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Legends303

(481 posts)
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 10:52 PM Mar 2020

Bernie shouldn't get pressured out of the race

If we divide the party going in the general election, Trump wins. Sander supporters already believes the establishment is pulling the strings, we don't need to give them ammunition. When Sanders drops out let him make the decision on his own, it's not going to hurt us of this primary continuing Biden supporters.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Bernie shouldn't get pressured out of the race (Original Post) Legends303 Mar 2020 OP
That's exactly what Lawrence O'Donnell is explaining right this minute, in so many words. ancianita Mar 2020 #1
They don't vote Aquaria Mar 2020 #13
That is harsh Drahthaardogs Mar 2020 #28
"Let them have some success," why, because life is like that? rzemanfl Mar 2020 #35
Watch what Joe does, and take your cues from him. ancianita Mar 2020 #41
Watch Sanders.. if he keeps doing Smear ads on Joe Biden. Cha Mar 2020 #42
You're giving his ad buy too much credit. The DNC is going to be unified, you'll see. ancianita Mar 2020 #44
BS is the one running the Smear Ads.. he need to Stop. Cha Mar 2020 #47
Freedom of speech. He's going to do what he's going to do. ancianita Mar 2020 #49
BS is only helping trump with those Smear Ads on Joe Biden. Cha Mar 2020 #51
There is no help for Trump. None. You know this. ancianita Mar 2020 #53
You really aren't in a position to tell me what I Cha Mar 2020 #56
Like Obama says, come on. Come ON. This anti-Bernie talk is unnecessary now. ancianita Mar 2020 #59
I was talking about Sanders and trump & you took it personal. Cha Mar 2020 #63
Having The Right To Do A Thing Does Not Make It The Right Thing To Do The Magistrate Mar 2020 #58
Post/cite some examples. I haven't seen any attacks and I get Bernie posts and news every day. ancianita Mar 2020 #60
Confessing Inattention Is A Poor Tactic The Magistrate Mar 2020 #76
I don't use "tactics." ancianita Mar 2020 #78
Of Course You Do, Everyone Does The Magistrate Mar 2020 #84
Nah. I don't. You can call what I say anything you like, though. ancianita Mar 2020 #90
Thank You For The Laugh, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #93
So good to see you here again, Sir! missingthebigdog Mar 2020 #115
So, so glad you're posting again here Sugarcoated Mar 2020 #136
Let me get this straight. You started off about "party unity" to pander to a group of unreliable Vivienne235729 Mar 2020 #99
You get nothing straight. Don't interpret me back to myself, make it about me, and STOP piling on. ancianita Mar 2020 #118
Let me see here...am I using YOUR words to call you out or personally attacking you? Vivienne235729 Mar 2020 #120
Oh no. Just play the "Let me get this straight," passive aggressive game of rephrasing. ancianita Mar 2020 #121
No. The only thing silly is your deflection, double standard, and name calling. Vivienne235729 Mar 2020 #123
Hey! Nice to see you! Squinch Mar 2020 #108
Freedom of speech is the worst excuse for stabbing Joe Biden in the back and Doodley Mar 2020 #95
sanders needs to stop his false and misleading ads Gothmog Mar 2020 #64
Or else what? He'll change the country's mind about Biden and the party? ancianita Mar 2020 #71
No, Hillary was destroyed...can't have a nominee attacked on the right and the left...same thing Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #80
Or help re-elect trump Gothmog Mar 2020 #81
IF. If he were going to "hurt Biden," he would have by now. Can't you see that yet? ancianita Mar 2020 #83
sanders is running false ads Gothmog Mar 2020 #88
Beta test on what the country would "buy." It didn't. Biden's not worried. ancianita Mar 2020 #92
Yours may be the greatest movement of goalposts in the history of goalposts. LanternWaste Mar 2020 #129
Nope. Just willing to give Bernie the benefit of the doubt because it's a primary. ancianita Mar 2020 #130
Damn, right, lol? Sugarcoated Mar 2020 #137
