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Tue Mar 10, 2020, 05:47 PM

 

friendships and politics

I didn't lose many friendships after the 2016 election. My circle of friends doesn't include many conservatives, and the conservatives I count as friends are generally of the more rational variety who have no use for Trump.

But I seem to be losing friendships over this year's primary.

Many of my friends like and support Bernie Sanders. That's not usually a problem, but a handful have gone from Sanders supporter to Sanders cult follower. They've accused me on Facebook of blindness and stupidity for not seeing things exactly as they see them, of being a DNC operative, and of not being a True Progressive.

I'm very progressive. But I'm also a realist.

When, during an argument, I pointed out that equating Biden with Trump is like saying that because Mars and Pluto are both further from the sun than you, they're in the same orbit. The person I was arguing with said a comparison between Hitler and Francisco Franco would be more accurate. I stopped the argument at that point; there's no point holding a discussion with such a person.

I've been voting in presidential elections since 1988. I've never encountered anything like this. The whole "my candidate or no candidate" attitude strikes me as unhealthy.

Anyone else experiencing this?

Added on edit - this isn't happening to me very often, but that it's happening at all is disturbing enough.
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cab67 Mar 2020 OP
mountain grammy Mar 2020 #1
nolawarlock Mar 2020 #6
mountain grammy Mar 2020 #7
tritsofme Mar 2020 #8
mountain grammy Mar 2020 #9
Post removed Mar 2020 #17
Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #30
nolawarlock Mar 2020 #36
RandiFan1290 Mar 2020 #41
nolawarlock Mar 2020 #16
nolawarlock Mar 2020 #15
yardwork Mar 2020 #22
PatSeg Mar 2020 #2
mountain grammy Mar 2020 #10
PatSeg Mar 2020 #11
mountain grammy Mar 2020 #14
betsuni Mar 2020 #19
PatSeg Mar 2020 #20
mountain grammy Mar 2020 #23
PatSeg Mar 2020 #25
mountain grammy Mar 2020 #29
PatSeg Mar 2020 #32
mountain grammy Mar 2020 #33
PatSeg Mar 2020 #34
mountain grammy Mar 2020 #35
PatSeg Mar 2020 #37
mountain grammy Mar 2020 #38
PatSeg Mar 2020 #39
mountain grammy Mar 2020 #40
Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #3
Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #4
ancianita Mar 2020 #5
Lulu KC Mar 2020 #12
MH1 Mar 2020 #13
NYMinute Mar 2020 #18
yardwork Mar 2020 #21
Codeine Mar 2020 #24
Freedomofspeech Mar 2020 #26
AlexSFCA Mar 2020 #27
LisaM Mar 2020 #28
Skid Rogue Mar 2020 #31
HeartachesNhangovers Mar 2020 #42

Response to cab67 (Original post)

Tue Mar 10, 2020, 05:54 PM

1. No.

 

Must be just you..
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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 10, 2020, 07:26 PM

6. It's definitely not just him ...

 

I've had Bernie people deleting me on Facebook for supporting Biden and insisting he's basically "blue Trump."
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Response to nolawarlock (Reply #6)

Tue Mar 10, 2020, 07:41 PM

7. Oh the horror

 

People deleting you from Facebook...do you know people in America actually die of completely manageable diseases due to lack of access to healthcare? Democrats could have fixed that long ago, but here we are..
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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #7)

Tue Mar 10, 2020, 07:43 PM

8. You must be fun at parties.

 

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Response to tritsofme (Reply #8)

Tue Mar 10, 2020, 07:48 PM

9. I've lost friends who couldn't afford their

 

Fucking medicine. Maybe youíre just on a whole different level.
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Tue Mar 10, 2020, 10:32 PM

30. Pretty crass comment.

 

The lack of affordable healthcare coverage is a scandal, not a joke.
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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #30)

Tue Mar 10, 2020, 11:22 PM

36. Yeah ...

 

Ö and so is this constant implication that every other candidate but Bernie's supporters want people to die because we're somehow not for universal health care. It's really getting old and it warrants a little snark.
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Response to nolawarlock (Reply #36)

Wed Mar 11, 2020, 08:16 AM

41. Yeah, a disgusting comment

 

Glad it's gone

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Response to tritsofme (Reply #8)

Tue Mar 10, 2020, 08:30 PM

16. *snort* n/t

 

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #7)

Tue Mar 10, 2020, 08:29 PM

15. So first, you said it was just the experience of the OP ...

 

Ö and now you move the goalpost to justify his crazy followers when someone else says they're doing it too.

