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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

snowybirdie

(5,190 posts)
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 03:19 PM Mar 2019

Oh dear Pete

How can we vote for someone who disses our last Democratic candidate, who received 3 million more votes than the winning one? And who doesn't believe we are a great country, despite our recognized problems. Sorry that's a fatal flaw!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Oh dear Pete (Original Post) snowybirdie Mar 2019 OP
what did he say, I must have missed something AlexSFCA Mar 2019 #1
Hope you have some pearls to clutch and a fainting couch nearby Rstrstx Mar 2019 #6
Donald Trump got elected by the E.C. because of his racist appeals coupled with gerrymandering and pnwmom Mar 2019 #54
Gerrymandering? madville Mar 2019 #91
See post #5 True Dough Mar 2019 #7
In View of the Increased, Distorted Posts on Pete - I'm Increasing My Donations to Him! IndianaDave Mar 2019 #58
And you're doing it even though you had to pay more in tax thanks to Drumpf True Dough Mar 2019 #66
Thank you very sincerely, True Dough. Yes, that's exactly the way I feel. IndianaDave Mar 2019 #74
I liked the speech... Mike Nelson Mar 2019 #2
In my view... Mike Nelson Mar 2019 #3
The quirks of the electoral college give some people a stronger voice than others. marylandblue Mar 2019 #12
I agree. That's why I'm, for Biden. louis c Mar 2019 #45
I think he is our hope because of his communication skills marylandblue Mar 2019 #52
More debate (and context, at least in some posts) found here: True Dough Mar 2019 #5
Okay... Mike Nelson Mar 2019 #9
that's because this entire thing is from a 2 and half month old article that basically zero comments Celerity Mar 2019 #16
Yes - It Appears That There's a Coordinated Effort to Destroy Pete IndianaDave Mar 2019 #38
I've seen... Mike Nelson Mar 2019 #44
He's already said that their campaign's "I'm with Her" slogan was ill-judged... regnaD kciN Mar 2019 #76
That was not her campaign slogan. Stronger Together was the slogan. betsuni Mar 2019 #78
Recognizing that HRC was not always a great campaigner is not a flaw. aikoaiko Mar 2019 #4
i share that opinion. nt babylonsister Mar 2019 #15
Me too, love the guy. pdsimdars Mar 2019 #48
people wonder why politicians are dishonest Lazy Daisy Mar 2019 #79
I agree with this and all one need to do is state "super predator" tymorial Mar 2019 #31
She didn't vote for the crime bill, Bernie Sanders did. betsuni Mar 2019 #87
Exactly correct. dchill Mar 2019 #37
+1 melman Mar 2019 #47
Yup; It's like the blue wall didn't crumble and she didn't lose by 74 EV's BeyondGeography Mar 2019 #53
Its primary time things will get said marlakay Mar 2019 #73
What is the point though, why now? jaceaf Mar 2019 #89
Some overreaction w/o giving Mayor Pete the benefit first...here's the trend ... SWBTATTReg Mar 2019 #8
Is "we are already great" really the right message for, say marylandblue Mar 2019 #10
Oh, for God's sake DavidDvorkin Mar 2019 #11
this!!! Celerity Mar 2019 #19
Yes, don't bother DavidDvorkin Mar 2019 #39
AMEN to that!!!! pdsimdars Mar 2019 #50
He didn't even diss the candidate, just one message. Qutzupalotl Mar 2019 #13
As his campaign progresses he seems to get bolder with his comments about other Democrats. George II Mar 2019 #14
that article was from 2 and half months ago, when he was at zero in the polls Celerity Mar 2019 #20
Yes, his slam on Hillary was 2 1/2 months ago.. Cha Mar 2019 #67
This story was before he announced a run for president. Nt USALiberal Mar 2019 #75
He recognized that the campaign could have done better AlexSFCA Mar 2019 #17
Yes, he was criticizing her messaging, not her. marylandblue Mar 2019 #32
Hey, everyone, read the above post! Beartracks Mar 2019 #40
Where is the quote you are offended by? Renew Deal Mar 2019 #18
here Celerity Mar 2019 #22
Attacking Hillary Clinton was a big negative Gothmog Mar 2019 #21
he did not attack Sec Clinton Celerity Mar 2019 #23
Good luck with getting support from Clinton supporters with these attacks Gothmog Mar 2019 #25
I look forward to the debates Celerity Mar 2019 #26
I look forward to the debates also Gothmog Mar 2019 #28
nope, he has never done a single thing other than that since birth nt Celerity Mar 2019 #29
"couldn't break thru Trump media din" marylandblue Mar 2019 #34
Some people think that we are not ready for a female or gay POTUS. demmiblue Mar 2019 #35
No dis, he didn't do such a thing. elleng Mar 2019 #24
3 women candidates have proposed solid policy. that is all Kurt V. Mar 2019 #27
His point is people were promised more pie as freer trade made the pie bigger applegrove Mar 2019 #30
In my opinion and many others.. he went about Cha Mar 2019 #72
Sure is. democratisphere Mar 2019 #33
If resumes won elections, Trump never would have made it out of the primaries marylandblue Mar 2019 #36
Resumes should matter. LakeArenal Mar 2019 #41
Great reply. defacto7 Mar 2019 #42
He did not diss her riverbendviewgal Mar 2019 #43
It was a diss pnwmom Mar 2019 #55
Yeah, he did.. and many Voters took it that way. Cha Mar 2019 #68
He disobeyed Commandment #1. Thou shalt not say anything negative about Hillary Clinton. jalan48 Mar 2019 #46
What are you talking about? There has never been a politician who people feel more free to trash StevieM Mar 2019 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author StevieM Mar 2019 #57
On DU jalan48 Mar 2019 #61
Yep melman Mar 2019 #63
I swear one would think that was the first and only primary that anyone ever experienced. Autumn Mar 2019 #98
OH BULLoney. So you Admit it.. it was Cha Mar 2019 #69
Clicked on this from DU home JHB Mar 2019 #49
Agree. No one needs another "carnage" speech. We need a unity speech. Irishxs Mar 2019 #51
Exactly, Irish.. So Divisive.. of course Buttigieg Cha Mar 2019 #70
My sentiments exactly nt BlueFlorida Mar 2019 #59
this is a deal breaker for me.. samnsara Mar 2019 #60
I'm Not Sure ... kooth Mar 2019 #62
He dared to speak truth to power randr Mar 2019 #64
Bull.. Cha Mar 2019 #71
I am really starting to hate this guy. (eom) StevieM Mar 2019 #65
He would make a great HUD Secretary. Maybe some day VP. redstateblues Mar 2019 #77
When blaming Democrats for what Republicans do is "speaking truth to power." betsuni Mar 2019 #80
Yes, Buttigieg's plan to insult and Cha Mar 2019 #82
I wonder if he thinks American manufacturing failed because of free trade deals. betsuni Mar 2019 #83
Yeah, soundbytes. Cha Mar 2019 #84
I just listened to a discussion of whether a Democrat can win the MidWest. betsuni Mar 2019 #85
Yes, President Obama Cha Mar 2019 #86
Post removed Post removed Mar 2019 #81
can't vote for this dude jaceaf Mar 2019 #88
Dramatic much? BlueWI Mar 2019 #90
There's nothing wrong with recognizing the mistakes of past candidates and campaigns madville Mar 2019 #92
Oh dear Hillary! Can you believe she actually admitted she made some mistakes? Quixote1818 Mar 2019 #93
Buttigieg's plan to insult and divide Dems Cha Mar 2019 #94
Yes, he seems evil and divisive. Quixote1818 Mar 2019 #95
Not "evil" just divisive. Cha Mar 2019 #96
He said one mild criticism 2.5 months ago, marylandblue Mar 2019 #97
We can expect a lot more of this. They are afraid of Pete gaining any ground. Autumn Mar 2019 #99
 

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
1. what did he say, I must have missed something
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 03:25 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Rstrstx

(1,393 posts)
6. Hope you have some pearls to clutch and a fainting couch nearby
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 03:34 PM
Mar 2019

He said this in a Washington Post interview:

"Donald Trump got elected because...he pointed out the huge troubles in our economy and our democracy. At least he didn’t go around saying that America was already great, like Hillary did."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
54. Donald Trump got elected by the E.C. because of his racist appeals coupled with gerrymandering and
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 05:55 PM
Mar 2019

voter suppression.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

madville

(7,397 posts)
91. Gerrymandering?
Sun Mar 31, 2019, 03:26 PM
Mar 2019

Agree with the rest but don't understand how gerrymandering helped Trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

IndianaDave

(611 posts)
58. In View of the Increased, Distorted Posts on Pete - I'm Increasing My Donations to Him!
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 06:11 PM
Mar 2019

It's fair to question what he said, but to decide to write off Pete Buttigieg because of a couple remarks seems almost like hysterical overreaction. Yep! I'm going to increase my support.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

True Dough

(17,090 posts)
66. And you're doing it even though you had to pay more in tax thanks to Drumpf
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 10:15 PM
Mar 2019

Because supporting Mayor Pete is MONEY WELL SPENT!

I salute you, IndianaDave!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

IndianaDave

(611 posts)
74. Thank you very sincerely, True Dough. Yes, that's exactly the way I feel.
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 11:12 PM
Mar 2019

It is a sacrifice for me (not asking for sympathy or martyr points), but I believe in Pete and I want him to become our president.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Mike Nelson

(9,903 posts)
2. I liked the speech...
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 03:31 PM
Mar 2019

… did not catch the Hillary Clinton diss...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Mike Nelson

(9,903 posts)
3. In my view...
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 03:32 PM
Mar 2019

… the winning candidate was Hillary Clinton. Hillary won, Trump was elected.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
12. The quirks of the electoral college give some people a stronger voice than others.
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 03:45 PM
Mar 2019

It would be great if that were not so, but that's how it is. Any winning campaign must take that into account, and address the needs of those stronger voices. We'll never be in position to fix this problem if we can't win under the system we have now.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

louis c

(8,652 posts)
45. I agree. That's why I'm, for Biden.
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 05:32 PM
Mar 2019

Pete won't even be able to come within 10 points of Trump in Indiana.

Please, let's not think he's our hope in the Mid-West because he's a small town Mayor in Indiana.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
52. I think he is our hope because of his communication skills
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 05:46 PM
Mar 2019

But I understand why you might think Biden is better.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

True Dough

(17,090 posts)
5. More debate (and context, at least in some posts) found here:
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 03:33 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Mike Nelson

(9,903 posts)
9. Okay...
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 03:36 PM
Mar 2019

...Thank you!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Celerity

(42,645 posts)
16. that's because this entire thing is from a 2 and half month old article that basically zero comments
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 04:04 PM
Mar 2019

on the original WaPo Tweet about it until yesterday, when a Twitter bot/troll chain latched onto it, spun it up and it ended up being flopped into here at DU. It wasn't from a speech.

Buttigieg is surging in the polls and exchanges (3rd in Iowa, 3rd on PredictIt, etc), and obviously someone didn't like that

I have a shit tonne of posts dissecting what happened, with a tonne of links and vids as well

here:

in this thread, the one that kicked it all off https://www.democraticunderground.com/128742587

now OP's here are multiplying, all rehashing it





If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

IndianaDave

(611 posts)
38. Yes - It Appears That There's a Coordinated Effort to Destroy Pete
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 05:09 PM
Mar 2019

All based on a couple poorly worded remarks. I don't perceive that Pete is attacking anyone. This is being blown way out of proportion. It makes me wonder who's behind this. Who's so threatened that they need to pretend that what Pete said in a brief paragraph is his core message?

To paraphrase a song from the 60's, "All we are saying, is give Pete a chance!"

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Mike Nelson

(9,903 posts)
44. I've seen...
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 05:31 PM
Mar 2019

… some recent efforts to knock both Pete and Biden. I think we can expect this to get worse... I'm voting enthusiastically for the nominee!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

regnaD kciN

(26,035 posts)
76. He's already said that their campaign's "I'm with Her" slogan was ill-judged...
Sun Mar 31, 2019, 12:26 AM
Mar 2019

...which I agree, among other reasons, because it gave Trump the opportunity to turn it around as "She wants to know if you're 'with her', well...I'm with you." Never come up with a slogan that your opponent can use to their advantage. Ever.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

betsuni

(25,122 posts)
78. That was not her campaign slogan. Stronger Together was the slogan.
Sun Mar 31, 2019, 12:42 AM
Mar 2019

A supporter came up with the I'm With Her slogan and supporters used it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

aikoaiko

(34,127 posts)
4. Recognizing that HRC was not always a great campaigner is not a flaw.
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 03:33 PM
Mar 2019


In my opinion.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

babylonsister

(170,962 posts)
15. i share that opinion. nt
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 04:01 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
48. Me too, love the guy.
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 05:36 PM
Mar 2019

Speaking of clutching the pearls. . . .

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Lazy Daisy

(928 posts)
79. people wonder why politicians are dishonest
Sun Mar 31, 2019, 12:45 AM
Mar 2019

well, here it is.... he was being honest and is now vilified for it.

Stay honest Pete!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

tymorial

(3,433 posts)
31. I agree with this and all one need to do is state "super predator"
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 04:32 PM
Mar 2019

Now I voted for her in the 2008 primary and in 2016. To say however that she didnt have her flaws is simply ridiculous and claiming otherwise is revisionist or are we not able to look back at numerous posts on DU going back a decade. This is not a new opinion.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

betsuni

(25,122 posts)
87. She didn't vote for the crime bill, Bernie Sanders did.
Sun Mar 31, 2019, 04:00 AM
Mar 2019

He said about it: "It is my firm belief that clearly, there are people in our society who are horribly violent, who are deeply sick and sociopathic and clearly these people must be put behind bars in order to protect society from them." In other words, predators.

I guess that makes him a flawed candidate. Joe Biden too, if he runs.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

dchill

(38,320 posts)
37. Exactly correct.
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 05:06 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BeyondGeography

(39,278 posts)
53. Yup; It's like the blue wall didn't crumble and she didn't lose by 74 EV's
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 05:49 PM
Mar 2019

to Donald Freaking Trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

marlakay

(11,370 posts)
73. Its primary time things will get said
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 10:50 PM
Mar 2019

Warren and Amy talked about Joe today.

For some reason you can say things about anyone about their mistakes even Obama but if its Hillary people go nuts. She is a tough woman and didn’t need people to speak for her today.

She got more votes but unfortunately not in the right states.

She made mistakes we all do, why treat her like she will crumble, she came back from losing million times better than I would have, she has grit.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

jaceaf

(89 posts)
89. What is the point though, why now?
Sun Mar 31, 2019, 11:23 AM
Mar 2019

If he really was a great fan of her and he really wanted her to win, why not rehash this privately back in 2016?

The point of doing it now is to appeal to the racist Trump voters and to pick the easy way to raise his profile.

It's controversy to gain favor, regardless of the tactics. Good luck with that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

SWBTATTReg

(21,856 posts)
8. Some overreaction w/o giving Mayor Pete the benefit first...here's the trend ...
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 03:35 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
10. Is "we are already great" really the right message for, say
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 03:40 PM
Mar 2019

A homeless African American on the streets of South Bend?

What about all those factory workers worried about losing their jobs and hoped Trump would save them? Now that they lost their jobs, should we tell them we were really great all along, you just screwed up and voted Trump?

By a lot of measures, we are not such a great country anymore. And there are many who felt the decline most strongly who weren't in the mood to hear how great other people feel.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DavidDvorkin

(19,404 posts)
11. Oh, for God's sake
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 03:44 PM
Mar 2019

How many more of these absurd OPs are we going to see in this forum?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Celerity

(42,645 posts)
19. this!!!
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 04:08 PM
Mar 2019

The first one was exhausting work for me (I do it because I sooooo genuinely am inspired by the human known as Pete Buttigieg and hate to see him spun and wrongly slagged off)

I am not going to go into every one and slam my head against the wall

cheers

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DavidDvorkin

(19,404 posts)
39. Yes, don't bother
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 05:09 PM
Mar 2019

Those posts are intended as the beginning of a serious debate. They're intended as a political assassination.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Qutzupalotl

(14,230 posts)
13. He didn't even diss the candidate, just one message.
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 03:47 PM
Mar 2019

Which was an unnecessary echoing response to Trump’s message, and politically tone deaf.

I don’t want a leader who jumps on the bandwagon. I want a leader who keeps the bandwagon out of the ditch!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
14. As his campaign progresses he seems to get bolder with his comments about other Democrats.
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 03:52 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Celerity

(42,645 posts)
20. that article was from 2 and half months ago, when he was at zero in the polls
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 04:09 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(295,899 posts)
67. Yes, his slam on Hillary was 2 1/2 months ago..
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 10:23 PM
Mar 2019

but he was talking about 2 1/2 years ago.. and I hadn't seen it.. so appreciate it was brought to Light.



George
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

USALiberal

(10,877 posts)
75. This story was before he announced a run for president. Nt
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 11:29 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
17. He recognized that the campaign could have done better
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 04:04 PM
Mar 2019

I agree with him. If you are not willing to learn anything from 2016 campaign - please be prepeared for another 4 years of trump. We are now past the grieving time so it’s ok to talk openly. Hillary Clinton is the strongest woman alive - no amount of critisim can ever hurt her. I always thought she was brilliant and spot on when it comes to policies but I never found her an exceptional ‘politician’. She’s always been saying all the right things but many of those things were not politically savvy. E.g., when there is some islamist attack, you don’t go around with speeches the next day insisting that we need to at least double our refugee acceptance rate. Hold it for a while and focus on other things. Extracts from her speeches would then be used non-stop to hammer the campaign and inflate the drama. And, yes, she got more votes, etc. But you just don’t go anywhere close within the cheating margin of the worst candidate in the history of our country.

And if we learned one thing from 2016, it is that we should not even aknowledge trump’s existence when campaigning in general 2020 election - talk about problems and solutions instead 100% of the time.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
32. Yes, he was criticizing her messaging, not her.
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 04:37 PM
Mar 2019

Last edited Sat Mar 30, 2019, 05:16 PM - Edit history (1)

He is good at messaging, Obama and Bill Clinton were good at messaging. Hillary not so much. I am behind Pete for this very reason.

Trump knows how to message too, that's why he is so dangerous. We are fooling ourselves if we don't recognize how he zeroes in on his marks and whispers nasty nothings in their ears. He is planning to do this again, with perhaps an even more lopsided electoral victory than 2016.

Whoever our candidate is, ability to send the right message to the right people is a critical skill.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Beartracks

(12,761 posts)
40. Hey, everyone, read the above post!
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 05:11 PM
Mar 2019

Thanks!

====================

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Renew Deal

(81,801 posts)
18. Where is the quote you are offended by?
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 04:06 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Celerity

(42,645 posts)
22. here
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 04:11 PM
Mar 2019
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=42587

and I hope you take the time to read my comments down-thread in there

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(143,999 posts)
21. Attacking Hillary Clinton was a big negative
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 04:10 PM
Mar 2019

I was not impressed with Mayor Pete and this attack is a very large negative

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Celerity

(42,645 posts)
23. he did not attack Sec Clinton
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 04:13 PM
Mar 2019

he was critiquing the campaign methodology

but you know that

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(143,999 posts)
25. Good luck with getting support from Clinton supporters with these attacks
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 04:15 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Celerity

(42,645 posts)
26. I look forward to the debates
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 04:18 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(143,999 posts)
28. I look forward to the debates also
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 04:23 PM
Mar 2019