Well, I get it you're a tough guy Drahthaardogs Mar 2020 #45
30-year-olds aren't kids. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #62
I get a little tired of all of the "life is tough" blah, blah, blah Drahthaardogs Mar 2020 #72
You forgot to close with "Pilgrim." n/t rzemanfl Mar 2020 #119
Pander to them? sheshe2 Mar 2020 #89
Young people think they are immortal Drahthaardogs Mar 2020 #94
But they didn't vote treestar Mar 2020 #112
But they will vote someday. LisaM Mar 2020 #124
Sage advice. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2020 #39
Isn't it time you changed the additional signature line NCProgressive Mar 2020 #68
Perhaps Biden Can Offer to Have Cornell West Help Write the DNC Platform? TomCADem Mar 2020 #2
I have two words for him. He is another toxic person. LiberalFighter Mar 2020 #20
Touche' still_one Mar 2020 #29
Seems like it's pretty unified now. MyNameGoesHere Mar 2020 #3
Wrong! We voters are pressuring him out by voting against him overwhelmingly SiliconValley_Dem Mar 2020 #4
"we divide"? its only one candidate and supporters who are dividing nt msongs Mar 2020 #5
Exactly Walleye Mar 2020 #17
Why isn't Bernie wise enough to know when it's time to bow out? ecstatic Mar 2020 #6
It is his ego. And why he really hasn't accomplished much in his 29 years plus LiberalFighter Mar 2020 #24
What evidence have you, other than opinion here, that Bernie & supporters will split the party? ancianita Mar 2020 #38
Can someone find a link to "2016"? n/t Mister Ed Mar 2020 #102
BS shouldn't have to be pressured-he should be smart enough & insightful enough to do it on his own. Julian English Mar 2020 #7
You're wrong. He's not bent on destroying anything. That's fear talk. ancianita Mar 2020 #52
No, it isn't; it's been a pretty clear aim of his for a long time. LongtimeAZDem Mar 2020 #57
++++++ NCProgressive Mar 2020 #65
I haven't seen that at all. Maybe you're blowing his campaign rhetoric into something else. ancianita Mar 2020 #69
I'll calm down about him when he stops running attack ads against Biden; until then, it's on him LongtimeAZDem Mar 2020 #77
Of course you don't see anything critical of Bernie and you DO defend Bernie. Even though.... Vivienne235729 Mar 2020 #122
He will be ignored from now on NCProgressive Mar 2020 #8
He has LOST. He will not be the nominee. Dear goddesses can people accept this simple truth? boston bean Mar 2020 #9
+1 ancianita Mar 2020 #82
Kickin' Faux pas Mar 2020 #10
It's a clean sweep for Biden once again, and the only thing forcing BS out is math. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2020 #11
I agree. He should be grabbed by the scruff of the neck and THROWN out of it jberryhill Mar 2020 #12
There was an interesting discussion on CNN about the leverage Sanders has. Music Man Mar 2020 #14
We don't need Sanders for the platform Aquaria Mar 2020 #23
Disagree. Sanders had his chance in 2016. LiberalFighter Mar 2020 #32
I Don't Think Having Bernie Supporters Booing Black Speakers... TomCADem Mar 2020 #36
I'm well-aware of the nastiness of Bernie supporters at the '16 convention Music Man Mar 2020 #50
I Am Not Convinced That Bernie Sanders Wants Biden to Beat Trump TomCADem Mar 2020 #67
There Is No Reason To Think He Does, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #79
I think all of Bernie's delegates at the convention NCProgressive Mar 2020 #70
Put em between union reps tirebiter Mar 2020 #97
I like that Hav Mar 2020 #100
He lost. He lost big. He doesn't get to make demands now. Squinch Mar 2020 #110
The only person dividing the party is the fake Democrat Aquaria Mar 2020 #15
I thought of the same analogy Walleye Mar 2020 #18
After tonight I suspect Sanders will suspend his campaign zz-la Mar 2020 #16
Wanna bet? Walleye Mar 2020 #21
If I am wrong I am wrong zz-la Mar 2020 #26
I'm going to my county party convention Aquaria Mar 2020 #34
He'll be running for re-election in 2024 as an independent. George II Mar 2020 #133
He has always required the help of the Democratic Party to run for Senator in VT, and will again in ehrnst Mar 2020 #134
