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Sun Jan 26, 2020, 01:12 PM

 

53% of Bernie supporters will vote for nominee. My son says Biden is just like a Republican.

Not this again!! Not another 2016!!

First of all, my son posted a clip of Biden from 1995 where he is supporting the balanced budget amendment. Biden states he will cut Social Security and Medicare to balance the budget. Son shared it on FB, so he got it from someone, so it's making the rounds. I found the clip on YouTube.


Then I saw this article:

https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-poll-warren-biden-2020-nominee-emerson-college-1483831

Only a small majority of Bernie Sanders voters say they will definitely support the eventual Democratic nominee at the 2020 election if the independent Vermont senator does not win the race, according to a poll.

The National Emerson College Poll of 1,128 registered voters between January 21 and January 23 found that 53 percent of Sanders supporters said "yes" when asked if they would support the Democratic nominee even if it is not their candidate.

Another 31 percent of Sanders supporters said it depends on who the nominee is and 16 percent flat-out said no. The poll, conducted via landline calls and an online panel, has a 2.8 percentage point margin of error.

The poll suggests some Sanders supporters are out of step with their own chosen candidate on the question of supporting the Democratic nominee regardless of who it is.
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Reply 53% of Bernie supporters will vote for nominee. My son says Biden is just like a Republican. (Original post)
LeftInTX Jan 2020 OP
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Response to LeftInTX (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 01:15 PM

1. NOT at all surprised.

 

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 09:20 PM

80. Don't fall for this. a blue wave is coming. again..

 

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 09:46 PM

86. This is bad. Really tired of these people undermining the party.

 

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Response to Name removed (Reply #132)

Tue Jan 28, 2020, 10:52 AM

134. Higher than 53 percent would be my guess

 

I’m sure Bernie supporters would disagree.
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Response to Name removed (Reply #135)

Tue Jan 28, 2020, 10:59 AM

136. Welcome to DU

 

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Response to LeftInTX (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 01:18 PM

2. Democrats Vote for Democrats

 

People who don't do that are not Democrats. It's very simple, really.

We are having primary elections to choose the Democratic Party nominee for President. Democratic Party.

Democrats vote for Democrats, right down the ballot.
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Response to MineralMan (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 04:44 PM

30. Thank you!! Why is this even a debate!?

 

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 06:38 PM

60. Agreed. They are independents

 

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 04:24 PM

114. But we need a lot of non-Democrats to vote for our nominee

 


Mostly left-leaning independents, but some from the middle, too.

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #114)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 04:26 PM

115. Yes, and they will.

 

However, they aren't here on DU, so we can't influence them here.
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Response to MineralMan (Reply #115)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 04:27 PM

116. I don't know about that. They might be here trying to help the party reach them.

 

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #116)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 04:33 PM

117. All sorts of people come to Democratic Underground,

 

but not many real independents. Democrats and liberals of various sorts come here. Right-wingers pretending to be something else come here. But, independents usually don't.

Besides, DU has virtually zero influence on voters anyhow.
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Response to LeftInTX (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 01:20 PM

3. Tell your son that anyone who opposes Trump but doesn't vote for the Democratic nominee deserves

 

Trump and will bear some of the responsibility if Trump is re-elected.
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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 01:23 PM

5. Good advice!!!!

 

He hates Trump!!

4 years later, he now owns a house, has a child with special needs, has more responsibilities etc...He didn't have this in 2016

I'll just scream Betsy DeVos and it should sink in. Heck with ideology...
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Response to LeftInTX (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 01:22 PM

4. Not surprised, and not happy about it😡

 

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Response to LeftInTX (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 01:27 PM

6. Ultimately you have to pay for the stuff you want

 

At least the Democratic party talks about getting the revenue to do these things. There is no other option is this country. The other party is a fascist kleptocracy infused with dangerous magical thinking. This party thinks nothing of making others suffer. In fact it delights in doing it.

I was a Republican up until the invasion of Iraq. I became an independent, and eventually a Democrat. I always had a Libertarian bent.

