Just Changed My Preference from Undecided to Joe Biden

[peggysue2]

To be honest? Joe Biden has always been at the top of my list because I think he gives us the best chance of knocking the Trumpster and his enablers out of orbit.

Why now?

The incoming political attacks from the Left & the Right which only underscores the threat that a Biden presidential run really represents to other candidates but more importantly to Trumplandia. Of course, I could change my mind; there are several other candidates I could easily support. But none with the knockdown power of a Joe Biden.

So for now? Joey B and his extensive experience in domestic and foreign policy is my main guy.

Biden 2020!

[BlueStater]

1. Questionable allegation aside, there's nothing about him I find appealing as a candidate.

He's near the bottom of my list.

I was around in 2007 and NO ONE back then was excited about him running for president. He was seen as a walking gaffe machine who voted for the Iraq War. None of that's changed just because he's now tied to Obama.

[UniteFightBack]

2. Well for me one of his appeals is he knows how to govern and we need someone who will get us

back in the respect column on the world stage. All our allies and foreign folks KNOW and TRUST him.

We really don't have time to afford someone a learning curve. Normally I wouldn't even care about that but have you not noticed that we have the most corrupt shaministration in the white trash house trying to dismantle our institutions?

Have you noticed it's NOT 2007? The gaffe machine is what makes him so endearing and HUMAN.

Joe will know how to put humpty back together again. GO WITH JOE.

[pnwmom]

16. When has he ever governed? Gov. Inslee been a governor. Being VP is a different kind of job. n/t

[UniteFightBack]

22. Oh right...he's only been a VP! nt

[customerserviceguy]

27. And only for eight years!

Its funny to see an Inslee supporter questioning Biden's experience. I used to live in WA state for 37 years, ending in 2007, and frankly, I didn't know what Jay Inslee looked like before his campaign launch this year. And I still have a fair amount of family and friends back in WA.

[True Blue American]

35. Joe Biden has been in the Senate

Most of his adult life? You think a good VP does not know how Government works?

[pnwmom]

38. Knowing how government works isn't the same as "how to govern."

In the past when people have referred to those with experience in how to govern, they've been talking about Governors.

People in the Senate and House have had experience in representing constituents, but not necessarily in the management side.

[True Blue American]

42. He was VP for 8 years.

Read what he concentrated on for 8 years, then tell me he does not know how to Govern.

https://www.history.com/topics/us-politics/joe-biden

His 36 years in the Senate, first elevted at the age of 29.


He concentrated on budget and infrastructure and Foreign Affairs. His work in the Senate prepared him. I have an idea President Obama relied on him for many things.

[treestar]

3. Things change

They don't stay the same.

[WheelWalker]

5. All things change. You can never step into the same river twice.

[treestar]

6. Mark Twin, Life on the Mississippi

Amazing that anyone ever managed to get a steamboat down that river without an accident!

[charlyvi]

14. Actually, Twain cribbed it from Heraclitus of Ephesus

Heraclitus of Ephesus (/ˌhɛrəˈklaɪtəs/;[1] Greek: Ἡ?ά??????? ὁ Ἐ?έ????, translit. Hērákleitos ho Ephésios; (c.?535 – c.?475 BCE) was a pre-Socratic Greek philosopher, and a native of the city of Ephesus,[2] then part of the Persian Empire. He was of distinguished parentage. Little is known about his early life and education, but he regarded himself as self-taught and a pioneer of wisdom. From the lonely life he led, and still more from the apparently riddled[3] and allegedly paradoxical[4] nature of his philosophy and his stress upon the heedless unconsciousness of humankind,[5] he was called "The Obscure" and the "Weeping Philosopher".

Heraclitus was famous for his insistence on ever-present change as being the fundamental essence of the universe, as stated in the famous saying, "No man ever steps in the same river twice"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heraclitus

[peggysue2]

7. We all have our individual preferences

My main criterion is electability, beating Donald Trump and putting Trumpism in a deep, deep grave. I think Joe Biden can win on both those scores, particularly with a wise VP choice, someone young and promising, a leaning into the future: O'Rourke, Harris, Abrams, etc.