That will be a first Aquaria Mar 2020 #27
Yes he should... SidDithers Mar 2020 #19
The only dividing currently being done is by Sanders and some of his supporters. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #22
Any campaign which is solely aspirational and positive could continue without ill effect, RockRaven Mar 2020 #25
As long as they have people such as Gray, Sirota, and Turner, it will be about attacking Biden still_one Mar 2020 #33
Same crap as 2016. Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #30
He Has Been Voted Out The Magistrate Mar 2020 #31
Very very good point. Thank you! n/t Beartracks Mar 2020 #37
BS Shoujldn't Do Smear Ads on Joe Biden Cha Mar 2020 #40
His aids already said he is not dropping out Legends303 Mar 2020 #43
No reason for Bernie to drop out as long as he's mathematically still in the race... InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2020 #128
That's exactly right HarlanPepper Mar 2020 #132
Here's your research! Hillary Clinton was NEVER 300 delegates behind at any time... George II Mar 2020 #135
Yeah, Sanders should not listen to voters. What the hell do they know or matter? Hoyt Mar 2020 #46
Actually, the voters matter quite a bit, which is why they should all have their say... InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2020 #139
None of the candidates who dropped out were "mathematically eliminated." They Hoyt Mar 2020 #140
What is the point of that? frazzled Mar 2020 #48
Fine, but we don't have to pay attention to him DrToast Mar 2020 #54
This is on Sanders. Done accommodating. Voters have made a solid statement. LizBeth Mar 2020 #55
I just wish his top advisers would help him realize SiliconValley_Dem Mar 2020 #61
His top advisers are probably telling him to run third-party LongtimeAZDem Mar 2020 #66
His top advisors are not Democrats and they hate the comradebillyboy Mar 2020 #74
Give him some time, but he has to understand the primary is over. We need to turn our attention to Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #73
He should have stepped out after Super Tuesday. We were saying give him time after last week. Then LizBeth Mar 2020 #87
At this point, Bernie is damaging progressives. Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #75
I thought he was an adult. RandySF Mar 2020 #85
How is it so difficult to understand 'A BAD BIDEN FOR THE NEXT FOUR YEARS' is better than JustFiveMoreMinutes Mar 2020 #86
Why should he? nolawarlock Mar 2020 #91
It is obvious that he cannot win, and yet he is focused on attacking Biden. Doodley Mar 2020 #96
A terrible attitude towards him won't help at all mvd Mar 2020 #98
Where, please, is this mythic solid base? If he has a base he'd win a county here and there. Squinch Mar 2020 #107
And he has fewer votes this time than 2016 treestar Mar 2020 #113
He cannot be pressured out Hav Mar 2020 #101
He may have to yield to virus-related rule changes. ucrdem Mar 2020 #103
After reading all the posts True Blue American Mar 2020 #104
I think it is inevitable. ucrdem Mar 2020 #114
At this point I just think Biden should be campaigning solely against Trump ... nolawarlock Mar 2020 #105
Campaign against Trump ibegurpard Mar 2020 #111
Oh bullshit. We're not "dividing the party?" BS is. And that couldn't be plainer unless Squinch Mar 2020 #106
RIGGED! betsuni Mar 2020 #109
Our opinions are not pressuring anyone of note. LanternWaste Mar 2020 #116
Bernie has been voted out of the race by us. IluvPitties Mar 2020 #117
When Bernie has a 99% chance of losing, he should bow out gracefully. but, for whatever reason Vivienne235729 Mar 2020 #125
No he should drop out on his own volition. LakeArenal Mar 2020 #126
True & besides, if Joe does win the nomination, Bernie will have helped make him a better candidate InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2020 #127
Fine Tweedy Mar 2020 #131
He should have the moral backbone to do it without pressure. nt Maru Kitteh Mar 2020 #138
Tell the voters to stop choosing Joe Generic Brad Mar 2020 #141
 

