I always try to find the positive in all our candidates.. but I am finally done

[Peacetrain]

I am done done done.. I can find nothing positive about what the Sanders campaign is doing right now. Done.. Stick a fork in it.

He is going to lose and lose big today.

I hope he understands, that this loss is one of his own making.

[redstatebluegirl]

1. I got there at the 2016 convention.

I could not believe what I was seeing and then looking up and seeing BS smirking while they were doing it did me in.

[Peacetrain]

4. I have been trying to give him credit by saying he needs to gather control of his hires

But I have reached a point of no return. He hired them.. He wants this division. Oh Lord I remember the convention and the attacks on our leaders.

I have had it.. I have no more patience

I wish I could be more like Joe.. but I have gone down the road as far as I can go

[redstatebluegirl]

6. Yea, I'm not "going high" anymore sorry Michelle, I love you but this is it.

[NurseJackie]

26. I know. I agree. "Going high" only makes it easier for them to continue to go low!

My new philosophy is "when someone hits us, we need to hit back TEN TIMES HARDER".

[joost5]

54. His VEEP should play that role.

(She) should go for the throat while Biden should stay "high" and inspirational, unifying. Drumpf & his band of criminals aren't going quietly, will not play fair, will stop at nothing maintain power. We need VEEP on down to use every method possible to oust them.

[NurseJackie]

55. That sounds like a good strategy to me!

[CaptYossarian]

59. Don't worry.

Pence couldn't win a debate against a plastic straw.

[brush]

69. Have to say Harris would be perfect for that attack dog role.

[Kahuna7]

34. Same. nt

[calimary]

68. That was so incredibly disgusting to me!

I can’t get past it. It discolored my view of him permanently.

One always searches for the “good sport thing” in a case like this. We sure saw it from Amy Klobuchar, Mayor Pete, Beto, Cory Booker, and now, Kamala Harris. Good sports, graciousness, being considerate of their colleagues, the prevailing competitor, and the voters. Kamala’s courtesy toward Warren, not endorsing til the last woman stepped out of the ring, says a lot about her as a person. A lot good.

That’s something we did NOT see from Bernie for half the summer of 2016. They fought all the way to the end of primary season when Hillary decisively clinched the nomination by the numbers. THAT was the time to step up and join her fight. But he STILL wouldn’t give up. He sat things out all the way from the end of primary season to AFTER nomination night. He could have been a MIGHTY force for unity.

Hillary was exactly that, immediately after Obama clinched the nomination by the numbers at the end of the 2008 primary season. She immediately shifted gears to campaigning FOR a former rival, and that probably made a difference in November of that year. She went for unity - of Party, for Country. Bernie on the other hand stuck to pouting and holding out for magical hoards of voters who really never existed. She could have used his help, cementing party unity leading up to the convention instead of having to face a wall of division that rightfully and logically should have given way, but refused to do so.

She tore that wall down in 2008. He kept the wall up long past its sell-by date in 2016.

I hope TO GOD he doesn’t try that stunt again this year.

[PatSeg]

73. I'll never forget when the cameras turned on him

during the convention and it was so disappointing. We see politicians all the time lose with grace and dignity. Its hard, but that's what principled people do.

Sanders has been his own worst enemy. He could have saved face, but now this is how he will be remembered.

[barbtries]

80. me too.

i wish i could take back my vote for him in 2016.
by now i despise looking at him and listening to him.
i will say though, i think there is a troll farm working on the BS that his supporters are spreading on twitter at least, if not elsewhere. Jill Stein started showing up at the top of my thread a couple days ago talking about Joe Biden's supposed dementia (hello? Anyone looked at trump lately?!). I blocked her and am not the only one.

i'm having a really hard time figuring out who thinks this shit will help Sanders's campaign. It's sinking it imo. So I'm at a loss trying to figure where it's coming from. I think russia is a likely candidate. So maybe it worked so well for trump in 2016, russia thinks they can swing the Democratic election with the same shit?

On the other hand there's Shaun King (blocked now), Robert Reich, etc, basically trying to command others to vote for bernie by patronizing and fearmongering.

i don't know. i hope joe blows him out of the water today.

[dansolo]

85. The goal isn't to help Bernie

They want to take down Joe, by increasing his unfavorables. Either they are really working on behalf of Trump, or they are spoiled brats who think that if Bernie can't be the nominee, then they will work to undermine Biden so he loses.

