
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:15 PM
Sloumeau (2,657 posts)
Bernie Sanders Is George McGovern
From The Atlantic
[link:https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/02/bernie-sanders-george-mcgovern/606883/|
Read the whole article if you can. ![]()
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
57 replies, 4429 views
![]() |
Author | Time | Post |
![]() |
Sloumeau | Feb 2020 | OP |
Stuart G | Feb 2020 | #1 | |
saidsimplesimon | Feb 2020 | #2 | |
Wellstone ruled | Feb 2020 | #24 | |
yaesu | Feb 2020 | #3 | |
wyldwolf | Feb 2020 | #4 | |
DBoon | Feb 2020 | #7 | |
comradebillyboy | Feb 2020 | #52 | |
brush | Feb 2020 | #55 | |
Zolorp | Feb 2020 | #5 | |
Woodycall | Feb 2020 | #37 | |
Cha | Feb 2020 | #48 | |
Fran2020 | Feb 2020 | #6 | |
Zolorp | Feb 2020 | #9 | |
NBachers | Feb 2020 | #31 | |
Stuart G | Feb 2020 | #10 | |
Fran2020 | Feb 2020 | #12 | |
brush | Feb 2020 | #56 | |
The Velveteen Ocelot | Feb 2020 | #13 | |
lapfog_1 | Feb 2020 | #14 | |
Fran2020 | Feb 2020 | #17 | |
lapfog_1 | Feb 2020 | #18 | |
wyldwolf | Feb 2020 | #16 | |
andym | Feb 2020 | #28 | |
Sloumeau | Feb 2020 | #47 | |
ehrnst | Feb 2020 | #35 | |
Woodycall | Feb 2020 | #39 | |
empedocles | Feb 2020 | #8 | |
yardwork | Feb 2020 | #15 | |
anamnua | Feb 2020 | #46 | |
nobuddy | Feb 2020 | #11 | |
NeoGreen | Feb 2020 | #19 | |
nobuddy | Feb 2020 | #21 | |
progressoid | Feb 2020 | #49 | |
Fiendish Thingy | Feb 2020 | #20 | |
Moderateguy | Feb 2020 | #22 | |
TwilightZone | Feb 2020 | #27 | |
Tom Rinaldo | Feb 2020 | #23 | |
ibegurpard | Feb 2020 | #33 | |
Politicub | Feb 2020 | #25 | |
emmaverybo | Feb 2020 | #26 | |
uponit7771 | Feb 2020 | #29 | |
Raftergirl | Feb 2020 | #30 | |
SoFlaDem | Feb 2020 | #38 | |
Raftergirl | Feb 2020 | #42 | |
SoFlaDem | Feb 2020 | #43 | |
AtheistCrusader | Feb 2020 | #32 | |
SunSeeker | Feb 2020 | #34 | |
Gothmog | Feb 2020 | #36 | |
rzemanfl | Feb 2020 | #40 | |
paleotn | Feb 2020 | #41 | |
Sherman A1 | Feb 2020 | #44 | |
anamnua | Feb 2020 | #45 | |
Gothmog | Feb 2020 | #50 | |
kimbutgar | Feb 2020 | #51 | |
dumptrump1 | Feb 2020 | #53 | |
HarlanPepper | Feb 2020 | #54 | |
dumptrump1 | Feb 2020 | #57 |
Response to Sloumeau (Original post)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:16 PM
Stuart G (37,385 posts)
1. So, I am not the only one who thinks this. Someone else thinks the same thing..K and R
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Sloumeau (Original post)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:20 PM
saidsimplesimon (7,888 posts)
2. Sanders is no McGovern, (big grin here)
Yes, I was, if anything, more idealistic back in the day.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to saidsimplesimon (Reply #2)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 01:02 PM
Wellstone ruled (34,661 posts)
24. Have to so agree.
Sanders has been peddling the same line for forty years,never bothering to update a single phrase. McGovern was a Idealist but he knew you had to be a Realist as well.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Sloumeau (Original post)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:24 PM
yaesu (8,014 posts)
3. now that's a petty funny satirical article, did the Atlantic take over the Onion?