ancianita

(35,812 posts)
1. That's exactly what Lawrence O'Donnell is explaining right this minute, in so many words.
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 10:55 PM
Mar 2020

We want to keep youth and first time voters engaged in running this country.

So we should let them all do what they've got to do. And be encouraging, no matter what or who, that they move on to the General.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Aquaria

(1,076 posts)
13. They don't vote
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:12 PM
Mar 2020

I don't care about winning over people who can't put down their phones, game controllers, juiceboxes or participation trophies long enough to vote.

Tell them to grow up and show up, then I'll care what they want.

Until then, the squeaky wheels who show up to vote, like, oh, suburban soccer moms, get the grease.

Way it's always been. Way it always will be.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
28. That is harsh
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:27 PM
Mar 2020

I prefer Biden but if we have to pander a bit to the younger generation to make them excited about politics, so be it.

Kind of like getting a kid involved in hunting or football or whatever. You let them have some success.

If keeping Bernie in the race keeps them engaged, I am cool with it. Even if they flake out this cycle, maybe it whets their appetite for the next.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

rzemanfl

(29,540 posts)
35. "Let them have some success," why, because life is like that?
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:34 PM
Mar 2020

Drumpf and the virus are existential threats, yet we need to hand out participation trophies?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ancianita

(35,812 posts)
41. Watch what Joe does, and take your cues from him.
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:40 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(295,899 posts)
42. Watch Sanders.. if he keeps doing Smear ads on Joe Biden.
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:42 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ancianita

(35,812 posts)
44. You're giving his ad buy too much credit. The DNC is going to be unified, you'll see.
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:43 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(295,899 posts)
47. BS is the one running the Smear Ads.. he need to Stop.
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:46 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ancianita

(35,812 posts)
49. Freedom of speech. He's going to do what he's going to do.
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:51 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(295,899 posts)
51. BS is only helping trump with those Smear Ads on Joe Biden.
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:53 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ancianita

(35,812 posts)
53. There is no help for Trump. None. You know this.
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:55 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(295,899 posts)
56. You really aren't in a position to tell me what I
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:57 PM
Mar 2020

know. Just stop with your personal insult.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ancianita

(35,812 posts)
59. Like Obama says, come on. Come ON. This anti-Bernie talk is unnecessary now.
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 12:00 AM
Mar 2020

You can stop taking insult where none is intended.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(295,899 posts)
63. I was talking about Sanders and trump & you took it personal.
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 12:07 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Magistrate

(95,237 posts)
58. Having The Right To Do A Thing Does Not Make It The Right Thing To Do
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:58 PM
Mar 2020

And continued attack by Sanders and his surrogates does indeed assist Trump. People attempting to deny this only make themselves appear foolish.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ancianita

(35,812 posts)
60. Post/cite some examples. I haven't seen any attacks and I get Bernie posts and news every day.
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 12:03 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Magistrate

(95,237 posts)
76. Confessing Inattention Is A Poor Tactic
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 12:26 AM
Mar 2020

Genuine ignorance may be pardoned, and educated. Pretended ignorance is another matter, and unworthy of the least respect. You have notched thousands of posts on a political forum dedicated to left and Democratic politics. You know perfectly well what is referenced.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ancianita

(35,812 posts)
78. I don't use "tactics."
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 12:32 AM
Mar 2020

Last edited Wed Mar 18, 2020, 01:18 AM - Edit history (1)

I've seen ads that people think are divisive. So what. If that's all you've got, there's no attacking me for pretending ignorance. I see what everybody's all up in a fluff about.

The country has spoken, Bernie's heard it. Haven't you?

This fear of party division couched as outrage is silly, at this point.

To continue this anti-Bernie talk makes the Biden people sound like sore winners.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Magistrate

(95,237 posts)
84. Of Course You Do, Everyone Does
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 12:40 AM
Mar 2020

If Sanders has heard the country, he will close up shop by tomorrow noon. You do not expect that, no one does. Sanders does not actually believe in Democracy. He is a 'vanguardist', believing he knows what the people really want, whatever they may say or think themselves.

Your tactic of pretended ignorance was intended to lure someone into a restatement of the attacks, to which you could respond with some variety of scorn or dismissal, after, of course, the attack has been read ionto the record once more. When you have to do it yourself, as you have done above, it is something of a squib.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ancianita

(35,812 posts)
90. Nah. I don't. You can call what I say anything you like, though.
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 01:05 AM
Mar 2020

If Sanders heard the country, maybe he will or maybe not. He can speak for himself, and no amount of sore winner fear here is going to a) change his staff's behavior or b) "foresee" a replay of 2016. It's not going to happen.

My "intentions to lure" are purely your imagination, Sir. My ignorance was in thinking that Bernie and his staff's campaign rhetoric would be seen for what it is around here. If anyone could present something I haven't seen, I've got no problem with learning something new about Bernie. I'm not the least ignorant of Bernie's ads or his staff. But now the fear-of-a-divided-party talk has gone on to the point of emotional habit. Apparently, the country doesn't need lessons on unity from the outraged here.

His supporters are who I want coming into the General to vote. That was my original point. We should already be talking up how to get them to understand long term effort, give them time to see that progress can't come with just one man and staff, and we could, if we wanted to, agree that his staffers can be dealt with later. We saw Biden look presidential. So we can start pushing what reality that can mean for Bernie supporters.

