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Under The Radar

(3,401 posts)
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:47 PM Feb 2020

My apologies, but I feel Self Funding of a campaign is better....

.....than being indebted to wealthy contributors, large corporations and special interest groups who fund campaigns secretly through Super-PACs, all of which want a specific return on their investment that is likely not beneficial to the general population.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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My apologies, but I feel Self Funding of a campaign is better.... (Original Post) Under The Radar Feb 2020 OP
What Bloomberg has a long history of doing is bribing people so they'll be beholden to him. Garrett78 Feb 2020 #1
Source? left-of-center2012 Feb 2020 #5
It's pretty well-known going back a long time. As is the racism and misogyny. Garrett78 Feb 2020 #9
+1! N/T Devil Child Feb 2020 #6
False framing Xipe Totec Feb 2020 #2
Self funding a campaign is better than facing a... Sloumeau Feb 2020 #3
That would mean only the very wealthy could run. CatMor Feb 2020 #4
welcome to the NFL Under The Radar Feb 2020 #11
Welcome to Citizens United world. We may not like it, but it's where we live. Squinch Feb 2020 #13
Candidates have always been able to use their own money frazzled Feb 2020 #19
Yes, I know. That is why Citizens United is so destructive. Squinch Feb 2020 #20
I don't think that is the answer. frazzled Feb 2020 #21
That was one of the arguments people made for supporting Trump ibegurpard Feb 2020 #7
True but Trump said that he was but didn't. Under The Radar Feb 2020 #10
At least he's putting *his* money where his mouth is relayerbob Feb 2020 #8
Trump ran on that premise PatSeg Feb 2020 #12
He ran on that PROMISE but then, of course he broke it and Squinch Feb 2020 #14
But lied about it. squirecam Feb 2020 #15
Of course PatSeg Feb 2020 #22
So if you're wealthy and contribute to your own campaign, you are not a "wealthy contributor"? kentuck Feb 2020 #16
It's not buying the election - unless your name is Bloomberg. patricia92243 Feb 2020 #17
Maybe if we did things like other countries we wouldn't be in this Nanjeanne Feb 2020 #18
Agreed. But complicated rules are created.... Under The Radar Feb 2020 #24
So you'd disapprove of Sanders getting help from Our Revolution? highplainsdem Feb 2020 #23
 

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
1. What Bloomberg has a long history of doing is bribing people so they'll be beholden to him.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:50 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Xipe Totec

(43,890 posts)
2. False framing
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:51 PM
Feb 2020

It would be better if the media, as a public service, which is the reason they are licensed to operate, would carry political adds free of charge for all candidates.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Sloumeau

(2,657 posts)
3. Self funding a campaign is better than facing a...
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:51 PM
Feb 2020

Republican opponent with insufficient funds.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

CatMor

(6,212 posts)
4. That would mean only the very wealthy could run.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:52 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
13. Welcome to Citizens United world. We may not like it, but it's where we live.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 08:07 PM
Feb 2020

And we have to work within it to win enough to change it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
19. Candidates have always been able to use their own money
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 08:34 PM
Feb 2020

We’re not talking about wealthy people here. When Bloomberg spends 300 million on ads, that is a mere one half of one percent of his 61 billion dollar fortune (.0049). If another candidate raises 30 million, or contributes 30 million of their personal funds, and spends a half of one percent on ads, they’d only get to spend $147,000. I doubt that could buy more than single ad or two. Regular candidates have to expend a far greater amount of their war chest, and still can’t compete. And they have even less to spend on field offices and staff.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
20. Yes, I know. That is why Citizens United is so destructive.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 08:40 PM
Feb 2020

But it is what we have to contend with. And the only way to get rid of it is to take back all the branches of the government. The only way to do THAT is to have people of huge wealth on your side.

Republicans have that. Trump has an enormous war chest. Bloomberg has enough money to fight that. Few others do.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
21. I don't think that is the answer.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 08:52 PM
Feb 2020

That will destroy the democratic process just as much as Citizens United.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
7. That was one of the arguments people made for supporting Trump
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:55 PM
Feb 2020

just so you know

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Under The Radar

(3,401 posts)
10. True but Trump said that he was but didn't.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 08:03 PM
Feb 2020

He was reimbursed by the RNC for his primary expenditures then fully funded by the RNC and 501C3’s in the general.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

relayerbob

(6,544 posts)
8. At least he's putting *his* money where his mouth is
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 07:55 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PatSeg

(47,418 posts)
12. Trump ran on that premise
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 08:07 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
14. He ran on that PROMISE but then, of course he broke it and
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 08:08 PM
Feb 2020

demanded to be reimbursed.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

squirecam

(2,706 posts)
15. But lied about it.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 08:09 PM
Feb 2020

Bloomberg isn’t lying about it.

Steyer got donors because he had to because of the debate requirements.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

PatSeg

(47,418 posts)
22. Of course
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 08:55 PM
Feb 2020

We know Trump lied. He never spends a dime of his own money if he doesn't have to. However, it was one of his main selling points in 2016.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

kentuck

(111,082 posts)
16. So if you're wealthy and contribute to your own campaign, you are not a "wealthy contributor"?
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 08:25 PM
Feb 2020

Does not compute.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

patricia92243

(12,595 posts)
17. It's not buying the election - unless your name is Bloomberg.
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 08:28 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Nanjeanne

(4,954 posts)
18. Maybe if we did things like other countries we wouldn't be in this
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 08:33 PM
Feb 2020

Predicament.

The longest Canadian campaign was 11 weeks.
UK limits the among each party can spend in an election year
Germany they release one 90 second tv ad
France’s Pres election cycle is about 2 weeks
The longest campaign in Australian history lasted 94 days.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Under The Radar

(3,401 posts)
24. Agreed. But complicated rules are created....
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 09:10 PM
Feb 2020

By those who have no intention of playing by the rules.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

highplainsdem

(48,973 posts)
23. So you'd disapprove of Sanders getting help from Our Revolution?
Tue Feb 18, 2020, 08:55 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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