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Mon Feb 17, 2020, 05:38 PM

 

Tell me again how Bloomberg is the most electable?

I understand people think he's the best chance against Trump, even though I don't believe that in the slightest. Here he is belittling farmers:


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Pete
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Bloomberg on why farmers canít work in information technology

MB: ďI can teach anyone how to be a farmer 1 dig a hole 2 put a seed in 3 put dirt on top 4 add water 5 up comes the cornĒ

The skill 4information technology is completely different you need more grey matter

#farmers


You don't have to tell me how much worse Trump has been and will be for farmers, I don't want Trump in there, either. I just don't think that replacing Trump with Bloomberg is going to be the best option, and there has been an avalanche of recent information that demonstrates it.
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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 05:40 PM

1. Pardon me for a moment

 



Bloomberg is my second to last choice of the remaining candidates, just above the other mayor who is my absolute last choice.
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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 05:44 PM

2. I think some people believe that because DT wouldn't be able to use $$ against him like he & his

 

minions could do against any of the other candidates. If they buy TV: ads against MB, he'd just buy one to refute the charges & slam them as liars to boot.

MB is not my first choice, but I sure would vote for him if he becomes our nominee.
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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 05:44 PM

3. ....

 

quite the pompous ass... with limited thinking... if he doesn't understand the need for farmers to "think and analyze" he might be lacking some "gray matter"
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Response to handmade34 (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:50 PM

47. You didn't understand the need to see a comment in context and not take someone else's word

 

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for what it said?

Look for yourself. See post 20.
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Response to handmade34 (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 08:37 PM

67. ..I think it's called 'emotional intelligence'

 

It's not his strong suit.
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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 05:45 PM

4. How does he think 2% of our population is feeding the other 98%?

 

Speaking so dismissively of farmers will not help him in the battleground states.
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Response to DesertRat (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 06:59 PM

31. Before long

 

we're going to find all kinds of dismissive comments from Bloomie about most people in the US electorate.

I spent a decade in the shadow of NYC, Bloomberg is a potential tyrant. I realize that it might be preferable to a majority of us here to replace the current tyrant, but it might not appear that way to a lot of voters in the mushy middle who think their 401Ks are doing just fine.
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Response to DesertRat (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:49 PM

46. You didn't see the comment in context either, I see. This is how the bots succeed.

 

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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 05:45 PM

5. Replacing Trump with anyfuckingthing would be a major improvement

 

Good grief, how can you not believe that..

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 05:55 PM

12. I do believe that, the point is we have much better Dem candidates that can kick Trump to the

 

curb that are more electable than Bloomberg.
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Response to Autumn (Reply #12)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 06:01 PM

15. We did last time. We had a more electable one on deck.

 

How'd that work out?

We've got to go for the kill this time. There can be no chance-taking in 2020. If Bloomberg can do it, I'm all in.

I see no one else at this point, especially one running as a Democratic socialist - that is a recipe for sure defeat.
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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #15)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 06:04 PM

18. Biden could do it....with Abrams as his VP and Bloomberg's resources, we can get this done. nt

 

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Response to UniteFightBack (Reply #18)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 06:11 PM

22. I see, Bloomberg is the designated money pit now.

 

I'm sure he'll jump all over that idea.

I like Joe, but Abrams? You've got to realize Joe is getting up there in age. Is she ready to assume the presidency on a moments notice? She is a fine legislator, but the #1 spot? No, not quite yet.
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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #22)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 06:17 PM

23. Bloomberg said that himself, so yes he will be the sugar daddy...not money pit. Abrams can help

 

bring some excitement and she is a pitbull which we also need someone who can attack attack attack and be effective, that's her. Plus she is extremely smart and a quick learner. All that plus Bloomberg's infrastructure and staff and yes money. It's scary how much money the GOPee has FUNNELING in from who knows where.

Winning Combo. Val Demmings would also work.
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Response to UniteFightBack (Reply #18)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:04 PM

34. He's not doing it.

 

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #15)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 08:00 PM

57. Go for the kill?

 

Go for the kill?

Only thing we're gonna kill with Bloomberg is the Democratic party.

We have PLENTY of qualified candidates ahead of him that will defeat Trump; Biden, Klobuchar, Warren, Pete / Bernie etc.

The more that comes out on Bloomberg the less I'm liking him.
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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #15)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 08:22 PM

63. Do you see women voting for him in light of the lawsuits and sexist things that he has said

 

that are out there? I don't see that happening.
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Response to Autumn (Reply #63)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 08:24 PM

64. It worked out just fine for the republican side.

 

There's that to consider.
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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #64)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 09:15 PM

68. Liberal women are nothing like Republican women. They don't fall in line for the things Republican

 

women do.
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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #64)

Tue Feb 18, 2020, 03:37 AM

70. Lol.. What's "fine" with Republicans isn't "fine" with us

 

It's why we ARE Democrats, remember?



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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 05:57 PM

13. I -DO- believe that, and I SAID I do...

 

I said that replacing Trump with Bloomberg wasn't the BEST choice, we've got several frontrunners who didn't buy their way into the process late who I think would be WAY better than Bloomberg, and also won't alienate battleground states by telling them how stupid they are. I also don't believe that Bloomberg is the best choice to face Trump.

Do I wish Trump would fuck off into the sun forever? Of course I do. I just don't think Bloomberg is the candidate that is most likely to make that happen.
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Response to Saviolo (Reply #13)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 06:06 PM

19. Bloomberg isn't buying anyone.

 

He is running good, effective ads that kick the crap out of the real ENEMY.

Trump knows Bloomberg has his number - notice how he's afraid to go after Mike, yet he belittles all the others? Trump is scared to death of a smart, non-phony businessman.
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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 05:46 PM

6. Yet, people right here will argue coal miners can't be retrained is certain

 

candidates suggest that.
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Response to Hoyt (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 05:53 PM

11. Yang argued that retraining was only successful 12% of the time

 

and invited anyone who had differing information to share it.

Which would be the smart way to discuss this issue.

People who frame of as a matter of intelligence are just arguing in bad faith.
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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 05:47 PM

7. compared to a Democratic socialist?

 

He's not one
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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 05:48 PM

8. Shall I point out the obvious.

 

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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 05:52 PM

9. Because he's a billionaire. If your rich anything is okay as long as you attack Trump.

 

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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 05:53 PM

10. I think farming today requires a good understanding of mechanics, no?

 

Biology and disease?
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Response to applegrove (Reply #10)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 06:01 PM

16. Mechanics, crop science, sales, international and national markets, hedging and finance.

 

That just shows how out of touch this guy is.



I ran across this kidís channel by accident a while back.

He covers some of the issues challenges of a modern farmer. Itís way more complicated than digging a hole and planting a seed.


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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #16)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 06:10 PM

21. Creativity too. Design. Maintenance of many machines. People go to

 

University for it.
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Response to applegrove (Reply #10)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:55 PM

50. I think not being taken in by dishonest threads requires seeing comments in context and

 

not taking others' words for what they say. See post 20.
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Response to Squinch (Reply #50)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:57 PM

53. Thanks. It was not in context.

 

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Response to applegrove (Reply #53)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:59 PM

56. It's getting really hard to stay ahead of the lies. And so disheartening that we have to

 

wade through this crap here. The thanks go to BusyBeingBest for finding the correct quote.
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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 06:00 PM

14. Because us peons can only vote for a candidate apprroved by the ruling class.

 

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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 06:04 PM

17. If you saw the whole context in which he was speaking, this is a bullshit quote.

 

He was talking about human history. At no point did he say you couldn't teach farmers IT.
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Response to BusyBeingBest (Reply #17)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 06:10 PM

20. The relevant section is from about 41:00:

 



I hate dishonesty. He was obviously not talking about modern agriculture.
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Response to BusyBeingBest (Reply #20)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 08:02 PM

58. Thanks for sharing this!

 

Glad to have this handy for when I see this spin again.

Also really good to see he gets the disruption to the labor market that automation will only make worse over time!

Will make it that much easier for me to work to get him elected if he's our nominee
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Response to redqueen (Reply #58)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 08:03 PM

60. If you were a Yang person, he's not that far off, really.

 

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Response to BusyBeingBest (Reply #60)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 08:05 PM

61. Honestly I like all of our candidates.

 

Some more than others, but like Yang said we are all pushing in the same direction.
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Response to redqueen (Reply #61)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 08:08 PM

62. Yeah, I like them all too, just disagree on which ones will ultimately beat Trump.

 

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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 06:18 PM

24. Shameless misrepresentation.

 

See posts #17 and #20.
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Response to silverweb (Reply #24)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 06:29 PM

25. But Fox News is blasting "Bloomberg Sez Farmers R Stoopid!"

 

based on this carefully edited clip.
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Response to BusyBeingBest (Reply #25)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 06:35 PM

28. Of course they are.

 

We can't do anything about what Fox News puts out there, but we can make sure we have the facts and spread them around as much as we can.
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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 06:31 PM

26. The same people making this claim were claiming that Biden was the most electable

 

just a few weeks ago.
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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 06:34 PM

27. Saviolo, are you going to acknowledge that this quote isn't in context?

 

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Response to BusyBeingBest (Reply #27)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:00 PM

32. I've watched the context now.

 

I still think it's a super bad take. Sue he seems to be talking about agrarian societies of antiquity vis a vis the plant a seed thing, but then says "I could teach that to anyone in this room." as though farming hasn't progressed with the advance of technology. The context only makes it -slightly- less bad, and when he talks about how progressive the marginal tax rate in the USA is without also talking about how the marginal tax rate is lower now than during periods of major growth (it topped 80% from the 40's to the 60's and is now sitting at under 40%), then I dunno what there is to defend here. He sounds like another rich guy telling poor people that rich people will save them.

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Response to Saviolo (Reply #32)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:05 PM

35. He was making a joke at the expense of the elite business school crowd, I think, with the "I could

 

teach anyone in this room". Edit to add: Thanks for replying about it, you are fair.
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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 06:37 PM

29. He has the most money to devote to the project.

 

That has to count for something.

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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 06:48 PM

30. I disagree with his point.

 

All technology, including basic agriculture when it first emerged in place of gathering, is labor-saving. Information technology is the same in that respect.
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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:01 PM

33. If stuff like that put people off, Trump wouldn't be president

 

He can afford to run a ton of ads, and he knows how to run a 2020 campaign - using social media, memes, etc. He isn't a nice person but he could win anyway. We'd trade one loud mouthed jerk for another, but I'd vote for him over trump.
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Response to Saviolo (Original post)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:07 PM

36. New trend on DU: Someone posts a quote of one of our candidates. The quote is taken

 

out of context and presented so that it completely lies about what the candidate was saying.

Dozens jump on agreeing with the lie.

Another Democratic candidate is smeared, ALL of us are hurt.

This is bullshit and you know it is.

For anyone who would like to see what he REALLY said, see post 20, with the quote in context.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #36)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:11 PM

37. I've watched the context. I still don't think it's good.

 

It's dismissive. Also, as I said upthread, he's being super disingenuous about the marginal tax rate and also the bit about how making school cheaper makes it -harder- for poor people to get in is a well-trod right wing talking point.
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Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:17 PM

39. Howso?

 

He still made a joke belittling farmers. The context doesn't make it better.
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Response to Saviolo (Reply #39)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:22 PM

40. He wasn't belittling anybody. He was talking about the simplicity

 

of planting corn for 3000 years. After that, he talked about the INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION. Then he brought up the Information Age. So you can see he wasn't talking about modern agricultural practices or modern farmers, certainly not in a context of job training for modern farmers. His whole point was that we haven't had a farming economy for hundreds of years.
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Response to BusyBeingBest (Reply #40)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:27 PM

42. Next they'll say that he belittled the industrial revolution. The lies are really disgusting.

 

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Response to Squinch (Reply #42)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:48 PM

45. It's an agenda, it must be pursued. Truth matters little.

 

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Response to BusyBeingBest (Reply #45)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:52 PM

48. I bet about 75% of those who are believing that Bloomberg was belittling farmers in this

 

video are the same ones who say, "I am TOTALLY NOT susceptible to the influence of Bots!"
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Response to Squinch (Reply #48)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:56 PM

51. I know. What matters is people see the blurb or headline and believe it, that's what

 

they count on--that people aren't going to dig up the clip on their own, because I had to search for it and then wade through an hour long presentation. I'm actually an Amy person for now, but am also considering Bloomberg, and want the truth and not what's being spread around as a take-down.
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Response to BusyBeingBest (Reply #51)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:58 PM

54. I'd be happy with Amy, Biden, Liz or Bloomberg. But I think Bloomberg has the best chance

 

of winning.

I really appreciate you doing that work to show the absolute dishonesty of this thread.
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Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:58 PM

55. Thanks! I feel like I have to referee a little, LOL.

 

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Response to Saviolo (Reply #39)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:25 PM

41. Then no, you didn't watch it. You aren't even close. He made no joke, and he belittled no one.

 

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He is talking about the fact that jobs were available in the agrarian society "that lasted 3000 years," and he described farming in an agrarian society as a labor based process. Then he contrasted that to our technological society where jobs are disappearing.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #41)

Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:43 PM

43. Great.

 

Then why the jab that he could teach it to everyone in the room? Why's he talking about how lowering the cost of education hurts poor people? Why is he talking about how progressive the marginal tax rate is when the top marginal tax rates are lower now than they have been since the 40's?

I get what you're saying he was trying to say, but what he said was the flyover states are stupid.
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Mon Feb 17, 2020, 07:52 PM

49. You told me to watch the context.

 

That was the context immediately before the clip in question. Is it irrelevant?

Also "you need the context" is a derailing tactic.
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Mon Feb 17, 2020, 08:24 PM

65. OP tweet source is anti DNC, anti Democratic Party.

 

Scroll through his feed and it's full of false cherry picks like the OP and smears against other Dems like for instance, Klobuchar- he thinks she's a racist... The OP source isn't legit and is a Democratic Party smear page.
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Mon Feb 17, 2020, 08:31 PM

66. That must be his charm offensive..

 

..an example of what someone on MSNBC just called his "jerk-titude"


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Mon Feb 17, 2020, 10:19 PM

69. Want to see record low POC and youth turnout? Want to piss off white suburban women?

 

Then, by all means, let Bloomberg buy the nomination.
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