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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
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The whole point is to discredit and cripple the front-runner, (Original Post) The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 OP
Yup... hlthe2b Apr 2019 #1
The Biden bashing is a 2 fer, watoos Apr 2019 #2
Give me the name of any adult human Control-Z Apr 2019 #9
Exactly. As far as feelings of discomfort goes...Who doesn't experience Kahuna7 Apr 2019 #28
Amen! McKim Apr 2019 #12
Exactly. highplainsdem Apr 2019 #3
But ... BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #4
+1 oasis Apr 2019 #5
The flame-thrower can easily become the flame-throwee. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #8
Yes, we know the source... comradebillyboy Apr 2019 #10
Yup! Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #11
Very Interesting... LovingA2andMI Apr 2019 #19
Exactement! Mme. Defarge Apr 2019 #6
the difference w/Joe is he has always been known to be touchy, so these allegations msongs Apr 2019 #7
Really sucks but I've heard there are supposedly more hug accusers Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #14
Yeah, Biden has always been touchy feely. He's that way. He's "down home," "a regular guy," ... Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #21
From the two liberal guys on KLBJ out of Austin Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #13
You hope there's someone in the wings? My gods there's over a dozen more Dems running... Hekate Apr 2019 #18
Let's be realistic. They're not ALL great. Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #22
Someone said last night, think Rachel, that they knew Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #24
I missed it, but can listen to the podcast. I wonder who? Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #29
These people have been mentioned but it was Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #30
Thanks. nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #34
Yes, the whole point is to taint, cripple and disqualify peggysue2 Apr 2019 #15
The ones laughing now will be crying when their guy or gal gets it. IluvPitties Apr 2019 #16
you took my exact words - we are making it too easy for them. A nasty nickname and out EveHammond13 Apr 2019 #20
Trump (with help from our Left) will pick off our candidates one by one by one... Hekate Apr 2019 #17
They are trying to solidify their low info voter base. Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #26
That's why now is the time to get baggage out of the way loyalsister Apr 2019 #23
It would be interesting to see a poll with only Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #27
Joe Biden is the most electable candidate in the field Gothmog Apr 2019 #25
Bullseye. Accept Biden's expressions of regret and move on. Paladin Apr 2019 #31
I like this statement by Joe Biden Gothmog Apr 2019 #32
Yeah, except it's already being sold as "He's admitting it!" kcr Apr 2019 #36
This, thissety-this-this, oh motherfucking this !!!!! Iggo Apr 2019 #33
Absolutely. It's bad news. kcr Apr 2019 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Apr 2019 #37
 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
2. The Biden bashing is a 2 fer,
Tue Apr 2, 2019, 10:53 PM
Apr 2019

Biden is bashed and Bernie is bashed as being the culprit.

As I said a month ago, none of our candidates are perfect but they are all way better than Trump.

Give me the name of your favorite candidate and I can fill up a column bashing him/her.

The only way we lose in 2020 is if we fight among ourselves.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
9. Give me the name of any adult human
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 12:21 AM
Apr 2019

and a column bashing him/her can be made.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Kahuna7

(2,531 posts)
28. Exactly. As far as feelings of discomfort goes...Who doesn't experience
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 10:20 AM
Apr 2019

frequent "feelings" of discomfort??? That's a normal human reaction. I don't like to be touched. Never have. But when someone touches me, I don't view it as an intentional intrusion of my space or "power." Touching is normal human contact. Now, I will say that some of Joe's touching may cross the line, but I don't see any reason to have a cow about it. Mocking: Oh I'm so wounded. He touched me!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

McKim

(2,412 posts)
12. Amen!
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 12:55 AM
Apr 2019

Amen, thanks for pointing this out! The bashing is coming from Republicans and their allies in the media. I was home sick Sunday channel switching cable news and it was Joe and his inappropriate touching ALL DAY LONG! Don’t get involved in troll based Dem bashing!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BlueFlorida

(1,532 posts)
4. But ...
Tue Apr 2, 2019, 11:00 PM
Apr 2019

only one candidate's campaign is doing the flame throwing. Other candidates have been pretty respectful of each other.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,615 posts)
8. The flame-thrower can easily become the flame-throwee.
Tue Apr 2, 2019, 11:25 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

comradebillyboy

(10,128 posts)
10. Yes, we know the source...
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 12:34 AM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
19. Very Interesting...
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 01:31 AM
Apr 2019

And true....

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Mme. Defarge

(8,014 posts)
6. Exactement!
Tue Apr 2, 2019, 11:06 PM
Apr 2019

A scorched earth strategy, buckle up.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

msongs

(67,367 posts)
7. the difference w/Joe is he has always been known to be touchy, so these allegations
Tue Apr 2, 2019, 11:15 PM
Apr 2019

are not about anything that was unknown.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
14. Really sucks but I've heard there are supposedly more hug accusers
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 01:02 AM
Apr 2019

waiting to come forward

Trump knows only one who could beat him is Biden. Antithesis of himself.

Oh fuck..another 4 years


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
21. Yeah, Biden has always been touchy feely. He's that way. He's "down home," "a regular guy," ...
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 01:45 AM
Apr 2019

considered a compassionate, caring man. Rode the subway to Congress for years, so he could mingle with his constituents.

I'm sure there are MANY pics and videos of Biden hugging and laying hands on girls and women...and men. In his case, there's nothing improper in it as far as intent. He's just that way.

I'm guessin' he's going to curb that habit, now, though.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
13. From the two liberal guys on KLBJ out of Austin
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 12:59 AM
Apr 2019

"Biden a predator? What the hell? Someone being too touchy feely and you've got the worst self-admitted predator as prez? Ludicrous that Dems letting this happen."

I hope there's someone in the wings..cuz if Biden goes down
No one else will beat trump at this point. New blood?



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hekate

(90,565 posts)
18. You hope there's someone in the wings? My gods there's over a dozen more Dems running...
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 01:24 AM
Apr 2019

...all of them good.

But Trump (and the Left) will be picking them off one at a time unless we refuse to play along in any fashion.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
22. Let's be realistic. They're not ALL great.
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 01:48 AM
Apr 2019

They are all certainly better than Trump by a long shot. But as far as winning, they are not created equal.

Although I'm not convinced Biden can, either. He's run several times and never come close. But he is certainly the most experienced in the field. Nothing he hasn't seen or dealt with before...even personal attacks. Most of the others, if not all of them, have never run for political office on a national level. It's a horse of a different color. I'm actually having a hard time finding someone I like enough (in every sense of the word) to support for the nominee.

I'm hoping the debates clear the field for the top contenders, whoever they may be. I'm sure one or two will rise to the top and show they can win.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
24. Someone said last night, think Rachel, that they knew
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 10:06 AM
Apr 2019

Of at least two more who may jump in.

I agree with you though. To me, it just feels like we need someone with depth of experience. Just doesn't feel like the right time to run a newbie, however bright they are. The risk is way too high.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
29. I missed it, but can listen to the podcast. I wonder who?
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 10:49 AM
Apr 2019

I wonder who else might jump in? And why? Will they have national election experience? A different viewpoint? More choices = a good thing, I guess. Unless it's just one more like the ones we have already.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
30. These people have been mentioned but it was
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 10:59 AM
Apr 2019

Last month..so sure some may have said no. De Blasio, Seth Moulton, Tim Ryan, Cuomo, Kerry?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

peggysue2

(10,825 posts)
15. Yes, the whole point is to taint, cripple and disqualify
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 01:08 AM
Apr 2019

This is coming from the Left & the Right. The Trumpster is already making jokes about it. I'm sure he's thrilled because Biden is a genuine threat to Trump's beloved base.

But, of course, you're correct: if not Joe Biden the scorched earth approach will be used on anyone perceived as a strong candidate. Kamala Harris, for instance.

Which is why an earlier post today was so very on the mark. Control the narrative or lose the entire storyline. These drip, drip, drip attacks are purposeful and will continue to try an undermine the Democratic Party, our candidates and our messaging.

We cannot allow that to happen because winning in 2020 is critical. If we want to have a country or a future, that is.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

IluvPitties

(3,181 posts)
16. The ones laughing now will be crying when their guy or gal gets it.
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 01:12 AM
Apr 2019

We are making it too easy for them.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

EveHammond13

(2,855 posts)
20. you took my exact words - we are making it too easy for them. A nasty nickname and out
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 01:35 AM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Hekate

(90,565 posts)
17. Trump (with help from our Left) will pick off our candidates one by one by one...
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 01:21 AM
Apr 2019

It is a proven technique for Trump. We already had a troll post a freeper meme here about Biden having bulbar syndrome of the brain because he laughs.

Trump will do it -- if we let him.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
26. They are trying to solidify their low info voter base.
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 10:14 AM
Apr 2019

You are right. It works like a charm. I saw it first hand in Texas with Beto. He was on the rise and then they released dirt to Facebook which spreads like wildfire with the stupider people who never research or question.

Why I haven't understood why we don't buy the same lists as Republicans do on Facebook and immediately release truthful ads when their false ones drop.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
23. That's why now is the time to get baggage out of the way
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 03:38 AM
Apr 2019

Get it all out before October of 2020. We're all going to make compromises and decide what is forgivable or not during the primary. this is just one of many potential problems for one of many candidates. I don't see why his name is being polled along with declared candidates. To call him a "front-runner" when he has not declared is foolish.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
27. It would be interesting to see a poll with only
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 10:17 AM
Apr 2019

declared candidates as the choices.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(144,945 posts)
25. Joe Biden is the most electable candidate in the field
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 10:12 AM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Paladin

(28,243 posts)
31. Bullseye. Accept Biden's expressions of regret and move on.
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 11:03 AM
Apr 2019

Either that, or do trump's work for him. Let's try to avoid another destructive Franken episode---we cannot afford it at this point.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(144,945 posts)
32. I like this statement by Joe Biden
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 04:05 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

kcr

(15,315 posts)
36. Yeah, except it's already being sold as "He's admitting it!"
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 10:07 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Iggo

(47,537 posts)
33. This, thissety-this-this, oh motherfucking this !!!!!
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 04:11 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

kcr

(15,315 posts)
35. Absolutely. It's bad news.
Wed Apr 3, 2019, 10:03 PM
Apr 2019

Biden is near the bottom in my ranking of candidates, and I can see the hit job for what it is. It boggles my mind that people supporting other candidates can't see the danger and realize all of our candidates are basically sitting ducks with this bullshit.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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