Keep on moving the goalpost. Just don't think the rest of us don't notice.
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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #7)

Tue Mar 10, 2020, 08:55 PM

22. Wow, I never knew that. /sarcasm

 

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Response to cab67 (Original post)

Tue Mar 10, 2020, 05:57 PM

2. I've heard a lot of stories like this

 

and I've never seen anything like it either. I think some of the madness of the past few years is spreading.

One woman said that a good friend of 15 years was accusing her non Bernie supporting friends of being DINOs and even Trump supporters. It has taken on a very cult-like feel to it and it is extremely disturbing.

I'm avoiding discussing the primaries with my Bernie supporting friends, though one is now on board for Biden. I can't wait for this to be over and hopefully sanity will return to the Democratic party.
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Response to PatSeg (Reply #2)

Tue Mar 10, 2020, 07:53 PM

10. We need universal health care in America

 

Itís a winning policy that we should have delivered. Itís the sanest argument in America..Medicare for all.
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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #10)

Tue Mar 10, 2020, 08:03 PM

11. An affordable public option

 

with Medicaid expansion would bring healthcare to everyone. If private insurance companies can't compete, they will die off and we will have single-payer. Meanwhile, with a public option, Medicaid, and Medicare, the government can set limits to what hospitals and doctors can charge for services. Hopefully, the same will finally be true for drug companies as well. If we can win back the senate, we can finally get legislation through to control drug prices. We need solid majorities in both houses.
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Response to PatSeg (Reply #11)

Tue Mar 10, 2020, 08:16 PM

14. We had solid majorities

 

Couldnít get it done..a public option wasnít ďmoderate ď enough, when, in truth, it would have been wildly popular.. We didnít have the courage to fight for it. Gave the riches in a sell out to the insurance corporations. Shame on us.
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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #14)

Tue Mar 10, 2020, 08:38 PM

19. We had a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate for four months and ten days.

 

Just sixty votes, giving each senator a veto. The public option was included in the House version but Joe Lieberman and a few others wouldn't vote for it in the Senate.
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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #14)

Tue Mar 10, 2020, 08:49 PM

20. That wasn't solid

 

and at least two Blue Dog Dems voted against the public option. We need a bigger majority and for longer than two years.
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Response to PatSeg (Reply #20)

Tue Mar 10, 2020, 09:57 PM

23. President Obama got more votes than any candidate in history

 

And brought a whole bunch of Dems with him. They needed to seize the moment and push forward for a public option. I believe Obama had the popularity to get it done, but the fight for it just wasnít there, but what was there was plenty of $$$$ from the insurance corporations.
The Medicaid expansion was great but easily shot down by the SC. Old news, I know, but lack of good healthcare is a scandal in America and always has been.
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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #23)

Tue Mar 10, 2020, 10:08 PM

25. Unfortunately, in the beginning the ACA was not popular

 

with a lot of Democrats and by the mid-terms, he lost a lot of his popularity within his own party. Some of that was because the ACA didn't go far enough (not Obama's fault) and some people were still resistant to government run insurance and the individual mandate. It was a really hard sell and it took a lot of guts for Obama to keep pushing it.

I remember it got so bad that many Democratic members of congress didn't even want Obama to come to their states and campaign for them. Seems really strange today, being he is one of the most popular leaders in the world and certainly the most popular Democrat.
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Response to PatSeg (Reply #25)

Tue Mar 10, 2020, 10:31 PM

29. It was basically a republican plan

 

Thatís why it was unpopular. The parts people liked were the Democratic additions. A public option would have saved it. Weíve got to learn to fight for what is right.

Of course Iíll vote for Biden because 4 more years of trump would be the end of us all, but Iíve pretty much given up ever seeing a fair and just healthcare system in my lifetime. Iím a liberal past my time..
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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #29)

Tue Mar 10, 2020, 10:53 PM

32. It is truly long past due

 

We are so far behind other developed democracies. I think we've reached a point where people will not settle for the same old crap. They just can't afford to.

Did you know that as Vice President, Joe was going to sell his house to pay for his son's cancer treatment? If the Vice President's son can't afford his hospital bills, who can?
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Response to PatSeg (Reply #32)

Tue Mar 10, 2020, 10:55 PM

33. Exactly!

 

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #33)

Tue Mar 10, 2020, 10:57 PM

34. To better days!

 

If not for us, for our children and grandchildren!
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Response to PatSeg (Reply #34)

Tue Mar 10, 2020, 11:04 PM

35. Yes, I'm very worried about my granddaughters

 

To better days indeed...
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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #35)

Tue Mar 10, 2020, 11:54 PM

37. I have five year old twin grandsons

 

They are my primary concern these days!
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Response to PatSeg (Reply #37)

Wed Mar 11, 2020, 12:30 AM

38. You're lucky to still have youngsters

 

And twins to boot. What fun! My youngest turns 13 this summer. They grow up so fast.
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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #38)

Wed Mar 11, 2020, 12:34 AM

39. I waited a long time for them

 

I wish I'd had grandchildren when I was younger, so I could enjoy them longer, but they were worth the wait, plus twins was a bonus. I live in an in-law apartment so I see them often. My apartment looks like another playroom!
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Response to PatSeg (Reply #39)

Wed Mar 11, 2020, 12:39 AM

40. Ha I'll bet.

 

How cool.
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Response to cab67 (Original post)

Tue Mar 10, 2020, 05:58 PM

3. I haven't, but have to avoid the subject... you are far from alone!!

 

Lots and lots of twitter posts about how people have lost friends.