Squib. Yeah, I saw that word in the New Yorker recently. Guess it's making the rounds.


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Magistrate

(95,237 posts)
93. Thank You For The Laugh, Sir
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 01:09 AM
Mar 2020

We can all use a good one in these dark hours.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

missingthebigdog

(1,233 posts)
115. So good to see you here again, Sir!
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 07:53 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Sugarcoated

(7,707 posts)
136. So, so glad you're posting again here
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 06:03 PM
Mar 2020

I hope you choose to stay, I enjoy your intelligent posts and they life my spirits, sir!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Vivienne235729

(3,373 posts)
99. Let me get this straight. You started off about "party unity" to pander to a group of unreliable
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 02:56 AM
Mar 2020

Youths who don't vote. Only to come around to call Biden supporters sore winners? If Bernie knows that he's toast, then end gracefully. When he acts like a sore loser, he's going to be called out for it. But don't feign outrage bc people call him out on a behaviour that is courting admonishment.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ancianita

(35,812 posts)
118. You get nothing straight. Don't interpret me back to myself, make it about me, and STOP piling on.
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 09:32 AM
Mar 2020

If you want to see outreach as pandering, you're simply making personal attack.

Moreover, I don't see Bernie acting like the sore loser that you interpret, either.

Know what? If you want to argue, you needn't argue with me about Bernie or any other Democrat. I've always supported them all. All. Support. That means no trash talk. Not even about Gabbard, who we all have doubts about.

The only divisive people around here have been the anti-Bernie people. He might not be as "real" a Democrat as they want, but the party's embraced him.

Deal with it. Deal with the party as it is. This bashing and undermining habit is not constructive.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Vivienne235729

(3,373 posts)
120. Let me see here...am I using YOUR words to call you out or personally attacking you?
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 11:38 AM
Mar 2020

If you feel your words are attacking you, then you're just as entitled as Bernie himself. And, clearly, I DID get something right. Lol

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ancianita

(35,812 posts)
121. Oh no. Just play the "Let me get this straight," passive aggressive game of rephrasing.
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 11:47 AM
Mar 2020

No, I don't think my words are attacking me. Your rephrasing of my meaning is what I "feel."

IF? If you're sincere and not personalizing my ideas, you could ask what I meant by what I said, or just questions in general. Instead you conclude from your weak strawman setup that "you're just as entitled as Bernie" with the smug lol.

Gratuitous silliness.



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Vivienne235729

(3,373 posts)
123. No. The only thing silly is your deflection, double standard, and name calling.
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 11:49 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Squinch

(50,773 posts)
108. Hey! Nice to see you!
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 05:52 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Doodley

(8,976 posts)
95. Freedom of speech is the worst excuse for stabbing Joe Biden in the back and
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 01:27 AM
Mar 2020

damaging his chances against Trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(143,999 posts)
64. sanders needs to stop his false and misleading ads
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 12:08 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ancianita

(35,812 posts)
71. Or else what? He'll change the country's mind about Biden and the party?
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 12:17 AM
Mar 2020

Could be a good cop-bad cop manipulation of RW news to make Repubs complacent about how "divided" we are, you know.

I wouldn't worry anymore about what Bernie needs to stop. Something else is going on, and maybe we're just not privy to what the party's internal approach is. If they wanted him out, he'd leave.

Let's just see how this plays out. The DNC will be united, so what's the big deal. Just some policy issues to get into the platform, is all.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,347 posts)
80. No, Hillary was destroyed...can't have a nominee attacked on the right and the left...same thing
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 12:36 AM
Mar 2020

happened with Kerry,Sanders needs to stand down...no more establishment crap and attack ads.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(143,999 posts)
81. Or help re-elect trump
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 12:37 AM
Mar 2020

if sanders hurts Biden, sanders is helping Putin and trump

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ancianita

(35,812 posts)
83. IF. If he were going to "hurt Biden," he would have by now. Can't you see that yet?
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 12:39 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(143,999 posts)
88. sanders is running false ads
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 12:48 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ancianita

(35,812 posts)
92. Beta test on what the country would "buy." It didn't. Biden's not worried.
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 01:08 AM
Mar 2020

Wait 'til the Bloomberg ads get behind Biden. Then you'll forget all about this.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
129. Yours may be the greatest movement of goalposts in the history of goalposts.
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 01:07 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ancianita

(35,812 posts)
130. Nope. Just willing to give Bernie the benefit of the doubt because it's a primary.
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 01:15 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Sugarcoated

(7,707 posts)
137. Damn, right, lol?
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 06:05 PM
Mar 2020

Just bickery bickering

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
45. Well, I get it you're a tough guy
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:43 PM
Mar 2020

I know tough guys.

