear to be looking forward to my demise and the demise of others in my demographic. That will be "sweet," you say. I hear you. Yes I do. I'm listening.

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Response to thewhollytoast (Reply #29)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 03:07 PM

42. Divide us

 

and you think that will help our side? Insult Boomers and think that will help us? Say hello to trump's second term.
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Response to thewhollytoast (Reply #29)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 03:13 PM

48. "Dick Clark"? Has not one thing to do with this.

 

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Response to thewhollytoast (Reply #29)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 07:29 PM

111. You seem nice.

 

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #21)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 02:08 PM

32. No shit.

 

Thank you.
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Response to Post removed (Reply #12)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:51 PM

23. It's a tough old world when people don't share your unsupported allegations.

 

I can only imagine the frustration you feel when people ignore the t-shirt slogans and bumper stickers.
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Response to Post removed (Reply #12)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 01:58 PM

30. Not a clear post. Who are you backing?

 

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:36 PM

16. PLUS, tyt, Sam Seder and David pakman

 

With attacks on Elizabeth Warren will do nothing but hurt Bernie's numbers.
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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:36 PM

17. My gut tells me Bernie doesn't really want to be President

 

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Response to Baked Potato (Reply #17)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:37 PM

18. Interesting would love to hear why you feel that way

 

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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #18)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 01:13 PM

25. I was keeping it simple.

 

I donít want to hijack the original post. I made a posting a couple months ago about Bernie wanting to give healthcare to undocumented immigrants. That policy alone tells me he is playing to a narrow lane. We have enough Americans in line who need healthcare.
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Response to Baked Potato (Reply #25)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 06:41 PM

119. DACA

 

Kids are Americans. Just like the rest of us. They deserve healthcare too.
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Response to Baked Potato (Reply #17)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 12:37 AM

73. I used to think that.

 

He said it wasn't about the presidency last time, but his movement, transforming America. He knew the primary wasn't "rigged."

Now he says it was rigged ("Some people say that maybe if the system wasn't rigged against me, I would've won the nomination. I would've beat Trump" ), he honestly seems to believe that powerful dark forces really are the only thing stopping him -- the people agree with him on everything, non-voters and Trump voters will vote for him if only they hear him explain things to them, that he is the only one who can beat Trump. He has said many many times that the only reason we can't have nice progressive things is because Congress is corrupt. He is the only one who is not corrupt.

When you believe your own... Unfortunate.
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Response to betsuni (Reply #73)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 06:29 AM

91. I

 

Am a powerful dark force running against Bernie as the nominee! 😉
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Response to Wawannabe (Reply #91)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 06:50 AM

92. Me too!

 

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:43 PM

19. The View Of A Former Vermont Govenor

 

ďWhat Iíve seen in Bernieís politics is he and his team feel theyíre holier than the rest. In the end, they will play dirty because they think that they pass a purity test that Republicans and most Democrats donít pass,Ē Shumlin told the publication.Ē

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=428246
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Response to Me. (Reply #19)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:48 PM

22. This!

 

He is not pure. And not a Democrat.
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Response to Me. (Reply #19)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 02:03 PM

31. Who would know Bernie better than a longtime fellow Vermonter? nt

 

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Fri Jan 17, 2020, 11:50 PM

70. Similar to what Barney Frank said:

 

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"Bernie alienates his natural allies. He is completely ineffective as a lobbyist because he offends just about everyone. His holier-than-thou attitude -- saying in a very loud voice he is smarter than everyone else and purer than everyone else -- really undercuts his effectiveness. To him anybody who disagrees with him is a crook; there are no honest disagreement with people. Bernie's view of the world is that the great majority of the people agree with him, on all the issues, and the only reason he does not win is that the Congress is crooked."
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Response to betsuni (Reply #70)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 12:14 AM

72. THis

 

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Response to Me. (Reply #72)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 12:42 AM

74. I just realized I wrote Bernie Frank instead of Barney Frank.

 

Oops.
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Response to betsuni (Reply #74)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 11:34 AM

96. HaH! I Read Barney Frank

 

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Response to betsuni (Reply #70)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 12:54 AM

77. Very interesting explanation. Thanks. nt

 

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Response to betsuni (Reply #70)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 08:08 AM

93. Barney Frank

 

A blast from the past! Love me some Barney! NOT bernie...
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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:44 PM

20. Well, I'd vote for him if he were the nominee in November.

 

But, he won't be. I would have voted for him in 2016, had he been the nominee. But, he wasn't.
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Response to MineralMan (Reply #20)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 03:09 PM

43. I hope I don't have to hold my nose.

 

Bernie's not a Dem and too many folks don't get why that's a problem.
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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:52 PM

24. To me Bernie doesn't have the qualifications to be a President....

 

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Response to Iamaartist (Reply #24)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 01:20 PM

26. I am afraid Bernie is going to win Iowa & NH

 

that would give him momentum, but S Carolina will end the momentum.
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Response to at140 (Reply #26)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 01:24 PM

27. No way!

 

Joeís got Iowa and NH.
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Response to Iamaartist (Reply #24)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 01:27 PM

28. I have a sister in Vt, who has held fundraisers for BS in her home. Vt

 

likes Bernie as a Senator symbol of Vt.

The several I met, who know BS fairly well, [very easy in Vt, Montpelier the Capital has a pop of about 8000], don't think he would or could be a good President.
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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 02:21 PM

34. K&R Go Joe!! nt

 

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 02:58 PM

36. He thinks he's perfect? Acts like the current

 

ass power? Flipped Warren off like a booger?

WTF? So much for having forum rules.
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Response to KPN (Reply #36)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 03:15 PM

52. "WTF? So much for having forum rules."...right!

 

I have been placed in a corner for non offensive stuff, for providing my opinion, and now we see this and nothing happens...I am all for allowing people to give their opinions, but when it reaches levels of offensiveness then that is crossing the line for me.

This is very harmful people, I don't know who is who so I could never tell if the one starting this horrendous comments is a troll or not, but this is exactly what republicans want, and some here seem to be complying with their wishes, what a shame.
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Response to Perseus (Reply #52)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 07:06 PM

66. Amen to that.

 

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Sat Jan 18, 2020, 03:44 PM

97. I'm not a troll

 

Fyi
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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 03:00 PM

37. Biden can't win

 

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Response to peoli (Reply #37)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 03:11 PM

45. LOL

 

Google your guy to see all his baggage. Then think trump will win a second term.
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Response to DownriverDem (Reply #45)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 03:41 PM

64. You don't seem to get peoli's entry

 

If I do get it, his entry seems to do what the original post did, just say "so and so can't win", as if that is based on facts. Let us remember that Bernie is up in the polls right now.

One more thing, Biden has been around for a long time too, he also has a lot of baggage, republicans will use is act during Anita Hill fiasco as proof that he doesn't care about blacks, even though we know different, talk about the good that Biden will do instead, when you concentrate on bashing the others you are wasting that precious time to sell your candidate.
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Response to Perseus (Reply #64)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 03:56 PM

98. The original post. My opinion post

 

Was just that. I stated why I believe Bernie canít win the nomination. Shouldnít win the nomination and then I state that others should not vote for him in the primary. This is the forum for me to be able to do that!

I do not call Bernie names, and I state factual info about Cenk and Bernie flipping Warren off like a booger. Wouldnít give her a moment after the debate AND I state that Bernie wonít hear women! Itís all true and the post stands with 40+ recs.

Iíll say it again. Bernie canít win the nomination. This is the forum to do that and I will continue to give my views and possibly write other OPs trying to move anyone away from Bernie in the primary.
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Response to Wawannabe (Reply #98)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 04:26 PM

104. I don't have a problem with people expressing their views, but what I do not understand is the

 

visceral loathing for Sanders. I don't agree with some of Biden's positions, but I have nothing negative to say about him as a person. I totally respect his service and feel great empathy for what he has had to go through in his personal life, but the total revulsion of Sanders as a person is very distasteful. You don't like him. Don't vote for him, but you are not alone in the universe. There are other people around you. They have a different opinion than you do. Try to place nice with the other kids.
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Response to vsrazdem (Reply #104)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 05:15 PM

108. Again

 

This is the forum for me to be able to move undecided persons away from Bernie.
I do not bash Bernie. I say donít vote for him in the primary. I say he uses the party for his own political gain. What I stated was not visceral dislike or loathing.

Simple. Donít vote for Bernie in the primary.

Had that been all of the OP then that would not be helpful to anyone. I stated some of the DOZENS of reasons he doesnít get my support to make it a true OP. Not visceral loathing. You should really back off of that implication that I loath anyone. Seriously.

