Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumBernie knew about Russia helping his campaign, Bernie took that help, and Bernie kept the Russian ..
... help to his campaign hidden. Russia and the Trump Campaign are not and were not helping
Bernie because they support his progressive and anti establishment-democrat agenda but because
Sanders will be the easiest to beat in the general election.
BTW I voted for Bernie in the 2016 Ohio primary.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)He knew for a month and not a word, not a complaint, not a peep.
So the help continued. Facebook, twitter, poll manipulation... it all continued unabated to benefit Bernie.
Yet, only silence. Silence.
Why? Why would any honorable candidate remain silent?
All I'm trying to say is that this was a test of courage and leadership ... and it was one that Bernie failed. Big time.
Sad.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Rorey
(8,445 posts)Along with respect for his supporters and all Americans. He didn't show any of that by not speaking up.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(11,986 posts)Obviously, Bernie is not the only person who knew. Some one or some agency decided that this was something Sanders should be told about, and this same person/agency apparently decided this was not something that should necessarily be made public at that point. Any judgment about what Sanders could/should have done differently is conjecture. I imagine we'll know more at some point.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Nice try, but that's a very weak defense. This was a test of leadership and integrity. He failed. There's not enough sugar-coating or lipstick in the world that can justify or excuse Bernie's FAILURE to act.
We do know that he didn't tell the voting public... the ones who were being fooled and manipulated by Russian activity on Facebook, Twitter, Poll Manipulations, etc etc etc. He directly benefited from his silence. There's no honor in that. He was angry when the news broke... why?
I don't know which candidate I'm going to support eventually... but what I DO KNOW is that the man or woman who gets my vote will be HONEST and COURAGEOUS and will show INTEGRITY and LEADERSHIP. He or she will bring HONOR to the office they seek to hold. I guess I just have higher standards.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(11,986 posts)Because he's ALWAYS angry.
Seriously, he just seemed his usual self to me.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
subana
(586 posts)He would only have to have said that he had been briefed on the situation & that he couldn't offer details due to national security concerns.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(11,986 posts)For example, if you don't want your adversary to know that you know anything at all about it.
We don't know. Seemingly innocuous questions/statements sometimes are not.
There is what we know. There is what we want Russia to know we know. There is what we want Russia to know our citizens know. And there are people who decide those last couple, who are not the people running for president.
I don't think any of us are in a position to be second guessing here. It will probably all be made more clear over time...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)Without having more information we don't know. All we have is a story leaked to a Jeff Bezos owned newspaper on the eve of the Nevada caucuses. And lo and behold, Bernie won decisively anyway.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)You are drawing a lot of convenient conclusions from one newspaper article. I am in Nevada. I attended my local caucus and Bernie got over 70% at my precinct. And I didn't see one Russian agent there.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)I wish you had been there to observe the enthusiasm for Bernie's candidacy. It's the type of passion that no interference from the Russians could produce. And this is in a very red county that voted better than 70% for Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I can't get "enthusiastic" about that kind of candidate. When someone says that the party I support and love is "corrupt" and "no different from the GOP" and that the Democrats are "an absolute failure" and that the Democrats "are ideologically bankrupt"... that' doesn't instill any sort of passion or devout fervor.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)I know this is anecdotal but all I saw was enthusiasm for Bernie. But everyone was respectful. And I got the impression that the participants were well versed on the issues of the day.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brutus smith
(685 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I'm entitled to my opinion or I have a right to my opinion is a logical fallacy in which a person discredits any opposition by claiming that they are entitled to their opinion. The statement exemplifies a red herring or thought-terminating cliché. The logical fallacy is sometimes presented as "Let's agree to disagree".
Whether one has a particular entitlement or right is irrelevant to whether one's assertion is true or false. Where an objection to a belief is made, the assertion of the right to an opinion side-steps the usual steps of discourse of either asserting a justification of that belief, or an argument against the validity of the objection. Such an assertion, however, can also be an assertion of one's own freedom or of a refusal to participate in the system of logic at hand.
Philosopher Patrick Stokes has described the expression as problematic because it is often used to defend factually indefensible positions or to "[imply] an equal right to be heard on a matter in which only one of the two parties has the relevant expertise".
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
apcalc
(4,463 posts)Meanwhile as I watch him in debates he is always scowling.
I truly dont like his positions on certain topics.
I dont have any problems with the other five Candidates . None.
I feel they are real Democrats, have walked the walk , support our party -they arenot just using us.