[barbtries]

86. that's crazy.

it's so hard for me to believe that anyone who claims to be a progressive would not agree that ANY person is better than trump.
i do think that russia is in this up to its neck.

[Codeine]

103. I started that campaign with a very high opinion of Bernie

and came out of it with a very, very different take on the man and his people.

[William769]

2. Agree 100%

[Peacetrain]

5. Thanks!!

[Zoonart]

3. Berners already saying they will stay home or

write in BS.

[Peacetrain]

10. I don't doubt it a moment anymore...

I know not all Sanders supporters are ready to do the Trump business and smear Biden.. but those that are ready to do that, are no friends of Democrats, Liberals, Progressives.. I do not even know what you would call Sirota?

[Cradle of Liberty]

36. Joe is...

hardly a progressive. 70% of this country wants Medicare for All...70%!!! and Joe thinks it's too radical. So I don't think opposing Joe is unfriendly to the progressive movement.
I will never stay home on election day... but as I suspect (not proven, I just suspect) the established leaders of the Democratic Party have joined forces to prefer one candidate over the other. That is NOT their role as the DNC. Thinking minds don't like to be told who to vote for. Anyway, Go Bernie - or Go Joe ... either way we know the priority... get rid of the total mess Trump and his minions have created. I really can't believe we have survived this long.

[Peacetrain]

45. Oh sure..uh huh..ummm huh.. yeah sure.

[George II]

47. Wrong - 70% wants a form of universal healthcare. To say they want "Medicare for All" is false.

[pazzyanne]

53. +1 nt

[ehrnst]

88. +1

[ashredux]

49. You are wrong...Joe wants everyone insured.

But Bernie’s plan isn’t the way to do it.

You cannot just take an axe to the insurance business and chop it to bits.

There must be a transition, and taking all private insurance from people isn’t going to ever ge into law.

[The Mouth]

75. Sure you can, and should

The medical insurance field deserves no more consideration, respect, or mercy than the system of slavery did after the civil war or the Axis concentration camps did after the second world war; the most consideration that should be given to anyone involved in profiting off the the denial or restriction of medical care to another human is that *maybe* they are only inadvertently evil and *might* be re educable

[fleabiscuit]

79. A bit hyperbolic IMHO. nt

[The Mouth]

81. If their job includes the function

of denying medical care to another human being, then I hope they're hung by the neck after a trial at the Hague

[ashredux]

52. People are voting. Bernie is losing. No conspiracy...just democracy

[showblue22]

72. Voters are voting for Joe.

The DNC can not magically get mass people to the polls over night. If they could there would be no republicans. Wave a wand and boom! Thousands of voters willing to stand in line for hours to vote for Joe at the urging of the DNC. C'mom man!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

76. Right...

So why is Bernie getting his ass handed to him? Maybe Democratic voters (actual people, not some mythical “establishment”) aren’t buying what he’s selling.

[barbtries]

82. no.

more people consider Biden the better choice. that is why he has won more votes and gained more endorsements. there's no thumb on the scale, the people are making their choice.

[emmaverybo]

84. That's not the point.

[BonnieJW]

78. a lot of his base are young

And while they show up at the rallies and campaign for him, they don't show up to vote. So any of them saying they will stay at home is no loss.

[JaneQPublic]

15. Probably stay home, since they didn't even show up for Bernie in the primaries.

Even Bernie was interviewed saying he was disappointed that youth turnout was much lower than he was counting on.

It talked to a few young Bernie supporters on Twitter. They claimed they were the victim of voter suppression... at college campuses... in California.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/powerup/2020/03/05/powerup-young-voters-are-turning-out-in-lower-numbers-than-bernie-sanders-expected/5e6018d6602ff10d49ac2c83/

[TexasTowelie]

16. There are some states that if the voter indicates a write-in,

then the entire ballot is tossed. In other states, they don't tabulate the write-in candidates. In essence, they are wasting their time with such tactics. It may be more worthwhile to just leave the presidential race blank.

[Ace Rothstein]

25. The ones saying that will never vote for a Dem unless Sanders is the nominee.

There is no reason to fret over them as if they are a lost vote. They aren't the majority of Sanders voters either.

[Turin_C3PO]

7. I can find the positive

in his ideas. But he and some of his supporters have really screwed up in pursuit of those goals. Many of his surrogates becoming very nasty. Like I’ve said in several other threads, I know several Sanders fans, mom included, and they’re all solid Democrats ready to get behind Biden. They’re nothing like the toxic social media fans.

[Peacetrain]

13. I agree with you totally, many supporters are good solid people..

I have just reached a point of no return with the Sanders hires, and those who would do anything to destroy the Democratic party.

[JaneQPublic]

21. Unfortunately, some are toxic in public, not just social media.

A bunch shouted down Joe at one of his rallies, and when his aide Symone Sanders went to usher them out, they hit her in the head with an iPad and knocked her down.

Link to tweet

?s=20

[Turin_C3PO]

23. Yes, I'm aware of those types.

I still hold that they’re a minority of his supporters.

[Demsrule86]

40. The higher ups in his campaign are retweeting GOP shit...sorry. It is from the top down.

[Turin_C3PO]

41. Oh yeah, I agree it's coming from the top.

I just don’t believe a majority of his actual supporters are like the Bernie Bros. My mom and a few friends are Bernie people and all of them have no problem getting behind Biden when the time comes.

[Demsrule86]

65. The supporters here are not like that...and those JPR types won't vote for any Democrat...I think

some are GOP trolls...and of course who the hell knows who the twitter folks really are...so I think you are right. The majority will vote for the Democratic nominee to get rid of Trump.

[Turin_C3PO]

66. JPR is just awful.

What’s sad is that a few were long time DUers who I used to respect. Then they caught the crazy virus and turned into caricatures of themselves.

[BigOleDummy]

56. I've said elsewhere

And believe it to my core that if Mr. Sanders wanted this kind of thing to stop, he would address it. He hasn't and won't. I agree with most of his policies by the way. But the Bernie Bros and his OWN staff are losing this nomination for him. I'm beginning to think that it was a mistake to let him run in the Democratic primary period. Yes, I know the argument's for him being in but his negatives are really starting to skyrocket. Way too many of his supporters , not all, but too many will be sitting out/throwing away their ballots anyway if he's not the nominee. Why should the Democratic party put up with this?

[hlthe2b]

8. Honestly... It feels as though Bernie (and surrogates) decided a "scorched earth" strategy

was their best option at this point. It confounds me.

[MontanaFarmer]

18. They did, and here's the reason, in my opinion.

They had NO plan for a consolidated race. Their plan, in my view, was to rely on the large field staying in the race, getting to a large plurality of delegates heading in to the convention, and daring the party establishment to take it from them. Sanders and his team of crackpot hires never had a strategy for broadening his base. He can't be ideologically flexible at all; it's simply not in his nature and the basis of a "revolution" can never be compromise, in the mind of the revolutionary. Now, he's completely toast, his window is nearly completely closed, and his people are lashing out. It's disgusting. I hope Joe can end this bullshit by next Tuesday so we have time to heal whatever rifts are able to be healed within the party.

[Docreed2003]

67. You're exactly right

I think their plan all along was to eek out a plurality from a divided field, why else would they have been pushing that meme right after Nevada? Now that the field has consolidated largely behind Biden they have nothing left other than to burn as many bridges as possible.

I hope today puts the whole thing out of reach for Sanders. We need to unify and not drag this out unnecessarily in a repeat of '16.

[c-rational]

9. Agreed.

[samnsara]

11. i want this primary to end today so we can get on with the business of beating trump*

.......as long as we are beating up on each other, trump* goes about his day of destroying us

[Dennis Donovan]

12. I feel the same way. His OFFICIAL subordinates are accusing Biden of having cognitive issues

...not just his online followers (which could be Russian trolls).

That sucks hard. I supported Sanders in 2016 up until the convention. What his OFFICIAL staff is doing now is awful.

[Peacetrain]

14. I am so livid, I do not even know where to start.

I always want to see the best.. and all I ever get from the Sanders campaign is the worst.. I have had it..

[Dennis Donovan]

31. Is it a portent of what kind of people will be in his cabinet?

It breaks my heart in a way, because I agree wholeheartedly with Bernie when it comes to health care and redistribution of wealth. But, screw it if his subordinates think this is the way to win.