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Sloumeau (Original post)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:26 PM
wyldwolf (43,797 posts)
4. His campaign also resembles that of Ted Kennedy's in 1980
Especially the Bernie Bro part.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to wyldwolf (Reply #4)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:29 PM
DBoon (21,506 posts)
7. Ted didn't win that one
but did help damage Carter's reelection prospects
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to DBoon (Reply #7)
Fri Feb 28, 2020, 03:45 PM
comradebillyboy (9,848 posts)
52. Indeed people try to overlook Teddy's 1980 sabotage of
Jimmy Carter. It's one of many reasons I never cared for him.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to DBoon (Reply #7)
Fri Feb 28, 2020, 05:17 PM
brush (49,985 posts)
55. Sanders wanted Obama primaried in 2012. Guess he didn't want to do it himself though...
as Kennedy did.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Sloumeau (Original post)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:29 PM
Zolorp (1,115 posts)
5. I have resigned myself to Sander being nominated and the a devastating defeat for Democrats nationwi
I am preparing for the inevitable dystopian future.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Zolorp (Reply #5)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 03:08 PM
Woodycall (259 posts)
37. Yeah, the national polls are all fake news...
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Zolorp (Reply #5)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 06:06 PM
Cha (289,535 posts)
48. It's not over yet.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Sloumeau (Original post)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:29 PM
Fran2020 (40 posts)
6. Not McGovern, Bernie is FDR! Freedom from want! Freedom from fear!
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Fran2020 (Reply #6)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:30 PM
Zolorp (1,115 posts)
9. Thank you
I needed a good deep belly laugh this morning.
![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Zolorp (Reply #9)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 02:14 PM
NBachers (16,333 posts)
31. I echo your sentiments - That was laugh-out-loud ridiculous. This is the point where I get up and
step away from the computer and go off to make something of the day.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Fran2020 (Reply #6)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:31 PM
Stuart G (37,385 posts)
10. Bernie is not..FDR. Bernie is different, and times are different.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Stuart G (Reply #10)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:33 PM
Fran2020 (40 posts)
12. Times are different from McGovern too. Bernie represents FDR values.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Fran2020 (Reply #12)
Fri Feb 28, 2020, 05:19 PM
brush (49,985 posts)
56. Enjoy your stay.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Fran2020 (Reply #6)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:33 PM
The Velveteen Ocelot (111,633 posts)
13. Oh, please.
Magic Bernie is going to give everybody free college and free health care and unicorns and rainbows with a single stroke of his magic jabbing finger!
Right. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Fran2020 (Reply #6)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:34 PM
lapfog_1 (28,209 posts)
14. oh FFS... Bernie scares the shit out of me.
Freedom from fear?
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to lapfog_1 (Reply #14)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:40 PM
Fran2020 (40 posts)
17. Freedom from fear is one of FDR's Four Freedoms.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Fran2020 (Reply #17)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:43 PM
lapfog_1 (28,209 posts)
18. What... you think I didn't know that?
Bernie is not FDR.
We are not in a depression. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Fran2020 (Reply #6)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:39 PM
wyldwolf (43,797 posts)
16. LOL
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Fran2020 (Reply #6)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 02:06 PM
andym (5,342 posts)
28. FDR would have been trounced in 1924 or 1928 if he had run for President
and as VP candidate he was trounced in 1920. It was only in the most dire of circumstances that he was elected in 1932-- an election during which he declined to state specifics on what he would do to bring America's economy back.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to andym (Reply #28)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 06:04 PM
Sloumeau (2,657 posts)
47. This is correct.
If, before the 1932 election, FDR had told everyone in detail exactly what he would do in his upcoming four terms, the rich would have done anything to keep him out of office, and they probably would have succeeded. As it was, a worker tried to kill him shortly after he was elected. [link:https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/fdr-escapes-assassination-in-miami|]
In addition, there was also a coup attempt against FDR where bankers tried to install a fascist dictator instead. https://bigthink.com/politics-current-affairs/fdr-coup I don't think a Bernie nomination will be smooth sailing at all. ![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Fran2020 (Reply #6)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 02:50 PM
ehrnst (32,640 posts)
35. Bernie is no FDR...
FDR:
Experienced federal bureaucrat Beltway insider Ivy league education From a political dynasty Charisma People skills Buoyant personality ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Fran2020 (Reply #6)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 03:15 PM
Woodycall (259 posts)
39. All of this concern...
over Bernie Bros walking away if he is not the nominee is horse shit as far as I'm concerned. What keeps me up at night is the Biden Boomers pulling that very stunt. They have had everything their fucking way since rock n' roll and the hula hoop and they want their boomer president now. I know because I am one.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Sloumeau (Original post)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:30 PM
empedocles (15,751 posts)
8. McGovern was a very decent, idealistic, clean guy. Supporters were more
. . .
