Brutal Biden ad against Mayor Pete.

[dewsgirl]

Link to tweet

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[InAbLuEsTaTe]

1. Nice Joe... takin the gloves off I see! Will only HELP Mayor Pete the way it's helped Bernie surge!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join The Revolution!!

[doc03]

2. What has Pete actually done in a small town that qualifies him to be president?

Of all the hundreds of small towns what makes South Bend stand out above the others?
I have never been to South Bend what makes it special?

[unitedwethrive]

17. The way I judge candidates has much more to do with their character and intelligence.

A good leader is one who knows that they don't know everything, and is adept at delegating. They are able to take and synthesize large amounts of advice and opinion, and come up with the most appropriate plan for any given problem.

Good leaders surround themselves with those who offer a variety of viewpoints.

Nothing about being a senator, or any other government job, can prepare someone to be president. Sure, they may have a better idea of how things have been done in the past, but experienced advisors can provide the same insight. Leadership has far more to do with being bold, moral and intelligent. I'm still not convinced on who I support, but I think we all know from experience, that the character of our President is the most important factor.

[emmaverybo]

32. He did some totally tone-deaf and I will say it--bad--things to AA's in his community. They were not

on his radar in South Bend and he was unresponsive when they wanted answers and to be listened
to. Then to add insult to injury his campaign blamed their homophobia for their deserved criticism, which was particularly offensive because that label is often lobbed at AA communities as a false stereotype.

I could go on. Bad enough his lack of leadership and empathy in South Bend, but when he tried to
rescue himself with The Frederick Douglas Plan, he stepped in it some more, offending more.

Come back when you don’t know it all, Pete. In the meantime, listen and learn.

[Steven Maurer]

37. His black police chief committed felony wiretapping...

...of a meeting of racist police, putting the Mayor in an impossible position.

Side with a law enforcement officer committing a crime? Or... punish a black officer for exposing racism?

The racists were all fired. They sued the city for invasion of privacy and won $500,000.

[emmaverybo]

38. Well, my first take too was that he was in a tough position. Further research and into more issues

and I have come to a different place. I understand his lack of AA support, stemming in good part
from South Bend, complicated by terrible Frederick Douglas plan roll-out, and feel he is responsible for it, deservedly so.

[denem]

40. Of more importance, Buttigieg had been mayor for a month.

Much like 'DADT' he was ambushed on assuming office.

[emmaverybo]

45. Did not realize that. Also fired Fire Chief. Had years to recruit black officers, to meet with AA

community, discover needs and concerns, listen to, form relationships with, improve life for. His gentrification projects put a burden on AA property owners because they were whomped with code violations, fines, huge bills to comply.

There’s more, but you know if people essentially won’t believe black people, make excuses, refuse to hold the mayor responsible, it’s like hurting this community all over again. I will say this: Mayor Pete can not point to actions he took to address AA community issues over the course of his tenure because he didn’t until the flashpoint. At least he’s not fudging about his inaction.

Not even going to discuss the Frederick Douglas plan except to say that until he found himself in political trouble for lack of black support, he had no plan. His theme was transformational politics and economics and generational change. No black people figured in it. None were consulted when
he had a plan drawn up to solve all racial inequities. And then endorsements were solicited with a must opt out system, otherwise you are in.

Oh, and the homophobia charge. So his campaign used the stereotype of homophobic black people to blame for their real and substantive complaints. Buttigieg is very lucky his top tier white competitors are not harping on his failed relationship with South Bend AA residents.

He has much to learn and to try to repair. I hope he goes home to do his job. He was trying, but maybe he just needs to listen much more.



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[denem]

46. I agree with you completely.

Buttigieg is going to bomb in the south. Actions speak louder than words, but black antipathy towards Pete has taken on a life of its own.

[emmaverybo]

47. Damn. Thought I was raging into the howling wind. Just don't think AA community was on his radar.

Then, running, he made things worse. I hope when he returns, he starts getting it. Forget your ambitions for awhile Pete, you have years. You need to get to know some folks right in your own backyard.

[dalton99a]

64. +1. Buttigieg is a failed mayor in terms of racial relations

But not many people knew about it until the police shooting

No one should accuse him of racism. However, there is a long pattern of benign neglect, insensitivity and tone deafness

[emmaverybo]

67. No. And I don't and would never, as I feel his failure was in an inability to build relationships

based on trust with the AA community due to the very factors you cite.

[krissey]

43. He is smart, will hire smart. That works for me.

[SKKY]

48. Just to play devil's advocate, what had Obama done that...

...qualified him to be president?? And I think we wouLd all agree that He turned out OK.

[emmaverybo]

59. More that was directly relevant to the presidency. He was a constitutional scholar, taught

constitutional law, became a civil rights attorney, became a very successful community organizer, working across divisions to find solutions, then a U.S. senator from Illinois and an Illinois state senator.

Worked on some important legislation, wrote two memoirs reflecting on race, religion, relationships; these were works of self-examination, charting his emotional and intellectual growth. Gave the Dem convention keynote speech. So an emergent star in Washington, familiar with legislative workings and the national political scene.

Obama was called inexperienced, but he had higher level political experience than Pete, a profile as a writer and thinker, and was perhaps one of the most skilled and gifted public speakers of our age. In addition, he had powerful charisma that transcended political divisions and identities, making him a very effective and inspirational leader and uniter.

Obama would have been able to sit down with members of the AA community,the police force, the police chief, and work on solutions. He’d have had in place a task force to determine concerns and conflicts, rooted out racism in the PD, not have said he had to fire the police chief to comply with FBI investigation when this was not true, and have held town halls to bring the community together where he’d have listened to their complaints about policing long before a young man was killed and the community inflamed.

He would have done a whole hell of a lot more about the serious racial inequities in his city than put up lights and aesthetically pleasing road markers.

[gollygee]

3. This ad doesn't do much for me

Cherry picking out the silliest things he's dealt with as mayor? I get that he has more experience, but this ad isn't something that screams "statesman" to me. And I am looking less for experience than vision, intelligence, and leadership ability.

[cwydro]

11. I agree.

Hope he doesn’t try that “just a mayor” stuff on Bloomberg.

I don’t think it’ll work with Pete, and it won’t work with Bloomberg.

Ugly, negative ads turn me off, especially Dem against Dem.

[DesertRat]

20. Dem against Dem negative ads turn me off too

If Pete becomes the nominee, this ad will play right into the GOP narrative about him.

[Ferrets are Cool]

28. I'm with you. Fight the REAL ENEMY. nt

[BlueWI]

25. Agreed.

I'm not likely to vote for Mayor Pete in the primaries, but focusing on decisions about landscaping and pets is disingenuous. Re-litigating hiring and firing decisions in a commercial is one-sided.

I'm not a Biden supporter either, but I would prefer to see him focus on his past record and future vision, since that's what matters most to Democrats. I disagree with an earlier post that suggested that Sanders or Castro would write a reductive ad like this. Not a smart move by the Biden camp.

[fishwax]

31. me either, for much the same reasons

I do think that experience is valuable, but running down the PB's experience doesn't do anything positive, as far as I'm concerned.

[myohmy2]

4. WOW...

...what a surprising ad...

[dewsgirl]

5. Definitely surprising.

[SMC22307]

6. It's nasty and Biden just became the last candidate I'd vote for.

Aside from Tulsi and Mari-what's-her-face.

[Celerity]

9. let's all do the decorative dog whistle dance, not once but twice, with lights and bricks!

and a condescending snotty vice chirping in just the right tenor and tone. Oh so colourful too!!! like a bloody rainbow maybe?



And toss in a shot of a pussycat, accompanied by lame clownish tunes for good measure.

Plus he did not fire the police chief.

Boykins resigned when confronted with the fact he was under federal investigation for illegal wiretapping, took it back the next day, and was simply demoted. He served out his career and retired a couple years ago with a full pension.


Disgusting advert



here is a great source with full documentation about the Boykins case and how the whole Sirota/JD/TYT/DSA/BoBer crowd has been camping down in South Bend for close to a year now, trying to dig up dirt and smear Pete


'Racist' TYT reporter continues smear campaign against Buttigieg

October 25, 2019

https://orderofthecoif.wordpress.com/2019/10/25/racist-tyt-reporter-continues-smear-campaign-against-buttigieg/

The Young Turks today published the latest in a series of articles about Pete Buttigieg that they’ve characterised as “investigative reporting”. As will be shown in this article, these articles by Jonathan Larsen constitute nothing less than a sustained smear campaign that breaks all the basic rules of good, objective journalism. Mr Larsen consistently relies upon anonymous sources with suspect motivations, and often misleads his readers about the nature of documents on which he purports to rely.

The articles have also consistently pressed the most slanted and unfavourable interpretation against Mr Buttigieg, and relied substantially on innuendo and conspiracy theory dressed up as searching questions. The articles have sought to create an impression that Mr Buttigieg is engaging in racist policies or corrupt conduct, while failing to establish corroborated facts that actually support such an interpretation. This article will also set out Mr Larsen has questions to answer about his own conduct, which has been alleged in open court to include racist bullying, harassment and racial discrimination. Cenk Uygur should explain why a reporter credibly accused of racist conduct is allowed to continue on his staff while the issue remains unresolved.

Secret Tapes

The matter begins in January 2012 when Mr Buttigieg commenced his first term as Mayor of South Bend. Upon taking up a mayoralty, an Indiana mayor will determine who their chief of police shall be. The incumbent is not guaranteed to be appointed to continue under the new mayor. The incumbent chief in South Bend was Chief Darryl Boykins, an African-American police officer who enjoyed the confidence and respect of the community. Mr Buttigieg interviewed three candidates from the South Bend Police Department; Chief Boykins and division chiefs Steve Richmond and Tim Corbett. Mayor Buttigieg decided, based on his performance as chief and his good relations with the community, to reappoint Chief Boykins.

It has been alleged that six days after Mayor Buttigieg took office, on 6th January, 2012, Chief Boykins called division chief Richmond into his office and, “berated him for having been disloyal to him by seeking his job and for being a ‘backstabber'”. Chief Boykins also told Richmond that he had been wiretapping his and other senior officers phone lines, and that “he would fire anyone he determined to be disloyal”. It is also said that on 17th January, Richmond spoke to Karen DePaepe, SBPD Director of Communications, and asked her whether it was true that his line had been tapped. DePaepe responded that the chief requested a line tap “the day he promoted you to division chief”.

Richmond and other officers whose phone lines it transpired had been tapped by DePaepe at the request of the chief since 2010, went to the US Attorney for the Northern District of Indiana, a Democrat Mr David Capp (who was incidentally later fired by Donald Trump), to complain about the taps which they interpreted to be illegal breaches of their constitutional 4th amendment rights. The FBI commenced an investigation of Chief Boykins, and Mayor Buttigieg was informed. Prior to this the mayor was unaware of the existence of the tapes. The US Attorney informed the mayor that if Chief Boykins was quietly dispensed with as head of the SBPD, they would agree not to press charges.

snip

a lot more at the link, all documented

[femmedem]

21. And the worst is that I am sure Biden and his campaign team know

That Pete demoted, as opposed to fired, the chief and why.

Sadly, this may end up hurting them both: Pete because some people will be swayed, and Biden because it undercuts one of his greatest perceived strengths, his decency.

So glad you're back.

[Celerity]

24. Thanks so much, its been a crazy 2 months for us in real life

[BlueWI]

26. Welcome back!

Sorry about the ad. Congrats on Iowa!

[Celerity]

29. Helooooo, thankies!!!

I think Warren will do well Tuesday. She got third in Iowa and did well in the debate. I wish she had been more assertive and seized time. She had the biggest crowd of supporters at the big NH all Dem event tonight.

[BlueWI]

30. Thanks!

Warren is a positive campaigner and a heroine of mine, win or lose. Cheers and all best!!

[jmg257]

10. Wow - kaBoom!

[Mad cow]

12. The ad offends me.

I am struck by the contrast he made in the "fight" sequence. Biden taking on a nuclear Iran is a noble cause, but it was terribly undignified to contrast it with a pet law when Buttegieg is a war veteran.

[MerryBlooms]

23. Same.

[emmaverybo]

49. Pete Buttigieg offended numerous AA people.And this ad doesn't address that. It goes easy.

Pete offended me and other older people when he attacked with his glib “status quo” labeling and
“Washington Insider” bull, acting as if a man of Biden’s accomplishments didn’t know a gig economy from a gigabyte. Biden alluded to Buttigieg’s immature arrogance and Whoopi reminded him that he is standing on some shoulders he is dissing.

His line of attack has been that he represents what’s fresh, and Biden, the past. Guess he does not realize world leaders hoped Biden would run when he met up with them in Munich last year because they know he can restore America’s alliances and preserve NATO. Maybe that’s not fresh enough as an idea. Oh, I forgot. Pete was a financial analyst in Afghanistan.

Innocent Pete brought AA criticism on himself, just as he brought on Biden’s ad in compensating for his own utter lack of experience by dog whistling Biden’s age. Buttigieg is playing in the big leagues now. His snarky crap got a smack down.

Thanks for fighting back Joe!

[Mad cow]

65. I don't think of the ad as a smack down

Most of the comparisons the ad invokes are petty. I live near South Bend and the thing about the lights, the brick sidewalks, snd the pet law are stupid. Not exactly a smack down. There are legitimate things to criticize him for, but those aren't it. I think this ad will backfire.

As far as the AA issues Biden went easy on, why? If there are legitimate concerns, air those. Did the brain trust decide those other lame reasons resonated more? Pete's not my guy at this point, but I could go on about how those lights and that brick sidewalk are nothing to mock. The bricks are actually most likely pervious pavers, an environmental consideration in support of a consent decree related to stormwater control - that illuminated river is a valued natural resource in these parts. The ad personally offends me because my job and my livelihood are related to preserving and enhancing that river quality, so minimizing his efforts as some kind of lame joke raises my ire. This is my community. Our local concerns are legitimate and portraying them as some sort of embarassing joke shows just how out of touch the ad team is.

I think you should be careful about the "financial analyst" in Afghanistan quip. I'm not arguing he was the world's greatest combat veteran, but he did serve as an armed driver in Kabul for some of the time. He also made that choice when he could have stayed home in South Bend. No doubt it was a calculated move related to his political aspirations, but a spade is a spade.

I'm not minimizing AA concerns, but if that's the argument, perhaps the ad should have made it.

[emmaverybo]

66. It wasn't Joe's argument. He could have talked about how Pete's gentrification burdened AA

homeowners with code violations costing thousands upon thousands in some cases to comply with.
That would have fit the ad’s point which was not to highlight Pete’s greatest weakness, but to fight
back against Pete on the same grounds Pete has taken him on.

Many times Pete has portrayed Biden’s accomplishments as irrelevant, passé, suited for another world, his resume outdated. In this, he has tried to minimize Joe’s experience to the point of insignificance, when a mere three years ago Joe was VP, and he has made continued references to his age disabling him from knowledgeably governing today. He has done this citing one of today’s
issues as being gig economy. Dear Lord. Age does not make one deaf and blind to new social developments, new job markets and their implications.

Biden’s ad challenges Pete on ground he himself has laid out when he attempts to invalidate Biden’s CV. He treats him as one going after a job with an obsolescent set of skills, a former model T mechanic auditioning to fix Tesla’s. It is fair that Joe contrast his governing experience with
Pete’s, set the resume Pete has dismissed as old hat and irrelevant to the 2020 presidency against the one Pete proposes should launch him into the most powerful position in the world.

As to his experience serving. Serving in Afghanistan does not give him any special right to be nasty as he was to Beto or foreign relations and policy expertise or stature. He certainly can speak to the soldiering experience there and he may have insights to share about the Mideast based on his tour. However, he uses it far too frequently to show he has the character dimension and fitness for command of a super power among superpowers, to become the most powerful person in the world. . it simply does not confer presidential qualifications and experience upon him, though rightly, as you point out, it is admirable, patriotic, and I should not have tried to detract from that in the face of the points you make about it.

Punch above your own weight, gutsy, but expect heavier competitors to hit back on occasion. Joe’s punch was not below the belt. The ad did reference that despite the AA community’s wishes, Pete fired both the Fire Chief and the Police Chief, completely ignoring them. Well, that is very relevant as to Pete’s proposing to lead not a city with racial divisions fielding serious charges
of mistreatment and neglect of an entire community, but a nation he would inherit after Trump has legitimized and emboldened white Supremacists.

Gig economy!

[Mad cow]

68. I know it wasn't Joe's argument...

But my point is that any of it would be more effective than that lame ad. It's like making an ad about Trump and mocking his fake tan and ridiculous hair. There are real issues at play, and trivializing it into some lame caricature worthy of a SNL satire isn't going to cut it. I don't think it is below the belt. I think it is such a stretch that the belt isn't in the same zip code.

I get that you are passionate about Biden and he has some valid concerns related to Pete and things Pete has said. That's politics. You are free to raise and re-raise your Biden talking points, but this thread and my response were about this ad...not the merits of either camp and other associated arguments. My concern is that the ad is lame and doesn't make its point and actually trivializes some accomplishments in the local community. As a member of said community, I question the judgment of whomever advised him on this ad. Compliance with a federal mandate in the form of a long term control plan and adherence to an NPDES permit - oh boy, those sure disqualify the guy. Building infrastructure in an old city - what a joke. Ha ha ha. These are issues being grappled with in every rust belt community in the industrial midwest, and mocking it isn't a winning strategy.

If he's our nominee, please God get another ad team.

[brooklynite]

13. UNH PRIMARY POLL

Sanders 28%
Buttigieg 21%
Biden 11%

I’m sure this will turn things around.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

14. Oh it will. NOT.

I respect your sense of humor, my dear brooklynite!

[Celerity]

15. hugs Peggy!

hoping for the best!

[CaliforniaPeggy]

16. Same here, my dear Celerity! n/t

[maximusveritas]

18. I have been torn between Joe and Pete. This pushes me to Pete.

I'm guessing he's playing this in African-American markets.
So we can't ever fire an African-American anymore without being criticized?
It is a sign of desperation and a low blow to play the race card like that.
Wouldn't have been surprised to see this come from the likes of Bernie or Castro (when he was in it), but to see this from Biden is disappointing. It tells me he's on his last legs.

[Skya Rhen]

19. Doubt this is geared to the AA market - he can't go much lower than the 0% that he's polling at

among that group of voters.

[maximusveritas]

22. That's cute. You do realize Pete is surging everywhere after Iowa

Most African Americans know nothing about him, which is the main reason his support was nonexistent to start out with. It's disappointing to see people spread misinformation about Pete among African Americans because that can stick around and depress turnout which hurts Democrats everywhere.

[BlueWI]

27. Hard to say who the ad is geared to.

Are white voters in New Hampshire, Nevada, or SC supposed to be motivated by the references to the black employee firings?

This ad is a curious expenditure of a shrinking Biden campaign budget.

[Skya Rhen]

62. So you're saying that white Dem voters are indifferent to racial injustice? Wow, as an AA, I

am disappointed to hear this on DU but thank you for your honest perspective.

[BlueWI]

63. As an AA, I am calling out a couple of things.

Biden's use of white privilege to imply that the employees were fired due to their race is not a good move. Could candidate Obama have made a claim like that in an ad?

A short ad is a poor way to re-litigate a difficult personnel decision. Upthread there are posts that provide context about these decisions. The ad had no context and oversimplified the factors to weigh in these decisions.

There's also no need to trivialize what local elected officials do. My spouse is one of many local elected officials across the country who strive every day to uplift their communities. No need to trivialize that work. Would it be ok to create an ad where President Obama is pardoning a turkey and say that is typical of his work?

And Biden certainly should highlight his vast experience in government. But there are definitely better ways to do this. And he should emphasize his own vision more under today's changed conditions even from 2017.

I'm not a supporter of either Biden or Buttigieg in the primaries, BTW. I just think that as a favorite in the race, Biden can make his case more respectfully and effectively.

[mobeau69]

33. I hate to see Joe go out this way.

The old prizefighter who didn't know when to hang up the gloves. Sad.

[emmaverybo]

60. Just the kind of thing Pete Buttigieg would say, patronizing and insulting. Also untrue. PB is going

nowhere with his zero AA support. Biden has a lead in most states over Buttigieg, and in the nation. It is Buttigieg who will likely not gain traction past N.H.

Biden may be defeated, but not by Buttigieg and not yet.

[Chipper Chat]

34. I'm disappointed.

I never thought joe would get down and dirty like this.

[Joinfortmill]

35. Whoa

[Capt. America]

36. Clealy he feels threatened by Pete.

[denem]

39. BIDEN FOR BERNIE 2020

Funny that Joe does not attack Bernie that much, all things considered/

[helpisontheway]

41. That is because Biden would never get votes from the far left

that supports Bernie. Mayor Pete appeals to many moderates so of course Biden would go after him.

[denem]

42. Biden wants Bernie to win NH.

I don't.

[krissey]

44. Yes. What is that. He went after Harris. Warren and Buttigieg and not Sanders.

[emmaverybo]

50. When did he "go after" Harris? He made a rather tepid defense after she ate him for lunch. He's

fine with Harris. She got total victory over him, the big ole pussy cat. Gawd, like these sharp folks can’t stand up for themselves. Sanders? Look at him, he just had a heart attack. What fun would it
be to beat him up?

Joe isn’t a coward.

[krissey]

51. Not even half way thru I wanted to back out of the ad. It was flat out nasty. I cannot believe a

Democrat would put something like that out. I have been consistently saying our Democrats are better than Sanders. I now saw an ad that tells me otherwise.

Buttigieg is third on my list. Not even a favorite.

[emmaverybo]

53. Well, I can not believe with his record in South Bend with the AA community, Joe would go so

easy on him or that PB would compensate for his utter lack of relative experience by continually
Dog whistling Biden’s age. An offense to all of us older people, his blatant, arrogant ageism.

He is in the big leagues now. I don’t think he has any place in them, and he sure is needed at home, but if he’s gona play smarty Alec with a man of Biden’s stature, smirking and jabbing
away like hey it’s a whole new world pops and you don’t know a gig job from a jazz band, he better damn well be prepared for smack down. Whoopi gave him what for too.

He deserved it and he deserved all the anger he got in South Bend, parlayed now into a lack of AA support, globally. He either gets the message or he doesn’t. Has much to learn. Contrary to the opinion of himself he demonstrates, he does not know it all, not a fraction of it. Nasty to Beto too.

[still_one]

52. It really surprises me that some seem so unaware what is going on. Biden, Pete, and Amy

share similar views. In other words they are competing for votes among each other. Remember this is the primary

It makes perfect sense that Biden would go after Pete, because he represents the largest block of votes that share similar views. with him

This is simply a strategy to try and eliminate the competition with similar views



The votes between Pete, Biden, and Amy are being split between among them. Unless that is diminished, the odds improve that Sanders will essentially take the lead, unless Warren can get traction

That is what happened with the republicans, too much competition who stayed in too long, and essentially fragmented the votes among each other, and trump got in

[denem]

54. Who would you prefer to see win NH - Pete or Bernie?

Of course the answer is Joe Biden, but that is not on the cards this particular round. That ad makes it more likely that Sanders will take the lead coming out of NH. That is what matters, not the contest for the moderate vote down the road.

Who do you prefer, Bernie and Pete in NH? If it's Pete, don't come back to me and say it's a good thing that Biden is doing the kneecapping NOW.

[still_one]

55. "Of course it is Biden"? Where do you get that from? I guess the same assumption that

Biden secretly wants Bernie to win

Are you suggesting that Biden, Pete, and Amy continue to split the same block of votes so no one dominates, and effectively improves the odds for Sanders toward the nomination unless Warren is able to get traction

That is exactly how the republican primary played out, the republicans with similar views split the vote among themselves, and trump got in

You want to know who I would prefer to win the N.H. primary?

In no particular order, Pete, Warren, Biden, or Amy

I would be quite happy if any of those candidates won the N.H. primary

[denem]

56. I don't want to see Bernie coming out of NH with the wind in his sails.

That is my bottom line. If you are talking about Pete, Warren, Biden, or Amy, count me in.

[still_one]

58. Good, then we are on the same page. The odds are very much in Bernies favor that he will win

NH

Super Tuesday will present a better picture where things stand since a few significant states are now in Super Tuesday

[Skya Rhen]

61. I think this ad also serves to weaken Pete to ensure that Biden comes first or second in Nevada in

order to capture the momentum, going into SC and Super Tuesday. This isn't just about NH, he's thinking beyond.