***** DEBATE THREAD #3 *****

[TexasTowelie]

This is turning feisty among the candidates.

[cherryinpa]

1. Bloomberg

Not impressive at all.

Seems to be vague and uncomfortable.

Sweating like a pig.

[XRubicon]

7. I agree, I heard he was a bad debater

Looks like it is true.

Pete is doing good.

[Baitball Blogger]

19. Not necessarily that he's a bad debater, but the others are debating in their fighting weight.

More recent experience.

[XRubicon]

57. Im glad they are getting it over with

Who the fuck does the lighting? they all look bad including the moderator.

Anyway, I am voting for the nominee.

[UniteFightBack]

165. Oh no he's a bad debater ...it's a well known fact and then with all these people and the pile on

and he is really rusty...it's a rough night for him...but don't be surprised if voters don't care.

[uponit7771]

32. He's getting deservedly bashed in the grill by person standing next to him. I'm impressed with her

[BKDem]

88. He can't take a punch.

He's as arrogant as Trump.

He still loves Stop n Frisk.

Fuck Bloomberg.

(Unless he's the nominee).

[drray23]

2. Bloomberg being asked about stop and frisk.

he is apologizing for it and admitting it got out of control.

[apcalc]

4. I'll give him credit for that admission.

[uponit7771]

41. I don't, he understands it wasn't ignorance of his it was an out and out racist policy & he knew it

... it wasn't a mistake of the head it was of the heart.

[yaesu]

3. bloomberg, smartly, is playing rope a dope, taking the punches while getting his policy out. nt

[highplainsdem]

11. Yes. He's deflecting, making his case. And as much as many of us like the attacks on him,

there's a chance his calmer demeanor may make him seem like the adult in the room to many viewers.

[redstateblues]

131. I predict that his numbers will go up after this

[Bradshaw3]

35. Oh baloney

He has a deer in the headlights look. His only strategy so far is to misrepresent his record on stop and frisk and Obamacare.

[BKDem]

186. Yep.

He looks like he his having no fun at all. And rightly so.

[Bradshaw3]

211. Warren is doing what the MSM should have done

Make him deal with his actual record.

[BKDem]

217. Yep.

Mayor Mike doesn't like to be challenged.

I think we already have a President like that, and it's not working for me.

[uponit7771]

46. No ... jus ... no, he's been bashed in the grill by Warren at every step

[highplainsdem]

5. Turning feisty? I've seen pro wrestling matches with less yelling.

[DanieRains]

6. Darnit Bernie Saying All Americans Have A Right To Healthcare

What a crazy idea.

Healthcare a right?

What about profits!!!

Capitalism for the sick.

Corporations can decide who lives and dies by their bottom line.

Just like it is done nowhere else on the planet.

[lapucelle]

118. If you read past Democratic Party Platforms,

you'll discover that this is not a new idea.

[aikoaiko]

8. What Bloomberg isn't saying is that NYC murder rates were already go down drastically

well before stop and frisk. As they were in most of the country.

[ancianita]

13. Good chart, thanks.

[caber09]

45. Stop & Frisk was going on since early 80s, it just wasn't nicknamed that

I am from NYC, it had been going on since Koch, just not called Stop & Frisk...that huge dip you see on the graph was under Rudy...who also had similar policies..it did get out of control which is why it has it the fan in his last year or so as mayor...Deblasio has taken over and somehow crime still went lower...but now with the bail reform law passed...and rushed through, it has to be fixed...or Dems will lose alot of office holders....this bail reform has led to a spike in crime recently unfortunately

[aikoaiko]

198. Sure, Terry Stops happened everywhere, but Bloomberg jacked them up from 100,000 to 500,000

from 2002 to 2008.

Yes, murders went down, but they were already in steep decline from the 10-12 years ago.

[PatSeg]

117. Thanks, facts matter!

[BlueIdaho]

9. Bloomberg looks calm, the rest of the panel is amature hour.

Stop shouting, interrupting, and attacking each other.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

10. "...a bunch of African-American clergy..." --Bloomberg

Maybe not the best way of describing a focus group.

[drray23]

12. chuck is doing all he can to dig up as much dirt on candidates to get them to fight.nt.

[ancianita]

15. A chance for each of them to show they've evolved, and how. Like Klobuchar is doing that.

[elleng]

18. Planned, scripted.

[DesertRat]

14. Elizabeth brought receipts tonight!

[C_U_L8R]

16. Bloomberg thought he could just walk onto this moving train

He sure looks shellshocked and not up to campaign speed. I thought he'd come into the debate stronger than this.

[ancianita]

21. He seems to be holding his own.

[Happy Hoosier]

29. Really?

I’m completely underwhelmed.

[ancianita]

39. I hear you. But I see this as a long debate, trying to stay positive about all of them.

[Happy Hoosier]

50. Fair enough. Glad to see Liz back in the game!

She’s doing well tonight.

[bdamomma]

220. what's bloomberg's

real reason to coming in, he would be more effective on the sidelines.

just my opinion.

[squirecam]

102. I'm not so sure

Nt

[Renew Deal]

17. I don't think that getting into the weeds about criminal cases really interests the voters.

There was evidence then. There is new evidence now. It doesn't mean anything to the election.

[squirecam]

20. Amy gets the police shooting question

Explains the context.

MSNBC seems to want blood tonight. And they are getting it.

[DURHAM D]

22. Can not imagine that a moderate Republican or Independent in

Missouri or Wisconsin or a retired senior in Arizona, Texas, or Florida is going to jump up and say "I like candidate ______. I am going to vote for her/him".

iows - this way of picking our nominee is ugly .

[question everything]

150. Agree. They are all attacking Bloomberg

And have no chance to promote their plans

[tishaLA]

23. I like Klobuchar, but I find her answers

re: her work as a DA weak. And I've never seen her answer why she didn't get around to prosecuting a single one of the cops who killed civilians.

[squirecam]

40. It's tough to answer in a minutes because

The context is left out.

All those cases went to the grand jury. That’s the way it was done.

Today she agrees the prosecutor should make the decision themselves.

[elleng]

69. Yes

[StevieM]

86. I don't know how many people she spun with her answer, but she definitely didn't spin me.

I think her record as a prosecutor is extremely problematic.

[Renew Deal]

24. Sanders makes ugly comment about Bloombergs health.

That was a low blow.

[MustLoveBeagles]

37. Yep

Does he really want to go there?

[Renew Deal]

59. Are we really going to litigate individual procedures?

[squirecam]

73. Guess so

Nt

[we can do it]

119. Especially BS.

[MustLoveBeagles]

148. You'd think he of all people would want to avoid that topic.

[drray23]

25. bam, Sanders is being asked about his medical records.nt.

[still_one]

51. That is an important question for someone running for President of the United States

[Cha]

79. Good.. he said he was going to release all of them..

Link to tweet

[LiberalFighter]

192. The appropriate time? For him or the voters?

[demofan40]

26. I'm not liking it at all

Too much vitriol. There are points that have to be made but everyone started off going for the jugular.

[highplainsdem]

31. As I said earlier, some viewers will think a net should be dropped on these people. Bloomberg

is coming across as calmer, and possibly as more mature to some viewers.

[crimycarny]

54. Me too!

I just turned it on and all I'm hearing is a bunch of bashing among the candidates. I want to hear about policy. Ugh...

[highplainsdem]

27. Sanders just lied about having released the full records on his heart attack.

[Happy Hoosier]

36. Yup. Not good enough Bernie.

What is he hiding?

[DURHAM D]

28. Mute is not enough.

Those crazy arms/hands make me nuts.

[Renew Deal]

44. He's about to take off.

[ancianita]

30. Bernie's health answer is great. And funny.

Personally I think the health issue is veiled ageism.

Bernie shows that transparency is in the DOING.

[Happy Hoosier]

60. Disagree...

He made a promise and went back on it. I want to know why.

[ancianita]

84. Look, we're here to express opinions, not create our own debate. We can do all that tomorrow.

If we make a comment about everyone we disagree with, this thread loses its broader value.

We could be supportive, not disagreeable. Take this up with me later, okay?

[melman]

33. "I spoke up on something similar"

What the hell?

[Renew Deal]

34. Buttigieg deftly pivots from Sanders health to Sanders health care plan.

[highplainsdem]

42. Yes. Good answer from Buttigieg.

[rwheeler31]

56. Pete and Joe And Amy are doing the best at answering the questions.

[Renew Deal]

65. I agree

[still_one]

106. I am glad to hear that

[highplainsdem]

38. Pete to Bernie: "The time has come to level with the American people."

[ancianita]

53. I don't care if any of them is "transparent" except by their running great campaigns.

This transparency issue is bullshit. On their worst day ANY Democrat is more transparent than their ultimate opponent, bottom to top, on every issue.