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to empedocles (Reply #8)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:37 PM
yardwork (58,251 posts)
15. Yeah, I'm thinking the same thing.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to empedocles (Reply #8)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 05:47 PM
anamnua (1,035 posts)
46. Amen
If only Watergate had happened 6 months earlier.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Sloumeau (Original post)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:32 PM
nobuddy (215 posts)
11. It's exactly the same
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to nobuddy (Reply #11)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:45 PM
NeoGreen (4,027 posts)
19. This...
...bombastic claims that Sanders = McGovern should be corrected with empirical data.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to NeoGreen (Reply #19)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:50 PM
nobuddy (215 posts)
21. But gut feelings outweigh evidence
open your eyes!!
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to nobuddy (Reply #11)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 06:23 PM
progressoid (48,670 posts)
49. Wow, that's quite a difference.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Sloumeau (Original post)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:45 PM
Fiendish Thingy (13,708 posts)
20. One massive difference: Nixon had 68% approval rating
Other notable differences include the shift the American electorate on various issues.
This is a fear mongering article; anyone who thinks Trump will win 48 states is delusional. If Trump wins again, it will be by a narrow margin in a handful of states, and he will likely lose the popular vote again. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #20)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:53 PM
Moderateguy (945 posts)
22. And here we have 30% of people that will vote for Trump
Even if he shoots a beloved member of their family in the middle of 5th Avenue
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #20)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 01:59 PM
TwilightZone (22,210 posts)
27. Nixon's approval rating was not 68% during the campaign.
It ranged from 50% to around 60% for most of 1972, prior to the election. It rose to 67% *after* inauguration. He was at 52% at this time in 1972.
https://historyinpieces.com/research/nixon-approval-ratings ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Sloumeau (Original post)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 12:58 PM
Tom Rinaldo (22,772 posts)
23. 48 year old comparisons Fail.
The average age of an American is just over 38 years old. A clear majority of Americans were not even alive 48 years ago, in 1972. The end of World War II was just 27 years in the past, looking back from 1972. Turn back the clock 48 years from 1972 and Calvin Coolidge was our President, during the Raring 20's.
Television's first prime time network color series was The Marriage, a situation comedy broadcast live by NBC in the summer of 1954. So McGovern ran for President 18 years after the first prime time TV color broadcast: But it was not until the mid-1960s that color sets started selling in large numbers, due in part to the color transition of 1965 in which it was announced that over half of all network prime-time programming would be broadcast in color that autumn. So Black and White TV still predominated 7 years prior to the 1972 election. And people insist on using a 48 year old election campaign with hundreds of shifting variables to tell us what will happen in 2020? ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Tom Rinaldo (Reply #23)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 02:30 PM
ibegurpard (16,685 posts)
33. The Boomers continue to think the world revolves around them
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Sloumeau (Original post)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 01:03 PM
Politicub (12,154 posts)
25. When democrats run from the idea that healthcare is a human right
it makes me angry. This message needs to be central to our platform. There are different ways to get there - using the ACA as a platform on which to build will get us there. But no democrat should be saying that only the privileged are deserving of the best care.
Perhaps McGovern was before his time or was a bad candidate on the stump. I was two years from being born when he ran. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Politicub (Reply #25)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 01:31 PM
emmaverybo (8,143 posts)
26. None of our candidates are saying that. Do understand, however, that as in Europe, privileged
will mean superior care paid out of pocket. Complex cases which need better grade specialists, more appointment time, and testing are not as well served within “the system” and thus the haves
do get better quality. As well, many have private insurance which helps with longer wait times on procedures or surgeries, to see specialists, top specialists etc. We need not to rush into a botched up system no better than cobbling together what we have now., possibly worse for some. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Sloumeau (Original post)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 02:09 PM
uponit7771 (89,586 posts)
29. K&R, ✨✨✨✨Sanders has no consistent swing state appeal !!!!✨✨✨✨
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Sloumeau (Original post)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 02:12 PM
Raftergirl (1,166 posts)
30. I was alive and active during that election - though just two years two young to be able to vote.
Obviously didn’t turn out how I expected.
