Me Too Founder Tarana Burke Calls Biden's Response 'Disrespectful And Inexcusable'

Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Original post)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 08:46 AM

secondwind (16,756 posts)

1. Oh for crying out loud. Enough already.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to secondwind (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 08:49 AM

MadDAsHell (2,067 posts)

3. Exactly. These women need to learn their place...

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Response to MadDAsHell (Reply #3)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:12 AM

EveHammond13 (2,855 posts)

62. zzzzzzzzz

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Response to MadDAsHell (Reply #3)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:17 AM

EveHammond13 (2,855 posts)

71. EVERYONE - THIS IS AN OLD ARTICLE THAT IS BEING POSTED FOR OBVIOUS REASONS ********

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Response to EveHammond13 (Reply #71)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:18 AM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,337 posts)

75. GARBLEBRFLFGGDL!

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Response to MadDAsHell (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 11, 2019, 05:37 AM

Chemisse (30,514 posts)

182. Oh right. If you criticize a woman you must be sexist.

And because she started a movement, she speaks for all women everywhere who support MeToo. Clearly she must be in line for canonization! If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to secondwind (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 08:50 AM

helpisontheway (4,879 posts)

4. +1 Agree 100%...So sick of this crap..nt

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Response to secondwind (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 08:58 AM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,337 posts)

8. Hmmm. Interesting take on the founder of the movement.

You don't think attitudes toward things that make women uncomfortable is important? If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to secondwind (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:36 AM

greymattermom (5,715 posts)

27. I get that.

My boss used to put his hand on my shoulder. I hated it, not because it was sexual, but because it was a dominance gesture. Real hugs are totally different. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to greymattermom (Reply #27)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:18 AM

EveHammond13 (2,855 posts)

76. THIS IS AN OLD ARTICLE BEING POSTED AS IF IT JUST HAPPENED **********************************

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Response to secondwind (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 01:51 PM

bitterross (4,066 posts)

126. Right! We did this whole thread already DAYS ago.

We've been here and done this. Reposting it is just bad for everyone. https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=56182 If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to secondwind (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 03:54 PM

LW1977 (1,140 posts)

153. This!!

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Original post)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 08:49 AM

helpisontheway (4,879 posts)

2. Gosh I wish these people would drop it and leave Biden alone

He might have invaded their personal space but he did not sexually assault them. He apologized and now they want to take everything he says and disect it. Beyond sick of all of it. Thiscaused us to lose someone like Al Franken too. We needed people like him to help us take down the orange asshole. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to helpisontheway (Reply #2)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 08:59 AM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,337 posts)

9. So they should not talk about what makes the uncomfortable

because it wasn't sexual assault? How close to sexual assault does it need to be before it's OK for them to say something? If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #9)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:12 AM

lapfog_1 (27,374 posts)

14. did they do so at the time?

did they remove his hand from their shoulders and say "your physical expression of either support or sympathy is not needed or wanted" did they say anything at the time at all? Did they complain when others (especially those who they now support for POTUS) did the exact same thing as Joe? If they didn't complain about Bernie Sanders putting HIS hands on their shoulders either then or now... why the dual standard? If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to lapfog_1 (Reply #14)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:29 AM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,337 posts)

19. So there is a timeline?

There is no reason why they might feel like they can't say anything at the time? They can't feel uncomfortable with one person but comfortable with another for their own reasons? Maybe Biden gave them a creepy feeling for a multitude of options and Sanders didn't? I don't know. That would be something that would be up to them to decide. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #19)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:44 AM

lapfog_1 (27,374 posts)

39. so how would one know that a physical touch is unwanted?

and if the standard is... "don't invade personal space because you don't know what the person wants" then why would there NOT be a complaint about other prominent politicians touching these women in the exact same way (just because they feel now that the physical expression is OK from some but not others). Neither of these male politicians (and why would a woman who doesn't like to be touched need to restrict the complaints to only men who touched them?) knew before hand if the touching was unwanted... so they both acted inappropriately... but only one (who is potentially running against the other one) is called out as a #metoo criminal bad person. #metoo will lose support if it is used as a tool to discredit good men who did "nothing different" that others that the "victims" now support in politics. This will let the real offenders (like our current "grab them by the pussy" president) off because "how is what Trump did different than Joe Biden?" in the minds of many... Witness Al Franken and what it did to his career... and he was one of our best Democrats. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to lapfog_1 (Reply #39)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:48 AM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,337 posts)

45. So when I'm talking to a woman, I don't touch her.

I can still be next to her and not put my hands on her. Why is that so hard? And if I feel like it is appropriate, why can't I just ask? Is that some burden to me? All of these male politicians assumed that the touch was wanted and was OK. That's the problem. Maybe sometimes it is. Sometimes it isn't. The problem is that males often just assume that it is OK and don't make sure and are pretty crappy at reading the signs. This can't just be about saying that "grab them by the pussy" is bad but anything less than that is fine. We need to have a discussion about males putting their hands on the small of the back of women as they pass them. We (males) need to learn that that is pretty shitty, too. Nobody is saying that an unwanted hand on the shoulder is the same as "grabbing their pussy." But it's still shitty and we should still talk about it. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #45)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:08 AM

lapfog_1 (27,374 posts)