My dad was a rancher, his dad a coal miner. Sons of immigrants. I grew up tough. I cowboyed with grown ass men when I was 12 years old. They demanded I worked like a man when I was a kid. There were days when Dad came in and said you are not going to school, I need you to work cows

We had two full time cowboys. You know, I'm sure I was a pain in the ass. Those two cowboys not only tolerated me, they nurtured me.

As tough as those men were, they were not too tough to show a kindness to a teenaged. Took time to teach, and yeah.. they indulged me sometimes too.

So, I'm glad you're such a toughy. Yeah, life is tough. As adults it's our job to maybe make it a little less tough on the kids

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

TwilightZone

(25,342 posts)
62. 30-year-olds aren't kids.
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 12:06 AM
Mar 2020

He's actually drawing more voters from 30-44 than from 18-29. The youngest group aren't showing up.

That being said, I have no idea what your post has to do with the one to which you replied. You seem to have divined something there that doesn't seem to exist.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
72. I get a little tired of all of the "life is tough" blah, blah, blah
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 12:19 AM
Mar 2020

Yeah, life is tough. It doesn't mean WE can't suck it up a little and INDULGE the youth a little. Scorching and burning is now way to nurture and interest. If keeping Bernie in keeps them motivated I'm not going to begrudge them

Point is if two old saddle tramps can indulge me as a kid to make me learn how to cowboy, we can do it too. It's what the older generation does FOR the younger generation to keep them interested and keep a tradition alive.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

rzemanfl

(29,540 posts)
119. You forgot to close with "Pilgrim." n/t
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 11:24 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

sheshe2

(83,324 posts)
89. Pander to them?
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 12:55 AM
Mar 2020

The definition of pander is enlightening and horrifying.

Sorry. No. These are the kids that think the pandemic is a joke and it will never touch them. They are partying in Florida as we speak. Spring Break! They are to stupid to know what we face. It is all about them. You can't excite a person to vote when they deny the reality that faces them. Maybe when the body count rises to a million and their grandparents are gone, maybe their parents as well then perhaps, just perhaps their selfishness in spreading the virus will hit home.

PS. They are not engaged.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
94. Young people think they are immortal
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 01:11 AM
Mar 2020

They are going to be okay. We thought that way too. I think of the shit I pulled on a tractor today and shudder.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

treestar

(82,383 posts)
112. But they didn't vote
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 07:35 AM
Mar 2020

even for Bernie in large numbers so is it really true that keeping Bernie in the race keeps them engaged. There might be a better way to keep them engaged.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LisaM

(27,758 posts)
124. But they will vote someday.
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 12:02 PM
Mar 2020

I would prefer that they learn to accept that defeats happen rather than thinking the system is rigged.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,110 posts)
39. Sage advice.
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:39 PM
Mar 2020

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

NCProgressive

(1,315 posts)
68. Isn't it time you changed the additional signature line
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 12:10 AM
Mar 2020

since Sen. Warren has dropped out and Bernie has lost?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TomCADem

(17,378 posts)
2. Perhaps Biden Can Offer to Have Cornell West Help Write the DNC Platform?
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 10:56 PM
Mar 2020

I recall that the type of outreach and engagement you recommend was tried in the past. How did that work out? Did Cornell West reciprocate the engagement and support shown to Bernie?

https://www.colorlines.com/articles/cornel-west-activists-immigrants-lets-dump-democratic-party

Cornel West to Activists, Immigrants: Let's Dump The Democratic Party (2017)

Professor and author Dr. Cornel West has a message for people who identify themselves as political and social progressives: “The neoliberal vision of the Democratic party has run its course.”

In an essay published by The Guardian today (April 24), West argues that the first 100 days of President Donald Trump’s term in office makes it clear that the Democratic party is not capable of leading progressives in a time when the GOP dominates the American political landscape.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LiberalFighter

(50,491 posts)
20. I have two words for him. He is another toxic person.
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:22 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MyNameGoesHere

(7,638 posts)
3. Seems like it's pretty unified now.
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 10:57 PM
Mar 2020

Just a few hangers-on that won't jump on the Joe train

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SiliconValley_Dem

(1,656 posts)
4. Wrong! We voters are pressuring him out by voting against him overwhelmingly
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:00 PM
Mar 2020

BTW. Just to say he DOES do so, he needs to stop all attacks on Biden and Dems and force his surrogates to stop too. Then he needs to provide a calm and logical rationale for staying in despite the clear direction this things has gone.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

msongs

(67,193 posts)
5. "we divide"? its only one candidate and supporters who are dividing nt
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:01 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ecstatic

(32,566 posts)
6. Why isn't Bernie wise enough to know when it's time to bow out?
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:02 PM
Mar 2020

Why must we go through this again?

It's a question of judgment now. We have so much at stake.

Pete is less than half Bernie's age and even he was able to put his pride aside and make the right decision!

Is Bernie in control of his own campaign decisions or is someone else pulling the strings???

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LiberalFighter

(50,491 posts)
24. It is his ego. And why he really hasn't accomplished much in his 29 years plus
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:25 PM
Mar 2020

in Congress.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ancianita

(35,812 posts)
38. What evidence have you, other than opinion here, that Bernie & supporters will split the party?
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:38 PM
Mar 2020

I don't see it. I know lots of Bernie supporters who'd still vote for Biden just to get rid of Trump.

We've got a pandemic going on, and so the national interest in getting rid of this fake prez is looking pretty unified, to me.

So what sources do you have that prove otherwise?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Mister Ed

(5,896 posts)
102. Can someone find a link to "2016"? n/t
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 04:04 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Julian English

(434 posts)
7. BS shouldn't have to be pressured-he should be smart enough & insightful enough to do it on his own.
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:03 PM
Mar 2020

Unfortunately, he seems either to misread the situation or he is bent on destroying the Democratic Party and the nation with it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ancianita

(35,812 posts)
52. You're wrong. He's not bent on destroying anything. That's fear talk.
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:54 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
57. No, it isn't; it's been a pretty clear aim of his for a long time.
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:57 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ancianita

(35,812 posts)
69. I haven't seen that at all. Maybe you're blowing his campaign rhetoric into something else.
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 12:12 AM
Mar 2020

I was an old Berner from the last cycle's primary, but this cycle, supported two other primary candidates who dropped out.

I don't defend Bernie, yet he's got more to say to the country, though he's heard its voice loud and clear.

There's way to much conflict-driven talk that's persisting about Bernie. Why is it that Biden supporters can't take his and the party's lead on dealing with Bernie?

Folks ought to just calm down about him.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
77. I'll calm down about him when he stops running attack ads against Biden; until then, it's on him
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 12:28 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Vivienne235729

(3,373 posts)
122. Of course you don't see anything critical of Bernie and you DO defend Bernie. Even though....
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 11:47 AM
Mar 2020

His entire shtick is about breaking the establishment but according to you he is about "party unity".

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NCProgressive

(1,315 posts)
8. He will be ignored from now on
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:03 PM
Mar 2020

The media focus will be gone and there will be no headlines.

We can't argue with someone who wants to be masochistic - but Bernie cannot win a single primary going forward.

He has no leverage now and he will have less and less leverage moving forward to the point of zero at the end.

Bernie needs to fall in line to help the party that helped his campaign and let him run twice.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

boston bean

(36,186 posts)
9. He has LOST. He will not be the nominee. Dear goddesses can people accept this simple truth?
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:06 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Tarheel_Dem

(31,207 posts)
11. It's a clean sweep for Biden once again, and the only thing forcing BS out is math.
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:10 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
12. I agree. He should be grabbed by the scruff of the neck and THROWN out of it
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:10 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Music Man

(1,181 posts)
14. There was an interesting discussion on CNN about the leverage Sanders has.
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:15 PM
Mar 2020

Sanders is in an interesting position in that he has many causes he wants to advance but presumably wants to see Biden win in the fall. Deep down, he knows a Biden presidency gets us closer to his vision than a second Trump term does.

Therefore, a lot of good can be done by Sanders and Biden sitting down NOW and hashing things out. I'm sure Sanders wants to influence the platform.

Biden also needs the energy that Sanders brings, and it would be wise for him to be receptive to what that wing has to say.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Aquaria

(1,076 posts)
23. We don't need Sanders for the platform
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:24 PM
Mar 2020

The platform has always been as or more liberal than he is, but you'd need to have learned what's in it to know that.

