can someone explain to me why it isnt a huge goal to "progressives"

[mopinko]

to have the first woman president?
why are so many clinging to a sick, cranky old man when there is a sharp woman w mostly identical views, who is so well positioned in this race?
do they just hate it that she is practical enough to keep her head out of pipedreams, and into details and plans for what can get done, and how fast?

are they hardcore stubborn folks who are allergic to the idea of compromise?
are they naive enough to think that the sliver of difference in their goals is big enough to matter w to the sausage that will come out of the congressional meat grinder?

is anyone thinking about the fact that the nom enlists us all in a door to door war?
does anyone care about what they are sending us foot soldiers to war with?

i keep asking my bernie friends about this, and i keep getting crickets-
why is the "progressive" wing of the party sending us off to war w all bernie's baggage, when all warren has is this cute little handbag?
why isnt the first woman president a part of more people's equation?

*when i say "progressive", i mean that faction of the party that wears that like a badge, not just tho who think about the future and hope for more fairness and equality but will take any road to get there.

[rampartc]

1. i would be happy with a woman president

ms warren is my second choice.

some of my favorite people are female, and any of several accomplished women would be great presidents.

[TCJ70]

2. Because it doesn't matter what's between someone's legs...

...when it comes to implementing policy? Just a guess. If they felt they have a better shot at those policy goals with one of our female candidates then maybe they’d support that one.

[mopinko]

3. well, it does to me, because i think women do it better.

ymmv

but warren, in particular, is better at getting shit done.

[TCJ70]

12. That's why I'm backing her for now...

...but if she’s not in the race by the time my state votes I’ll vote for Sanders.

[Walleye]

5. Breaking a glass ceiling doesn't matter?

[TCJ70]

6. Not if your focus is strictly policy goals.

Who cares who signs the bills as long as they get signed?

[Walleye]

7. Equal rights for women is an important policy goal

[TCJ70]

10. And it is already possible for a woman to be president...

...that isn’t an equal rights issue. The fact that one hasn’t been elected so far doesn’t mean they can’t be.

[Walleye]

11. I'll believe it when I see it.

[mopinko]

19. this right here.

i super seriously do not understand.
except that i do, and it isnt pretty.

[BusyBeingBest]

4. I was for Klobuchar, but ended up voting for Bloomberg early by mail because

I had a hunch she wasn't going to make it much further and I wanted my vote to have the most possible impact on the Orange Carnival Clown. It would be nice to have a woman this time around, same as a gay man, but those concerns take a backseat to our country's survival right now. Also, Warren just isn't a very skilled politician and as I've seen it put elsewhere, comes off as America's Mother-In-Law.

[mopinko]

13. hmmm

well, this sorta fits in w a pet theory of mine about evolution, families, grandmas and mils. imho, they are hated because they are a check on male violence in the home. controlling violence is a crucial part of human social nature.
and it is pretty clear that we have lost that balance in our culture.
all.over.the.world.

so, yeah, we def need more mils, and more grandmas today.
i'm not the only one saying this about the world.

so how do you sell this?
well, the fact is that these are not 2 women, but 1.
to a good man, a mil that supports his wife and cares for his children is worth the grief.
to a good man, his respect for her outweighs the fact that he has to behave himself.
to a good man, who thinks of himself that way, his love for his wife and children comes first.

my central reason for being on team warren is that she has many plans for building a better world for every baby born in this country. which means she has a plan for every mother in this country.

perhaps we could change the narrative here, and stress her other side-
america's grandma.
works for me.

[Walleye]

22. I agree with your analysis.

[mr_lebowski]

8. did you mean to say 'why' rather than 'what'? (nt)

[mopinko]

14. ty. proof read the whole thing twice, but didnt look at the subject. doh.

[mr_lebowski]

15. np :) nt

[Nanjeanne]

9. Before 2016 I wanted Warren to be the first woman President. I was very disappointed

when she didn’t run against Hillary. I have been a fan of Sanders for 40 years but never expected him to run. When he did I was in and still am. To dismiss him as a cranky old man shows your question to be disingenuous. If you want Warren as a president - that’s great. She’s my 2nd choice.

Your comparison of one being a sharp woman and another as a cranky old man is pretty blatant. So your real question is not why is t it a goal to have a woman President but how can you support Bernie who is a cranky old man who can’t get anything done? I dismiss your question outright.

[mopinko]

16. meh. it's not my perception so much as the general perception.

and yes, the perception of his critics, me included.
you sorta just proved my point that that even his supporters are aware of his baggage, or my comments wouldnt have bugged you enough to deflect the question.
that sort of stuff doesnt help.

why is warren everyone's #2 when she has more plusses and fewer minuses. that's all i am trying to say.
doesnt anyone know math any more?

eta- ps. we proved in 18 that when women run, women win.

[cherryinpa]

17. I'm no Bernie fan boy

But use of cranky old man was unfortunate.

We need less language like all over the US.

Unfortunately the abusive tone of the guy in the Whitehous is influencing the masses.

[mopinko]

18. meh. it was a caricature, for sure. but it's out there.

imho, a useful metaphor on my part, but we are talking about how it hits the average voter, and what i will be carrying to the doors w me.

[cherryinpa]

20. you can say meh all you like

But it doesn't hurt anyone to take a civil tone here with each other.

[mopinko]

21. considering how i feel, personally, that is as civil as i can be and still feel honest.

sorry not sorry.