This forum exists for me and you to state our opinions. If you wish to do the same then go for it.
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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 03:04 PM

40. Are you guys trolling me right now?

 

Bernie would beat trump handily, IMO.
Whoever the nominee is, gotta go vote!!!
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Response to Dr Rise (Reply #40)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 03:12 PM

47. Bless your heart

 

Say hello to trump's second term.
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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 03:10 PM

44. STOP THE INFIGHTING!!

 

One of the biggest problems we face can be seen in the democratic debates--in-fighting! Trump wants us to fight among ourselves thus pushing us not to vote. I'M VOTING FOR WHOMEVER WINS THE NOMINATION. I don't like bernie either, but if he gets the nomination, I'M VOTING FOR HIM. It has occurred to me that the media CEOs and the conservative party want us to get behind a candidate whom they know cannot beat trump! NEVER FORGET OUR GOAL IS TO GET RID OF TRUMP!!!! Do not let your personal feelings interfere with this one goal. I don't like bernie, but I can stomach bernie for 4 years, but I cannot stomach another 4 years of trump--it just too much!! SAVE AMERICA DUMP TRUMP 2020!!
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Response to blakstoneranger (Reply #44)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 03:14 PM

50. Answer this

 

Why is trump now pushing Bernie? Simple. trump wants to run against Bernie. Bernie has a ton of baggage that trump and the repubs would release. It's not infighting. It's reality.
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Response to DownriverDem (Reply #50)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 07:14 PM

67. I don't know about that. He definitely wants to

 

see division in the Democratic Party. Thatís his primary purpose. Would he prefer Bernie Sanders over Joe Biden? Iím not so sure and frankly doubt thatís his purpose.

Is he creating divisiveness with this tweet, seeing the reaction above ó you bet!

How about letís donít be suckers and keep our eye on the ball.
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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 03:11 PM

46. He did not flip Warren

 

Warren started talking to him about Bernie calling her a liar, Bernie knew the station was pointing the microphones at them, Bernie asked her to discuss this later but Warren kept at it, so he turned around because he did not want the TV station to continue taping a conversation that would be used against them. It is that simple, not like you want people to believe.

I have not decided for Bernie or anyone else who is left, but this Bernie bashing is disgusting, and it should stop, we are not gaining anything from it, those who support Bernie will only be offended, that is a big win for trump.

The reason so many Bernie supporters stayed home in 2016 is because they were treated the same way they are being treated here in DU, which is supposed to support ALL Democratic candidates. Please stop this bashing, it will lead us nowhere.
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Response to Perseus (Reply #46)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 04:23 PM

103. I don't care why people stayed home or voted for Stein...maybe even Trump...if you didn't support

 

the Democratic nominee than I have no use for you now or ever...you have blood on your traitorous hands...courts alone were reason to vote for Hillary. Bill Clinton gave us Ginsberg and Hillary would have appointed some fine judges or kept Kavanaugh off the court at least... not to mention the hundreds of unqualified judges McConnell has put on lower courts. You helped usher in a huge tax cut for the rich, environmental disaster, caged children, dead Jewish and AA Americans from Trump's many dog whistles to racists, A dead woman in Charlottesville, shootings, food stamp cuts that allow people to go hungry, foreign policy disasters across the board and now possibly war...Fuck anyone who did not vote for the Democratic nominee in 16 and a double fuck to any that would do so again in 2020. That is all.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #103)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:28 AM

114. Sanders voters did not cause Hillary the election.

 

http://centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/did-bernie-sanders-cost-hillary-clinton-the-presidency/
There are many proximate causes for Clintonís loss, and I think you can divide them into three broad categories:

The Comey Letter: Perhaps the best validated of any of the causes of her loss, there are numerous proximate causes here: her decision to use a private email server, the Benghazi witch hunt, her husbandís visit with Loretta Lynch on the Phoenix airport tarmac, Lynchís failure to stop Comey, Clintonís willingness to keep Huma Abedin as an aide, Abedinís willingness to stay with Anthony Weiner, Weinerís willingness to send sexually-explicit messages to people other than his wife, Comeyís decision to send the letter to Congress, and so on.

Exogenous events: These are harder to prove, but you could make the case for any of these items outside of Clintonís control costing her those 78,000 crucial votes: the mediaís constant focus on her email server, President Obamaís failure to nominate a Supreme Court nominee thatíd drive African-American or Latino turnout, people voting for third parties, the Russian disinformation campaign against her, etc.

The Clinton campaignís own actions: the failure to seriously defend Michigan and Wisconsin, the allocation of resources to stretch states instead of the Blue Wall, the focus on personal appeal (never high for Clinton ) instead of her policy positions (more popular than Trumpís), calling half of Trump voters deplorable, focusing on data analytics and voter modeling instead of actually doing the hard work of turning the base out, generally losing a campaign where she was favored and had more resources.

Certainly all of those are more compelling proximate causes than Sanders, but is Sanders himself a proximate cause? Again, I donít think he is unless you assume that Clinton would have had no serious primary opposition. I donít dispute the fact that he did end up costing her some votes. And her 78,000-vote loss was certainly slim enough that it can have multiple proximate causes. Iíd be willing to state that Bernie Sanders might have cost Clinton the election if no serious primary challenger emerged in the counterfactual. In Pennsylvania, Clinton would have needed around a quarter of the Sanders voters who didnít vote for her to have changed their votes to win. How many of those people were among the 20% of Democrats who didnít approve of Clinton before Sanders even entered the race? My guess is most of those people werenít going to vote for Clinton anyway, but I doubt we can ever be sure.

If youíre a Clinton voter angry at Sanders, is that more compelling than any of the reasons listed above? I donít think so. And if you want Democrats to win back the presidency in 2020, wouldnít it make more sense to dwell on issues that had a bigger impact, and focus on the ones that you can control going forward? I could understand relitigating the 2016 primary if it had caused serious damage, but the fighting appears to be based more on rehashing old grievances than actually winning voters back into the Democratic Party. Frankly, if thereís any Democrat other than Clinton deserving of Democratic ire, itís President Obama. It was his neglect of the DNC (heíd been told that Debbie Wasserman Schultz should be ousted as early as 2012) that led to widespread grassroots distrust of the party. It was his naivetť that Republicans would actually consider voting for Merrick Garland that prevented him from nominating an African-American or Latino nominee to the court that couldíve made the Supreme Court a bigger issue for Democrats. And it was his administration that didnít stop the Comey Letter or publicize Russian interference in the election. If you want to start an intraparty squabble, itís those types of mistakes that the party should seek to avoid repeating.
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Response to Perseus (Reply #46)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 04:57 PM

107. I am not bashing

 

This is the forum for me to make my case for or against a candidate in a primary. My case is against Bernie as the nominee. Simple as that.

If this forum is not for stating ones opinions for or against a primary candidate...tell me why it exists???? I was not ďbashingĒ Bernie or my post would have been removed.

I will continue to make a case against Bernie as the nominee in this forum. Like it or not.
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Response to Perseus (Reply #46)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:23 AM

113. The offending started way before this. This is just another bump in the road.

 

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Response to Perseus (Reply #46)

Sun Jan 19, 2020, 03:51 AM

115. You are ignoring "the script." A script that was untruthfully laid off as a "rogue employee"

 

when, in fact, it was an official campaign document.

The credibility of the Sanders campaign is shot.
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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 03:13 PM

49. Warrens people will stay home if he is nominee and................

 

Bernie people will do the same if she is nominee.

Biden is the only one who will beat Trump!
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Response to MRDAWG (Reply #49)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 03:22 PM

55. Then they cannot complain if trump does get reelected, can they?

 

Not voting for the Democratic nominee is a vote for trump.

This is insane...Never thought I would see this at DU, I have to think we have trolls navigating this website.
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Response to MRDAWG (Reply #49)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 03:24 PM

59. Not this one

 

Never.
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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 03:15 PM

51. Don't all of these Bernie bashing threads violate our rules?

 

I'm beginning to believe that it is Bernie who Trump fears.

I remember back to 2016 when Bernie polled better against Trump than Hillary did, I don't recall any Hillary can't win threads.

Bashing our next president isn't a good look.
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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #51)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 03:24 PM

57. Saying a candidate is unlikely to win is *NOT* bashing

 


This is the Democratic Primary forum. We're supposed to be hashing out which candidate we think can win in November.

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Response to scheming daemons (Reply #57)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 03:31 PM

61. Yes it is

 

There is no basis for saying that Bernie can't win, he is up in the polls afterall, and if Bernie supporters start feeling excluded because so many people say "Bernie is not a real Democrat", they may not have the incentive to vote for your candidate if she were to win the nomination.

This is a very unhealthy initial post, and those contributors to the bashing are doing a disservice to all Democrats. At the end of the day Bernie Sanders is representing the Democratic Party, and he should be treated as one, and with respect.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #51)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 03:29 PM

60. Forget all that. Bernie had a heart attack. He said

 

he would release his FULL medical records. Now he says he wont. To me, this seems more important.
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Response to underthematrix (Reply #60)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 03:36 PM

63. Sure, today is the medical records, and tomorrow something else

 

I understand.