57. I don't either

but then when a woman I used to work with now tries to sell me and my new company computer equipment... she hugs me "hello" on every sales visit. Should I care? She does it without asking me if it is ok for her to do so. Should I call my previous employers HR and make a complaint? These sorts of "offenses" against one's personal space are innocent in nature... no one is offering me sex in exchange for me purchasing something for which she would be granted a commission (we are talking about millions of dollars on revenue for her company). No one is sexually harassing me. I am not going to wait for years and when she is up for promotion then I will register a complaint with her HR department, sue her for sexual harassment or complain on a twitter channel about her behavior. Because it isn't a big deal. I think these women who are complaining about Joe Biden right now are doing so purely for political purposes and to try to remove him from the field of candidates for President... because they have either been told to do so by another candidate they support or they thought of it themselves. And I believe that to be despicable. It's not like this is new behavior for Joe... and why didn't the complaints come when the #metoo movement started and everyone was outing truly gross behavior including rape or attempted rape. Why wait until Joe is about to announce a run for President. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to lapfog_1 (Reply #57)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:11 AM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,337 posts)

61. If you don't want a hug, then you can tell her.

And are there women that might make claims to hurt someone? I'm sure there might be. But I'm going to continue to live my life with the assumption that those are pretty far and few between. That when a woman tells me that something makes her uncomfortable, I'm going to listen, believe her, and not tell her that she is wrong about that and that it is OK that that guy touched her. I'm not going to dismiss it. I'm not going to make it OK for others to dismiss it either so that we get more of that "culture of silence" that the article in the OP talks about. I also don't feel I need to hold all women to a timeline that makes me feel better about things. If a woman wants to talk about her reality right now, then that is a good time for her to talk about it. If she wants to do it X days from now, that's a good time, too. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to lapfog_1 (Reply #14)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:29 AM

EveHammond13 (2,855 posts)

84. +1

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #9)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:12 AM

helpisontheway (4,879 posts)

15. They said it! He apologized and said he would be more careful. End of story..

What else do they want from him? For him not to run? If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to helpisontheway (Reply #15)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:30 AM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,337 posts)

20. His joking about it after the apology was pretty tone deaf.

And, I'm guessing they want a discussion and not to be dismissed. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #20)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 03:52 PM

John Fante (3,479 posts)

152. These women had their 15 minutes.

They don't like physical contact of any kind. We get it. Move along. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #20)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 06:11 PM

Lazy Daisy (928 posts)

167. Ding Ding Ding

Here's a kewpie doll. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #20)

Thu Apr 11, 2019, 05:44 AM

Chemisse (30,514 posts)

183. This is so ridiculous. How can you pretend that they seriously 'want a discussion'?

If they really wanted a discussion about being uncomfortable about a moment of having their space invaded, they would spend 10 minutes talking about it to their therapist, or their spouse. Or they would forget about it in an hour like the rest of us do when uncomfortable things happen - like all the time! These women don't 'want a discussion' about their tender little feelings. They just don't want Biden to be president. Or possibly they were paid to not want him to be president. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Original post)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 08:50 AM

democratisphere (17,235 posts)

5. Joe Biden did nothing wrong. Joe Biden's actions had nothing to do

with sexual harassment. Burke needs to stop relating the two in the same breath. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Original post)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 08:55 AM

WeekiWater (3,259 posts)

6. We know.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/128756182 If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to WeekiWater (Reply #6)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 08:59 AM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,337 posts)

10. Sorry

I searched the last couple of pages and didn't see it. My bad. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #10)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 02:22 PM

Cha (282,409 posts)

140. Yeah, your "bad".. try putting it in the

search engine the next time. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to WeekiWater (Reply #6)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:02 AM

George II (67,782 posts)

12. Yeah but, that was LAST week. We have to see this at least once every week until spring 2020......

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Response to George II (Reply #12)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:31 AM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,337 posts)

21. That's rich

We still hear about Sanders having more than one house. And a million other things that he did 4 years ago. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #21)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:38 AM

R B Garr (16,533 posts)

30. Thanks for making it clear that your concern really

isn’t about MeToo. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #30)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:42 AM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,337 posts)

34. Of course it is.

But when people complain that we shouldn't talk about it because it's *GASP* a whole week old, that rings of some serious hypocrisy that should be pointed out. I supported Sanders in 2016 but do not this time around. I don't think he's right for the time. Nor do I think Biden is. But the level of dismissiveness toward the MeToo concerns on DU is troublesome at the least. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #34)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:43 AM

R B Garr (16,533 posts)

36. LOL

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #36)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:44 AM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,337 posts)