JUST IMHO
It says a lot about a ďmovement/cultĒ that has no room for anyone but one of their own. This is not who we are.

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Response to cab67 (Original post)

Tue Mar 10, 2020, 05:59 PM

4. The Bernie supporters in my circle

 

are pretty rational. They include my mom, who is a loyal Democrat. So, in total, I know seven of his fans and theyíre happy to get behind Biden when the time comes.
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Response to cab67 (Original post)

Tue Mar 10, 2020, 06:00 PM

5. Many of us did in past primaries. But that's what primaries do: make people commit. They have

 

to learn, like adults do after they lose at one stage, to switch gears and go for the party package in the next stage.

First ask them to prove they've registered to vote. If they haven't, then you can see more clearly who they are. Many "cultist" candidate followers just want to extol the rightness of their candidate but don't actually take the trouble to vote, for whatever excuse; imo, people can still vote while they struggle; they should see voting as part of their struggle.

The way I see it, the General Elections separates those who can move forward, from those stuck in their rightness. It separates the adults from the grownups.

imo
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Response to cab67 (Original post)

Tue Mar 10, 2020, 08:05 PM

12. I avoid the topic

 

and don't include any politics on Facebook, where I do have some Bernie supporting friends. (And very conservative relatives)
The thing that really seems to separate those who are from those who are not from the people I know personally is a grasp of the seriousness of 2016 Russian interference, and all the repercussions since then--from Mueller through impeachment right up until the Trump talking points being used by supporters of Bernie today. Right now.
They still seem to think that corporate interests are our biggest problem. I only wish they still were. Those were the good old days.
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Response to cab67 (Original post)

Tue Mar 10, 2020, 08:09 PM

13. Not this year, because I lost those folks in 2016.

 

The Sanders supporters I know this year that are nutz - a small percentage of the Sanders supporters I know - aren't close friends and I just don't get into discussions like that, as I already know how it ends.
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Response to cab67 (Original post)

Tue Mar 10, 2020, 08:34 PM

18. Unfriend and/or block.

 

But first, write a post that anyone who doesn't respect my politics is not a true friend and I warn you that I will unfriend you if you try to give me a guilt trip for not agreeing with you.
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Response to cab67 (Original post)

Tue Mar 10, 2020, 08:53 PM

21. This happened in 2016, too.

 

I think it's actually a little better this time around.
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Response to cab67 (Original post)

Tue Mar 10, 2020, 10:00 PM

24. My wife has been lying to her friends

 

by telling them she voted for Sanders just to avoid the arguments.
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Response to cab67 (Original post)

Tue Mar 10, 2020, 10:13 PM

26. Every Sanders supporter that I know act like...

 

they are totally brainwashed....I just do not get it.
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Response to cab67 (Original post)

Tue Mar 10, 2020, 10:18 PM

27. trump supporters don't belong to our circle

 

we had a couple that we learned were supporting trump. Immediately cut all ties after the election night. We have friends who are Sanders supporters but we donít talk much politics with them, they are far more reasonable anyway but it annoys me that they donít like my role model, Hillary. They say something about Third Way, I didnít even know it was a thing. Hillary is one of the most progressive democrats weíve ever had.
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Response to cab67 (Original post)

Tue Mar 10, 2020, 10:24 PM

28. Yes.

 

It's upsetting, I won't get into the details.
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Response to cab67 (Original post)

Tue Mar 10, 2020, 10:40 PM

31. Coming from a family of hardcore Trump supporters...

 

one learns how to dodge the fruitless political argument. My advice is, don't engage. Talk about your kids, your pets, your favorite sports team, the Oscars, local restaurants, your favorite new book. It's difficult, especially if you're active on social media, but "avoid" is the only option.
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Response to cab67 (Original post)

Wed Mar 11, 2020, 11:12 AM

42. Like most people, I'm a moderate ...

 

which means that politics isn't the first topic (or the tenth) that comes to mind when I'm interacting with other people. There are just so many more interesting things to talk about. I don't know how most people I know vote, or even what party (if any) they belong to. This year doesn't seem any different.
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