Still waiting for the “youth” vote to get off their arses and vote. Had a Bernie voter tell me the other the young don’t vote because our elections are on a Tuesday and they have better things to do. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Raftergirl (Reply #30)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 03:13 PM
SoFlaDem (98 posts)
38. Like go to work
or lose their jobs? Broad brush much?
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to SoFlaDem (Reply #38)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 03:33 PM
Raftergirl (1,166 posts)
42. Well if the youth want Bernie to win
which I am told they do - how do they expect that to happen if they can’t be bothered to vote because it’s inconvenient for them?
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Raftergirl (Reply #42)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 03:59 PM
SoFlaDem (98 posts)
43. So all the millennials aren't going to vote because it's inconvenient?
Never mind the offensive stereotype, at least that means you won't have to worry about Bernie getting enough votes to win the nomination (they aren't voting, after all).
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Sloumeau (Original post)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 02:27 PM
AtheistCrusader (33,982 posts)
32. Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn
Bernie's not even my candidate and this... wow this... I just hurt my eyes rolling them.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Sloumeau (Original post)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 02:36 PM
SunSeeker (50,340 posts)
34. He's Jeremy Corbyn. nt
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Sloumeau (Original post)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 02:52 PM
Gothmog (136,218 posts)
36. sanders would do worse than McGovern
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Sloumeau (Original post)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 03:15 PM
rzemanfl (29,279 posts)
40. Bookmarking. n/t
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Sloumeau (Original post)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 03:22 PM
paleotn (16,847 posts)
41. Are we in 1972 again?
I remember 1972. Could have sworn we'd moved on from then. Society evolved. I grew up. Got educated. Married. Worked for years and years and the whole world changed completely. Or are you now going to take us back to 1956 or 1952 and start calling him Adlai Stevenson? Now that one I don't remember since I wasn't even alive yet. But I do know the orange shithead isn't Tricky Dick and sure as shit ain't Ike, and the American electorate is very different from the days of the Vietnam war, dixiecrats and George Wallace having an electoral prayer, so the whole premise falls apart around the writer's ears. Please.....
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Sloumeau (Original post)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 05:03 PM
Sherman A1 (38,958 posts)
44. Pardon me for a moment
![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Sloumeau (Original post)
Fri Feb 21, 2020, 05:45 PM
anamnua (1,035 posts)
45. Glad you made this point.
I’ve always feared that Sanders/Trump would end up like McGovern/Nixon.
And McGovern was a paid up democrat. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Sloumeau (Original post)
Fri Feb 28, 2020, 03:27 PM
Gothmog (136,218 posts)
50. James Clyburn think that sanders is indeed McGovern
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Sloumeau (Original post)
Fri Feb 28, 2020, 03:32 PM
kimbutgar (19,586 posts)
51. Yes, my older sister is a liberal but she thinks Bernie is a communist and is scared of
4 more years of mf45. She can’t stand him and thinks he is just as bad as mf45.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Sloumeau (Original post)
Fri Feb 28, 2020, 04:32 PM
dumptrump1 (236 posts)
53. then Joe biden is Walter Mondale
Former VP after 4 years, moderate, running against a washed out television star. Expect to win nothing more than Delaware if we are lucky.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to dumptrump1 (Reply #53)
Fri Feb 28, 2020, 04:33 PM
HarlanPepper (2,042 posts)
54. Really you think he'd lose 49 states?
Hard to take someone seriously with that POV. Easy to laugh at though.
![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to HarlanPepper (Reply #54)
Fri Feb 28, 2020, 05:19 PM
dumptrump1 (236 posts)
57. its just as realistic as bernie losing that many. And joe has a lot more
In common with Mondale than bernie does with McGovern. We need a billionaire to do the real damage, though
![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |