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Moderateguy

(945 posts)
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:23 AM Feb 2020

Don't start writing off Bloomberg just yet..

He’s self funded which means he’ll stay in the race until HE chooses not to. His constant Ads are seen by millions of more people than those who saw, or even care, about the debates.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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Don't start writing off Bloomberg just yet.. (Original Post) Moderateguy Feb 2020 OP
Correct. Very few voters saw the debate tonight. Mike still gets to define himself stopbush Feb 2020 #1
Money will keep him in. BlueTsunami2018 Feb 2020 #2
+++++++++++++++++ emmaverybo Feb 2020 #7
Bloomberg can keep paying a few hundred million bucks Deero Feb 2020 #21
Could be too late. But I sure hope so! emmaverybo Feb 2020 #23
+1 2naSalit Feb 2020 #41
I'm pissed at Michael Bloomberg CalFione Feb 2020 #3
and in my view he has hurt Biden the worst, with Amy and Pete to a lesser degree still_one Feb 2020 #5
You have to lay blame at sleep walking Biden for that Moderateguy Feb 2020 #6
Biden was ahead for near a year. He still is in swing states. And leading in S.C. Both billionaires emmaverybo Feb 2020 #12
Biden's poor showing in Iowa and NH had nothing to do with Bloomberg or Steyer. thesquanderer Feb 2020 #47
They very much have to do with his projections in other states. Steyer has had an effect on emmaverybo Feb 2020 #49
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2020 #30
I think he has something to say, everyone was targeting him, he took it, Hoyt Feb 2020 #4
"he took it" jcgoldie Feb 2020 #8
Guess you missed "Rope a Dope" in the 1970s. Hoyt Feb 2020 #10
The dope got roped tonight Bradshaw3 Feb 2020 #13
No. He looked like someone being attacked on Stop and Frisk even Hoyt Feb 2020 #14
Well you know black people aren't all of one mind Bradshaw3 Feb 2020 #15
He has a doable healthcare plan, tax plan, climate plan, etc. Warren has Hoyt Feb 2020 #17
He has no standout swing state appeal, Could care less if he has trillions he doesn't appeal uponit7771 Feb 2020 #31
i wrote him off a long time ago. barbtries Feb 2020 #9
Will be a sad day for the Democratic party if his money wins in the end Bradshaw3 Feb 2020 #11
Will it be a sad day Chainfire Feb 2020 #53
Absurd Bradshaw3 Feb 2020 #56
Write him off? Quite the contrary. Laelth Feb 2020 #16
He's got baggage that has to be explained, but he did well considering Hoyt Feb 2020 #19
It appears that nobody cares about the baggage. Laelth Feb 2020 #20
Agree! True Blue American Feb 2020 #27
Baggage? Chainfire Feb 2020 #55
In which case, my respect for PB would plummet. emmaverybo Feb 2020 #24
Wow! Haven't read that perspective this morning! mdelaguna Feb 2020 #38
Didn't watch, not writing him or anyone off. BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #18
Elizabeth Warren's takedown of him is getting big time play on every network. I think Quixote1818 Feb 2020 #22
The pundits are always wrong. True Blue American Feb 2020 #28
I think not. mdelaguna Feb 2020 #39
Ok. Is he going to not participate in any more Voltaire2 Feb 2020 #25
I would not dream of True Blue American Feb 2020 #26
I've signed dozens of NDAs Aviation Pro Feb 2020 #29
If the women want to talk it doesn't protect anyone but the company. This is bullshit and we ... uponit7771 Feb 2020 #32
Whatever helps one sleep at night. MrsCoffee Feb 2020 #45
Sure he is Aviation Pro Feb 2020 #46
agreed aikoaiko Feb 2020 #33
I was all in for him. Thought he was the answer. Don't like Squinch Feb 2020 #34
Similar thoughts (I have had) mdelaguna Feb 2020 #40
I am with you Squinch. honest.abe Feb 2020 #42
PS. Perhaps my biggest hope going in last night was that he Squinch Feb 2020 #35
I can't write him off, I never considered him viable in the first place Amishman Feb 2020 #36
I agree - this is a bump in the road to the White House. Steelrolled Feb 2020 #37
Too late! Since I never "penciled him in" in the first place. ...nt 2naSalit Feb 2020 #43
Too late. MrsCoffee Feb 2020 #44
I will be counter intuitive and say Bberg goes up JCMach1 Feb 2020 #48
Too late. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2020 #50
F Bloomberg... berksdem Feb 2020 #51
Too late. I have already as have millions of others. KPN Feb 2020 #52
Yes, he can buy a lot of attention with his non stop ads. And probably only about five to six totodeinhere Feb 2020 #54
 

stopbush

(24,393 posts)
1. Correct. Very few voters saw the debate tonight. Mike still gets to define himself
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:26 AM
Feb 2020

thru his ads.