I honestly don't think that the positions that Warren and Sanders have carved out can win Wisconsin, and, if you don't win that state, you don't win the election. I am from Iowa, but I have worked closely for many years with folks in Wisconsin. I just don't see it happening.

How could anyone who has not drunk to Kool-Aid imagine the country can survive another four years of this man and this party in control.
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Response to exboyfil (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 01:32 PM

9. The Balanced Budget Amendment would be a great debate question

 

Biden could clarify. He's done so with the Iraq War resolution..

Biden's actions speak louder than a 30 sec video clip
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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #9)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 01:39 PM

11. A better question would be what deficit to GDP and debt to GDP

 

should our country have especially in peace time and not in a recession. Neither party wants to talk about it.

The Balanced Budget Amendment was one proposed tool. I think it doesn't give the government sufficient flexibility.

Whatever Biden or Sanders or anyone else proposed 20 years ago is not really that relevant.
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Response to exboyfil (Reply #11)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 04:50 PM

33. Same. A question I never hear asked of anyone -nt

 

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #9)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 01:40 PM

12. There is nothing wrong

 

With fiscal responsibility.

We do need to pay down our debt. That requires raising taxes.
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Response to squirecam (Reply #12)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 01:44 PM

16. But Warren and Sanders already have those tax increases spent

 

on additional programs without also addressing systemic changes.
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Response to exboyfil (Reply #16)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 01:49 PM

18. Which is why

 

I support Amy. Who has an actual deficit/debt plan.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/benritz/2020/01/15/democrats-finally-debated-the-deficit-what-did-they-say/#76186d8957af
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Response to squirecam (Reply #18)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 01:51 PM

19. I do as well

 

I will be at the caucus next week supporting her. Then whoever gets the nomination.
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Response to squirecam (Reply #18)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 05:09 PM

40. Not seeing any plans at that link

 

Really, without having a specific Debt/GDP ratio, and some other numbers, saying we need to "pay down our debt" is a pretty meaningless statement. Same with "fiscal responsibility".

A big problem with the topic is that most think of the debt the same way they think about personal finances, so that is how it's communicated. It's often very wrong, but it's almost by necessity considering the extremely poor economic education level of the vast majority of people. It's very different when you get to a macro level, especially for the U.S. The fact that we print our own money, control intrest rates, and are the global currency, really changes things from how people typically think of money.
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Response to Bradical79 (Reply #40)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 05:56 PM

50. No

 

You cannot print money to tackle the debt. That leads to hyperinflation and would destroy the country. As to her plans, some are here...


https://news-photos-features.com/2019/12/05/amy-klobuchar-releases-plan-for-the-future-of-work-and-a-changing-economy/
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Response to LeftInTX (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 01:32 PM

7. Fifty-three percent?

 

NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!! IN FACT,

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Response to LeftInTX (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 01:32 PM

8. all too many straight white cis males clearly don't give a crap about those who aren't those things

 

he won't get pregnant and need an abortion, his voting rights won't be taken away, he won't be deported by ICE, his marriage won't be dissolved by the state, and I could go on and on. To call it frustrating is an understatement.
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Response to dsc (Reply #8)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 01:42 PM

14. I am an old heterosexual male, and I am with you

 

It is insanely frustrating talking to my coworkers (most have masters degrees).

I don't honestly what to tell my daughters. We all three caucused for Sanders in the last election, and strongly supported Clinton in the general election. Our country has gone insane.
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Response to dsc (Reply #8)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 01:42 PM

15. +1

 

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Response to LeftInTX (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 01:36 PM

10. I'm glad Biden doesn't now advocate for balanced budget amendment.

 

...
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Response to David__77 (Reply #10)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 05:28 PM

47. Me too.

 

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Response to David__77 (Reply #10)

Tue Jan 28, 2020, 09:48 AM

126. Yes, that's a relief!!

 


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!
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Response to LeftInTX (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 01:42 PM

13. I hope you told him that Biden is not just like a Republican

 

He is a die-hard liberal. He supporters liberal policies.
He sure as hell isn't going to cut SS or Medicare.
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Response to LeftInTX (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 01:45 PM

17. No one is entitled to anyone's vote

 

This a fact that is outside Sander's control. There is no reason to think Sanders won't try as hard as he can to convince people, just he did before. Sanders did 39 events on Clinton's behalf and I forget how many rallies with Clinton in 2016. But that is all he can do, try to convince. He has said it itself, this isn't really about him.