[DesertRat]

43. +1

[dalton99a]

19. +1. It is officially sanctioned or tolerated

By all accounts, Sanders knows what's being said and what's going on

[Dennis Donovan]

33. It might not matter after today

I hope Joe wins decisively and puts an end to this nonsense.

Enough!

[subana]

37. yeah, right...

...like Bernie doesn't have any cognitive issues? That makes zero sense! Bernie didn't even know when Bloomberg got out of the race!

[Cha]

98. And, not surprising.

[OnDoutside]

17. For sure, it is of his own making, not to have made any inroads with Black voters in 4 years, says

so much.

A couple of months ago I said here that if Bernie wasn't to win, I hoped he would finish at least 3rd because we would see the same nonsense that we saw in 2016. The only other hope now is that he loses badly in the other primaries so there's no road for the whinging to go down (not that it will stop some).

[Peacetrain]

20. I just want to say.. "What the hell??"

I do not understand what they are even trying to do anymore.

[OnDoutside]

39. It's all about ideological purity, where it's their way or nothing, and that goes as far as going

for the enemy of their enemy.

[corbettkroehler]

22. Proof From Last Night's Fox Town Hall

His prospects in Michigan are zero, I tell you, zero!

[Demsrule86]

30. I hope so...he has no path today or tomorrow...the best thing he could do as a patriot as get

out of the primary. We need to start working on beat Trump...not have someone mirroring Trump's attacks which Sanders is doing. The delegate count is not going to work out for Bernie...I looked at the primaries left...no big wins. He is finished.

[Dennis Donovan]

35. "Fox News Audience Agrees With Bernie"

Really?? That's your defense of him?

[subana]

42. haha...I was thinking the same thing!

I hope Biden wins Michigan, Mississippi & Washington today!

[Demsrule86]

24. I know what you mean...I can't even watch him anymore. He comes on I turn the TV off...

my hubs can't either...He is desperate and the attacks are ridiculous. He said Biden's speeches are to short...well Sander is the same for ever I can almost recite it. K&R

[Peacetrain]

28. Yes.. word for word..

[Demsrule86]

32. Our candidate is getting beaten up by Sanders on the left and Trump on the right...very very bad

for us...not that Sanders would care IMHO.

[littlemissmartypants]

60. It's because they aren't really speeches, it's sloganeering. ❤ nt

[Demsrule86]

63. Same old same everytime...I can recite it...now of course he has added smarmy attacks on Joe Biden

to his endless rhetoric.

[IronLionZion]

27. I'll take condescending boomers over deplorable bros any day

the worst Bernie supporters are way worse than the worst Biden supporters. Some of it may be Russian trolls, but many are all-American idiots crossing the line way too many times.

[quickesst]

29. I have said this....

.... For the last two elections, and Bernie Sanders always proves me correct. He has never been, is not now, and never will be..... a Democrat.

[dalton99a]

38. It is a Bernie party getting a free ride on the backs of Democrats

[quickesst]

90. Yep....

I'm ready to shed that burden. Hopefully, very soon.

[lark]

44. I hate the lyingly edited ads Sanders is running non-stop against Biden in FL.

I must have seen the stinking thing at least 5 times yesterday and I only watched about 2 hours of tv total. Sanders should be ashamed of himself.

[dalton99a]

46. "I'm Bernie and I approve this message"

He's fine with it

[Peacetrain]

48. There is no excuse. If he does not know what his hires are doing..then he is totally inept

and is in no way shape form or fashion ready for the Presidency.. if he is that clueless... and if he is not... then its even worse..

[TommyCelt]

50. I am still concerned...

... that BS will run independently. Securing the election for trump.

[Unca Jim]

51. Yep.

Every time I have to listen to the "Sanders people are bug meanies" stuff, I can mentally come up with so many examples of other supporters exhibiting the exact same behavior they pearl clutch about.

I will vote for Biden, but a great pile of people won't.

I hope we can pull it out with Biden, unlike with the last seven moderates.

[showblue22]

70. If they can't or won't turn out for Bernie now...

They sure as hell won't in a GE.

[marble falls]

57. I blame the overly exuberent supporters he's drawn. I hope he stays in the Senate.

[Politicub]

58. Bernie has started running ads in the Atlanta market

He's using an old clip of Biden out of context where he is discussing social security, medicare, etc.

It's a cheap shot, and Bernie knows better. It's a turnoff.

