Dogface - let's all learn

[Rorey]

I had never heard the term, but a quick read says it refers to infantry soldiers, particularly from WWII, who wore dog tags and slept in pup tents and hid in foxholes. Apparently there's a song about it, which I'll have to check out.

I'm sure there's an equally interesting explanation for "pony soldier", and I'm looking forward to learning about that too.

Sure, most people here had never heard the terms. Maybe learning about these terms will spur more interest in learning about WWII and the sacrifices our veterans (and civilians too) made for all of us.

[Rorey]

1. The Dogface Soldier Song

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[cherryinpa]

2. Its like saying "cheeky"

Dog-face would have been offensive in a certain context.

But that context is not present here (as far as I can tell from the video).

A better phrase for Biden to use would have been "cheeky", he was saying the student was being cheeky.

Thats what students / younger people are, all he's saying she's a little cheeky.

Its just doing it with an archaic term, that is all.

Nothing to get all sensitive about not a big deal, but the flavor of the month is to pile onto Joe so thats whats happening.

Its wrong though we need to say it.

Just like it would be wrong to pile onto Bernie for his language since he's in the same generation.

[sandensea]

6. It's practically a campaign-ending gaffe

To most voters, it'll come across as a misogynist attack.

Had that been a man, Biden would be ok - but against a woman?

As you know, only Rapepublicans can get away with that.

[cherryinpa]

9. Perhaps

He should not have used it on a woman, agreed.

But rather than malicious or mysogynistic I think it was just patronizing.

He patronized her and it was a mistake, but not campaign ending ... I think thats going too far.

As long as he can come out and explain it (and hopefully he does that tonight) I think most Democrats will be satisfied.

[sandensea]

10. I agree - but it's the optics.

Even if none of his Democratic opponents use the clip against him - you can bet the GOPee will air it all day, every day.

As well as Big Media. They'll make sure everyone and their brother has seen it.

[SharonClark]

21. So this is sexist like Obama saying

You can put lipstick on a pig...?

I don’t think either was sexist.

[SMC22307]

24. How many times has Biden had to explain his remarks?

Too many! He really needs to starting thinking more before he opens his mouth...

[TwilightZone]

27. Unlikely.

Most voters won't even know about it and fewer will care. They're more concerned about keeping their jobs and their health insurance. Or getting either or both.

[sandensea]

33. I hope you're right.

But you know as well as I do that, should Biden be the nominee, the GOPee will make sure this video clip is aired in attack ads non-stop.

Thus pre-empting any Democratic efforts to corner Cheeto as the "misogynist" candidate - which of course he is!

[BusyBeingBest]

3. Pony soldier--probably cavalry? Either way the headline

"Biden Calls Young Woman 'Lying Dogface Pony Soldier'" seems like something out of the Onion. I have to admit I cracked up.

[Rorey]

4. RCMP, maybe

I see there's an old movie called Pony Soldier.

[IronLionZion]

5. John Wayne wasn't in that movie

Sounds like Joe may have combined some memories together

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0045041/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0

[Rorey]

7. Quite possibly

I'm looking forward to hearing his explanation, if he decides to give one.

Regardless, after watching more of the clip (not the cut off part that some here are posting), I don't think he had bad intentions. It's Joe being Joe. I wish he was perfect, but he's not. And neither are any of the other candidates.

[Blues Heron]

14. He explains it here in the second vid

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/02/joe-biden-calls-someone-a-lying-dog-faced-pony-soldier-for-the-second-time

His bro used to say it.

[Rorey]

15. That's actually kind of sweet

I mean, to use a phrase that his brother uses/used. I do that kind of stuff all the time. It's kind of my own personal way to keep the memory alive of a loved one.

[Walleye]

8. "Re-enlistment Blues"

In the movie “From Here to Eternity”

My hitch was up Monday
Not a dog soljer nor more
soljer no more.
They give me all that money
So much my pockets is sore
pockets is sore.
More dough than I can use
Re-Enlistment Blues

[4139]

11. Something likely Joe made up in 4th or 5th grade... and he kept it

he mixed westerns and war movies

[Baclava]

12. Calling any woman walking down the street dog faced would get you a punch in the mouth, or worse

It's too late for alibis and apologies, the whole world is watching

[cherryinpa]

13. He can still apologize

I'd like to see him apologize tonight.