The clips that will get played are those where he defended capitalism, not Warren’s attacks on him.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BlueTsunami2018

(3,490 posts)
2. Money will keep him in.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:26 AM
Feb 2020

And that’s fine because he’ll be a convenient punching bag in any further debates. He got his ass handed to him tonight and it won’t get any better. He’s no friend of ours and that showed clearly.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Deero

(86 posts)
21. Bloomberg can keep paying a few hundred million bucks
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:15 AM
Feb 2020

to let a bunch of people get on stage and kick his ass if he really want to.

Let's be real though. All of Bloombergs support comes from the ads he's running, which are obviously made to put him in the best light. He's also had no real vetting by the media. Now, in his introduction to most people, he was awful and the media is loving to kick him right now too.

Right now he's at about 15% in polls and Biden is at 16%. Given that most of Bloombergs support comes from Biden, I expect that most of that support is going to swing back to Biden.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
23. Could be too late. But I sure hope so!
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 04:01 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

CalFione

(571 posts)
3. I'm pissed at Michael Bloomberg
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:28 AM
Feb 2020


He entered the race to stop Sanders (a worthy goal), but is siphoning off votes from other candidates that actually would've been able to stop Sanders if Bloomberg wasn't there.


Bloomberg should CHOOSE to drop out, and put his money behind the strongest moderate.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

still_one

(92,111 posts)
5. and in my view he has hurt Biden the worst, with Amy and Pete to a lesser degree
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:30 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Moderateguy

(945 posts)
6. You have to lay blame at sleep walking Biden for that
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:33 AM
Feb 2020

If he wasn’t running such a lackluster campaign, Bloomberg wouldn’t have gotten in

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
12. Biden was ahead for near a year. He still is in swing states. And leading in S.C. Both billionaires
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:38 AM
Feb 2020

Steyer and Bloomberg are siphoning votes from a candidate far superior to either in qualifications,
experience, and widespread appeal. It is what it is, but no need for the Trumpian insult. Joe has had plenty of that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

thesquanderer

(11,982 posts)
47. Biden's poor showing in Iowa and NH had nothing to do with Bloomberg or Steyer.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:38 PM
Feb 2020

I know, those states don't play to his strengths, and I'm not saying he should have expected to come in first... but he clearly expected to do better than he did. YES, He was ahead for a long time, but the more people heard from him and everyone else, the less they preferred him.

I thought last night may have been his best debate, though.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
49. They very much have to do with his projections in other states. Steyer has had an effect on
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 03:34 PM
Feb 2020

SC polls as he is promising to open up his money bags to that state while flooding it with ads. The
problem here is that Steyer hasn’t a prayer of winning the nomination, much less the GE.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
4. I think he has something to say, everyone was targeting him, he took it,
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:28 AM
Feb 2020

and still had worthwhile things to say.

But, he does have bagge to explain, as do most longtime politicians.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

jcgoldie

(11,627 posts)
8. "he took it"
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:36 AM
Feb 2020

That's exactly what everyone does when they are getting their ass beat.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
10. Guess you missed "Rope a Dope" in the 1970s.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:37 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Bradshaw3

(7,493 posts)
13. The dope got roped tonight
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:40 AM
Feb 2020

He looked like a freight train hit him. His money is the only reason he is even being talked about. Won't be enough to win a GE in which women are key for Democrats winning.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
14. No. He looked like someone being attacked on Stop and Frisk even
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:44 AM
Feb 2020

though members of the Black Caucus — like Rush, Meeks, McBath, etc. — endorsed him and a number of members of “Moms Against Guns” want guns out of their communities.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Bradshaw3

(7,493 posts)
15. Well you know black people aren't all of one mind
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:47 AM
Feb 2020

I see why you like Bloomberg though.