[Cha]

90. About what.. thanks!

[highplainsdem]

123. His health, and the cost of his policy proposals.

[ecstatic]

43. lmao @ Bernie dragging bloom under the bus with him

"We both have 2 stents."

[highplainsdem]

48. One stent for Bloomberg, according to what I read, and not for a heart attack. No heart damage.

Sanders and his people should stop lying about this.

[LiberalFighter]

199. If I heard right that stent was 20 years ago.

[highplainsdem]

209. Yes.

[UniteFightBack]

62. +1000

[Blue_true]

200. I like the way you wrote that. nt

[squirecam]

47. This is an angry vicious debate

Nt

[MustLoveBeagles]

68. I came in an hour late

I'm having difficulty keeping up.

[LaurenOlimina]

49. good reply pete

[uponit7771]

52. OH WOW !!! Another reason he's just like Trump ... just damn

[UniteFightBack]

55. More YELLING. nt

[apcalc]

71. He's always seems so angry- 4 years of that? Noooooooo

[yaesu]

58. I'm hoping things calm down, policy differences are calmly explained, less attacks and I'm

not happy with ganging up on Bloomberg, its just unattractive.

[Glimmer of Hope]

61. Yay Turbo Taxers!

[Hav]

63. Nice answer by Pete to the idiotic and tiring status quo line

from the Sanders camp.

[Aaron Pereira]

64. Mike doesn't use Turbo Tax.

Awesome.

[drray23]

70. neither do i. giving the size of his fortune, its obvious he cant do that fast.nt.

[uponit7771]

81. +1

[UniteFightBack]

100. That was a joke. nt

[Blue_true]

216. Given the size and complexity of his wealth, he would be a complete fool

to try to use a tool like TurboTax. He needs an army of accountants.

[Aaron Pereira]

218. I know. He just seemed to take pride in it.

I just had to laugh about that a little because we all know he shouldn't be using Turbo Tax.

[ecstatic]

66. Holy crap if Pete is right about the unaccounted for funds in Bernie's plan...

A hole bigger than the US economy?

[Renew Deal]

98. The size of the economy in 2018 is $20.58 trillion.

So sounds about right.

https://www.investopedia.com/insights/worlds-top-economies

[LaurenOlimina]

67. Go Amy!

[Otto Lidenbrock]

72. Bloomberg is a passionless speaker

[squirecam]

85. He could have been done after tonight because he's doing poorly.

But they have been attacking each other instead.

[LiberalFighter]

204. It is a lot closer to being done tonight then surging.

[Lucid Dreamer]

74. Signing off. I'll watch it tomorrow. These debates are getting worse, not better. nt

[VarryOn]

103. Painful nt

[backtoblue]

75. Warren:

On bloombergs taxes...."pay overtime and get it done"

[LiberalFighter]

89. That excuse he just got into the race doesn't cut it.

What about his earlier tax returns?

[backtoblue]

105. She just ate his lunch on NDAs!

[LiberalFighter]

130. Bloomberg getting hit hard on that.

[DURHAM D]

91. This.

[LaurenOlimina]

76. Bloomberg is gonna screw this up...

[marlakay]

77. Mike just sounded rude

To the interviewer, not good.

[uponit7771]

78. ✨✨✨✨Bloomberg Has No Standout Swing State Appeal✨✨✨✨

[UniteFightBack]

92. Well he's actually coming in second behind Biden in the swing states. nt

[uponit7771]

108. No he's not in all of them ... check 538 ... I think new polls will be coming out but he's not doing

... any better than the rest of the field according to MSNBC's polling.

It was on MJ this monrning

[UniteFightBack]

147. I mean the obvious choice is BIDEN for goodness sakes!! nt

[uponit7771]

208. True, I'm just saying Bloomberg is 3rd at best IIRC from MSNBC latest SS poll.

[Renew Deal]

109. Where is he in the last Virginia poll?

[uponit7771]

127. 538 doesn't have him registered their and Fl, Mi, PA and WI are biggest swings states in 2020

[Renew Deal]

141. What about Virginia?

[MontanaFarmer]

80. Gotcha question after gotcha question.

The last debate was much better moderated than this one thus far.

[denem]

94. +1000

[bullwinkle428]

82. Bloomberg has binders full of women!!!

[ecstatic]

83. roflmao! "I can't go to Turbotax."

Actually, CreditKarma is the way to go these days. 100% FREE! LOL!