Just explain it as it was, don't make a big deal of it.

Lets move onto important stuff, not this.

[FreeState]

16. That and why would you tell a 21 year old a

Line from a movie that there is zero chance they have watched? Sounds out of touch or made up after the fact.

[Baclava]

17. Yes 21 y/o women are well versed in obscure Western movies from the 1950s using terms from the 1880s

HA!

well at least he didn't tell her to vote for someone else this time, lol

[FreeState]

19. Especially since his age is one of his negatives

He manages to alienate voters and reinforce negatives with one line.

[SMC22307]

32. ...

[SharonClark]

23. The whole world is watching people twist

themselves in knots making something more out of this than what it is.

I don’t support Biden because he acts too damn old but the piling on in this case is ridiculous.

His movie quote or misquote wasn’t sexist or racist, it just demonstrated he’s unaware how his choice of words baffles more enlightened/hip/woke denizens of progressive blogs.

[Baclava]

31. Baffles is a good word, so is bizarre. I think Joe is done, do his supporters go Pete or Bloomberg

That will be the question soon, of course you are welcome to your opinion, I have my own

[jmg257]

18. Hondo - 1953 referred to Pony Soldiers (cavalry)...

Vittorio : You are Apache. Now, hear me. Pony soldiers are near. Soon will be ford-remembered fight. They will come here first. You will not go with them, white man.

Hondo Lane : I will not.

Vittorio : Leader of pony soldiers will question you. You will say you see Apache trailing to the west.

Hondo Lane : [refusing to comply with the additional instruction] This I will not do.

Vittorio : You will not?

Hondo Lane : I will not.

Edit: She Wore a Yellow Ribbon - "Dog faced soldier"'...

At the end of She Wore a Yellow Ribbon, the narrator tells the audience: "So here they are. The dog-faced soldiers, the regulars, the fifty-cents a day professionals riding the outposts of a nation. From Fort Reno to Fort Apache...from Sheridan to Stockton...they were all the same. Men in dirty-shirt blue...and only a cold page in the history books to mark their passing. But wherever they rose and whatever they sought for, that place became the United States."

[SQUEE]

20. While learning, remember

There are many words we use for each other that are an insult that comes from an outsider.

Grunt, is a very common one. Dogface is another, Joe aint no Ernie Pyle.

[Rorey]

22. So the only relevant question is

Was the student offended?

[womanofthehills]

29. She was interviewed and said she was not trying to humiliate Biden

she just wanted an answer. She had no idea what he was referencing - how could she? Never a good look to call someone asking you a question a liar.

[melman]

25. I hear it's okay because he got it from his brother

I'm sure the young woman will be very relieved.

[womanofthehills]

26. What worried me the most was his reactivity..

Accusing the woman of being a liar is not a good look either. He seems to have a hard time dealing with criticism lately. I wonder if it's age related - mr Grumpy.

[SMC22307]

35. I think it's entitlement more than age.

He thinks this should be his.

[JoeOtterbein]

28. Every rookie manager knows you never talk about a woman customer's face, in front of the...

...the customer's face!!!

Joe needs to stop being embarrassing.

[oasis]

30. "She Wore a Yellow Ribbon" a John Ford film starring John Wayne.

The movie which glorifies the U.S. Calvary ends with the following narration "so here they are, the DOG-FACED soldiers in dirty shirt blue...etc..etc.

[SMC22307]

34. Why would he call a young, female economics major from Georgia a "dogface"?

How are WWII soldiers sleeping in pup tents and wearing dogs relevant to young Madison? It makes no sense, no matter how much his PR machine tries to spin it.

[Rorey]

36. There are numerous threads speculating about that

I really just wanted to explore the meanings and origins of the terms. I'm not part of Biden's PR machine, and I didn't consult or reference said machine.

I just enjoy learning new things.