38. Hard to argue with that well thought out retort.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #38)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:46 AM

R B Garr (16,533 posts)

43. Your MeToo concern isn't that well thought out.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #43)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:52 AM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,337 posts)

47. Thank you for dismissing concerns about what women have to deal with.

It is important that we talk about this. YMMV, I guess. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #47)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:46 AM

R B Garr (16,533 posts)

107. You made it clear this isn't about women or MeToo.

It’s about Sanders. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #107)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:52 AM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,337 posts)

109. I don't even support Sanders this time around.

My response about Sanders was that someone complained about this being brought up AGAIN when it's *GASP* FIVE DAYS OLD. How many posts a day do we have to see about Sanders and his stupid tax returns? Those that take part in those kind of threads don't get to say that this shouldn't be posted after 5 days. But, yeah, you go ahead and keep saying this is somehow magically about Sanders. When I've clearly shown support for a different candidate (it's not even like I'm "undecided" to hide something) If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #109)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 01:20 PM

R B Garr (16,533 posts)

120. Your post 21 speaks for itself, as does this little change

confession. This isn’t about MeToo. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #120)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 01:23 PM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,337 posts)

121. Post 12 gives the context for post 21. Post 21 didn't just happen out of the blue.

What "change confession"? As to why I'm not supporting Sanders? It's actually pretty much the reason I'm not supporting Biden who I liked as VP (hint: it has nothing to do with the point of the OP). But, again, if it makes you feel better to think something, then I guess you have at it. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #121)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 01:53 PM

R B Garr (16,533 posts)

130. This isn't about MeToo

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #130)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 01:56 PM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,337 posts)

131. This subthread has kind of devolved, for sure.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #47)

Thu Apr 11, 2019, 05:14 AM

True Blue American (16,567 posts)

176. I am a woman.

A Clerk put his hand on my shoulder at the grocery yesterday. I have had a couple of conversations with him. I took it as a gesture of friendship. Good God, this is getting ridiculous and my fellow Dems and those wanting attention have gone off the rails! The MeToo movement is supposed to be about sexual harassment! Not idiotic space years later! If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #21)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 01:24 PM

brush (46,185 posts)

122. A million other things being dollars. Oh the hypocrisy...the one who rails at...

millionaires and billionaires is one himself. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to brush (Reply #122)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 01:27 PM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,337 posts)

123. If you start a thread about that

you might want to be careful because I'm sure the double posting police that came after me here will go after you. As will the "old news" brigade. Actually, I know they won't, but, you know.... But, yeah, I'm not pulling for Sanders to win this time around. I'll clearly vote for him if he does, though. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to George II (Reply #12)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:38 AM

COLGATE4 (14,732 posts)

29. Amen!

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Original post)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 08:57 AM

Indygram (2,113 posts)

7. I was raped and I'm really sick of the bastardizing of MeToo

I can't even begin to express how distressing and hurtful it is to see a genuinely GOOD person being pig piled on as if his well meaning gestures were even REMOTELY comparable to me being violently beaten and raped. People are not mind readers. If someone's well meaning gestures make you feel uncomfortable then SAY SOMETHING right then. Don't decide to use your discomfort with an innocent gesture to try to destroy and demonize another person. This feels like being violated all over again at how MeToo is being minimized and now people trying to speak out about sexual assault won't be taken as seriously anymore. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Indygram (Reply #7)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:00 AM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,337 posts)

11. I'm sorry that happened.

But I don't know how it is minimizing the movement when it is the founder of the movement talking about it. She puts it into perspective of her movement. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #11)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:13 AM

Indygram (2,113 posts)

16. Including innocent gestures under the same umbrella as VIOLENT RAPE minimizes MY trauma

I don't know how much more clear I can be. It's deeply insulting and hurtful. When someone tries to hug me and I don't want a hug I just say, "I don't like hugs." Then they don't try to hug me. I don't wait a few years and then go to the press and try to intimidate them into not applying for a job they want and are qualified for. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Indygram (Reply #16)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:31 AM

hlthe2b (95,545 posts)

22. Well said, Indygram...

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Response to Indygram (Reply #16)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:33 AM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,337 posts)

23. I don't think the #metoo movement is about violent rape only.

And I don't think anyone is saying that what these women are talking about is the same as what you experienced. One of the paragraphs I quoted says explicitly that it isn't the same. There myriad reasons why one might not feel they are able to tell someone they don't want physical contact from someone else. I think that is the discussion that is trying to be had here. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #23)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:41 AM

Indygram (2,113 posts)

32. "Support survivors and end sexual violence"

That is what the MeToo movement is SUPPOSED to be about. It doesn't say "Coddling for people unwilling to speak up and set boundaries." https://metoomvmt.org/ If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Indygram (Reply #32)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:45 AM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,337 posts)

41. There is also this from the website

Many of us are survivors, too; so we know that empowering others through empathy is often a part of our own healing journeys. I don't see a lot of empathy here sometimes. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #41)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:55 AM

Indygram (2,113 posts)

50. Are you a survivor? I am

Have you been violently beaten and raped? I have. Have you been groped against your will multiple times through your lifetime? I have. Have you been sexually harassed dozens of times? I have. All of the things I mentioned have one thing in common...the perpetrator sought or got sexual gratification from what they did. THAT was the CLEAR intent. Joe Biden's uninvited and sometimes unwelcome hugs were NEVER anything other than an attempt to provide comfort, support and encouragement. Trying to group it with something dirty and disgusting is beneath contempt and needs to stop. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Indygram (Reply #50)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:01 AM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,337 posts)

51. I am not.

And, again, I am sorry that you are. And neither I nor the article I quote are comparing what Biden did to what you experienced. I'm sorry if I gave that impression. But do you not think that she is right that the attitudes we have toward these women help to perpetuate a culture of silence? Do you think that by having empathy toward what these women have gone through we can help with creating a better culture for the healing of people who have gone through what you have? That empathy is always better? That we can be better at empathy? And I would also reiterate that if you want to continue this discussion elsewhere in the event that this overall thread is triggering, I am fine with that. I do want to know your viewpoint on it all. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #51)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 01:53 PM

padah513 (2,240 posts)

129. Dude...

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #23)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 01:41 PM

flotsam (3,268 posts)

124. Really-Because your heroine said this on Twitter:

"We can’t only get up in arms when it’s a Weinstein situation. These lesser talked about, often ignored violations and indignities are what help deepen a culture of silence around all sexual harassment and violence." So she either conflates what Biden did with sexual harassment and violence or is just using #metoo to advance her politics. Either way she can Fuck off. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to flotsam (Reply #124)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 01:46 PM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,337 posts)

125. Pretty much what she says in the article in the OP. Which you COMPLETELY misunderstand.

She is not saying they are the same crime. She is saying that reacting to these women that have accused Biden like people on here are is just going to entrench this culture of silence. Women that have a truth to tell are going to see how these women are treated for just saying they were uncomfortable with what Biden did and they are not going to tell their truth for fear of being treated the same or worse. And she's right. And you telling her to fuck off because she makes that point doesn't help, either. And isn't something I would expect on a liberal web site. But, yeah, the woman of color that started a social movement to empower women can fuck off because you support some old white guy for president. Jesus. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Wed Apr 10, 2019, 01:53 PM

flotsam (3,268 posts)

128. Really

You don't expect a democrat on a democratic discussion board to defend the democratic front runner from a spurious attack against his character while she is supporting a different democrat. And yes-she can fuck off! If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to flotsam (Reply #128)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 01:58 PM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,337 posts)

132. So fuck women's issues--IT'S PRIMARY TIME!

Seems like a shitty position to take. And neither I nor the article in the OP are saying Biden shouldn't run. Just that we need to have the discussion and make women feel like they can tell their truth when they want to. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Wed Apr 10, 2019, 02:02 PM

flotsam (3,268 posts)

136. Fuck the Frankening and those who spread it...

I'm done with you. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to flotsam (Reply #136)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 02:04 PM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,337 posts)

137. Oooh man, whatever am I going to do without you?

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Wed Apr 10, 2019, 04:30 PM

Cha (282,409 posts)

158. Whatever are you going to do

that you can't bring Joe Biden down? If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #166)

Thu Apr 11, 2019, 12:58 AM

Cha (282,409 posts)

174. So blatantly

desperate. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #132)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 06:15 PM

Demsrule86 (65,359 posts)

169. Your primary pick would benefit from Biden being out. Have you consider as great as Mayor Pete is

and I like him, he won't win a general. Biden can and will hence all the attacks. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Indygram (Reply #16)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 03:07 PM

quickesst (6,226 posts)

148. it is unfortunate....

.... that they are those who cannot grasp the wisdom in your words. A genuine voice of reason born out of a tragic event. Thank you If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Indygram (Reply #16)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 04:12 PM

Desert grandma (749 posts)

155. Thank you for saying

What many of us women are thinking. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Indygram (Reply #16)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 06:46 PM

Lazy Daisy (928 posts)

171. I'm sorry for your tragedy

But know you are not alone. 1 in 4 women have been raped. In varying degrees from passed out and raped to full on violent beating and rape. Include sexually assaulted and that number goes up a great deal. Many women don't report their rapes. I didn't report mine. Talking about the trauma of feeling uncomfortable when somebody you hardly know shows too familiar of affection, then feeling loss of control about what can be done about it because that person holds some sort of sway doesn't diminish your trauma in any way. We don't measure a woman's trauma by the severity. This isn't a contest. There are no medals given for having a gun held to your head while your drunken spouse does what he wants to your body, repeatedly. Nor do we tell a women who had her ass grabbed on the bus to just get over it, it wasn't that bad. Joe Biden is an affectionate person. That's great for the people he calls friends and loved ones. But this isn't the first time his affectionate ways have been brought to his attention. In the past it's been called out and the person in question gave him cover, as women have been taught to do for generations. So Joe, being a man with power and prestige listened to all the people telling him it was OK and he's a great guy, because society told him it was OK and he's a great guy. Now we have women speaking out. Speaking truth. It's not OK. This is my life, my personal space, my voice. You don't get to be overly familiar with me because YOU like to be affectionate. You don't get to be a great guy at my expense. When the story came out, I gave Joe a pass because society has been telling him his whole life his actions were OK. When he apologized and said he's listening and learning I thought he was FKN awesome. Then he made fun.............................. So now we're back to Joe Biden getting to enjoy being an affectionate person to whomever he chooses cause he's a great guy and damn it, he's entitled to feel good about giving affection to people he barely knows. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Indygram (Reply #7)

Thu Apr 11, 2019, 05:33 AM

Chemisse (30,514 posts)

180. I totally agree. I think it's an insult to women who have been raped.

When the MeToo Movement started, I was really emotionally moved to be able to say - out loud, in public - 'me too' about being raped. The realization that most women had suffered some kind of significant sexual assault in their lives seemed to give us all strength, and forge it into a movement. Suddenly every shoulder touch - even those that are admittedly nonsexual! - are condemned by MeToo? That is an insult to all the women who have been raped to be equated with those who have 'suffered' a kiss on the head. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Original post)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:11 AM

hlthe2b (95,545 posts)

13. Your article was posted: 04/05/2019 06:52 pm--- FIVE days ago: You just won't let it go...

The backlash you are seeing is from those who may well have given all the accusers every benefit of the doubt, (as did I) had sympathy for them (as did I), but after weeks of the rehash, Biden's repeated mea culpas, and most of all, their total lack of grace in accepting, has turned many of us off, totally. I no longer hold any neutrality towards those who keep rehashing over and over and over and over. To me (and many others), that just SCREAMS agenda. I'm not even supporting Biden (at least yet), but damn, this just pisses me off daily. Maybe it is time for some of these individuals--who proclaim they are so "offended" and remain so weeks later-- to go scream at their elderly grandparents for deigning to HUG THEM! OMG! Get it out of your system! If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #13)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:34 AM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,337 posts)

25. I just saw it today.

It resonated with me after his tone deaf joke about asking for consent less than 24 hours after his apology. Those jokes lead me to believe that he really doesn't get the point of the discussion. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #25)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:38 AM

hlthe2b (95,545 posts)

28. Really? Have you never committed a nervous faux pas? Boy some here are really exceptional

and far less human than the rest of us... I don't think I or much of anyone I know could endure that level of "judgment". If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #28)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:40 AM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,337 posts)

31. Of course I have.

But if someone asked me to stop, I didn't then turn to the next person and make a joke about it. I was sorry for my mistake and tried to do better. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #31)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:45 AM

hlthe2b (95,545 posts)

40. ahh, so than you do understand and belive in the concept of forgiveness...

Too bad more apparently do not. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #40)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:03 AM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,337 posts)

53. I thought Biden's video apology was fine. And then he made his joke.

And that cut against the apology pretty hard. And if I were on his campaign staff, I would have had him make the video apology earlier rather than issuing a statement through a spokesperson because I don't think that helped him as much. But we still need to talk about it. Nobody--not I nor the article in the OP--are saying Biden shouldn't be "forgiven." But the article in the OP and I both agree that we need to continue this discussion. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #25)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:41 AM

Merlot (9,360 posts)

33. Agreed, he doesn't get the point

A lot of people don't seem to get the point. I don't think this is about disqualifying Biden from running. Better for Biden that these stories come out now than closer to the election. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #13)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:21 AM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,337 posts)

79. Nice edit of your title.

Doesn't change anything about my response to the original. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #79)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:23 AM

hlthe2b (95,545 posts)

81. Edited Title??? I took out the ET for Eastern Time Zone because it was superfluous

What on earth? Geebus If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Original post)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:13 AM

WhiskeyGrinder (19,161 posts)

17. I agree with her.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Original post)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:15 AM

karynnj (59,120 posts)

18. I think that the ME Too movement was mostly organic -- not really led by anyone

That said, I think that she is going too far here. This episode did the OPPOSITE of "deepening a culture of silence around all sexual harassment and violence" First of all, Biden's actions, inappropriate as some of them were, were not violence or even sexual harassment. In the years he was in the Senate, there were some senators on each side whose actions DID rise to that level. That was never Biden's reputation. If there was anything that rose to that level, it would have discovered when the Obama team vetted him - and if they missed it it would have been an issue in 2008. So, at this point, you had a man who most people who actually know him call decent, compassionate ... and too demonstrative. He has acknowledged that and says that he will change his behavior. The magnitude in the change in the Democratic half of the population on this can be measured by the fact that Joe Biden is being called out on this by many of the same people who were huge fans of Bill Clinton, who had far bigger problems - though not the Republican exaggerations. Some of this might be simply a desire to nominate a woman, but it is clear that - even with everything shown - the majority of Americans do not see this as disqualifying for Biden. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Original post)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:34 AM

Polly Hennessey (5,268 posts)

24. Ok, women on one side of the room,

men on the other side and no looking across the aisle. Now, the only space women can/will/may invade will be each other’s space. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Polly Hennessey (Reply #24)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:35 AM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,337 posts)

26. Or, and I know this might be a radical thought, maybe men (which I am)

could actually start paying attention to what they are doing and not assume that everyone wants to be touched by them. Shocking, I know. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #26)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:46 AM

Indygram (2,113 posts)

42. Do you mean like paying attention to rape survivors

Who express that minimizing their trauma by lumping unwanted hugs under the same umbrella as violent rape is deeply distressing? If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Indygram (Reply #42)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:51 AM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,337 posts)

46. I'm sorry that you went through that.

I've said that before. But I also read a lot from other survivors (like on the MeToo website) who say that this type of discussion is important, too. That a society which dismisses the "small" violations like Biden committed is part of creating a rape culture. So I have contradictory messages. I'm empathetic to what you are saying. I am. If you want to bow out of this conversation and trash this thread because it triggers you, I fully understand that. If you want to have this conversation through messages so that you don't need to read the rest of the thread, I'm happy to do that. I would love to listen to your thoughts on this whole mess. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #46)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:03 AM

Indygram (2,113 posts)

52. I don't believe you are

You minimized my trauma again with this post. Intent matters and I think yours on this thread has become quite clear. I support Biden 100% and the more this agenda is pushed the more I find his accusers motives to be highly suspect. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Indygram (Reply #52)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:07 AM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,337 posts)

55. I didn't even know you as a poster on DU when I made the OP.

So, I clearly had no intent to minimize your trauma. I have offered to continue this discussion more privately (on several occasions) so that you wouldn't have to have the trauma of this thread. I'm not sure what more I can do. I have friends who have experienced the trauma you have and they have indicated that this type of discussion is necessary. So, as I mentioned earlier, I have conflicting views on whether this should be discussed, now. So I don't know how you would tell me to proceed in that reality. I both should and shouldn't talk about this. Which is why I have offered to have a discussion about that without away from this thread that bothers you, and I have indicated you can trash this thread so it doesn't continue to trigger you. I'm sorry that it is. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Indygram (Reply #42)

Thu Apr 11, 2019, 05:19 AM

True Blue American (16,567 posts)

177. Yes!

Real Trauma is being ridiculed by these silly accusations! You have every right to be angry! I am too, for you! If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Original post)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:42 AM

Polly Hennessey (5,268 posts)

35. Exactly, no touch, no speak,

no eye contact. Whew, now everyone is safe. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Polly Hennessey (Reply #35)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:43 AM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,337 posts)

37. Why don't you just go full MAGA and call them snowflakes?

That's your response to MeToo concerns? Really? Maybe you are in the wrong place. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #37)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:08 AM

Polly Hennessey (5,268 posts)

58. No, I am not in the wrong place.

I’ve been here since the beginning of DU. The MeToo movement is becoming a caricature of itself and, to that end, diminishing the impact of a serious problem in this country. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #37)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 02:25 PM

Cha (282,409 posts)

141. Why don't you stop insulting DU members

because they disagree with you? If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Cha (Reply #141)

Thu Apr 11, 2019, 05:21 AM

True Blue American (16,567 posts)

178. Thank you, Cha!

A male who thinks he speaks for women! I stand for the real victims! If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to True Blue American (Reply #178)

Thu Apr 11, 2019, 01:27 PM

Cha (282,409 posts)

184. Exactly, True Blue!

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Original post)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:48 AM

awesomerwb1 (4,087 posts)

44. "just because his behaviour isn't as extreme as Weinstein"

That sentence I quoted from....WTF? Seriously? Biden's and Weinstein's behaviors are galaxies apart and there is no reason to use them together in a sentence unless.... I guarantee you more people are seriously considering Joe Biden the more these silly comments keep being made. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to awesomerwb1 (Reply #44)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:54 AM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,337 posts)

48. "help deepen a culture of silence"

You don't think that part is true? Even on this thread we have the "well they didn't say it at the time" responses. There are "they shouldn't say this about good people like Biden" on this thread. If you don't see that this attitude helps that culture of silence, I think you might want to consider it more. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:04 AM

awesomerwb1 (4,087 posts)

54. No thanks, I'm good.

I refuse to be a part of this silly hugger vs rapist = similar...stuff in this case. C ya. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:07 AM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,337 posts)

56. Nobody is saying that but you. That comparison is not being made.

I don't know why it makes you feel better to think that it is. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #56)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:13 AM

Polly Hennessey (5,268 posts)

64. Hugger versus Rapist equates

to similar. I am saying it too. Diminish your cause and everyone loses. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:15 AM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,337 posts)

68. "just because his behavior isn't as extreme"

The article in the OP makes it clear they are different. It's about not continuing a culture of silence. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #48)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 02:35 PM

OilemFirchen (6,886 posts)

144. Hmmm...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=62179 Cuthbert Allgood (1,814 posts) 61. If you don't want a hug, then you can tell her. And are there women that might make claims to hurt someone? I'm sure there might be. But I'm going to continue to live my life with the assumption that those are pretty far and few between. That when a woman tells me that something makes her uncomfortable, I'm going to listen, believe her, and not tell her that she is wrong about that and that it is OK that that guy touched her. My bold. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to OilemFirchen (Reply #144)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 02:39 PM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,337 posts)

146. Not sure of your point.

Perhaps I am wrong, but my assumption about the post I responded to was that the poster was talking about a woman giving hugs. Then, in the paragraph, I was talking about myself, a male, and how I would respond to what a female tells me--the point of the OP. If you have any insight into what I'm missing, I can perhaps respond better. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #146)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 04:44 PM

OilemFirchen (6,886 posts)

159. Of course not.

Throughout this thread, and the myriad of others on the subject, posters have suggested that women should be encouraged to express their boundaries - in order to avoid those boundaries being violated. You've fought back against that, because, apparently, everyone should know in advance what those boundaries are. Yet here you've recommended the same for both a woman (in the subject line) and a man (presumably) in the body of the response. That's because you've properly, albeit accidentally, defaulted to the appropriate manner in which this should be dealt. It may not be human nature for you to touch other people without first obtaining permission, but it would appear that you're actually just posturing. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Original post)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 09:55 AM

stonecutter357 (12,459 posts)

49. #facknews !

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Original post)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:09 AM

EveHammond13 (2,855 posts)

59. HEY OP WHAT'S THE DATE ON THIS ARTICLE

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to EveHammond13 (Reply #59)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:10 AM

EveHammond13 (2,855 posts)

60. and you're posting it like it just happened. purposely hiding the date.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to EveHammond13 (Reply #60)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:12 AM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,337 posts)

63. I've been through that up there and I linked to the article.

So I don't know who I'm "hiding" the date. You can follow the link. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #63)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:13 AM

EveHammond13 (2,855 posts)

65. add the date to the top of your OP

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Response to EveHammond13 (Reply #65)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:15 AM

LexVegas (5,352 posts)

67. ...

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to LexVegas (Reply #67)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:16 AM

EveHammond13 (2,855 posts)

69. THIS ARTICLE IS A WEEK OLD since the OP refuses to post the date

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Response to EveHammond13 (Reply #69)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:17 AM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,337 posts)

72. GET THE TORCHES AND PITCHFORKS FOR THE GUY THAT LINKED TO THE ARTICLE

Take some breaths. It'll be OK. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #72)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:17 AM

EveHammond13 (2,855 posts)

74. ATTENTION ALL - POSTER LINKING TO AN OLD ARTICLE PRETENDING IT IS NEWS**********

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Response to EveHammond13 (Reply #74)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 03:44 PM

Lordquinton (7,886 posts)

149. Do you go through every post checking the date

and screaming about it, or just the ones you have a bias against? If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to EveHammond13 (Reply #69)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:17 AM

LexVegas (5,352 posts)

73. So?

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to EveHammond13 (Reply #65)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:16 AM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,337 posts)

70. No.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #70)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:32 AM

EveHammond13 (2,855 posts)

87. Ok. I'll be posting about Pete later.

If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to EveHammond13 (Reply #87)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:34 AM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,337 posts)

88. OK. Sounds great.

If you want to know that thing that bothers me most about him, it would be his comment about SJW when he was in college. Feel free to start a discussion about that if you want me to contribute. And, again, for the record, I linked to the original article and hid nothing about it. I gave full access to it in the OP. Had I not done that, you MIGHT have a point. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #88)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:39 AM

EveHammond13 (2,855 posts)

95. I'll leave it as a surprise I know you will enjoy!

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #88)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:40 AM

EveHammond13 (2,855 posts)

96. ,,

yeah your good faith is shown in your abusive smart-ass responses to me. lol. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to EveHammond13 (Reply #96)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:08 AM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,337 posts)

101. I'm not the one doing the all-caps shouting on this thread.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #101)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:39 AM

EveHammond13 (2,855 posts)

103. .

you're shit-stirring with an old article and trying to deny it If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to EveHammond13 (Reply #103)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:43 AM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,337 posts)

105. 1. It's like 5 days old. 2. I have not denied that.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #101)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:39 AM

EveHammond13 (2,855 posts)

104. my research for future posts is coming along well

two-way street so you have fun with your little game. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to EveHammond13 (Reply #104)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:45 AM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,337 posts)

106. At least you are admitting here that anything you post is not about the issue

but "getting back" at some perceived slight you have that I actually had the audacity to post a 5-day-old article about an important topic. I will say now that my response to you, if I even see your post and care enough to click on it, will be a link to this thread where you make your intent clear. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #106)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:49 AM

EveHammond13 (2,855 posts)

108. what were your words "well I linked to the original article"!!!!

wah. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to EveHammond13 (Reply #108)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:53 AM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,337 posts)

110. Because I did. Because I wasn't hiding anything about the article.

And I would never use four exclamation points (though you don't put that in quotation marks) because no self-respecting English teacher would. It's good that you have found a way to turn off the all caps, though. Nice job. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #110)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:54 AM

EveHammond13 (2,855 posts)

111. your replies eroded all good faith in your intentions. just give it up.

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Response to EveHammond13 (Reply #111)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 01:59 PM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,337 posts)

133. ....

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #133)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 02:28 PM

EveHammond13 (2,855 posts)

143. .

wow that black police chief story... If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to EveHammond13 (Reply #104)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 03:46 PM

Lordquinton (7,886 posts)

150. You're going all out

over an article that was written only 5 days ago. What's your actual beef here? If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to EveHammond13 (Reply #87)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:36 AM

LexVegas (5,352 posts)

90. ....

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Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:45 AM

EveHammond13 (2,855 posts)

98. .

added to ignore If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to EveHammond13 (Reply #98)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:47 AM

LexVegas (5,352 posts)

99. ...

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Response to EveHammond13 (Reply #59)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 12:16 PM

Autumn (42,312 posts)

115. Not the OP but when you click on the link the date is right on top.

POLITICS 04/05/2019 06:52 pm ET. Right under the Zulily ad and above the Me Too Founder Tarana Burke Calls Biden’s Response ‘Disrespectful And Inexcusable’ header. Can't miss it. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Autumn (Reply #115)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 02:49 PM

Go Vols (5,902 posts)

147. Yep

I have bread thats older than this article. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Go Vols (Reply #147)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 03:46 PM

Autumn (42,312 posts)

151. I've never seen a requirement that any article can only be posted once

or that they have a expiration date. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Original post)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:14 AM

LexVegas (5,352 posts)

66. Rec. nt

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Original post)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:19 AM

Drifter (4,751 posts)

77. Fuck you Tarana ...

You make a mockery of the me too movement by insinuating that the allegations against Biden are remotely similar to actual sexual assault. We have a president who openly bragged about his sexual predatory behavior. That's where your energy should be focused. Cheers Drifter If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Drifter (Reply #77)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:21 AM

EveHammond13 (2,855 posts)

78. +1000

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Response to Drifter (Reply #77)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:23 AM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,337 posts)

80. Tarana makes a mockery of her movement.

Interesting spin on that. I'm sure she will take your direction on how to do a social movement with the seriousness it deserves. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #80)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:24 AM

EveHammond13 (2,855 posts)

82. she's power crazed. she wants to be king-maker and build her personal brand.

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Response to EveHammond13 (Reply #82)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 04:52 PM

BannonsLiver (14,686 posts)

162. And make money. Lots and lots of money.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Original post)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:29 AM

guillaumeb (42,641 posts)

83. No matter that date of the article,

the behavior took place. And questioning the motives of the women who complained is, in my view, part of the problem. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #83)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:31 AM

EveHammond13 (2,855 posts)

85. zzzzzzzzzzz

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #83)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:32 AM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,337 posts)

86. Look at us agreeing about something. And I honestly just saw this today.

I would add questioning the timing, too. Which I get is part of the motive, but we don't have to have a specific timeline for people to speak their truth. I didn't see people on here asking why women waiting for a specific time to talk about Harvey W. Or Trump. Again, not comparing the actions as equitable, but people feel the strength to talk at different times. My job at that point is to listen and have empathy. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #86)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:37 AM

guillaumeb (42,641 posts)

93. And even if there was silence before now,

MeToo explains the why of the silence. When someone accuses a powerful figure, or many someones, the tendency of the public and the media is to assume bad intent on the part of the accuser(s). If anyone was a victim in the past, and they find the courage to speak now, they should be encouraged. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Original post)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:35 AM

jalan48 (13,529 posts)

89. Unfortunately, this issue is going to follow Biden as far as he goes in the

Presidential race, if he declares himself a candidate. It will effectively neuter any talk about Trump and his sexual behavior or at best turn the race into a discussion of sexual behavior, pushing other issues about Trump's actions as President into the background. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #89)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:36 AM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,337 posts)

92. The 33% (or whatever) of Trump's base will never care about his sexual behavior.

Others might. Having this discussion is never a bad thing. And neither I nor the article in the OP are saying Biden should be disqualified for this. Just that the discussion needs to happen. If I were to vote in a presidential primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #92)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 10:49 AM

jalan48 (13,529 posts)

100. I don't think having this discussion between Trump and Biden is a good idea.

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #100)

Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:57 AM

Cuthbert Allgood (4,337 posts)