I pray daily that it wont come to having to vote for him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
subana
(586 posts)now, you're starting to sound like fat donnie!! Do you really think questioning an article in the Washington Post is reasonable? The WP published many credible & newsworthy articles before Bezos became the owner!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Vivienne235729
(3,383 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
trueblue2007
(17,205 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
rzemanfl
(29,556 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)And pretending that Russia was trying to hurt his campaign with Bernie Bro bots well after he was informed they were helping him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
John Fante
(3,479 posts)a candidate. Honestly, they're the 1# why I disliked him. With friends like Russia, who needs enemies?
If Bernie wins, those boys are more or less neutered. Can't play the "Bernie was screwed by the establishment" card anymore if he's at the head of the ticket.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
subana
(586 posts)he did nothing about them then & it's unlikely that he will do anything about them now!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mopinko
(70,077 posts)i guess he figured out covering it up was what worked best FOR HIM.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
the truth is he never wanted to change anything they're doing or he would have done it already!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Peacetrain
(22,875 posts)and then attacking the Democratic Party..
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Botany
(70,489 posts).... action which were designed to interfere with our elections.
That allowed Russia to keep doing whatever they were doing to help Bernie
w/out the American people knowing what the real story was.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)that he was surging right about that time. Weird timing...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Botany
(70,489 posts)... nomination is inevitable.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Iamaartist
(3,300 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Of course Russia was rigging the polls! It creates a "narrative" of BS being a "winner" and the low-information voters like to vote for "winners". They follow crowds and hop on bandwagons.
Because of his silence, Bernie's campaign is forever tainted. He should withdraw now. That would be the right thing to do in order to make up for the dishonorable month of silence. Will he have the courage to make the right choice?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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R B Garr
(16,950 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
doxyluv13
(247 posts)n/m
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)....to remain a secret?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)He knew for a month and not a word, not a complaint, not a peep.
So the help continued. Facebook, twitter, poll manipulation... it all continued unabated to benefit Bernie.
Yet, only silence. Silence. Silence equals approval. He said nothing. He did nothing.
Why? Why would any honorable candidate remain silent?
All I'm trying to say is that this was a test of courage and leadership ... and it was one that Bernie failed. Big time.
Sad.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Botany
(70,489 posts)"Yet, only silence. Silence. Silence equals approval. He said nothing. He did nothing."
BTW I have laid my ass on the line many times to protect the vote in Ohio.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)LEADERSHIP FAIL.
Sad.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)the surge story, which looked to supersede the heart attack press at that time. We learned a lot about message amplification from the Mueller report, which featured the Russian meddling that is common knowledge now.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)It's a legitimate question and one that demands an answer: Why would any honorable candidate remain silent? Honor. Courage. That's all it took... and this was a test that he failed.
The candidate that support will have courage and honor and integrity. I don't know who that is going to be yet... but I do know that I'm NOT supporting Bernie Sanders. We deserve better.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)who demands transparency of others or he labels them corrupt.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
5X
(3,972 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Fiendish Thingy
(15,575 posts)We know that Sanders was briefed; you need to prove he knowingly accepted direct assistance from Russia, as has been proven that Trump did in 2016.
If you cant provide proof, you should delete this divisive thread.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Botany
(70,489 posts)E.Z.
"We know that Sanders was briefed" And so did he keep that information from the voters?
That silence helped the Russians continue in their rat fucking of our elections.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wnylib
(21,428 posts)something on Sanders? Could this be it? Don't know how Bloomberg would have found out, but was he the one who leaked the info?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Fiendish Thingy
(15,575 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
subana
(586 posts)...consciously accept something to benefit from it!
who said he accepted Russia's help? Because the WP article doesn't say that!
The disclosure of Russian assistance to Sanders follows a briefing to lawmakers last week in which a senior intelligence official said that Russia wants to see Trump reelected, viewing his administration as more favorable to the Kremlins interests, according to people who were briefed on the comments.
In that closed hearing for the House Intelligence Committee, lawmakers were also told that Sanders had been informed about Russias interference. The prospect of two rival campaigns both receiving help from Moscow appears to reflect what intelligence officials have previously described as Russias broader interest in sowing division in the United States and uncertainty about the validity of American elections.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/bernie-sanders-briefed-by-us-officials-that-russia-is-trying-to-help-his-presidential-campaign/2020/02/21/5ad396a6-54bd-11ea-929a-64efa7482a77_story.html
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
KPN
(15,642 posts)division among Dems? That was the report that I read.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
rockfordfile
(8,701 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
jmg257
(11,996 posts)What did Russia Russia Russia do to help?
https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/21/21147801/bernie-sanders-russia-presidential-campaign-trump-election-interference
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Nanjeanne
(4,950 posts)NSA Robert OBrien and gives details abt Russia interference in elections as referenced to Sanders.
Open the whole thread.
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
tecelote
(5,122 posts)Bernie is killing it and people here need their rage. Facts hurt more than you think.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LenaW
(51 posts)I have a feeling the same people who are outraged he kept quiet about that would be equally outraged if he had disclosed it, given that it was classified.
No?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
OnDoutside
(19,953 posts)and now there's actual rigging in favour of himself, he kept his normally vociferous mouth, shut.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LenaW
(51 posts)If he had disclosed classified info, people would be screaming he is unfit to be president.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hav
(5,969 posts)The word "again" is missing. We know he reveived Russian support before, knew about it and kept it hidden.
This is nothing new about him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
n/t
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
hedda_foil
(16,372 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tishaLA
(14,176 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
hedda_foil
(16,372 posts)Did they know that Hillary's emails were leaked to hurt her campaign? Or course they knew. Everyone knew that. But Bernie never used anything in those emails against her. Try again.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tishaLA
(14,176 posts)It said,
The video shows "of course we knew" about Russian interference and every sentient being knows he didn't say anything about that knowledge, and everyone who read the Mueller report knows that he received support.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
KPN
(15,642 posts)vis-a-vis Sanders about faux" Bernie Bro" agitators?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
wnylib
(21,428 posts)why would Sanders not reveal that? It would help him to pin that negative behavior on Russia.
This is just a taste of what Trump and Putin will do in the general if Sanders becomes the nominee. True, tgey will go after whoever it is, but Sanders provides them with many more opportunities with his identification with socialism.
He is a divisive figure for Dems and for the general population. Russia and Trump will exploit that divisiveness. You can count on it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
What other senator revealed this new info re: russia? Which ones? Why is Bernie being targeted? Where was klobuchar & Warren with revealing the info? They were ALL briefed.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ashredux
(2,604 posts)He is no hero....
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)Then he should have to turn over all emails, voice mails anything that could help find out how this happened, but no, he is no patriot.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brutus smith
(685 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
yaesu
(8,020 posts)<a href="https://ibb.co/NxHGcN6"><img src="" alt="doing-it" border="0"></a>
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
wnylib
(21,428 posts)All he is doing now is collecting followers from the most left wing part if a party that he does not belong to.
When he leads by a solud margin against Trumo in the veneral, then he will be "doing it."
The next "doing it" challenge for Sanders after that will be to lead a givernment that is not with him.
A lot more "doing it" is get to be done.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,137 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
yaesu
(8,020 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Happy Hoosier
(7,285 posts).. and seems to be angry it came out. VERY bad look, IMO.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I expect better from the candidate that I support. The candidate who earns my vote will be someone who demonstrates that he or she has courage and integrity.
Bernie Sanders is not getting my vote.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Botany
(70,489 posts)... but he was mad that information came out. Almost like Trump was expecting Russian help
in the 2020 elections.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Codeine
(25,586 posts)(presumably very serious) medical condition.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ancianita
(36,023 posts)Bernie might not even figure into the general election in the months ahead.
Whoever the nominee is, they'll definitely be electable and likely get that 270 to win.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Putin wants Bernie because he's the one who would be the easiest to beat!! I know Bernie's fans are passionate about their guy but do you really want to allow Russia to choose your candidate for you?
I'm not saying you have to make the choice now but it deserves some consideration.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Squinch
(50,946 posts)the Russians were doing and to help him stop them from doing it?
Surely he's planning to do that, right? And I just missed the speech, right?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Iamaartist
(3,300 posts)He knew he was gettiing help from a foriegn country .and said nothing if it was Joe
they go after him to drop out...or disqualified him.....unreal...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
GanjaGrower
(83 posts)Also, there are rumors circulating that Putins cyber team may be helping Warrens candidacy as well. Nothing direct, but the usual cyber warfare, disinformation about her opponents, digging up dirt on her opponents, etc.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Botany
(70,489 posts)Good thing you are not spreading those rumors.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
nini
(16,672 posts)Too many coinkydinks with Russia
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
7horses
(163 posts)Sen Sanders showed that he as a Senator he would not play the Washington leak game. Perhaps he was protecting national security? You don't know? When the story came out when it did, Sanders said, why do you think it came out now? two days or so before the vote in Nevada. Come on people, if you think this helps Sanders, I have some swamp land to sell you. If you think that Sanders will be the easiest for trump to beat, just think about this: Sanders has about 30 to 40% of all voters in this country. A lot of these people are new voters who will vote for Sanders and Sanders only. If all the other Democrats who say they will vote for Blue no matter who, actually do, then trump takes an ass-whooping. Can you imagine what it will do to trump to be beat by Sanders? It will kill him! Isn't that what we want to do? Hell yes! You can do it open your mind, again!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mzmolly
(50,985 posts)Bots? Facebook ... what?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden