Vote in OK on Tues. Prefer EWbut see Bernie and Biden v close in OK. Do NOT want Bernie. Sooooo....

[bobbieinok]

Should I vote Biden??

Any other year I'd go with my heart, like I realized I should do in the 70s when I didn't vote for Chisholm.

But we MUST defeat Trump. And I just do not see any way Bernie can win the election. And I think he'll cost us the House.

I like lots of Bernie's ideas. BUT 'socialism' is the kiss of death for way too many. I don't know why his supporters don't see that. It's like they live in a bubble.

Maybe it's not a problem for younger people. But would enough of them vote to balance out the rest? Voting pattern history says not.

[squirecam]

1. I voted for Amy in Nevada.

If Nevada was this Tuesday, I would still vote for Amy, but only because NV is a caucus.

If it were a primary this Tuesday, I’d vote Biden.

It’s between the two of them now.

[BComplex]

2. NO NO NO!!! Just vote for Elizabeth!!

There are millions of us out there, and she needs to hear from us! She could still be the one! Don't give up hope, and don't try to second guess some sort of "strategy" to beat Trump. Vote for the one who you KNOW would make the best president.

That's how Obama won...people didn't go "safe", they went TRUE.

[Demsrule86]

8. She is not winning the nomination. It is foolish not to vote for someone who can win a general.

[Bucky]

22. This is a Warren family discussion, please

[blm]

10. Good point. plus, Biden needs Warren to stay in to keep Sanders numbers low

enough so he can slip past him beyond Tuesday.

[Bucky]

24. Exactly this, yes

Warren may be leaving the race soon, but she should have all of her support registered in the ballots before that happens.

If anything, that gives her a better bargaining position when delegates are hammering out the party platform in the summer.

I'm in Houston, where she went to college. I'm giving her my hometown support

[kimbutgar]

3. I feel the same way

Was going to vote for Warren but might now vote for Biden in our primary.

My sister and mother in law who are both lifelong liberals and voted Democratic voters all elections are afraid of Bernie being the nominee. They both think he will lose to mf45 because socialism equates to communism.

[Demsrule86]

4. Vote for Biden in order to stop Sanders and in the end Trump...a vote at this point for EW

in this primary is a vote for Sanders. This is election is too important.

[squirecam]

17. Except in Massachusetts

Nt

[Demsrule86]

23. Agree...hope she cleans his clock in Mass...that was a nasty thing for him to do.

[5X]

5. The wife and I both voted absentee in Ok.

Neither one of us voted for Bernie.

[Moderateguy]

6. If you are ok with voting for Biden then go ahead...

But if you feel like it’ll torture you to not vote for Warren, then I’d vote for Warren

[WhereAmerica]

7. The nominee will be Biden or Bernie

And, because the vast majority of general election voters do not want Socialism, Bernie will lose in a landslide to Trump. And we'll lose the House and maybe even lose some Senate seats.

Vote Biden. He offer gun control, a fight against climate change, $15,000 tax credits for home buyers, free community college and a respect for the rule of law.

[BComplex]

21. I don't think it's a done-deal yet.

I think there's hope.

[Walleye]

9. I voted for Shirley Chisholm in 1972.

I say go with Joe this time. Heart and mind. It might just be our last chance to be the United States we know and love.

[PatSeg]

11. Sounds like you have a good overview

of what is happening. If people want real change, they need to focus more on the senate and the house, as well as local and state races. A president can only do so much alone. We can't afford to lose any seats in the house or the senate.

Bernie's ideas don't bother me, though I disagree with some of them to a degree. It is him as a person that is my issue. I don't see him as a president who can negotiate and compromise to get things done. He keeps alienating the people that he would need to bring about change.

And yes, the tag of "socialist" is definitely a turnoff for many voters. Most of us here know what it means, but a lot of people are conditioned to be afraid of the term.

I trust you'll make the right decision.

[Happy Hoosier]

12. IMO, yes, support Joe.

I love Liz. She was a my pick. She can't win and Bernie MUST NOT win. Support Joe.

[GreenPartyVoter]

13. I'm still voting for Liz. I want my voice heard.

[Fresh_Start]

14. do what you think will produce the best candidate for the general

if you think your vote for Liz is a wasted effort, then vote Biden
if you think Liz pulls support from Sanders, vote Liz

I was doing the same type of calculus in California. It isn't about the primary, it is about the best candidate for the general election.

[Sloumeau]

15. bobbieinok, I will tell you why I voted for Biden

Most of us Biden voters don't have a problem with either Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren's ideas. We all want better healthcare. We all want more affordable college. The thing is, you have to get elected first to do any of that. So, let's look at which Democrats actually get elected.

Starting with Eisenhower in 1952, the only Democrats to ever get elected to the Presidency have been Moderates. Let's check each of those Moderates out of for a moment.

1960. JFK ran as an anti-Communist and a war hero who wanted to get the economy moving. Nothing for Republicans to hate there.

1964. LBJ beat Goldwater by appearing tougher on Communists. Many believe he escalated the Vietnam War for this very purpose.

1976. Jimmy Carter won both because Nixon was a crook and because of the high inflation during Ford's Time in office. Jimmy Carter ran as the church-going, peanut farm owning businessman and family man who manned a nuclear submarine during WWII. Again, nothing for Republicans to hate.

1992. Bill Clinton ran as the great triangulator New Democrat who was tough on crime. He also ran on the Republican idea of Free Trade. Nothing for Republicans to hate there. Being from the South also helped him to win both Southern White and Southern Black voters. Being strong in the South and with African American voters is an important ingredient in Democratic Presidential Wins

1996. Bill Clinton signed NAFTA, which Republicans liked, and got the economy moving, which everyone liked.

2008. After Republicans tanked the economy, Barack Obama promised to restore the economy, something that Republicans could get behind.

2012. Barack Obama won reelection 2012 on the strength of the improved economy, something that everyone could get behind.

What does every one of these Democrats who won the Presidency have in common? None of them were scary Liberals, Socialists, Communists, or Leftists. They were people that not just Democrats could get behind, but that lots of Independents could get behind also.

The last time someone anywhere close to as far left as Bernie Sanders got the nomination and ran for President was George McGovern, and he got slaughtered. The trick is to run a Moderate, so as not to scare people, then get lots of liberal things done after you win. So, what are just some of the things that these Moderates did?

JFK: In 3 years, JFK began the race to the moon and successfully dealt with the Cuban Missle Crisis, getting rid of Cuba's missiles without blowing up the world.

LBJ: Probably messed up with his Vietnam escalation, but signed the Voting Rights Act and other Civil Rights Legislation. Also, he started the war on poverty.

Jimmy Carter: Brought down the high inflation in America. Created the Windfall Profits Tax on oil company profits. His people negotiated the release of the Iran hostages, although to embarrass Carter, Iran waited until Reagan's Inauguration to actually release them.

Bill Clinton: Created tens of millions of jobs, closed military bases, and ended his Presidency with a balanced budget

Barack Obama: Recovered America from the Great Recession, created Obamacare, created the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act.

There are two parts to any Presidency:

1) What you do to get elected.
2)What you do after you are elected.

The best presidents tend to underpromise during the campaign and overdeliver while in office.

[Faux pas]

16. I'm

sticking with her as long as she's around. Mailed my vote for her last week. I'm in Washington state.

[jmg257]

18. Screw the indecision - you have 1 vote - vote for whom you want

To win.

[OKNancy]

19. I'm voting Biden

My 35-year-old daughter said her heart was with Buttigieg but her brain says Biden. So we are both voting Biden. The last Oklahoma poll said Bloomberg was ahead but that was two weeks ago. OK voted Bernie last time.

[mopinko]

20. dont forget that they keep their delegates.

she has a good shot at getting enough delegates to be a force at the convention. if the also rans held out, got together, imho, the control the vp pick, and the platform.

give her a delegate.

[Demsrule86]

25. They do not keep their delegates if they drop out.

[TexasTowelie]

33. She will need 300 delegates in order to have her name entered into nomination at the convention.

If she doesn't receive that much support, then her delegates are free to vote for another candidate.

[Celerity]

35. Do you have a link for that 300 number? TIA

[Celerity]

34. The OP is in OK, though, where Warren is at 8 and 9% in the last two polls (granted not that new)

What is also very clear is that Klobuchar, whilst she may win MN, has ZERO path after Super Tuesday, and Pete probably doesn't either, although he is far above Klobuchar overall, who is dead last (other than the inconsequential Gabbard) with a 4.8% average from all the polls below.


https://soonerpoll.com/wpcontent/uploads/2020/02/News9-6_DemocratPrezPrimary_Final.pdf

Okla.
FEB 17-21, 2020
B/C
SoonerPoll
409 LV Biden
21%
Bloomberg
20%
Sanders
13%
Buttigieg
10%
Warren
9%
Klobuchar
7%
Biden +1


https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/20200218_OK_2.pdf

Okla.
FEB 10-13, 2020
B/C
Cole Hargrave Snodgrass & Associates
172 LV Bloomberg
20%
Sanders
14%
Biden
12%
Buttigieg
11%
Warren
8%
Klobuchar
6%
Bloomberg +6 <<< I expect this is now lower

some other states released today, yesterday,and Friday


https://www.suffolk.edu/-/media/suffolk/documents/academics/research-at-suffolk/suprc/polls/massachusetts2/2020/2-29-2020-ma_marginals.pdf

Mass.
FEB 26-29, 2020
A-
Suffolk University
500 LV Sanders
24%
Warren
22%
Bloomberg
13%
Buttigieg
12%
Biden
11%
Klobuchar
5%
Sanders +2



https://www.pointblankpolitical.com/2020-ca-dem-primary-post-debate/

Calif.
FEB 26-28, 2020
Point Blank Political
2,276 LV Sanders
34%
Warren
14%
Biden
14%
Bloomberg
12%
Buttigieg
9%
Klobuchar
3%
Sanders +20


https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/


Sunday, March 1

California Democratic Primary CBS News/YouGov Sanders 31, Biden 19, Warren 18, Bloomberg 12, Buttigieg 9, Klobuchar 4, Steyer 3, Gabbard 1
Sanders +12

Texas Democratic Primary NBC News/Marist Sanders 34, Biden 19, Bloomberg 15, Warren 10, Buttigieg 8, Klobuchar 3, Gabbard 1
Sanders +15

Texas Democratic Primary Dallas Morning News Sanders 29, Biden 19, Bloomberg 21, Warren 10, Buttigieg 8, Klobuchar 4, Gabbard 1
Sanders +8

North Carolina Democratic Presidential Primary NBC News/Marist Biden 24, Sanders 26, Bloomberg 15, Warren 11, Buttigieg 7, Klobuchar 5, Steyer 2, Gabbard 1
Sanders +2

North Carolina Democratic Presidential Primary East Carolina U. Biden 29, Sanders 25, Bloomberg 14, Warren 11, Buttigieg 4, Klobuchar 5, Steyer, Gabbard 1
Biden +4

Massachusetts Democratic Presidential Primary Boston Globe/Suffolk Sanders 24, Warren 22, Buttigieg 12, Bloomberg 13, Biden 11, Klobuchar 5, Steyer 2, Gabbard 1
Sanders +2


Saturday, February 29

Texas Democratic Primary Data for Progress (D) Sanders 30, Biden 21, Bloomberg 21, Warren 13, Buttigieg 9, Klobuchar 5, Gabbard 1
Sanders +9

North Carolina Democratic Presidential Primary Data for Progress (D) Biden 25, Sanders 27, Bloomberg 18, Warren 11, Buttigieg 10, Klobuchar 6, Steyer 1, Gabbard 1
Sanders +2


Friday, February 28

California Democratic Primary CNN Sanders 35, Warren 14, Biden 13, Bloomberg 12, Buttigieg 7, Klobuchar 6, Steyer 3, Gabbard 1
Sanders +21

California Democratic Primary Berkeley IGS Sanders 34, Warren 17, Biden 8, Bloomberg 12, Buttigieg 11, Klobuchar 6, Steyer 2, Gabbard
Sanders +17

Texas Democratic Primary Univision/U. of Houston Sanders 26, Biden 20, Bloomberg 20, Warren 11, Buttigieg 6, Klobuchar 2, Gabbard 1
Sanders +6

North Carolina Democratic Presidential Primary Civitas (R) Biden 27, Sanders 19, Bloomberg 16, Warren 11, Buttigieg 4, Klobuchar 5, Steyer, Gabbard
Biden +8

Massachusetts Democratic Presidential Primary WBUR/MassINC Sanders 25, Warren 17, Buttigieg 14, Bloomberg 13, Biden 9, Klobuchar 6, Steyer 2, Gabbard 1
Sanders +8

Massachusetts Democratic Presidential Primary UMass Amherst Sanders 25, Warren 23, Buttigieg 14, Bloomberg 9, Biden 12, Klobuchar 7, Steyer 3, Gabbard 4
Sanders +2

Utah Democratic Primary Deseret News/Hinckley Sanders 28, Bloomberg 19, Buttigieg 18, Warren 15, Biden 6, Klobuchar 4, Steyer, Gabbard <1
Sanders +9

Virginia Democratic Primary Christopher Newport Univ. Sanders 17, Bloomberg 13, Biden 22, Buttigieg 8, Warren 8, Klobuchar 5, Gabbard <1
Biden +5

[aeromanKC]

27. It will be important for Warren to win MA

as a block of Bernie. Just as Amy hopefully wins in MN. But realistically, both will drop out soon after Super Tuesday.

[RandySF]

28. Latest Sooner Poll

Biden 21%
Bloomberg 20%
Sanders 13%
Warren 9%

[Qutzupalotl]

29. That's my thinking too.

In ordinary years, the advice is vote your heart in the primaries and your head in the general. But this is no ordinary election. I love Elizabeth, I supported Pete for a while, but I came back to Joe to mop the freaking floor with Trump and his despicable minions, to electorally embarrass the Nazis back under the rocks they crawled out of.

[redstatebluegirl]

30. I already voted in OK early voting for Biden.

If you do not want BS I think Biden is the way to go.

[Bucky]

32. If your for Biden, you don't want Warren out of the race yet

[Bucky]

31. I just posted this elsewhere, but let me tell you why to vote for Warren

1. If you want her to have any voice in the convention, she needs delegates. Warren needs your vote for her to gain delegates to sit in the platform committees that wired the 2020 Democratic Platform. Just a few will do to put her voice and ideas at the table.

If you were attracted to Warren for her ideas, this will get them heard. And hers are you the right ideas.

2. If you're trying to "stop Bernie", you want Warren to do as good as possible. About half of her support will go to Sanders when she leaves the race, according to a DU survey I did last week. (It's qualitative data, not quantitative data, but it's quite convincing. I'll post results and another thread tonight after I've finished looking at the numbers)

3. If you're concerned about Biden being a vulnerable candidate because of his establishment ties and opposition to expanding Medicare, then you want to give Elizabeth Warren more leverage in discussing our issues as she leaves the race. So again, voting for her now helps that cause.

4. If Bloomberg is on the ballot, you want to help her finish ahead of him

[Karma13612]

36. This is the Primary

Vote for the candidate you want.

It pains me when I read of people who want a specific candidate but vote for a different candidate based on electability fears.

Liz is electable if you elect her.

Sorry, I meant this in the nicest possible way.