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kentuck

(110,950 posts)
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 10:01 AM Feb 2020

One point about Bernie Sanders:

He is not going to turn America into a "socialist" country.

Simply because he cannot pass laws without the support of a House and Senate that doesn't agree with him.

He is not going to pass M4A without the support of the Democrats in the House of Representatives. He is not going to raise taxes on the wealthy or the corporations without the support of his Party and the US Senate, if Republicans maintain control.

He is not a "boogie man". He is not the same type of threat as the present occupant in the White House. Mostly, because Bernie believes in the will of the people. He does not have "dictator" tendencies.

If he were to win the nomination, we would not be under the same threat to our democracy. He would respect the rule of law.

It doesn't matter who we are now supporting. We should be careful not to confuse Bernie Sanders with Donald Trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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One point about Bernie Sanders: (Original Post) kentuck Feb 2020 OP
Certainly not a boogie man, and certainly without dictator tendencies. In 30 years, he has Squinch Feb 2020 #1
At least he will try to undo what was done. gab13by13 Feb 2020 #3
Bernie is NOT our best candidate to support the working class and poor. Squinch Feb 2020 #5
wait... handmade34 Feb 2020 #10
I guess that helps because poor peoples' cars break down more but.... Squinch Feb 2020 #12
Elizabeth Warren was the primary sponsor of 9 enacted bills. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2020 #22
Sorry. I read my source wrong. I'll correct. Squinch Feb 2020 #23
And Bernie has sponsored 7 enacted bills. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2020 #24
He has been in Congress seven times longer. And can I have your source for 7 enacted bills? Squinch Feb 2020 #26
Of course: Act_of_Reparation Feb 2020 #29
Except most of those were not passed. Pieces of them were added as amendments to other Squinch Feb 2020 #35
His strategy is crafting successful amendments. Rolling Stone dubbed him "The Amendment King." JudyM Feb 2020 #11
+1 Laelth Feb 2020 #13
Well no. He deserves a lot LESS credit for the ACA than all the Senators that worked Squinch Feb 2020 #15
I am not following your logic, here. Laelth Feb 2020 #20
OK, I'm not following YOUR logic. Bernie gets the most credit because he held his nose the hardest? Squinch Feb 2020 #21
He was instrumental in getting ACA passed by bringing in rural senators. JudyM Feb 2020 #42
So the ACA is his accomplishment? He gets "most credit" as the poster contends? Squinch Feb 2020 #43
He was instrumental in its passage and the $11B clinic funding he secured has had a huge impact on JudyM Feb 2020 #44
Sanders is from a small rural white state radius777 Feb 2020 #33
The Republican healthcare plan out of MA that would not have passed without Ted Kennedy? seaglass Feb 2020 #45
Your own source shows that for all but two years, he was ineffective as a Senator. Squinch Feb 2020 #17
Um. He was elected to the Senate in '06. That data is re: House. JudyM Feb 2020 #31
In the Senate, he named 2 post offices and got a COLA for veterans. Those were the three bills Squinch Feb 2020 #37
Bernie worries me. katmondoo Feb 2020 #2
Then why does Warren gab13by13 Feb 2020 #4
Except Warren actually gets shit done. MrsCoffee Feb 2020 #8
Neither has gotten much done Beringia Feb 2020 #38
+1000 Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #41
She is not like Bernie and would not be branded as a socialist/communist. She is a capitalist. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #40
The fact that he is the preferred candidate of the orange menace should concern all of us. redstatebluegirl Feb 2020 #6
Donald Trump is a proven liar. kentuck Feb 2020 #7
But we need to watch what he DOES, and he has been defending BS for a long time now. redstatebluegirl Feb 2020 #9
The russians worked to help Bernie. That tells us something. Squinch Feb 2020 #14
It's not just Trump... ehrnst Feb 2020 #16
I don't trust Trumps's judgment about ANYTHING. thesquanderer Feb 2020 #18
I haven't seen anyone here confuse Sanders with Trump. I certainly don't, and I won't hesitate to highplainsdem Feb 2020 #19
+1. Bernie is every Republican's dream come true. dalton99a Feb 2020 #32
Will you not vote if Bernie is the nominee? kentuck Feb 2020 #34
I support Democrats. dalton99a Feb 2020 #36
Good answer. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #46
Do you believe Bernie and Bloomberg to be Democrats? kentuck Feb 2020 #47
I do not have a response for you. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #49
Well, would you expect Bernie supporters to vote for whomever the nominee might be.... kentuck Feb 2020 #50
My expectations in that regard are zero. I have ZERO expectations from them. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #51
Boogie Man? MineralMan Feb 2020 #25
All this red baiting and fearmongering about Socialism has me wondering if I didn't get run over jcmaine72 Feb 2020 #27
Bernie is not Trump, but Bernie will give us another four years of Trump dalton99a Feb 2020 #28
Agreed. We'll also have a 7-2 conservative majority in the USSC. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #48
The Democratic Party's platform is 'socialist' so what's the hype for? YOHABLO Feb 2020 #30
I am not afraid of a Sanders presidency...I am afraid he loses the general and Trump wins. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #39
trump really wants to run against a weak and unelectable candidate like sanders Gothmog Feb 2020 #52
The grandson of GHW Bush is running this ad against sanders and socialism for the TEX CD 22 race Gothmog Feb 2020 #53
 

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
1. Certainly not a boogie man, and certainly without dictator tendencies. In 30 years, he has
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 10:05 AM
Feb 2020

accomplished no major legislation.

No, he won't be a dictator. But neither will he undo anything that has been done, and he won't be able to overcome the forces that RIGHT NOW are dismantling out Democracy.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

gab13by13

(20,867 posts)
3. At least he will try to undo what was done.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 10:09 AM
Feb 2020

Bernie and Liz are far and above our best candidates who support the working class and poor.

Tweaking what Trump did isn't going to cut it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
5. Bernie is NOT our best candidate to support the working class and poor.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 10:14 AM
Feb 2020

In 30 years in Congress, what legislation has he passed that helps the working class and the poor?

Liz, yes. She produced 9 bills that have passed. That was in 6 years. She also was THE major force in the consumer protection movement.

But Bernie? NOTHING!!! In 30 YEARS!!!

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handmade34

(22,755 posts)
10. wait...
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 10:23 AM
Feb 2020

Bernie got funding for the rail trail next to me

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Squinch

(50,774 posts)
12. I guess that helps because poor peoples' cars break down more but....
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 10:30 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
22. Elizabeth Warren was the primary sponsor of 9 enacted bills.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 10:50 AM
Feb 2020

But 40 does sound a lot better, so let's go with that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
23. Sorry. I read my source wrong. I'll correct.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 10:52 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
24. And Bernie has sponsored 7 enacted bills.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 10:56 AM
Feb 2020

Granted, Warren hasn't served as long as Bernie, but there are other senators of similar seniority with similar records (Stabenow has sponsored 13, for example).

Not every Senator is a prolific sponsor, and there are other aspects of the job that are just as important, like committee work.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Squinch

(50,774 posts)
26. He has been in Congress seven times longer. And can I have your source for 7 enacted bills?
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 11:00 AM
Feb 2020

Last I looked, I thought it was 3, including those post office names, and I know he hasn't done much at all since 2007 according to the "Bernie is king of amendments" article.

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Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
29. Of course:
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 11:07 AM
Feb 2020
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/bernard_sanders/400357

Yes, a lot of them are bullshit bills remembering historical figures and renaming post offices, but most bills senators sponsor are these bullshit bills. Elizabeth Warren's record isn't wildly different:

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/browse?sponsor=412542#enacted_ex=on
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Squinch

(50,774 posts)
35. Except most of those were not passed. Pieces of them were added as amendments to other
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 11:21 AM
Feb 2020

bills and passed that way. He didn't get them passed. Someone else did the heavy lifting, and only pieces of them passed.

The only ones that he wrote that were passed on that list were:
1)The Marble Street Post Office naming,
2)The 2013 COLA for Veterans
3)and the other post office naming.

In 13 years in the Senate.

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JudyM

(29,122 posts)
11. His strategy is crafting successful amendments. Rolling Stone dubbed him "The Amendment King."
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 10:25 AM
Feb 2020

His effectiveness as a legislator is discussed here, and it’s clear he has been quite helpful to liberal goals: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2016/mar/24/bernie-sanders/bernie-sanders-was-roll-call-amendment-king-1995-2/

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Undecided
 

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
13. +1
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 10:30 AM
Feb 2020

He also voted in favor of the ACA, even though he wanted more, and he deserves as much credit for doing so as any other Senator. We needed every vote to pass that law, and it would have failed had not Bernie held his nose and voted for it.

It’s too easy to attack Bernie for not being a real Democrat when the truth is that we count on his vote when we need it.

-Laelth

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Squinch

(50,774 posts)
15. Well no. He deserves a lot LESS credit for the ACA than all the Senators that worked
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 10:32 AM
Feb 2020

on it and no more credit than all the other Senators that voted for it.

ACA is not a Sanders accomplishment.

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Laelth

(32,017 posts)
20. I am not following your logic, here.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 10:43 AM
Feb 2020

Bernie’s the one who had to hold his nose the most to pass the ACA. It was his followers who criticized him, and the law, the most because they wanted to hold out for a public option, at the very least. It was he who had to betray his principles the most by voting for the Republican health care plan out of Massachusetts (the law upon which the ACA was based).

In that sense, Bernie deserves the most credit (among Senators) for the law’s passage. He took a huge political risk by voting for it.



-Laelth

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Squinch

(50,774 posts)
21. OK, I'm not following YOUR logic. Bernie gets the most credit because he held his nose the hardest?
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 10:46 AM
Feb 2020

More credit than the people who wrote the bill and corralled and cajoled all the Senators with impossibly differing opinions, including BS, to pass a historic piece of legislation that made life better for millions of people? But BS gets more credit because he held his nose really hard?

Please tell me you aren't saying that.

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JudyM

(29,122 posts)
42. He was instrumental in getting ACA passed by bringing in rural senators.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 12:03 PM
Feb 2020
Sanders successfully added a provision to the Affordable Care Act to fund $11 billion to community health centers, especially those in rural areas. The provision brought together Democrats on the left with Democrats from conservative, rural areas, helping to secure the 60 votes needed for passage.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders#Finance_and_monetary_policy
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Squinch

(50,774 posts)
43. So the ACA is his accomplishment? He gets "most credit" as the poster contends?
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 12:08 PM
Feb 2020
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JudyM

(29,122 posts)
44. He was instrumental in its passage and the $11B clinic funding he secured has had a huge impact on
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 12:17 PM
Feb 2020

people’s lives in underserved communities. This is part of his long effort to secure health care for everyone.

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Undecided
 

radius777

(3,624 posts)
33. Sanders is from a small rural white state
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 11:15 AM
Feb 2020

and has never had much risk in losing his Senate seat, especially back in 2010 when he had no presidential aspirations.

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seaglass

(8,170 posts)
45. The Republican healthcare plan out of MA that would not have passed without Ted Kennedy?
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 02:15 PM
Feb 2020

And an overwhelming D legislature? You have to be kidding me.

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Squinch

(50,774 posts)
17. Your own source shows that for all but two years, he was ineffective as a Senator.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 10:37 AM
Feb 2020

In only two years in 30 do they deem him to have been an effective Senator. TWO YEARS OUT OF 30. And since 2007, it appears he has done nothing at all.

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JudyM

(29,122 posts)
31. Um. He was elected to the Senate in '06. That data is re: House.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 11:09 AM
Feb 2020
From 1995 to 2007, Sanders passed 17 amendments by a recorded roll call vote — more than any other member in the House.
Republicans wee in control of the House during most of his tenure there.

Craig Volden, an expert on the legislative process at the University of Virginia, told PolitiFact that records like these are rather unusual in the House.

"There are so few members with large numbers of substantive and successful amendments," he said. "Sanders and Traficant were exceptions to that rule."


His very first successful amendment helped to establish and fund statewide cancer registries throughout America and mandated a study of elevated breast cancer rates that had been identified in several states (including Vermont) and the District of Columbia. Other Sanders legislation enacted via amendment (just to mention a few) range from substantial investments in energy efficiency programs, to prohibiting the importation of goods made by exploited child laborers, to helping the victims of white collar crime receive restitution, to increasing funding for Meals on Wheels, to numerous amendments to help veterans and the families of active duty service members. He also amended a Department of Defense bill after the 9/11 attack to include a $100 million investment in community health centers and he amended an agriculture bill in 2009 to include $350 million in emergency funds to aid struggling family farms.
...
when Sanders was chair of the Senate Veterans’ Affairs Committee, he led the effort in 2014 to pass major funding and reform of the Veterans Health Administration. This $16 billion investment was one of the most significant pieces of legislation passed during President Obama's second term.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/5/5/1855034/-Bernie-Sanders-is-an-accomplished-effective-leader-hope-you-read-this-and-learn-something-new
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Squinch

(50,774 posts)
37. In the Senate, he named 2 post offices and got a COLA for veterans. Those were the three bills
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 11:23 AM
Feb 2020

he passed.

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gab13by13

(20,867 posts)
4. Then why does Warren
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 10:11 AM
Feb 2020

advocate many of Bernie's policies? Liz is my 2nd choice because she and Bernie are much alike.

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MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
8. Except Warren actually gets shit done.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 10:21 AM
Feb 2020

And doesn’t trash the Democratic Party and sow division.

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Beringia

(4,314 posts)
38. Neither has gotten much done
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 11:24 AM
Feb 2020

Elizabeth Warren was the primary sponsor of 9 bills that were enacted. The most recent include:

S. 693: National POW/MIA Flag Act
S. 1501: Blast Pressure Exposure Study Improvement Act
S. 3130: SIT-REP Act of 2018
S. 2355: A bill to designate the facility of the United States Postal Service located at 25 New Chardon Street Lobby in Boston, Massachusetts, as the “John Fitzgerald Kennedy Post ...
S. 1503: Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame Commemorative Coin Act
S. 1198: Veterans Care Financial Protection Act of 2017
S. 670: Over-the-Counter Hearing Aid Act of 2017

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/elizabeth_warren/412542



Bernie Sanders was the primary sponsor of 7 bills that were enacted:

S. 885 (113th): A bill to designate the facility of the United States Postal Service located at 35 Park Street in Danville, Vermont, as the “Thaddeus Stevens Post Office”.
S. 2782 (113th): A bill to amend title 36, United States Code, to improve the Federal charter for the Veterans of Foreign Wars of the United States, and for other ...
S. 893 (113th): Veterans’ Compensation Cost-of-Living Adjustment Act of 2013
H.R. 5245 (109th): To designate the facility of the United States Postal Service located at 1 Marble Street in Fair Haven, Vermont, as the “Matthew Lyon Post Office Building”.
H.J.Res. 129 (104th): Granting the consent of Congress to the Vermont-New Hampshire Interstate Public Water Supply Compact.
H.R. 1353 (102nd): Entitled the “Taconic Mountains Protection Act of 1991”.
H.J.Res. 132 (102nd): To designate March 4, 1991, as “Vermont Bicentennial Day”.


Does 7 not sound like a lot? Very few bills are ever enacted — most legislators sponsor only a handful that are signed into law. But there are other legislative activities that we don’t track that are also important, including offering amendments, committee work and oversight of the other branches, and constituent services.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/bernard_sanders/400357

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Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
40. She is not like Bernie and would not be branded as a socialist/communist. She is a capitalist.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 11:31 AM
Feb 2020

She could win a general with a VP like Tim Ryan...Sanders won't win a general...and his policies are more extreme than Warrens.

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redstatebluegirl

(12,264 posts)
6. The fact that he is the preferred candidate of the orange menace should concern all of us.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 10:19 AM
Feb 2020
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kentuck

(110,950 posts)
7. Donald Trump is a proven liar.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 10:20 AM
Feb 2020

We should believe nothing he says.

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redstatebluegirl

(12,264 posts)
9. But we need to watch what he DOES, and he has been defending BS for a long time now.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 10:21 AM
Feb 2020

He doesn't do things for no reason, ever.

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Squinch

(50,774 posts)
14. The russians worked to help Bernie. That tells us something.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 10:31 AM
Feb 2020
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thesquanderer

(11,955 posts)
18. I don't trust Trumps's judgment about ANYTHING.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 10:38 AM
Feb 2020

If he thinks Sanders would be the easiest to beat, it probably means he would be the hardest to beat!

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highplainsdem

(48,731 posts)
19. I haven't seen anyone here confuse Sanders with Trump. I certainly don't, and I won't hesitate to
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 10:42 AM
Feb 2020

vote for Sanders in the GE, and to urge others to do so, if only because Sanders (along with almost everyone else in the country, not to mention my cat) is better than Trump.

That said --

I don't think there will be much left of Sanders' chances after Trump and the Republicans finally go after him.

I believe that of all our candidates, Sanders poses the greatest risk to us of giving Trump a landslide re-election victory and costing us Democratic control of the House, as well as failing to retake the Senate.

I also believe that if by some miracle Sanders somehow wins the GE, he'll fall so far short of delivering on his promises that he'll not only have no chance of re-election, but the Democratic Party in general will be hurt, for more than one election.

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dalton99a

(81,073 posts)
32. +1. Bernie is every Republican's dream come true.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 11:11 AM
Feb 2020

Historic Democratic losses at the polls



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kentuck

(110,950 posts)
34. Will you not vote if Bernie is the nominee?
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 11:20 AM
Feb 2020

How many people do you know that say they will not vote if Bernie is the nominee?

How could Democrats have "historic losses"?

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dalton99a

(81,073 posts)
36. I support Democrats.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 11:23 AM
Feb 2020


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kentuck

(110,950 posts)
47. Do you believe Bernie and Bloomberg to be Democrats?
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 02:22 PM
Feb 2020

And being a good Democrat, will vote for whomever the nominee might be?

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NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
49. I do not have a response for you.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 02:25 PM
Feb 2020
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kentuck

(110,950 posts)
50. Well, would you expect Bernie supporters to vote for whomever the nominee might be....
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 02:35 PM
Feb 2020

...if it was someone other than Bernie?

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NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
51. My expectations in that regard are zero. I have ZERO expectations from them.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 02:39 PM
Feb 2020

Does that satisfy your curiosity?

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jcmaine72

(1,773 posts)
27. All this red baiting and fearmongering about Socialism has me wondering if I didn't get run over
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 11:02 AM
Feb 2020

at some point by Doc Brown's DeLorean as it was about to hit 88 mph and got dragged back to 1985.

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dalton99a

(81,073 posts)
28. Bernie is not Trump, but Bernie will give us another four years of Trump
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 11:05 AM
Feb 2020

AND a Republican House AND down-ballot losses

AND President Donald J. Trump Jr.



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NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
48. Agreed. We'll also have a 7-2 conservative majority in the USSC.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 02:25 PM
Feb 2020

All of Trump's other judicial appointments will sail through. Roe will be overturned. Religious exceptions (exemptions) for equal protections and equal treatment for same-sex couples will increase.

Hopefully I'd be dead before Junior became president. But I fear for what the world will be like for my children and my new grandson.

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YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
30. The Democratic Party's platform is 'socialist' so what's the hype for?
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 11:09 AM
Feb 2020

It always has been.

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Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
39. I am not afraid of a Sanders presidency...I am afraid he loses the general and Trump wins.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 11:25 AM
Feb 2020

If I believed Sanders could win, I would vote for him even though I dislike him. We must nominate a candidate who can beat Trump.

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Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
52. trump really wants to run against a weak and unelectable candidate like sanders
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 06:10 PM
Feb 2020
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Gothmog

(144,005 posts)
53. The grandson of GHW Bush is running this ad against sanders and socialism for the TEX CD 22 race
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 12:44 PM
Feb 2020

TX CD 22 is an open seat with Pete Olson retiring. The DCCC has targeted this seat for flipping. There are 15 candidates in GOP primary including the grandson of GHW Bush. Another candidate, Kathleen Wall, is running in the GOP primary and she spent $6 million in 2018 running in GOP primary for TX CD 2 and did not make GOP primary runoff. I have had Wall block walkers come to my house twice (I live in a very GOP neighborhood) and I have found Wall doorhanger on my door twice now.

Pierce Bush is running against socialism



Sri Preston Kulkarni is the leading Democrat for this seat (Sri has a GOP type and another person running against him in the Texas Democratic Primary) I texted this ad to Sri and he knew about it already. Sri Preston Kulkarni is a great guy and we need to flip this seat

If sanders is the nominee, we can forget about this seat and we will have Kevin McCarthy as speaker
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