"Adam Schiff is part of the so-called Democratic "establishment" & he fought his HEART out on the..

[Cha]

Link to tweet

[Mme. Defarge]

1. Damned straight!

[Cha]

9. Merci, Mme. Defarge!

Rep Adam Schiff

[gembaby1]

24. Et merci, Monsieur Schiff, de moi.

[guillaumeb]

2. Recommended.

But if by establishment Sanders meant the DNC, rather than every Democratic office holder, I still disagree with him because it plays into the same argument we heard in 2016.

[sheshe2]

10. He called Planed Parenthood a Democratic Establishment.

He does not mean the DNC. He means any democrat that does not support him.

[Cha]

28. Exactly, she.. there's no doubt that's

exactly who all he means.

Rep Adam Shiff!

[booley]

58. Where did he say that?

I don't recall him ever saying that. And I listen to a lot of Sander's speeches and appearances so I am curious how I missed that.

Considering he has 100% approval rating from planned parenthood does that make sense to you that he would do that?

I do however recall CHA somehow expanding Sander's criticizing establishment politics as somehow including planned parenthood. Are you sure you aren't' confusing what Sanders said with what Cha said he meant to say?

[lapucelle]

61. Planned Parenthood pushes back against Sanders for 'establishment' comment

Planned Parenthood and other progressive groups are calling out Bernie Sanders for referring to them as "part of the establishment," saying the Vermont senator needs to show a more explicit commitment to women's reproductive health.

"It's a little ridiculous to call an organization Congress and Republican presidential candidates have spent six months attacking ‘establishment’ — especially when Planned Parenthood health centers are out there every day ensuring millions of often marginalized Americans have access to basic reproductive health care,” Dawn Laguens, executive vice president of Planned Parenthood Action Fund told POLITICO in an email.

Laguens said she was “disappointed” in Sanders’ comments.

“It's regrettable and surprising to hear Sen. Sanders describe the very groups that fight on behalf of millions of often marginalized Americans — people who still have to fight for their most basic rights — as representing the ‘establishment,’” Laguens said.

-Eliza Collins for Politico

[Cha]

63. Mahalo, lapucelle!

[sheshe2]

62. Here.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/sanders-dismisses-major-womens-group-establishment

So much to read. Here is a snip or two.

Sanders dismisses major women’s group as ‘establishment’

Hillary Clinton personally struck back at her Democratic primary opponent Bernie Sanders for his comments about the reproductive and LGBT rights groups that have endorsed her.

Asked by MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow on Tuesday evening about the fact that Planned Parenthood, NARAL and the Human Rights Campaign endorsed Clinton, Sanders replied, “We’re taking on not only Wall Street and the economic establishment, we’re taking on the political establishment. So I have friends and supporters in the Human Rights Fund [sic], in Planned Parenthood. But you know what, Hillary Clinton has been around there for a very, very long time and some of these groups are part of the establishment.”



Clinton and her supporters quickly seized on the remarks, including with a tweet from Clinton’s official account, signed “-H” to denote that she wrote it. “Really Senator Sanders?” Clinton wrote. “How can you say that groups like @PPact and @HRC are part of the “establishment” you’re taking on?” Planned Parenthood’s president, Cecile Richards, tweeted, “disappointing to hear this.” The Planned Parenthood Action Fund tweeted, “We respect @SenSanders. Disappointed to be called “establishment” as we fight like hell to protect women’s health.” HRC echoed the remarks:



snip


NARAL’s president, Ilyse Hogue, also weighed in on a call with reporters. She praised Clinton for “not just committing to expanding funding for Planned Parenthood, but also to take on the Hyde amendment, which is nothing more than discrimination against low income women trying to access vital health care and their constitutional rights …. Unfortunately, directly in opposition to Bernie’s unfortunate comments last night on Rachel Maddow, the anti-choice minority has become the establishment at state legislatures and is becoming the establishment at our federal level.”


While the groups in question are entrenched in Democratic politics, Planned Parenthood in particular just ended a rough year in which its staff was secretly recorded by right-wing activists accusing them of “selling baby parts,” congressional and state Republicans repeatedly voted to strip the group of healthcare funding, and three people were shot and killed at one of their health facilities in Colorado Springs by a gunman stating his opposition to abortion.

……………………..

Fact. Planned Parenthood is about women's healthcare. I thought that was what Bernie was about...M4A!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yet women and providers are just the establishment.

[Cha]

21. Merci, guillaumeb..

Rep Adam Schiff

BS should have said he meant that then.. by his tweet he is lumping all Democrats togethter… even though he's running on the Democratic Platform.

[bucolic_frolic]

3. I think Bernie has cooked his own goose with that comment

He wants to be a Democrat but won't join the Party full time and now lumps them with Republicans. Party members won't forget this.

[Cha]

25. Exactly my word for it.. "lumps" everyone

in together.. The Democratic Party!

Rep Adam Schiff!