My other concern is repairing the damage that Trump and his enablers have done, getting us back on track. Joe Biden is the only candidate with foreign policy experience and right now our relationships in the world are in absolute tatters. He attended the birth of the ACA, has a genuine and intimate experience with healthcare and the tragedies that can affect families. His ability to speak to working people from his own background is no small thing. In addition, Biden is well-liked, even beloved by many voters, gaffes notwithstanding.

Biden will need to answer a number of questions and criticisms. Anyone with a long legacy has baggage. Some find this overly burdensome for a critical election such as 2020. Personally, I'm not that concerned because I think Joe Biden is perfectly capable of answering those criticisms and his years of public service more than outweigh the negatives.

[brer cat]

11. Nice post.

His strengths outweigh the negatives imo.

[peggysue2]

28. Thanks, beer cat

It's early in the game, of course. But Joey Biden still has juice, as my Pop would say

[WeekiWater]

37. I love Biden.

And completely agree with your statement.

[Demsrule86]

44. He was a great VP...

I think he will be the nominee.

[elleng]

4. Thanks.

[madville]

8. The fact this was timed to have political impact

automatically makes it suspect. Her candidate, that she actually worked for, will stand to benefit the most from taking Joe Biden out prior to announcing his candidacy. FoxNews and the Trump campaign are also loving this since Joe would sweep the floor with Trump in the general election. FoxNews and Trump need someone farther to the left to get the nomination so they can attack that in swing states, they are scared of the more moderate and experienced candidate like Joe.

[Laurian]

39. I agree that the timing and candidate affiliation of the accuser raises questions

about motivation.

[highplainsdem]

9. Brava, and thanks! K&R

[Laurian]

10. I will as well.

The way Joe Biden is being treated pisses me off! This is the last thing we need.

[sellitman]

12. He is a good man.

Still I like Mayor Pete better.

We do have a wealth of good choices though.

[pnwmom]

17. If you didn't vote for Hillary in the general your advice is next to worthless.

It doesn't matter what she said in a debate in 2008. Anyone could see the monster Trump was in 2016.

[peggysue2]

20. As I said upthread, we will all have our individual preferences

However, being a loyal Democrat will be absolutely critical to winning in 2020, regardless of who our nominee is. We are not all going to get what we want out of the nomination process. Only one man or woman will win. Whoever that is will and should expect support from the Democratic electorate because all of these candidates are infinitely better than what we're dealing with now, an existential threat to our democratic Republic.

BTW, this is not 2016. Donald Trump has exposed himself as an arrogant and thoroughly corrupt individual. It's only the truly cult-like followers who refuse to see through the charade and the true damage the man and his enablers have done to the country and our standing in the world.

We cannot afford purity politics in 2020, not if we want to save the country. If you chose not to vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016 then you are partially responsible for Trump's wrinkled ass sitting in the WH right now. And if you're not a loyal Dem or an Indy who knows that Trump and his administration is absolutely toxic, then I fail to see why you're posting here in the first place.

Card carrying Democrats have to reach over the table?

Give me a fucking break!

[lapucelle]

21. You didn't vote for the Democratic nominee in 2016?

Have a donut before you leave.

[USALiberal]

23. Who did you vote for???? nt

[videohead5]

15. They are trying to make Joe

A sexual predator because he kissed that women on the top of the head... There was nothing sexual about it. If we are going to say this is disqualifying we are in a mess.

[pnwmom]

18. I don't know anyone who thinks that makes him a predator. But it was inappropriate

and condescending.

Men don't kiss other grown men on the tops of their heads. That's something people do to CHILDREN.

[videohead5]

26. 76 Years old

And this is the first compliant by anyone and this happened over 4 years ago.

[NBachers]

19. Joe is the candidate who remembers how government and policy work, and can put them back together.

;;

[peggysue2]

30. That's my feeling, too!

Biden has the governing knowledge and experience. And that still counts for a lot of people, particularly in the Trumpster Era.

[FakeNoose]

24. I think Joe Biden would do very well as candidate in Pennsylvania

... and I agree with all the positive things you've said here, Peggysue.

I've pledged to listen to every candidate before I make a decision, and it's still early yet. For now I am leaning for Biden, but I like a few others including Kamala and Amy. The attacks on Biden bother me a little, but I believe he can handle this if anyone can. Joe has been around the block a few times. He has appeal for party regulars and many independents.