This is what republicans are doing to Joe:

[link:https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287429153|

We should not join in in the bashing of our Democratic candidates.
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Response to Perseus (Reply #63)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 04:12 PM

65. Nope. The medical records are important because he had a heart attack and he's running for the

 

ultimate high stress position. i consider so much of the negative stuff posted here about any candidate as psyops so I usually ignore it. But the medical records stuff is important BECAUSE he had a heart attack while running for the most stressful job evar!
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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #51)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 01:06 AM

81. Apparently they don't, because when I saw this first thing this morning, I mentioned this

 

but appraently it seems to be okay.
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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #51)

Wed Jan 22, 2020, 03:23 AM

122. NOPE

 

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 03:21 PM

54. Yikes.

 

I should try to make a post like this, using your same exact wording, with only bernie replaced with biden and see how long before i get the post removed and threatened with a ban.
weird how DU works.
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Response to iamthebandfanman (Reply #54)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 01:09 AM

82. Isn't it though.

 

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 03:35 PM

62. Ok, here you go, someone making fun of Biden's sttuter

 

That is how disgusting republicans are, and now Bernie bashers are joining in....

[link:https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287429153|
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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 10:03 PM

68. I am a woman. He will get my vote in the primary. And my daughter's vote, too. And my sons' votes.

 

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Response to CozyMystery (Reply #68)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 04:28 PM

105. He won't get my vote, my husband's vote, my three Daughter's votes, or my son's vote...

 

we will only vote for him in a general. Of course given his lack of AA support, he is unlikely to win a primary and will not be our nominee.
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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Fri Jan 17, 2020, 11:38 PM

69. IMO he won't get the nomination.

 

He has the same base of support as last time, and he is going to alienate Warren's supporters if he goes scorched earth on her (which it looks like he is doing). Biden is going to beat him the same way that Hillary beat him, with the same constituency.

I just hope that he gets thumped hard enough this time that he will shut the fuck up when April rolls around and he doesn't have any mathematical way of winning the nomination. We don't need another divisive Hail Mary for a brokered convention to overturn the primary contests.

I have preferences for certain candidates in this race (Warren and Yang, specifically) but I will vote for whoever is the front runner when my state's primary rolls around (i.e. probably Biden) because most of all, I support a smooth transition to the general election. I'll take any of them over that fucking hun currently squatting in the white house.
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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 12:12 AM

71. My plan is to vote for him.

 

Itís a big tent, indeed.
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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 12:44 AM

75. First of all, Bernie has never said that he thinks he is prefect. If you have that

 

quote please link to it. And his supporters are not saying that either. And his behavior at the debate was appropriate. He didn't think that on that stage after the debate was the right time and place to get into a loud argument with Senator Warren with the cameras on and the microphones running. Who can blame him? And by the way, both campaigns have tried to defuse the situation since then.

Now regarding your contention that he can't win, of course that is a legitimate consideration. But other observers think quite the opposite and think that Biden can't win. But whoever gets the nomination we need to make sure that whoever that is does win.
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Response to totodeinhere (Reply #75)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 04:58 PM

117. Only trump thinks he's perfect.

 

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 12:52 AM

76. I'll vote for a plant if that's the nominee.

 

Full stop.
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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 12:55 AM

78. Don't think he can win. But he's got a lot a great ideas, and I wish he could win.

 

Have significant differences, such as his populism that treats poor foreign workers, like Mexicans and Asians, as scabs. But he wonít win against trump or any other GOPer that replaces him. Same for Warren.
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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 08:15 AM

94. I'm not voting for him in the primary

 

However, posts like this are super divisive. And...

yeah.

I'm not voting for him in the primary. If he wins the primary, I will vote for him. Because the other choice is DJT and he's a fucking moron.

My main issue with Bernie is the people who are most vocal about him. He doesn't irk me as much. But I think the people who are Bernie or Bust are so vocal about it and that they would never vote for another democratic candidate. That's a problem, and a problem I won't perpetuate by saying the same thing.

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 04:17 PM

101. He should've run as a Independent like he is.

 

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Response to demosincebirth (Reply #101)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 06:45 PM

110. And Trump would win.

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

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Response to vsrazdem (Reply #110)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 04:55 PM

116. If Sanders gets the nomination (which I don't think he will) I will hold my nose and vote for him

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Sat Jan 18, 2020, 04:28 PM

106. K&R. Agree!

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Response to Wawannabe (Original post)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 06:43 PM

120. If he can't win then why do so many people

 

have him living rent free in their heads?

If he's got no chance then why are people who don't support him constantly talking about him?
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

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Response to redqueen (Reply #120)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 07:42 PM

121. You took it wrong

 

Meant canít win the nomination as in shouldnít.

I can have my opinion here and choose to say we canít nominate Bernie.

You spin that ďliving in the headĒ stuff - nice try. He doesnít occupy my head.

I will not vote for him in the primary and will continue to oppose him as the nominee here on DUís democratic primary forum. Your spin is wrong.

The place for me to oppose Bernie is in this forum and the time for me and others to do it is now.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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