Does Pete have any accomplishments other than being the mayor of a town?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Celerity

(42,645 posts)
29. nope, he has never done a single thing other than that since birth nt
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 04:28 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
34. "couldn't break thru Trump media din"
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 04:42 PM
Mar 2019

Doh! You break through with a good messaging or not at all. Whether Pete should be our messenger or not, this tin ear tweet is the exact thing he is talking about.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

demmiblue

(36,743 posts)
35. Some people think that we are not ready for a female or gay POTUS.
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 04:45 PM
Mar 2019

Those people suck.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

elleng

(130,126 posts)
24. No dis, he didn't do such a thing.
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 04:13 PM
Mar 2019

Check your facts (if you're really interested.)

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)
27. 3 women candidates have proposed solid policy. that is all
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 04:19 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

applegrove

(118,011 posts)
30. His point is people were promised more pie as freer trade made the pie bigger
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 04:31 PM
Mar 2019

but many Americans never saw more pie.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(295,899 posts)
72. In my opinion and many others.. he went about
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 10:48 PM
Mar 2019

making his "point" the wrong way. If his plan was to be Divisive it worked.





If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
33. Sure is.
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 04:39 PM
Mar 2019

Specially since HRC was the most qualified candidate the
Democrats had ever offered.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
36. If resumes won elections, Trump never would have made it out of the primaries
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 04:50 PM
Mar 2019

Let alone coming within 2% of Clinton. Obama would not have beaten McCain. he would not have beated Hillary either. Bush Jr. would not have beaten Gore. Hell, Steven Douglas would have crushed Abraham Lincoln.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LakeArenal

(28,713 posts)
41. Resumes should matter.
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 05:18 PM
Mar 2019

They matter to everyone like me.
Some of us still like qualifications, experience and accomplishment.

Having said that Pete is great. Like him very much. Will vote for him gladly should he win the nomination.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

riverbendviewgal

(4,251 posts)
43. He did not diss her
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 05:30 PM
Mar 2019

Please don't fall into that trap the repubs are setting.

I am Canadian so can't vote. My Canadian friends and I are very interested in the next election.

We are listening and very happy the Democratics have a very full roster of great candidates.

Mayor Pete in our opinion is awesome in so many ways. I can listen to him all day. I see no disrespect of any Democratic made by him.

This guy is the real thing. Awesome.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
55. It was a diss
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 06:00 PM
Mar 2019

directed at the woman who won the actual vote by 2.9 million votes. Obama had dug the country out from under the Bush Great Recession, and handed Trump a strong economy. But Pete said this:

"Donald Trump got elected because...he pointed out the huge troubles in our economy and our democracy. At least he didn’t go around saying that America was already great, like Hillary did."

What was Hillary supposed to do? Dump on Obama to get elected? Even though Obama had done a great job despite the obstructionist Republican Congress?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(295,899 posts)
68. Yeah, he did.. and many Voters took it that way.
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 10:30 PM
Mar 2019

If he wants to slam Hillary that's his problem.


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Joe Biden
 

jalan48

(13,797 posts)
46. He disobeyed Commandment #1. Thou shalt not say anything negative about Hillary Clinton.
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 05:33 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

StevieM

(10,499 posts)
56. What are you talking about? There has never been a politician who people feel more free to trash
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 06:00 PM
Mar 2019

than Hillary Clinton.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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melman

(7,681 posts)
63. Yep
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 07:29 PM
Mar 2019

The unpardonable sin.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Autumn

(44,748 posts)
98. I swear one would think that was the first and only primary that anyone ever experienced.
Sun Mar 31, 2019, 06:46 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cha

(295,899 posts)
69. OH BULLoney. So you Admit it.. it was
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 10:32 PM
Mar 2019

"Negative". Ha!

So many on here saying it wasn't.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

JHB

(37,128 posts)
49. Clicked on this from DU home
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 05:37 PM
Mar 2019

This sort of thing is why I stay clear of this forum. We don't need Fan Club Thunderdome at this point.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Irishxs

(622 posts)
51. Agree. No one needs another "carnage" speech. We need a unity speech.
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 05:41 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cha

(295,899 posts)
70. Exactly, Irish.. So Divisive.. of course Buttigieg
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 10:34 PM
Mar 2019

is going to get some Pushback.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

BlueFlorida

(1,532 posts)
59. My sentiments exactly nt
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 06:15 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

samnsara

(17,570 posts)
60. this is a deal breaker for me..
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 06:19 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

kooth

(217 posts)
62. I'm Not Sure ...
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 07:05 PM
Mar 2019

I was dismayed at his comment about faith on "Real Time with Bill Maher." I know most politicians have to claim some faith and it's too soon to expect that there will be an atheist presidential candidate who runs openly.

I think that Pete Buttigieg isn't quite experienced enough; however, by the time the campaign really gets rolling, he may gain some better talking points. He is a great communicator.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

randr

(12,408 posts)
64. He dared to speak truth to power
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 07:37 PM
Mar 2019

and he was right. If our last candidate had showed up in the rust belt with any empathy we may not be in the spot we are in today

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Cha

(295,899 posts)
71. Bull..
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 10:44 PM
Mar 2019


Why did the "progressive" Russ Feingold lose as well?


Johnson upsets Feingold to keep Wisconsin Senate seat

GOP Sen. Ron Johnson completed a stunning comeback victory over Democrat Russ Feingold on Tuesday, winning a race that Republicans had seen as a lost cause just weeks ago and dealing a serious blow to Democratic hopes of winning the Senate majority.

Johnson had 52 percent to Feingold’s 46 percent when the race was called by three major television networks by 11:20 Eastern time, with 66 percent of precincts reporting.

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/johnson-feingold-wisconsin-senate-race-2016-election-results-231027





Second, a lot of Bernie Sanders supporters weren’t big fans of Clinton. So Stein campaigning on the idea that Clinton and Trump were similar made it harder for Clinton to win over those voters — even if Sanders voters didn’t vote for Stein, they may have stayed home out of disgust.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/jill-stein-democratic-spoiler-or-scapegoat/

Hillary talked relentlessly about Democratic issues and her plans to implement them.

The Damn US Media only Gaslighted on her emails 24/7 and trying to normalize trump.

"Hillary Clinton Just Delivered the Strongest Speech of Her Campaign ... And, The Media Barely Noticed."

March 31, 2016 ... Hillary Clinton speaks at a campaign event in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, on March 28 ...

https://www.thenation.com/.../hillary-clinton-just-delivered-the-strongest-speech-of-he...


Rigged: How Voter Suppression Threw Wisconsin to Trump

And possibly handed him the whole election.

After the election, registered voters in Milwaukee County and Madison’s Dane County were surveyed about why they didn’t cast a ballot. Eleven percent cited the voter ID law and said they didn’t have an acceptable ID; of those, more than half said the law was the “main reason” they didn’t vote. According to the study’s author, University of Wisconsin-Madison political scientist Kenneth Mayer, that finding implies that between 12,000 and 23,000 registered voters in Madison and Milwaukee—and as many as 45,000 statewide—were deterred from voting by the ID law. “We have hard evidence there were tens of thousands of people who were unable to vote because of the voter ID law,” he says.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/10/voter-suppression-wisconsin-election-2016/






If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

StevieM

(10,499 posts)
65. I am really starting to hate this guy. (eom)
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 07:59 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
77. He would make a great HUD Secretary. Maybe some day VP.
Sun Mar 31, 2019, 12:30 AM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

betsuni

(25,122 posts)
80. When blaming Democrats for what Republicans do is "speaking truth to power."
Sun Mar 31, 2019, 12:57 AM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(295,899 posts)
82. Yes, Buttigieg's plan to insult and
Sun Mar 31, 2019, 02:12 AM
Mar 2019

divide Dems is working perfectly!



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

betsuni

(25,122 posts)
83. I wonder if he thinks American manufacturing failed because of free trade deals.
Sun Mar 31, 2019, 02:37 AM
Mar 2019

Another politician claimed that "The people of Detroit know the real cost of Hillary Clinton's free-trade policies" but obviously didn't know that Detroit lost more than a third of its population from 1960 to 1990, and that the documentary "Roger & Me" -- about the 1989 GM shutdowns -- happened before NAFTA. And that one of the reasons manufacturing goes to Mexico is that it has free trade agreements with many other countries (about 45) while as of 2016 the U.S. had free trade deal with only 20.

These simplistic blame-the-Democrats attitudes are dangerous.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(295,899 posts)
84. Yeah, soundbytes.
Sun Mar 31, 2019, 02:46 AM
Mar 2019

They get their info from somewhere so it must be true. When it turns out just the opposite has happened if you do a little research.

Demagoguery is Dangerous!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

betsuni

(25,122 posts)
85. I just listened to a discussion of whether a Democrat can win the MidWest.
Sun Mar 31, 2019, 03:23 AM
Mar 2019

The answer was that it depended on the candidate, one who doesn't only play to the base but has shared American values about pocketbooks and kids and things people care about. One with empathy, authentic, with integrity.

They didn't say Hillary's name, but it was about her. Authenticity. Empathy. Integrity. Values. Economic message. I guess it's easier to think that if they just get the right person everything's going to be fine, it's about personality. They thought it was important that Obama won the MidWest and Hillary couldn't do it (although she won the working class vote): after eight years of a disastrous Republican administration of course people wanted change. They vote for change, change for the heck of it or because the economy is terrible.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(295,899 posts)
86. Yes, President Obama
Sun Mar 31, 2019, 03:45 AM
Mar 2019

had the advantage of running after the Double Disastrous bush/cheney Bloody regime.. Killed the USA, too.. economically speaking.

Good points.. do they ever take that into consideration? I'm just reminded how important that is now with your reminder!

I'm thinking our candidate and hopefully our next President will be someone who will unite us and not tear down others to build themselves up. I hate that.

Mahalo, betsuni

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primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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jaceaf

(89 posts)
88. can't vote for this dude
Sun Mar 31, 2019, 11:08 AM
Mar 2019

I am a coastal elite who voted for Hillary Clinton and proudly boycotts that nasty chicken place. I am clearly not his intended audience.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

BlueWI

(1,736 posts)
90. Dramatic much?
Sun Mar 31, 2019, 03:22 PM
Mar 2019

It's perfectly legal not to vote for Mayor Pete. One less vote won't affect his campaign at all, hardly a "fatal flaw."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

madville

(7,397 posts)
92. There's nothing wrong with recognizing the mistakes of past candidates and campaigns
Sun Mar 31, 2019, 03:49 PM
Mar 2019

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. - George Santayana


This idea that Clinton was the perfect candidate or ran a perfect campaign and is infallable is entertaining at least.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Quixote1818

(28,903 posts)
93. Oh dear Hillary! Can you believe she actually admitted she made some mistakes?
Sun Mar 31, 2019, 04:56 PM
Mar 2019

How unfair to herself was that? She should be unaware of things she could have done differently or at least not acknowledge them ever!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(295,899 posts)
94. Buttigieg's plan to insult and divide Dems
Sun Mar 31, 2019, 05:27 PM
Mar 2019

is working perfectly.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Quixote1818

(28,903 posts)
95. Yes, he seems evil and divisive.
Sun Mar 31, 2019, 05:37 PM
Mar 2019

You can tell deep down he hates people.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(295,899 posts)
96. Not "evil" just divisive.
Sun Mar 31, 2019, 05:38 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
97. He said one mild criticism 2.5 months ago,
Sun Mar 31, 2019, 06:11 PM
Mar 2019

that nobody noticed until he started to get a lot of good press. If that's his plan to divide Democrats, he really needs to step up his game.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Autumn

(44,748 posts)
99. We can expect a lot more of this. They are afraid of Pete gaining any ground.
Sun Mar 31, 2019, 06:57 PM
Mar 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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