He's hurting the democratic cause, and isn't taking on Trump. Biden, on the other hand, is attacking Trumpism and that caustic political environment that has taken root.

[cab67]

61. He appears to have learned the wrong lesson from 2016.

He saw that his base was very loyal. So was Trump's. He appears to have thus reasoned that, with that base, he could make a case for a brokered convention. He therefore didn't see the need to stay in the Democratic Party and expand his base (or at least not antagonize Democrats).

He failed to learn other lessons:

- some of his loyal followers are very poor representatives.

- Other people would also learn from 2016. Trump did well in large part because the Republican pool remained divided after Super Tuesday. Democrats saw that and learned to consolidate as soon as possible.

[mahannah]

62. Try harder.

[CaptainTruth]

64. Me too, sadly. I used to like him, I even voted for him in 2016, but he's driven me away.

And I want to make it clear that when I say "he drove me away" I'm not talking about the people in his campaign or any of his supporters, I'm talking about his own words, like refusing to explain how he would pay for his plans in interviews, & statements made on his own official Twitter account, repeatedly attacking Democrats & the Democratic party, which are allegedly his own words. (It's his official Twitter account with his name & face on it, so I take the statements to be his words.)

[dalton99a]

71. He attacks Democrats in his speeches and on national TV, not just on Twitter

[apnu]

83. This is me also

I was in for Bernie in 2016, then him and his crowd disgusted me with their antics as that primary and the G.E. wore on. My tipping point was his "I'm a democratic party member from now on" statement where he was clearly holding his nose saying it. Didn't exactly prove to me he cared. Then he bolted as soon as he could, now he wants to be back and lead us. Nope, that's too much flip flopping for me to take and shows he really can't stick it out when things get rough.

As leader of the Democratic Party, he has to lead both his 'revolutionaries' and the rank-and-file that he trashes as the "establishment" on a daily basis. I don't see him doing that, I don't even see him caring about the rank-and-file at all.

I was done with Bernie before this campaign started. I've watched him hoping to see him change, but he's not changing. My door has been open to every other candidate (well not Tulsi), and I was willing to let Sanders win me back, but he hasn't even tried. His is the same failed thing as 2016. He's shown he doesn't learn from his mistakes. That's bad leadership.

I was for Warren and I'm sad she's out. But Bernie is a hard no for me at this point in the primaries. I'm voting for Joe when my state is up for voting later this month. I'm done.

In a little bit, I'm switching my pick to Biden. As I write this, it is "undecided" where before it was Warren.

If by some miracle Bernie does win the nomination, I will vote for him in the G.E. and I won't even blink doing it. I won't say bad things about him, I pledged to be good, but my donations will be for down ticket races.

[aikoaiko]

74. This is still way better than 2016.

[SunSeeker]

77. K & R

[LizBeth]

87. He can't call us ugly and then expect us to vote for him.

[Happy Hoosier]

89. Good riddence.

He's caused so much damage. And that will be how he is remembered, sadly.

[Cha]

91. Amen and Hallelujah, Peacetrain!

Mahalo!!!

[Peacetrain]

95. I am so tired of the attacks on the person, .. policy be damned

Sanders keeps hiring these jackasses.. so it is on him for that..

Mahalo!!! Cha

[NurseJackie]

92. Well... I hope I was able to contribute a little...

I hope he understands, that this loss is one of his own making.

Well... I hope I was able to contribute a little, because the candidate that I support is about to blow the BS campaign out of the water.

[Peacetrain]

94. Amen to that!!!

[BidenBacker]

93. Is it just me

or is this HHS guy Azar the very definition of a condescending dick?

[jimlup]

96. Well I'm done with you too

sore winner is what I guess you are?

[showblue22]

97. We've been through 4 yrs of Bernie beating up on democrats.

Let us have this moment.

[jimlup]

100. No it has been the reverse...

but now - guess what? It is time to make up and be friends because the Orange Monster is a bigger problem.

You need us and we will be there. We may not be totally happy. You may hate us again later and the converse but now is no longer the time.

[showblue22]

101. Bernie thinks he's still in the fight so...

[jimlup]

102. Don't care

I'm not. Today I'm all Joe. I'm thinking of changing my preference. Your side is still wrong about policy but we have a bigger mutual problem right now.

[Peacetrain]

99. Who are you???