If another candidate can't convince people to vote for them, that's on that candidate. That is just how that is.
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Response to booley (Reply #17)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 02:12 PM

20. Sure...all candidates need to bring voters to their tent

 

but I don’t think those “Bernie or no one” voters are doing themselves any favors.

The stakes are too high this election to insist on purity tests. In my view anyone with that attitude is no different than the MAGA hat wearing Lardship supporters. My way or the highway is no way to go through life, and certainly not a way to pick a candidate for POTUS.
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Response to sdfernando (Reply #20)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 06:11 PM

55. The thing that is being missed here

 

The thing that’s being missed here is that Sanders’s supporters transcend the Democratic Party. I can guarantee you the VAST majority of registered Democrats who support Sanders in the primaries will support the eventual nominee, no matter who that may be. I certainly will, just as I did in 2016.

The nominee, if it isn’t Sanders, may well have to earn the votes of non-Democrats who support him. That might be a daunting task, as so many of these people are disaffected by the rightward lurch of the party under the influence of the Third Way movement which has been so strong in Democratic politics since the days of Bill Clinton.

Sanders reflects my values and my hopes for this country, but I’m a “Vote Blue No Matter Who” guy and always have been.


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Response to sdfernando (Reply #20)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 04:03 PM

109. Please stop saying "purity test" That isn't it.

 

I don’t think those “Bernie or no one” voters are doing themselves any favors.


Maybe Not but vote shaming has NEVER worked.

I think you should stop calling this a purity test" as that really misses how those voters see this.

Imagine if you were given a house. That's great, right? Now imagine that house is rotting from within from black mold, you will have to pay thousands in back taxes. And there's no working bathroom.
Are you being picky for not wanting this free" house"? Is a working bathroom a purity test? At what point is this house only a temporary reprieve from being homeless again?

Sure you can say your candidate isn't' like that. But millions of people disagree. Millions of people don't' feel they can vote to get rid of Trump if it only means a new trump will just come down the line 4 years later when things are even worse. Millions of Americans think the other Democratic candidates are that house. Maybe pretty on the outside but can we afford the final cost. Brushing that off as a "purity test" tells these people you really don't care what why they vote for whom they do. And if you don't' care about them, why should they listen to you?

Remember, in 2016, thousands of voters voted in swing states but left the Presidential vote blank.

We can scream and whine about how wrong that is. But unless we accept WHY that is, we will keep losing.

It's not on the voters to blindly accept that house because things could be worse. It's up to the candidate to convince the voters why they aren't' that house. It happens that Sanders has been the best at doing that.


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Response to LeftInTX (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 02:33 PM

21. BS campaign too much like trump campaign

 

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Response to LeftInTX (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 02:47 PM

22. So.... unless Bernie is the nominee

 

we keep trump.
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Response to LeftInTX (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 03:42 PM

23. We already have national polls showing Biden mopping up the floor with Trump

 

Other polls aren't that important wrt the GE.
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Response to LeftInTX (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 04:36 PM

24. I hope you set your son straight because he if thinks Joe is just like a puke he sure ain't paying

 

attention.
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Response to UniteFightBack (Reply #24)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 04:40 PM

26. I know

 

Who knows where he gets this stuff. He hates Trump. He loved Obama.
I'll bug him after the primaries. I gotta convince him to re-elect our county chair and a few other down ballot races in the primary. (Those are the tricky ones around here)
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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #26)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 04:42 PM

27. He loved Obama??? But then says that about Joe? Oh kids these days! LOL. nt

 

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Response to LeftInTX (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 04:39 PM

25. When someone says Democrats are just like Republicans, ask them about social issues

 

like gay rights, and have them explain their comments in that context. One will probably find that that person does not care about social issues.
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Response to LeftInTX (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 04:43 PM

28. Who said if you show me who you are I believe it?

 

BS is doing the same thing he did in 2016.
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Response to LeftInTX (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 04:44 PM

29. Young people are telling Dems to move to the left instead of staking out the center.

 

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #29)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 04:49 PM

32. Hopefully this is what it is...And I hope it's just a primary thing.

 

He's got a special needs daughter now (who wasn't yet born in 2016). All I have to say is Betsy DeVos and I think he will forget about ideology.