[uponit7771]

67. +1

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

78. In other words, "Only I can fix it."

Sound familiar?

[helpisontheway]

4. Exactly....but Bernie hates people like Schiff..you know..actual democrats.nt

[sheshe2]

11. Ones that actually accomplish something.

[gembaby1]

26. No Tommy Douglas he is!

[MontanaMama]

40. THIS.

passing legislation and such...

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

5. I can't get past Bernie's disdain for the very people who have made it possible

for him to run for president in the first place, and whose support he'll need if he's elected, if he wants to get any of his legislation passed. Why on earth is he stabbing people like Schiff, Pelosi, Obama and all the other people in the back who have worked for years to bring us everything that at least used to make this country a decent place to live? And he's shitting on you and me and all the rest of us who've ever worked behind the scenes to elect Democratic state and local candidates and just make the party work. Fuck that. Fuck anybody who says fuck the establishment. We are the establishment and he'll need our votes.

[OliverQ]

13. They're the same people secretly plotting how to make sure he doesn't

win even if it's the will of the voters. You'd be angry too.

[dsc]

16. you mean like he did in 2016

[sheshe2]

41. Would you just stop.

The will of the voters elected Hillary 2016 GE.

[OliverQ]

51. I never said they didn't.

I'm not referring to 2016, I'm referring to reports this week that the DNC is trying to block Sanders from winning, even if he wins the most delegates.

[sheshe2]

53. Fact.

He signed up for the rules of the DNC. Ha agreed and now wants them changed.

No one, I repeat NO ONE is trying to block Sanders from winning.

Period.

[OliverQ]

55. DNC members discuss rules change to stop Sanders at convention

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/31/dnc-superdelegates-110083

[Cha]

77. BS calls everyone "establishment" who don't support him.

[Cha]

50. OH that's Rich!

[spooky3]

14. And anyone who has served in Congress for decades is

Very definitely part of the “establishment.”

I thank Pelosi, Schiff, et al., for their hard, courageous work and actually accomplishing things despite the GOP corrupt opposition.

[Cha]

71. Yeah. Projection.

Aloha, spooky!

[spooky3]

72. There's a lot of that going around!

Cha!

[Cha]

73. Too much.

[LudwigPastorius]

23. "Why on earth is he stabbing people like Schiff, Pelosi, Obama and all the other people in the back"

If Bernie actually feels disdain for the party, he should display some integrity and run as an Independent, and not 'sully' himself by running as a Democrat.

If Bernie doesn't actually feel disdain for the Democratic party, his statement is a cheap, cynical political ploy to garner votes at the expense of party unity and strength come November.

Either way, he has lowered my estimation of his character.

[Cha]

43. This post explained it as being "Strategic".. ".. a preemptive strike"..

What do you think of that, TVO?

30. BS comment was very strategic

it’s a pre-emptive strike against superdelegates at the convention who he sees as undemocratic and not the same as people’s votes. This narrative is going to continue. If he is denied nomination at the convention even after winning plurality votes, you bet lots of bernie supporters will be angry and we’ll lose in GE anyway. We can’t be fighting among ourselves like that no matter how we may dislike BS. You must respect that he has built an impressive grassroots

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=563744

Anyway.. I agree with you, "strategic" or not.. he's only hurting himself by insulting the brilliant leaders in the Dem Party and everyone else who belongs.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

52. If it's intended as strategic it's a pretty stupid strategy.

It's already alienated a lot of people. He's going to need that establishment more than he thinks, but I suppose it's a nice bit of red meat for the cult.

[Cha]

65. Oh yeah, "red meat".. LO'D and Vicent D'O Get It..

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[defacto7]

6. Kick

[Cha]

66. Mahalo, defacto!

[defacto7]

69. Thank you, Cha

..

[Cha]

70. ..

[musette_sf]

7. Damn right

[jmg257]

8. Does he fear a Bernie primary win?

[Cha]

37. You'll have to ask Rep Adam Schiff who is a part of

the Democratic "Establishment".

Link to tweet

[jmg257]

38. Yep - That is exaclty why I ask! I read about it so much, I wanted to find out if true. nt

[OliverQ]

12. I'm not sure I'd consider Schiff part of the establishment.

[rzemanfl]

14. Because? n/t

[OliverQ]

17. He doesn't seem like

the career politician type entrenched in donor money and corporate profit.

[rzemanfl]

20. He asks me for money a couple of times a week. I haven't got a pot or

a window, so maybe you're right.

[Cha]

31. Are you Dissing the Democratic Party?

[OliverQ]

32. Of course not. Are you dissing Bernie Sanders?

[Cha]

34. Then who are you talking about?

"..the career politician type entrenched in donor money and corporate profit.."

[William769]

18. Got that right!

[brer cat]

19. K&R

[Cha]

49. Mahalo, brer!

Rep Adam Schiff

[LudwigPastorius]

22. Representative Schiff will, as a superdelegate, have a vote at the convention.

I trust him.

He will, again do the right thing, and use that vote to give us a fighting chance in November.

[58Sunliner]

27. Kickety kick!!

[NoMoreRepugs]

29. Bernie's ego just continues to grow. I truly

fear that he and some of his minions will again cost us a chance for the WH.

[sheshe2]

42. The White House.

Congress. Supreme Court. Lower Courts.

[SilasSouleII]

45. This x 1000... eom

[sheshe2]

46. Yep. nt

[NoMoreRepugs]

68. My granddaughter's future. Too big a risk to have BS

as our candidate IMO.

[AlexSFCA]

30. BS comment was very strategic

it’s a pre-emptive strike against superdelegates at the convention who he sees as undemocratic and not the same as people’s votes. This narrative is going to continue. If he is denied nomination at the convention even after winning plurality votes, you bet lots of bernie supporters will be angry and we’ll lose in GE anyway. We can’t be fighting among ourselves like that no matter how we may dislike BS. You must respect that he has built an impressive grassroots movement and Biden did not.

[Cha]

35. No I do Not "respect" BS dissing the Dem Party continuously.

[Under The Radar]

33. I'd take Mr. Schiff over The entire field right now

[mshasta]

36. 30 years as a senator

Is very stablishment

[Cha]

75. Exactly!

[MaryMagdaline]

39. Way to unite the party, dude

Now I know where the Bernie Bros get their disdainfulness

[sprinkleeninow]

44. Dammm straight. Yeah! n/t

[Laura PourMeADrink]

47. Totally agree. But he got clipped on scope. Would have

loved to have seen him argure the 99 crimes trump committed and not just only the two he was forced to limit himself with. #superbadstrategy.

[EveHammond13]

48. I will never forgive him for that comment.

[redqueen]

54. I wish I could convince myself people were just feigning ignorance.

Sadly, though...

[booley]

56. Ahh reminds me of when you said planned parenthood was part of the establishment

And any Black Congressmemebr. And women in general. You expanded the term "establishment" into meaninglessness.

Sigh.

You know Sanders has always been clear what he means by the establishment, right?

Is Schiff part of the "establishment"?

I don't know enough of his record to say off the top of my head.

Has Schiff blocked M4A? Has Schiff ignored the needs and desires of his base to follow the dictates of corporate lobbyists? Does Schiff routinely show open contempt for much of the Democratic base, especially the progressives while simultaneously feeling entitled to their votes? Does Schiff actively block change in Congress?

I don't know. And reading your OP, I am not sure you know nor would care if he did.

I cant' even tell from your OP if Sanders even mentioned Adam Schiff. (Hint, maybe put some context to your posts so they at least appear to have substance)

Please stop using "establishment" as a magic word to accuse Sanders of attacking whomever you think will upset people, whether he did or not. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if you included puppies and dolphin-safe tuna as part of the establishment.

Oh no, Bernie hates Puppies!

[Cha]

59. Your attempt at Distracting from the OP is NOT Working.

Carry on.

[oasis]

57. Will President Sanders have "establishment Democrats" in his cabinet?

He'll need many of them to run things. If our government is run by scores of inept leftists, say hello to a revived Republican Party entering 2024.

[NYMinute]

60. K&R nt

[Vivienne235729]

64. +10000 EXACTLY!! Thank you Cha for posting this & thank you Adam Schiff for being extraordinary

During the impeachment trials.

[Cha]

81. Yes, Vivienne.. Mahlao to Rep Adam Schiff!

Mahalo!

[warmfeet]

74. He is part of the courage of this party,

the heart and soul of this party.

We would all do well to emulate his courage and dedication.

He has never given up, neither should any Democrat.

There is much work to do, don't give up.

[Cha]

82. Thank you, warmfeet.. well said

Rep Schiff

[LakeArenal]

76. Adam is my hero.

Seems like trump wants to demolish the Democratic Establishment.

Whose idea is it?

[Cha]

83. My hero, too.. LakeArenal!

[Fla Dem]

79. I was very proud of all the House Managers who fought for the rule of law

during the senate hearings. They are all Patriots in my book. If that is the Democratic establishment, then hurrah for the Democratic Establishment.

[tulipsandroses]

80. I appreciate Rep Schiff, I agree he is our hero HOWEVER, here's what I don't get

Over the last several months, there have been countless articles and reporting about " Stop Sanders", "Establishment democrats want to stop Sanders". I googled Stop Sanders and there is a plethora of reports about yes, " Establishment Democrats" want to or trying to stop Sanders. So if he turns around and says, they can't stop him. Why are folks so mad? I don' t get it. And I have decided to stay undecided and support whomever the nominee is. So its not like I am Bernie fan, I just don't understand why he is getting backlash when there has been a movement to stop him. I don't recall outrage over the "Stop Sanders" . I mean, If I were him and there were efforts to stop me, what else would I say. You can't stop me, what I am trying to do.