[applegrove]

87. I think it is good it is an emotional debate. That will make it more compelling and telling. nt

[PatSeg]

180. Yes, I'm liking it

I'm seeing the best in several of the candidates.

[applegrove]

185. Yes. Maybe they needed a Bloomberg to light a fire under them. nt

[PatSeg]

196. It appears so

Much easier to go after him than one another.

[uponit7771]

93. THANK YOU WARREN !!! She's going after Bloomberg the same way EVERYONE should go after Trump !!!

[blm]

107. She will slice and dice Trump on stage.

[ancianita]

95. Warren on NDA's! GO, LIZ! "How many NDA's, Mr. Mayor??"

[ginnyinWI]

96. Don't want to hear them bickering

About health plan details.

I want to see someone who can outsmart Trump. I want to see a person who is a clear contrast in personality. Clear, honest, and smart.

[totodeinhere]

114. I think every person on that stage is a clear contrast to Trump. n/t

[totodeinhere]

97. Liz making hit after hit on Bloomberg. Go Liz! n/t

[backtoblue]

146. Bernie just brought up his donating to republican senators nt

[totodeinhere]

194. He also donated to Rick Snyder, the Republican governor who poisoned children

in Flint, Michigan.

[LaurenOlimina]

99. Oh damn Liz!

She's scoring the hits tonight...

Release the NDA's!!!

[melman]

101. "I've been nice to some women"

Yow!

[zeusdogmom]

104. Bloomberg should stick to the trump attack ads

And leave the run for presidency to the others on the stage.

His anti-trump ads are good and can do a great service for our country. But he is not presidential material.

[dchill]

110. ELIZABETH WARREN.

[KewlKat]

111. If I was an uninformed voter in NV, I would have changed the channel

How is this bickering helping anyone to decide who to vote for?

[Taraman]

171. It's hot in the kitchen! I think it shows whose character would fit the job.

People really don't care much about details in policy

[LaurenOlimina]

112. Bloomberg is screwing himself...

...screwn.

[jcgoldie]

113. Elizabeth Warren has ended Michael Bloomberg tonight

RIP

[ancianita]

137. More than anyone, she's standing up for women voters!

[cherryinpa]

138. LOL

Bloomberg’s face was like why the hell did I even get involve with these guys.

Warren just pounded him into ground.

He’s probably never taken that much abuse in his life, although given plenty.

[DesertRat]

193. She persisted

[The_Counsel]

115. "Turning" Feisty?

It had been feisty from Question #1.

[Glimmer of Hope]

116. Liz is killing it.

[C_U_L8R]

120. Elizabeth throws the mighty hammer down !

Oomph

[IcyPeas]

139. she is persisting at being persistent - lol

yeeeouch

[Happy Hoosier]

121. Liz knee-capping Bloomberg

She came to play.

[uponit7771]

142. She's whoopin his azz, I'm impressed

[aikoaiko]

122. Liz, I love you.

[ancianita]

124. WARREN IS NAILING THE WOMEN'S VOTE TONIGHT!! GO, LIZ!

Nice joke to make nice, Pet.

[TexasTowelie]

125. Beginning thread #4.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287542280

[LaurenOlimina]

126. Michael whomberg?

[melman]

128. Warren just ended Bloomberg

He is done.

[applegrove]

129. Warren is on fire. Welcome back Warren.

[blm]

153. She will gut Trump on stage.

[Bradshaw3]

132. Holding his feet to the fire

Way to go Liz!

He's fumbling over his words. Hope people take note of this because the repubs surely will.

[mvd]

133. Wow, Warren is on fire!

I think she has the most native intelligence of anyone on the stage.. Biden and Bernie also doing well.

[tulipsandroses]

134. Warren is slicing Bloomberg to pieces. Go Liz!

I told a few jokes? WTF?

[emmaverybo]

135. Bloomberg has been weak, expressions pinched, unfriendly eyes, looks opposite of transparent.

[ancianita]

143. I've never seen him good on his feet except with a ready script.

[Renew Deal]

136. Biden is like popcorn in a popcorn machine

[MoonchildCA]

140. Liz gets the zinger of the evening.

This could do him in.
And now Biden is rolling with it.
Wow!

[Renew Deal]

144. Bloomberg was not prepared for that argument.

[MoonchildCA]

162. That might do him in.

It was an explosive revelation.
She might not win the nomination, but she might be able to take credit for planting the seed to take him down.

[blm]

160. Biden gave good backup.

[MoonchildCA]

169. He did.

The whole exchange was eye opening.

[PatSeg]

189. Wow!

[emmaverybo]

145. Proud of them all for challenging Bloomberg. They are pinning him on policies and attitudes that

diverge from Dem party values.

[Bradshaw3]

183. This is their chance

He's spent $400M on ads so this is one of the few times they can answer.

[Renew Deal]

151. Nobody needs to know the name of every president everywhere.

[LiberalFighter]

213. My thought too.

Especially when they change more than usual.

[ecstatic]

152. Ok, looks like we're getting to meet Boston Beth tonight.

She don't take no crap! She came to fight!!

[IcyPeas]

154. you go on Telemundo you should know the Mexican President's names

I thought that was pretty bad (not disqualifying... but bad)

[ancianita]

157. THIS moderator wants to debate. Good God.

[ecstatic]

219. Fair enough. I admit to looking it up the other day

after MSNBC /Morning Joe had a segment showing how only one random American knew the names of the presidents of Mexico and Canada.

Of course, I'm not running for anything... lol

[dchill]

155. Bloomberg is the nail. Elizabeth Warren is the biggest hammer.

[blm]

175. That will be Trump. She morphs into an assassin. Captain Marvel.

[dchill]

195. Exactly!

[Miles Archer]

156. Not Mike's night.

Really, really, really NOT MIKE'S NIGHT.

[LaurenOlimina]

164. Yeah Michael who?

[LaurenOlimina]

168. Tenure is not the same as judgement...

[Gidney N Cloyd]

158. Well done Warren and Biden dealing with the Bloomberg NDAs

[blm]

188. They tagteamed really well on that.

[PatSeg]

205. Beautifully done!

[LiberalFighter]

214. Bad excuses by Bloomberg.

[Renew Deal]

161. Klobuchar's response to Pete was ungraceful.

[UniteFightBack]

172. Pete knows how to land them. nt

[spooky3]

163. In addition to some excessive vitriol, I would like to complain about excessive false eyelashes

on the moderators. These are so unnecessary.

[awesomerwb1]

166. LOL Amy Amy Amy

[Renew Deal]

170. She melted in that argument.

[uponit7771]

167. No Pete ... please stop ... please.

[DesertRat]

191. Pete shouldn't be lecturing on leadership

He doesn't have enough experience to have messed up- and thinks he can lecture the rest of them in values

[frazzled]

206. I think he's right to question what senatorial

“experience” really means, since it’s being thrown about as a weapon so much. It certainly doesn’t involve the kind of executive or managerial skill involved in the presidency. It gives you insider knowledge about how the games in Washington are played. But let’s face it, we’re saying we don’t always particularly like what those games have produced over these many decades.

And it’s true, winning big in Minnesota or Vermont is absolutely irrelevant to who can win a national race. These are real questions I’ve asked myself, and I’m glad he asked them. There are some myths to bust.

[uponit7771]

210. He didn't do that he picked off a word and bounced the question of experience from there.

[frazzled]

212. That wasn't what I listened to.

[ancianita]

173. This defensive moderator is insufferable.

[rockfordfile]

179. I agree

[UniteFightBack]

174. Klobuchar doesn't need anyone to stick up for her though. nt

[Renew Deal]

177. The entire scenario was rough

She withered under the pressure. Not everyone is cut out to be president.

[UniteFightBack]

184. It was not pretty. nt

[uponit7771]

197. Unnnn, the mod was half assed just like the question. This gotcha shit doesn't help anyone

[ecstatic]

222. It didn't help Amy. It elevated EW into

a protector/defender. EW is doing everything right tonight. #BostonBeth

[Renew Deal]

176. Biden waving a mexican flag on stage

[UniteFightBack]

178. Biden, I'm the only one who knows the man and has met with him. SAY it again JOE! nt

[UniteFightBack]

182. And that's just what he did girl! nt

[dchill]

203. Didn't name names, though.

[UniteFightBack]

207. LOL. nt

[uponit7771]

181. The last 5 minutes was so half assed by the moderators

[ancianita]

187. Definitely.

[Renew Deal]

190. Halftime!

[krissey]

201. ***** DEBATE THREAD #4 *****

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=542280

[LaurenOlimina]

202. Debate thread #4

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=542485

[cilla4progress]

215. I love mostly every single one of them

Except Elizabeth Warren really elevated things so I FULLY love her!

[PaulRevere08]

221. The debate moderators are so very terrible. They are

no better than paparazzi.

[tiredtoo]

223. go Joe

It's greed that caused the collapse of Wall Street.