Also he lied about his record on stop and frisk, as well as Obamacre and NDAs. But who cares about that, right?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
17. He has a doable healthcare plan, tax plan, climate plan, etc. Warren has
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:51 AM
Feb 2020

promises she know she can’t fulfill.

As to Stop and Frisk, I’ll trust McBath, Rush, etc., to filter the noise. I’d like to see him expand it to white wing gun-lovers.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

uponit7771

(90,323 posts)
31. He has no standout swing state appeal, Could care less if he has trillions he doesn't appeal
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 07:58 AM
Feb 2020

... to swing state voters he's not going to win.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

barbtries

(28,787 posts)
9. i wrote him off a long time ago.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:36 AM
Feb 2020

and won't vote for him unless/until I must. I don't think he helped his chances tonight.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Bradshaw3

(7,493 posts)
11. Will be a sad day for the Democratic party if his money wins in the end
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:37 AM
Feb 2020

What we have seen with his statements, policies, NDAs, funding of repubs, etc. should be enough to disqualify him as a terrible candidate to take on drumpf. His showing tonight only confirmed that. His staying in the race while qualified true POC Democrats like Harris and Castro had to drop out because of funding would be a disaster for the party.

Money won't buy a general election in which the Democrats need women to turn out like they did in 2018. They won't do that for Bloomberg and we will lose.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Chainfire

(17,519 posts)
53. Will it be a sad day
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 04:22 PM
Feb 2020

Will it be a sad day if he gets the nomination and then beats Trump? He is not my favorite either, but he is the only one who stands a chance of winning. (however slim that may be)

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Bradshaw3

(7,493 posts)
56. Absurd
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 07:46 PM
Feb 2020

He's not leading in the polls, he has a ton of baggage, most notably due to his issues with women. We win in 2020 the same way we won in 2018: with women leading the way. If last night's debate didn't show you how badly Bloomberg deals with that issue, then I see why you think he has the best chance of winning.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
16. Write him off? Quite the contrary.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:47 AM
Feb 2020

I now assume that he will be our nominee. He survived the debate. That's all he needed to do. His carpet-bombing saturation-level advertisements will do the rest. I can only hope that he will choose Pete Buttigieg as a running-mate.

-Laelth

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
19. He's got baggage that has to be explained, but he did well considering
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:55 AM
Feb 2020

everyone was bashing on Bloomberg tonight, despite trump/GOPers are who we are running against.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
20. It appears that nobody cares about the baggage.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:02 AM
Feb 2020

And people like the fact that he's aggressively taking the fight directly to the Great Pumpkin. Only a small percentage of the public watched the debate tonight. Bloomberg's relative inexperience on the debate stage showed, but he wasn't a complete disaster. His carpet-bombing saturation-level advertisements will do the rest, I think.

I may be wrong, but my gut tells me that he has this thing in the bag at this stage.



-Laelth

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

True Blue American

(17,982 posts)
27. Agree!
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 07:15 AM
Feb 2020

But the main bashers had it handed right back!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Chainfire

(17,519 posts)
55. Baggage?
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 04:27 PM
Feb 2020

If baggage were an issue, Trump would be DOA.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
24. In which case, my respect for PB would plummet.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 04:03 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

mdelaguna

(471 posts)
38. Wow! Haven't read that perspective this morning!
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 09:23 AM
Feb 2020

Interesting!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BusyBeingBest

(8,052 posts)
18. Didn't watch, not writing him or anyone off.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:51 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Quixote1818

(28,926 posts)
22. Elizabeth Warren's takedown of him is getting big time play on every network. I think
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:36 AM
Feb 2020

his rise up will now stall.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

True Blue American

(17,982 posts)
28. The pundits are always wrong.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 07:18 AM
Feb 2020

I am listening to the real debate. Disagree with everything they have said.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

mdelaguna

(471 posts)
39. I think not.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 09:26 AM
Feb 2020

She seemed to be striking from below (below in polling standards). Angry attack to get back in the spotlight. Kind of obvious tactic re: low hanging fruit. Not that inspirational. And in a fair world I think Warren should win. Our voters so fickle tho.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Voltaire2

(12,987 posts)
25. Ok. Is he going to not participate in any more
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 07:10 AM
Feb 2020

unscripted appearances?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

True Blue American

(17,982 posts)
26. I would not dream of
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 07:13 AM
Feb 2020

Writing Mike off. I am listening to the debate right now and think Mike is doing just fine,hitting back at those attacking him.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Aviation Pro

(12,140 posts)
29. I've signed dozens of NDAs
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 07:52 AM
Feb 2020

They protect both sides. In two days that exchange will be a non-event.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

uponit7771

(90,323 posts)
32. If the women want to talk it doesn't protect anyone but the company. This is bullshit and we ...
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 08:00 AM
Feb 2020

... all know it and so do you.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
45. Whatever helps one sleep at night.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 09:56 AM
Feb 2020

Bloomberg is a disgusting misogynist.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Aviation Pro

(12,140 posts)
46. Sure he is
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 10:06 AM
Feb 2020

And what exactly has Warren governed?

Zero.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Squinch

(50,934 posts)
34. I was all in for him. Thought he was the answer. Don't like
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 08:28 AM
Feb 2020

that we need his money, but post Citizens United, we do.

I was very disappointed.

He's a smart man. Too smart to have gone into the debate without better answers to the obvious questions. He had to know they were coming and he had to know the answers had to be compelling. They weren't.

I think Liz did well in that exchange, but I didn't think it was anything like a slam dunk wipe out that everyone here was saying.

And that said, each of the candidates has had a bad debate. Some have had more than one.

I'm still open to his candidacy, and I agree. He's certainly not finished. But he's going to have to get much better real soon at personal presentation if he's going to be able to be the guy who overcomes his own baggage, perceived and real, to lead the charge against Filthy Donnie.

But I'm back to undecided and watching the numbers Laura Pour Me A Drink put out yesterday on candidates with the largest margin against Filthy Donnie in swing states. So far that's Joe. Though he has been running a lackluster campaign and he's the king of the unforced error, this number is a compelling consideration.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

mdelaguna

(471 posts)
40. Similar thoughts (I have had)
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 09:27 AM
Feb 2020

Following closely.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

honest.abe

(8,649 posts)
42. I am with you Squinch.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 09:49 AM
Feb 2020

I thought Bloomberg might be the one to take it but after last night I am back with Biden. I am just hoping he can pull it out in SC. That would give him a big boost going into Super Tuesday.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Squinch

(50,934 posts)
35. PS. Perhaps my biggest hope going in last night was that he
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 08:32 AM
Feb 2020

or SOMEONE would be able to come out looking stronger than the others and the internal fighting could stop and we could turn our anger on Filthy Donnie.

Not only did that not happen, it only made things worse in that respect. In that way, it was a very bad night for the party.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Amishman

(5,554 posts)
36. I can't write him off, I never considered him viable in the first place
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 08:47 AM
Feb 2020

Between his baggage, late entry, and the anti-billionaire current going through the party; he seemed to be an 'also-run' at best.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)
37. I agree - this is a bump in the road to the White House.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 09:07 AM
Feb 2020

He didn't do well in that spectacle that some people call a debate. He will go back with his team and analyze it, and be better next time. This is nothing. He will look back at it a year from now and chuckle.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

2naSalit

(86,502 posts)
43. Too late! Since I never "penciled him in" in the first place. ...nt
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 09:53 AM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

JCMach1

(27,555 posts)
48. I will be counter intuitive and say Bberg goes up
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 02:52 PM
Feb 2020

After this debate. It's the just being on stage effect that helped Trump in 2016.

So Warren and Bberg get a boost from the debate.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

berksdem

(595 posts)
51. F Bloomberg...
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 03:43 PM
Feb 2020

racist a$$hole imo

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

KPN

(15,641 posts)
52. Too late. I have already as have millions of others.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 03:45 PM
Feb 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
54. Yes, he can buy a lot of attention with his non stop ads. And probably only about five to six
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 04:26 PM
Feb 2020

million people saw last night's debate. But that doesn't change the substance of the attacks that the other candidates made against him last night. And you better believe that the Trump campaign was taking notes last night. If Mike does make it to the general election you better believe that what he faced last night will be a walk in the park compared to what Trump will throw at him. So I cannot support him because I regard him as a sure loser in November.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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