I really don't care who he votes for in the primary. His vote will be extremely dilute anyway.
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Response to LonePirate (Reply #29)

Tue Jan 28, 2020, 10:00 AM

129. Good advice!! Maybe we should be listening to young people, who's future is most at risk!!

 

Bernie is sure listening to them... and to the working class in this country, which splains the Bernie Surge in the polls!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!
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Response to LeftInTX (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 04:46 PM

31. "Biden states he will cut Social Security and Medicare to balance the budget"

 

This seems significant.
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Response to melman (Reply #31)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 04:50 PM

34. He said it in 1995 when Congress was trying to pass the Balanced Budget Amendment

 

He did not say it now or has he said he is planning on it.
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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #34)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 05:02 PM

38. Things said in 1995 don't matter?

 

Ah yes...I forgot. Biden's "experience" is very very important but his record is irrelevant.
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Response to melman (Reply #38)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 05:17 PM

41. In 1995 Democrats, including Biden, wanted to lighten the sentences for crack cocaine, but Sanders..

 

....didn't agree, he wanted to strengthen the sentences for powder cocaine.

How's that for a record?
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Response to George II (Reply #41)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 05:21 PM

43. Whataboutism

 

Still, it's nice of you to acknowledge Joe Biden's history of advocating cuts to SS.
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Response to melman (Reply #43)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 05:23 PM

44. Nope. As I've been saying about discussions like this, "sameaboutism".

 

I never acknowledged Biden't "history of advocating cuts to SS", because it NEVER happened. I'm not one to acknowledge anything that didn't happen. You?

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Response to melman (Reply #43)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 07:27 PM

70. Let's try a little honesty here, shall we?

 

Biden advocated freezing SS cost-of-living increases for ONE year back in the 80s...along with all other federal spending...

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2020/jan/22/fight-between-joe-biden-and-bernie-sanders-over-so/

Hardly the "cuts" you're insisting he supported.

https://www.ontheissues.org/Joe_Biden.htm#Social_Security
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Response to Cornell Engineer (Reply #70)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 07:35 PM

71. "ONE year back in the 80s''

 

Your own link disproves this.
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Response to melman (Reply #71)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 07:43 PM

72. Still waiting

 

for links that show Biden advocated "cuts" as opposed to COLA adjustments.

With the Iowa caucuses two weeks away, the Bernie Sanders campaign is rolling out oppo research showing that Mr. Biden once said he’d consider cost-of-living “adjustments” in Social Security. In Bernie-speak, this always means “cuts.”

Or maybe we just aren't speaking the same language.

I just recently started receiving SSI and wouldn't mind taking a temporary freeze if everybody else is sharing the burden to help get the federal deficits under control.
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Response to Cornell Engineer (Reply #72)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 03:16 PM

101. Don't hold your breath... (nt)

 

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Response to Cornell Engineer (Reply #70)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 04:05 PM

111. yes lets be honest

 

https://theintercept.com/2020/01/25/joe-biden-social-security/

Also on that politifact


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Response to booley (Reply #111)

Tue Jan 28, 2020, 08:30 PM

137. I guess you're one of those who believes a temporary freeze means a permanent cut

 

I'll see your Intercept and raise you a Vox...

The Bernie-Biden clash over Social Security, explained

https://www.vox.com/2020/1/22/21074069/joe-biden-social-security-bernie-sanders

Much of this controversy has been fueled by David Sirota who is basically a Twitter attack dog that Sanders hired. Some of his claims are demonstrably false...like the one that claims Biden was lauding Paul Ryan.

Biden is a long-time deficit hawk. Like I said I would be willing to forego a couple lousy COLA increases if Joe feels it's necessary to get major concessions from the Republicans on raising taxes on the wealthy and corporations. But you can rest assured Biden is not about to slash SSI or Medicare as some have suggested. I have confidence that if Biden makes some of us sacrifice a little then others who are much better off will have to give up a lot more. As the article above mentions Obama pretty much felt the exact same way although neither was successful during Barack's two terms thanks to Republican intransigence and unwillingness to compromise.

Or we could go Bernie's preferred way...although I doubt SSI and Medicare would last very much longer if the federal debt skyrockets by $1 or $2 trillion every year.

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Response to George II (Reply #41)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 04:16 PM

112. BOOM!

 

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #34)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 05:25 PM

45. He didn't even "say" it, he hypothetically spoke about freezing (not CUTTING) SS in a 19-second....

 

...video in which he explained that he wasn't advocating that. Of course, the 2 minutes before and 2 minutes after that 19 seconds was omitted.
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Response to George II (Reply #45)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 06:43 PM

63. Thanks for pointing this out!!!

 

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Response to George II (Reply #45)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 08:07 PM

73. FactCheck

 

Biden vs. Sanders on Social Security and Medicare

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/01/biden-vs-sanders-on-social-security-and-medicare/

Readers can decide for themselves if Biden really wants to "slash" SSI and Medicare.
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Response to LeftInTX (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 04:51 PM

35. Ask him if he would refuse to take his sick child...

 

to a doctor because his preferred doctor was not accepting new patients.
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Response to Purrfessor (Reply #35)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 04:52 PM

36. Good one!!

 

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Response to LeftInTX (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 04:55 PM

37. He has a lot to learn. nt

 

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Response to doc03 (Reply #37)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 05:04 PM

39. When push comes to shove, I think he'll be pragmatic.

 

This is what he shared:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=101&v=XBHlGFZCwu8&feature=emb_title

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Response to LeftInTX (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 05:20 PM

42. only 53%? Thats shit.. we have all said we would support BS if hes the nom...

 

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Response to samnsara (Reply #42)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 05:27 PM

46. Yep. Purity is a helluva drug, I guess.

 

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Response to samnsara (Reply #42)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 06:46 PM

65. That's not true.

 

Many of Joe's supporters have not committed to voting for Sanders if he is the nominee.
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Response to brutus smith (Reply #65)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 08:47 AM

87. Care to share the source for that? And what "many" means numerically?

 

Facts and citations make one's quantifiable statements credible.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #87)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 09:07 AM

88. My asking the question on here.

 

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Response to brutus smith (Reply #88)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 09:09 AM

89. You got nothing but vague accusations.

 

No surprise.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #89)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 09:57 AM

91. Speaking of vague accusations, are you going to vote for Sanders if he is the Dem nominee?

 

No wordsmithing either. Simple yes or no.
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Response to brutus smith (Reply #91)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 09:58 AM

92. Yes. Disappointed?

 

Fish ain't biting...

I'd also choose a white convertible rather than a blue one if I won the Publisher's Clearinghouse Sweepstakes, in case you were wondering.

And....we've gone from vague, unsubstantiated accusations to....

Red herring is a kind of fallacy that is an irrelevant topic introduced in an argument to divert the attention of listeners or readers from the original issue.


https://literarydevices.net/red-herring/

What's next? More wishful thinking?

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #92)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 10:26 AM

93. Disappointed? Nope!

 

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Response to brutus smith (Reply #93)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 10:27 AM

94. Sorry you wasted your popcorn.

 

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Mon Jan 27, 2020, 10:47 AM

96. Actually, it was pretty good!

 

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Response to brutus smith (Reply #96)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 10:52 AM

97. Expensive, tho. Especially when the movie doesn't turn out to

 

be what you anticipated at all.

But...you pays your money, and you takes your chances. Sometimes you just lose.



My popcorn was delicious and very much worth the show.

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Mon Jan 27, 2020, 12:55 PM

98. Movie turned out fine.

 

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Response to brutus smith (Reply #98)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 03:02 PM

99. Yeah, keep telling yourself that.

 

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Mon Jan 27, 2020, 04:03 PM

108. Yep

 

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Response to brutus smith (Reply #108)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 04:03 PM

110. Tagurit

 

lulz

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #110)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 06:25 PM

122. Now you are.

 

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Mon Jan 27, 2020, 06:45 PM

124. Lulz. Ask Melman how this turns out.

 

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Tue Jan 28, 2020, 09:27 AM

125. The only people I know who are narcissists are repubs.

 

I guess you're the exception.
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Response to LeftInTX (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 05:31 PM

48. Was there any real question? Most knew this was coming the day he announced.

 

thing is, it's reciprocal this time. There are many who will not support him if he does win.

His followers argument before was couldn't we win without his supporters?

Now I ask, can he win without the Democratic Party base that he, and especially his surrogates shits on every chance they get?
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Response to Amimnoch (Reply #48)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 06:44 PM

64. That's an unfortunate attitude

 

I support Sanders, but am a “Vote Blue No Matter Who” guy. I can guarantee you that most Sanders supporters who are registered Democrats will vote for the eventual nominee, whoever it is. His independent supporters, and there are many, will likely have to be convinced.

I urge you to join me in voting for our eventual nominee, no matter who it is. Or, we can keep trump....
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Response to LeftInTX (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 05:40 PM

49. Gallup poll taken from March 2008: just 59 percent of Clinton supporters said they'd vote for Obama.

 

According to a Gallup poll taken at the end of March 2008, only 59 percent of Clinton supporters said they’d vote for Obama and 28 percent of them said they’d vote for John McCain. Likewise, a Washington Post survey from May of that year found 26 percent of Clinton supporters promising to vote McCain and only 64 percent promising to vote for Obama.

As the Post noted on Wednesday, though, “Obama’s support among Clinton primary supporters rose from 64 percent in May to 73 percent in mid-September, 79 percent in mid-October and 83 percent by Election Day, according to [a CNN] exit poll.”

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2016/06/obama-says-democrats-will-unite-like-in-2008-will-they.html


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Response to LeftInTX (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 06:00 PM

51. I was also hoping we were past this.

 

I guess there is a class of Americans that can wait out another four years of Trump to get their unicorn.
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Response to RandySF (Reply #51)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 06:06 PM

52. I know...me too

 

You would think that Trump being president would motivate them. This is disturbing.
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Sun Jan 26, 2020, 06:06 PM

53. It is the culture espoused straight from the top - not surprising

 

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Response to LeftInTX (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 06:07 PM

54. Small Majority?????

 

Well is it small OR is it the majority????

Geez what a dumb thing for a Newsweek reporter to write.

The phrase is small minority.
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Response to Farmer-Rick (Reply #54)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 06:15 PM

56. 53% said they would support the nominee, so this is a small majority.

 

47% won't commit, so they are a large minority. There is no small minority involved here.
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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #56)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 06:29 PM

58. 53% is a majority and is not small.

 

Dumpy Trumpy got a fewer percentage of votes and was announced as the winner of a rigged election. 53% is a good healthy majority.

This is ridiculous. There is no such common phrase of "small majority" and it has no real meaning. It is a mixed metaphore. And is a poorly constructed descriptor.

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Response to Farmer-Rick (Reply #58)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 06:40 PM

62. Oh really???

 

If 47% of Democrats said they were going to have a tantrum and not vote if their person didn't get the nod??

BTW 87% of Biden and 90% of Warren supporters will support the nominee.....


Are you minimizing the consequence of 47% of Dem voters to sit out an important election??
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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #62)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 06:51 PM

66. Now 47% is a minority. Minorities are by nature considered small

 

Are you minimizing the consequences of bad English, shotty reporting and bad journalism?
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Response to Farmer-Rick (Reply #66)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 07:22 PM

68. "..the consequences of bad English, shotty.."..it's shoddy

 

53% is a small majority...a majority by ONLY 3%.
Not SHODDY reporting or "bad English"
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Response to AncientGeezer (Reply #68)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 09:03 PM

75. It's a joke.......geez

 

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Sun Jan 26, 2020, 09:09 PM

78. A joke so good you tpld it 3x's..c'mon. Please.

 

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Response to AncientGeezer (Reply #78)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 09:21 PM

81. Judge much? Who died and made you the arbiter of how often

 

I play with my own posts? It could be 25...what do you care?

You really need to relax before you explode.

Yet, you object to shotty...which was a play on shitty, but have no problem with "small majority". A really bad descriptor written by what is suppose to be a journalist in a major news outlet. You have your priorities mixed up.

And if I want edit my joke seven ways to Sunday you just have to live with it.

Editting
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Response to LeftInTX (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 06:20 PM

57. I'm a Democrat.

 

I'm voting for the nominee. Period.
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Response to LeftInTX (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 06:36 PM

59. Hopefully he'll figure it out

 

There is no such thing as pie in the sky, though it has a powerful allure to those just coming of age as far as politics go.
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Response to LeftInTX (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 06:39 PM

61. This is a GOOD thing

 

He brings in people who would otherwise vote for trump or not vote at all: aka independents. Yang does the same.
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Response to LeftInTX (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 06:57 PM

67. Which candidate running for the Democratic nomination has also suggested the same thing about Biden?

 

Which candidate running for the Democratic nomination has also suggested the same thing about Biden? Which candidate running for the Democratic nomination is poisoning the well by denigrating the party and claiming that the Democrats are "the party of the elite" or "the party of the one percent"? What good purpose does it serve to accuse the Democratic party of being "corrupt" or being "ideologically bankrupt"??

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Sun Jan 26, 2020, 07:26 PM

69. 90% of Bernie's supporters voted for Hillary in the 2016 GE

 

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Response to iwannaknow (Reply #69)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 09:25 PM

84. 100% will need to support the nominee.

 

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Response to 33taw (Reply #84)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 03:26 PM

103. true. however, only 88% of clinton backers supported obama. remember puma?

 

party unity my ass
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Mon Jan 27, 2020, 03:50 PM

107. Obama benefited from Bush failures and above average voter turnout with minorities..

 

This is a different ballgame.
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Tue Jan 28, 2020, 09:53 AM

127. DETAILS DETAILS! Will NEVER forget PUMA btw...remind me again how "Bernie Bros" were involved in dat

 




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Response to 33taw (Reply #84)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 03:28 PM

104. i will support whoever the nominee is

 

and i hope everyone else does
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Mon Jan 27, 2020, 04:50 PM

119. We'd be fools not too. I don't care who the nominee is, he or she has my vote.

 

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Response to 33taw (Reply #84)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 05:07 PM

120. 100% is too high of a bar to set

 

We are never gonna get 100% of anything, now will Republicans. Even an amazing candidate like Obama didn't get 100% of Democrats to support him. Reagan didn't get 100% of Republicans either. No one will ever.
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Response to Polybius (Reply #120)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 05:21 PM

121. 90% of Sanders voters was to little. So, whoever the nominee is, we all need to support him or her.

 

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Tue Jan 28, 2020, 09:56 AM

128. I expect most WILL support Bernie in the general... Bernie has a way of uniting people

 

for the common good.


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Response to LeftInTX (Original post)

Sun Jan 26, 2020, 08:30 PM

74. Ezra Klein gets it...

 

Why Democrats Still Have to Appeal to the Center, but Republicans Don’t

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/24/opinion/sunday/democrats-republicans-polarization.html
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Sun Jan 26, 2020, 09:06 PM

76. No matter what, NONE of those running for the Dem nomination are Trump.

 

That is the most important issue in the 2020 election ~~ GET RID OF THE PIECE OF SHIT IN THE WHITE HOUSE!!!!!!
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Sun Jan 26, 2020, 09:07 PM

77. Why we need a full vetting of ALL candidates' record before voting starts.

 


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Sun Jan 26, 2020, 09:10 PM

79. Your son is ill informed.

 

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Sun Jan 26, 2020, 09:23 PM

82. Bernie will need the support of all dems.

 

I would not alienate individuals who support other candidates.
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Tue Jan 28, 2020, 10:03 AM

130. And yet few seem all that concerned bout alienating Bernie's supporters, cept for Bernie supporters!

 


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Sun Jan 26, 2020, 09:24 PM

83. That is just as self-destructive as Trump's cult voting for him

 

Not voting for the Democratic candidate because it's not Bernie is, in my opinion, as dumb as the rednecks voting for Trump. It's voting against their self-interest.
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Sun Jan 26, 2020, 09:25 PM

85. The difference between 2016 and 2020 is 2018

 

As George W. Bush once said, fool me once can't get fooled again. 2018 is proof that with the Dems, Indeps and sane Republicans, Trump* can be beaten. Just look how many swing and even red districts the Dems picked up. Yes, some will still vote 3rd party, write someone in and or cast a throw away protest vote, but the rest of us will ban together to defeat the vile dangerous treasonous Trump*
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Mon Jan 27, 2020, 09:41 AM

90. Are you under the impression Biden doesn't need to earn these votes?

 

2016 should have taught us this lesson: take no votes for granted. Biden, should he be fortunate enough to gain the nomination, needs to reach out to organize these voters.

Also, the poll isn't clear: will they simply not vote? Vote for a left 3rd party (Green? P & F?)? Vote for Trump?
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Response to LeftInTX (Original post)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 10:43 AM

95. I personally...

 

...will vote for whoever the nominee will be...

...but Bernie 'inspires'...

...he inspires love, togetherness and a new direction...





"We are all in this together."

...I believe most of us will remember this...

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Response to LeftInTX (Original post)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 03:15 PM

100. I'm sure your son is a bright kid otherwise...

 

... perhaps politics ain't his thing?
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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #100)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 04:18 PM

113. He just invited me to a private Bernie for President Group

 

Groan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I want him to be engaged and I'm glad he's engaged. I'm happy that he's supporting Bernie. Bernie is not my personal choice. But as a precinct chair, we don't endorse, especially for president. I have an obligation to voters to be neutral. Also I put in an application as delegate for Joe Biden with Amy and Warren as my alternate preferences.

Family political drama of a different kind.
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Response to LeftInTX (Original post)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 03:25 PM

102. this time that interference could cost us our democracy...its not even 'cute' any more..

 

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Response to LeftInTX (Original post)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 03:31 PM

105. heard same crap from "bernie brother" people in 2016. As much bull crap then and as it is now,

 

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Response to beachbumbob (Reply #105)

Mon Jan 27, 2020, 04:35 PM

118. Disinformation is a common campaign tactic.

 

We're fairly smart here on DU, so we recognize it when we see it.
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Mon Jan 27, 2020, 06:27 PM

123. Yep, it's 2016 all over again. Same shit, different day.

 

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Tue Jan 28, 2020, 10:03 AM

131. "Biden is just like a Republican." Yep. Sanders Kool-Aid.

 

Sanders knows if you repeat lies enough vulnerable people will believe them. So he does. The decades-long version, of course, is "Democrats are just like Republicans."

He really believes this slur against all of us despite daily contradictions for decades.

He really repeats this despicable, conviction-destroying lie virtually every day.

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Tue Jan 28, 2020, 10:26 AM

133. My corporate CPA sister and general manager daughter have said they wouldn't vote for Bernie or Liz.

 

Both will vote for Biden, Kloburchar, Buttigieg or Bloomberg. They are moderate Dems and moderate Independents and will not support the big changes Liz and Bernie want.

Way too many Bernie supporters are actually more prone to vote for drumpf madness than a Democrat because it's Sanders madness & anger they like and don't care about his policies. Anyone who likes Bernie for his policies, and I do have friends like that and I used to be in that boat, likes the left wing aspect and will vote for Dems if he isn't the nominee.
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