Ok, so who is OFF your list?

[Baltimike]

Like "no way in hell" you will vote for them in a primary...

NOT THE GENERAL. So help me God I will vote for WHOEVER gets the Dem nod. But...

OFF my list...like NO FUCKING WAY. Non starter. Don't bother. No, my mind will not change:

Gabbard

Gilibrand

Teetering into 'no fucking way land'

Booker <<<------ needs to stop "Frankening" people

Sanders <<<<------- is not a Democrat, taxes, Russia. <<<<-----he needs to fix ALL THREE of these. Really.

Where are you all?

[LakeArenal]

1. Anyone involved with the Franken Railroad.

And Bernie is out for me. In last time. Out this time.
The ones I barely heard of.

But all of the candidates fair better than Dump.

[LongtimeAZDem]

2. Gabbard, Gilibrand, and Sanders for sure.

[we can do it]

7. Same here.

[Skidmore]

8. +1 nt

[katmondoo]

36. Me too, I agree

[LonePirate]

53. I will vote for whoever the Dem is in the General but I sure hope it is not one of those three.

[sakabatou]

55. Same

[Kahuna7]

63. That's my three. nt

[Demsrule86]

67. Same Here.

[susanna]

104. I find myself on this train. n/t

[dragonlady]

3. Agree with your first two n/t

[bhikkhu]

4. Nobody's off my list yet

Most are no where close to being off - it's a great field, really. Maybe Sanders would be the closest, as he's a little more "my way or the highway" than I like. Or his supporters are...but it's still early, and he's still right on the issues for me. Expecting taxes soon, and that should square an old problem.

[Polly Hennessey]

5. Gabbard, Gillibrand, Harris,

Warren, Booker, Sanders.

[LuvNewcastle]

29. Those are all off mine as well, in addition to Castro and Yang.

[LAS14]

31. Why Harris? nt

[LuvNewcastle]

34. I think she's too liberal for the general election.

She'll be cast as a San Francisco liberal elite....name your adjective. I really want to see someone from the middle of the country. We need to pick off some of those states to win, because FL has been trending red. We need Ohio, PA, MI, and WI. That's going to be the battleground this time, I think.

[LAS14]

30. Why Harris? nt

[comradebillyboy]

6. Sanders, Gabbard for starters.

I am unenthusiastic about some of the others but I just loathe Sanders and I find Gabbard to be, well I'm not supposed to disparage Democrats so I'll just leave it at that.

[stonecutter357]

9. BS and Kirsten Gillibrand !

[MrsCoffee]

10. Sanders. Tabbard. Ryan. Williamson. Gravel. Moulton is off my list before he even enters the race.

Also in the vote for whoever wins in the General boat.

But those folks are way off my primary list.

[pangaia]

87. I don;t even know who Ryan. Williamson. Gravel and Moulton are...

I better get up to speed.

[nevergiveup]

11. Biden, Sanders, Gabbard and Gilibrand

Although I would support any of them if they are the nominee. My favorite ticket at this point would be a Harris/Beto ticket although that could change tomorrow.

[Baltimike]

13. I feel the same way about that...I change my fave each day

Harris had me for a minute, but TBT, I long for Hillary.

[notdarkyet]

27. Same list for me.

[elleng]

12. No one, may wait till the General, AND

near debate-time, may finally contribute to those who need more numbers in order to participate.

[LAS14]

14. Gillibrand, Sanders, Warren, Biden

Gillibrand - Caught her on CNN last night. Had never heard her at length. Was NOT impressed. No depth that I could detect.

Sanders - too extreme for the general election and too old (I speak from experience)

Warren - same (although I REALLY, REALLY like her positions.... more thought out than Sanders. I hope she gets appointed to some cabinet post.

Biden - too old (again, speaking from experience). But not just the fact. The idea that he would pledge to only one term suggests a less than up-to-snuff presidency.

[LexVegas]

15. Biden. nt

[Hortensis]

16. Sanders, Gabbard, Gillebrand,

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that Ryan creep.

When listing Sanders' negatives, we need to remember that, with an eye to disappointed trumpster fallaways, he is trying to draw substantially more of the socially/religiously conservative populists he did in 2016.

He will have to give them more than just rhetoric and more than just not trying to draw in significant numbers of minorities. They're conservative on cultural issues even if displeased by Republican economics, and he'll have to satisfy them or they'll migrate that short distance back to Trump and other Republicans, who'll also be promising them healthcare, etc.