[peggysue2]

31. Thanks, FakeNoose

I suspect you and I are on the same page on a lot of things. You're absolutely right; it is early in the process. Frankly, the current attacks on Biden got my fur up.

Btw, I love Kamala. She's neck-to-neck with Joe in my book.

[Auggie]

25. Who can best engage the unengaged? The independents? The apathetic?

Joe Biden is not my choice at the moment, but if he appeals to voters who sat out the last presidential election or voted against Clinton in protest, I'd be on board.

JUST. BEAT. TRUMP.

[peggysue2]

34. JUST. BEAT. TRUMP.

That is the drumbeat, the only thing that matters from where I sit. Right now I'm sitting in Biden's corner but if he begins to fade or the polls indicate he cannot make it to the finish line, then I'll vote for the candidate who can.

Because our vote in 2020 isn't just for a person; it's for the welfare and future of the country.

JUST. BEAT. TRUMP.

That's it in three words.

[Demsrule86]

45. Biden is why Obama changed his mind about gay marriage. He was not for it when he ran

So maybe a little research and less bashing.

[Demsrule86]

50. All this crap against Biden isn't going to work. He was VP for 8 years. And people change in 30

or forty years. Campaigns who do this will get caught and end up failing.

[sfwriter]

51. "Campaigns who do this will get caught and end up failing."

Like Trump and Hillary's emails?

Like Russia and lgbt rights, African Americans vs systemic racism, Sanders supporters and the Clinton Foundation?

They seem to have won using very minor issues to cleve off tiny bits of the electorate. I worry that Biden's long service will not serve him well. I'll want to see how he handles these issues and their relevant groups. So far on this thread, all Ive heard are denials.

[Demsrule86]

52. Already attacks of Biden and Beto are being blamed on the Sanders campaign...

Rightly or wrongly. Biden will be fine.

[sfwriter]

53. Yeah, Im sure the GOP will ignore his 40 years in politics...

[Demsrule86]

56. Those sort of attacks won't work in a general.

As long as Democrats vote for the nominee, we will be fine, Biden is well liked.

[qazplm135]

32. love Joe

but time for a woman.

[True Blue American]

33. NBC

Just announced they had not verified Flores allegations.

As a long time admirer of Joe I am not willing to accept a word after seeing her happy to be in his company after the incident.

Congratulations on your choice.

[NBachers]

36. I'm sorry that Al Franken got pushed out; I will be sorry if Joe Biden gets pushed out.

[lark]

40. Welcome aboard, think you made a good choice.

Of course, I am somewhat biased, lol.

I too am supporting the person who will most certainly beat drumpf and unite the country going in the right direction - Joe Biden!!!

[peggysue2]

46. Thanks, Lark

Yes, it's all about electability and right now I'm convinced Joe Biden has the juice to take it to the end and thoroughly repudiate Trump and his ugly, destructive Administration. Once in the WH, Joe will know exactly what moves to make, people to hire and turn the country around.

For the welfare and sanity of all of us.

[Cha]

41. I stand with Joe!

Link to tweet

Peggysue

[peggysue2]

47. Yup!

We're standing shoulder-to-shoulder, Cha.

This whole attack mode really pissed me off. We certainly don't need to repeat the Franken debacle.

Btw, that first shot is amazing.

[Cha]

48. Flores wants to Franken Biden..

"Hey, it worked against Al, didn't it?"

[Demsrule86]

43. Welcome Flores is a Sanders supporter and it'seems it is not working.

Two benefits with Biden. One PA ..He was born and raised in Scranton. Two He was vetted in 08 and VP for 8years...hard to demonize him. We need PA,MI AND WI on order to stop Trump..may get more but that is the blue wall.

[Sugarcoated]

54. PA is a lock

We love him here

[Demsrule86]

55. I love him too.

[Sugarcoated]

57. I figured you did, Demsrule86

Ohioans are similar to Pennsylvanians, similar states, blue collar and union, etc and Biden speaks so authentically to rust belters, Midwesterners as well. I think I was just saying, in PA, like, he's our boy, accent, attitude, the name is so big, like the Caseys. I hope his blue collar cred can put Ohio back in the blue column. What do you think?

[Honeycombe8]

58. Good for you, Peggy Sue!

He's on my short list. I still have reservations, though. I'm not being coy. No one is bowling me over.