Millions did, and have been disappointed, but try, try again? The "#Demexit" passion among those disappointed in Sanders for finally conceding the nomination a month after he lost may have not lasted long after that in the media, but millions of deluded followers did "honor" their dishonorable pledges to abandon the Democratic Party altogether. We know almost a full quarter of Sanders' followers voted Republican (12%) or third party. Not all were populists, some were left-wing zealots, but all loudly spouted trumpster-level lies about Democrats. 2% refused to vote altogether.

We're already seeing this kind of behavior again, and it could be bigger this time. Sanders, and Russia and the Republicans, has been trying to build on 2016 since 2016.

[oasis]

25. "Demexit"? They never were solid Democrats. IIRC, Sanders' campaign

claimed that swarms of "new" Democrats registered because they "felt the Bern".

[Hortensis]

43. :) No, those weren't "solid Democrats." That's the point.

Sanders then and now is pulling both from within the party and also more of the same types of outsiders hostile to the Democratic Party. They have no intention of voting for whoever the Democratic nominee will be this time either. Both populists and left-wing ideologues are barn-burners, not consensus builders.

Fasten your seatbelts. Even though this time the press isn't going to be burying who and what he and they are so completely, it's going to be a bumpy ride.

Amaf, I also think I can see Russia from where I'm sitting. Yes, there they are. Right in front of me.

[WeekiWater]

17. Yang, Delaney, Sanders, Gabbard, Biden, Ryan. NT

[W_HAMILTON]

18. Sanders, Gabbard, Gillibrand.

[Freddie]

77. Yes precisely those 3.

Particularly the one that isn’t a Democrat.

[cwydro]

19. Sanders, Gillibrand, Gabbard, Beto. nt

[helpisontheway]

20. Can't stand Sanders or Gillibrand...nt

[Funtatlaguy]

21. Not eliminating until at least two debates of all candidates

Want to give them all a fair hearing.
My overriding concern and question is this: Who can beat Trump by a large enuf margin to have strong enuf coattails to flip the Senate.

I hope to narrow down my favorites to 5 after the first two debates.
Then, maybe to 3 by Labor Day.
Then, will pick one to root for right before Iowa and NH.

[Kaleva]

33. You have a good plan!

[DeeDeeNY]

69. Yours is the most intelligent answer

i agree!!

[Funtatlaguy]

70. Thanks 🤝

[BlueFlorida]

22. Sanders and Gabbard nt

[k8conant]

23. Gravel, Gillibrand, Hickenlooper, Delaney, Gabbard, Williamson

and ????

[MH1]

24. Sanders, Gabbard, Williamson, Gravel

probably some of the others that I'm not thinking of at the moment. But really, my focus is on who I do want to support. Not finding that easy to solve at the moment.

Like you I'll vote for the Dem nominee in the general. I don't think it's likely to be any of the 4 I listed.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

26. Gabbard, Gillibrand, Bernie, all the vanity candidates like Williamson and Yang.

[beachbum bob]

28. gillibrand 100% off with the franken episode, she was wrong and all those who supported her too...

[Kaleva]

32. Nobody's on my "Off" list but I'm only voting for Kamala

If she has dropped out before the scheduled March 10, 2020 primary election in Michigan, I'll select another candidate to vote for.

[Scoopster]

35. Off my list? Hmm...

Sanders (pretend Dem, lying huckster, authoritarian populist just like DT)
Gillibrand (cheerleader for the Franken nonsense)
Gabbard (DINO, fraud)
Williamson (Just no)
Yang (he gives off DT vibes too)
Ryan (DINO)
Gravel (not even a serious candidate)

I'm also not inclined to choose Warren because I think she's a MUCH better legislator and/or policy wonk, and I fear that the office of President would force her to compromise on her morals, which are the best thing about her.

[George II]

41. A good, honest assessment of your feelings about these candidates. You still have a lot...

...of good choices remaining.

[redstatebluegirl]

37. Gabbard, Gilibrand and Sanders

[Trumpocalypse]

38. No one.

The NY primary is over a year away. I have no idea now who the front runners will be at that time so not going to decide until then. It is long way to Iowa and New Hampshire so it is foolish to discount anyone until then.

As liberals/progressives we should all keep an open mind about all the candidates and judge them on the basis of their full record, not just one little pet issue.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

39. I like Kamala, Pete, Eric, and Joe......

Not exactly in that order. They are all good.

OFF my list......Hickenlooper, Gabbard, and Guillebrand.

[demmiblue]

40. ON my list: Warren, Harris, Buttigieg, Swalwell n/t

[brush]

44. I'm with you on all but Booker. I would add Ryan, Sanders and Buttigieg.

Ryan because he's a centrist who tried to scuttle Pelosi; Sanders because we've been there and done that with the divisiveness and non-loyalty to the party; and Buttigieg as too much of a long shot with just small town and no national experience compared to our leading candidates and potential negatives with a big segment of the party base.

[fleabiscuit]

45. I've narrowed it down to only brunettes. nt

[flotsam]

46. Gillibrand, Gabbard

and any wandering billionaires...

[Fiendish Thingy]

47. It's easier to list who is ON my list

As it’s much shorter:

Harris
Mayor Pete
Warren
Sanders
Inslee

On the fence:
Beto
Klobuchar
Swalwell

The rest, fuggedaboudit...

[Meowmee]

48. Biden is on my list

And that is it for now. I like some others but so far he seems like the only one who can win.

[Indygram]

49. Sanders and Gabbard are no goes for me

There are so many great candidates to choose from. I'm really tired of hearing about Sanders to be honest. While he has some fiercely loyal supporters he also has the highest and most firm negatives. He's also too extreme to beat Trump because moderate Independents and swing voters are not going to vote for him. My biggest fear is that many will stay home and Democrats will lose down ticket if Bernie is the nominee. What's especially frustrating at this forum is that threads about him takes up all the oxygen here and other great candidates get ignored because one group is always trying to push him onto everyone else and those who can't stand him respond negatively. I'm on the verge of trying to configure settings so I just don't see those threads about him anymore. I want to discuss the Democratic candidates. Seeing all these threads about him actually make me like him even less than I already do. I've been lurking long enough to know you can filter things. Anyone want to tell me how I would go about tuning out Bernie threads so I can more easily find threads about Democratic candidates?

[ehrnst]

51. Sanders, Gabbard, Yang, Hickenlooper. (nt)

[Maru Kitteh]

52. Sanders-Gabbard.

Absolutely no way in HELL I would vote for either of these persons in the primary because I firmly believe nominating either would hand Trump the country on a silver platter. Trump must be crushed, anything less will truly herald the end of this republic.

[Wabbajack_]

54. Anyone who is against all Americans being provided with healthcare

[doc03]

56. Gilibrand Sanders for sure. nt

[50 Shades Of Blue]

57. +1, with the addition of Hickenlooper

[Gothmog]

58. Sanders, Yang, Gabbard and Gillibrand

[IrishEyes]

60. In no particular order: Beto, Sanders, Gravel, Yang, Williamson and Gabbard

Of the 19 (at the moment) candidates for the democratic nomination, those 6 are at the bottom of my list right now. I will keep an open mind during the debates but I don't see myself voting for them in the primaries. Of course, I will vote in the general election for whichever democrat wins the primary.

[Irishxs]

61. Ones ON the list is shorter. Warren or Harris. Either can handle trump.

[rogerashton]

62. Sanders

I supported him last time around, but I think his candidacy this time is no longer useful and I'm getting a whiff of narcissism -- common enough among politicians but why else is he running this time? But I'm not comfortable with the anti-Bernie mob either.

Gillibrand -- not quite off my list. The Franken thing was unavoidable given the time and place, though it left a bad taste in my mouth -- but on the other side she has shown some ability to get stuff done.

Otherwise, I'm listening.

[Tipperary]

64. Sanders, Gillibrand, Gabbard.

None of those were ever on my list.

[Celerity]

65. Bernie, Biden, Bloomberg, Tulsi, Delaney, Williamson, Hickenlooper (due to pushing fracking)

bonus

FUCK Howard Schultz

[DAMANgoldberg]

66. I have a list

Gillibrand
Gabbard
Sanders

There could be others, but those come immediately to mind

Also anyone, not a Democrat (Schultz, Kasich, Haley, even Weld).

[Generic Brad]

68. Gabbard

I'm open to anyone else.

[Cobalt Violet]

71. Eric Swalwell

[LAS14]

75. How come? nt

[Amimnoch]

72. Bernie Sanders. Anyone but him. -nt.

[Apple Fritter]

73. No 1%

No zuckerbergs, Bill Gateses, Bloombergs, or literal bags of money. NooooOooo thanks I've had my fill.

[themaguffin]

74. Gabbard is a non-starter. I think the hatred of Gillibrand is irrational, but she is

likely going nowhere because of the crowded field.

I will be really concerned if Sanders is the nominee, for a variety of reasons.

[kimbutgar]

76. I'm will you 100% on your no way list.

[IamFortunesFool]

78. Easier to post who I WILL/WOULD support in the primaries because the list is shorter

In no particular order these have my support:

-Harris
-Biden
-Buttegeig
-Inslee
-Warren

Of those 5, I've only donated to 3...

[Persondem]

92. I agree with your take on this question

In the primary I will consider Harris, Biden, Klobuchar and, of course my #1 candidate, Governor Jay Inslee.

All of the others I see as having serious problems (Sanders, Gillibrand, Hickenlooper) or no chance at all of beating Twitler (the rest).

[IamFortunesFool]

96. Inslee is one of my top three that I have donated to.

My girlfriend lives across the state line and I had her donate, too, in an effort to get him qualified for the debates.

[Persondem]

98. Thank you for the support.

I would really like to see Inslee make the debates.

[FBaggins]

79. Avenatti

There are a couple newcomers who aren't ON my list yet, but I won't rule them out.

[Baltimike]

80. Avenatti is off my list as well, but I have a begrudging gratitude for him

maybe it took one to know one, but we would not have nearly as much info as we do without his take down of Michael Cohen.

I wish it were better news on the other fronts, but sadly, it might not be so.

[DasMadchen]

81. Any old, white man...

They've had their chance - I'm done with 'em...

[Devil Child]

82. I don't get these types of threads

As they seem to foster needless resentment or division. I really don't care why one chooses to not vote for a candidate in the primary and more interested in reasons they choose to support their preferred candidate.

YMMV and I wish your preferred candidate the best of luck and success.

[Baltimike]

83. Thank you for your concern. nt

[Devil Child]

84. Anytime!

Take care Baltimike!

[NastyRiffraff]

85. Sanders and Gabbard for sure

and probably Gilibrand. But the top two sicken me.

[radical noodle]

86. That's easy

My no-way-in-hell list:
Sanders
Gabbard
Williamson
Yang
Tim Ryan

There are several on my probably not list too:
Gillibrand
Inslee
Delaney
Hickenlooper

Edited to add: Tim Ryan

[LAS14]

91. Why Inslee? nt

[radical noodle]

94. I'm saying probably not on him

because I thought he seemed a bit too bland. I've not ruled him out entirely. Maybe if I see more of him, I'll start to like him better.

[BeyondGeography]

88. Harris

Weakest in the blue wall where we need to be strongest.

[rogue emissary]

89. Ryan for his history on guns.

Gravel for his view on Assange's arrest.

[hlthe2b]

90. I shall not seek and I will not accept the nomination of my party for President...

Not even if begged, so, I am off my list.

(Also Gabbard and maybe a few others).

[KayF]

93. Undecided

fuck Undecided!

[tiredtoo]

95. these three so far

Gillibrand
Beto
Pete the mayor

[USALiberal]

97. Bernie, Gillibrand. nt

[airplaneman]

99. I am looking forward to the debates.

Cory Booker is off for me because he voted against importing Canadian drugs because: they are just too dangerous. This was a deal killer for me - I don't trust he cares enough to fix our health problems or is at least in bed with the Pharm industry.

I personally believe you vote for whoever seems to match your ideals in the primary and then back the Democrat in the General.

-Airplane

[Cha]

100. For a LONG TIME NOW..

BS & Gabbard.. Don't pay any attention to Gillibrand, Yang, Hickenlooper.

I like Gov Inslee.. I hope he gets in to the debates.

[catbyte]

101. Gabbard, Gillibrand & Sanders

[DarthDem]

102. Of the So-Called "Serious" Candidates -

Sanders and Gabbard. No way, no how.

[CentralMass]

103. Your Sanders Russia bs earns you an ignore .

[chillfactor]

105. gabbard and gillbrand and sanders......

are off my list......have been since they all declared their intensions to run for the presidency.

[ihaveaquestion]

106. Biden nt

[mac56]

107. Gillibrand

That is all, right now.

[artislife]

108. Off my list

Biden--Anita, financial votes, war votes, hair sniffer. Though he is very enjoyable as a late night show guest.

Beto--one inspirational speech after losing isn't enough


Williamson --because we can't woo woo our way out of all our problems


Gabbard---very good and very bad


on:
Sanders
Inslee
Warren
Harris

Harris because I would love a woman of color to lead this country. She has every day experience in fighting through the shitstorm in this country. I could overlook some of her stands on issues because of what it takes to be her. ( I am a brown woman, and I know I have it easier) The other three because they are about climate and the issues facing the people who are just scraping by.