If people cared about his candidacy or his "ideas," they would have voted for him. They didn't. They've made it clear that they don't want him or what he's selling.

Winners don't give concessions to losers who can't get people to show up to vote--and, worse, who lose voters in a successive primary season. The party has heard what the voters want, and have given as much as they're going to give to those who didn't bother to vote--which is far more than they deserve. Be grateful for what you get, rather than spoiled brats expecting to be coddled more than your voting numbers warrant.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LiberalFighter

(50,491 posts)
32. Disagree. Sanders had his chance in 2016.
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:30 PM
Mar 2020

Biden does not owe him anything. If Sanders had any energy he would have done as well as he did in 2016 but didn't even pull all 16 delegates from his own state.

Sanders has also demonstrated poor judgement with the people in his campaign.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TomCADem

(17,378 posts)
36. I Don't Think Having Bernie Supporters Booing Black Speakers...
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:34 PM
Mar 2020

...at the Convention is the type of energy we want. I think we want positive, pro-Democratic Nominee energy.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Music Man

(1,181 posts)
50. I'm well-aware of the nastiness of Bernie supporters at the '16 convention
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:52 PM
Mar 2020

As well as the exceptionally progressive Democratic platform.

But the point about Biden needing to be receptive to Bernie's followers was made by David Axelrod, who knows a thing or two about winning elections.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TomCADem

(17,378 posts)
67. I Am Not Convinced That Bernie Sanders Wants Biden to Beat Trump
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 12:09 AM
Mar 2020

It starts with Bernie's own repeated attacks on the Democratic party, as well as statements by his supporters advocating not only for the downfall of the Democratic party, but either cheering on Trump or discussing the silver lining of the suffering caused by a Trump presidency as creating conditions ripe for revolution. On top of that, it is the fact that despite all this talk about Bernie pushing his ideas, Bernie seems to relish making personal attacks on Democrats.

The actions that Bernie has taken, the people he has hired, and the statements he has made or retracted show that Bernie has cultivated a following whose equal goals are to elect Bernie and to destroy the Democratic party. Here is Bernie himself flip flopping and flip flopping on the question of who should be the nominee:


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This not the words of a man with integrity. At best, these are the words of an opportunist who is more interested in elevating himself then the welfare of the people he hopes to lead. At worst, Bernie has a god complex who truly believes that he alone can fix the problems that face our nation, and who sees no difference between Trump and Biden.

So, Bernie will spend the next few months viciously attacking Biden. Then, after doing so, he will belated endorse Biden, and then offer some half hearted words of support that are contradicted by his months of attacks.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Magistrate

(95,237 posts)
79. There Is No Reason To Think He Does, Sir
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 12:33 AM
Mar 2020

One recalls the old Comintern slogan 'Hitler is the ice-breaker of the revolution.'

This is a persistent delusion of the radical left, that right reactionaries in power will drive the people to seek revolutionary leadership on the left. It does not, but the dream does not seem to die. The chief obstacle, therefore, is not the reactionary right, but left elements and tendencies that do not revolution but rather reform and mitigation. It produces an odd sort of de facto alliance against people who are willing to work with the world as it is. One which neither side will admit, but which they must on some level recognize in their hearts.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NCProgressive

(1,315 posts)
70. I think all of Bernie's delegates at the convention
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 12:13 AM
Mar 2020

should be read the riot act before they enter the hall and be seated between two burly bouncers so they can be ejected if there is any booing of Democratic leaders like Michelle Obama or John Lewis.

The decorum of the convention should be maintained

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

tirebiter

(2,520 posts)
97. Put em between union reps
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 02:06 AM
Mar 2020

Of the Iron Workers and the IBEW

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hav

(5,969 posts)
100. I like that
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 03:33 AM
Mar 2020

Sometimes, you need to listen to the young and sometimes you need the older generation slap some sense into you (figuratively or..) when they are hurting their own interests.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Squinch

(50,773 posts)
110. He lost. He lost big. He doesn't get to make demands now.
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 05:58 AM
Mar 2020

There is no prize for participation.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Aquaria

(1,076 posts)
15. The only person dividing the party is the fake Democrat
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:16 PM
Mar 2020

Who refuses to accept that Democratic voters just aren't into him.

BS is the equivalent of the psycho who's convinced that if he just keeps coming around your house and following you around, you'll change your mind about going out with him, rather than calling the cops on him as a creepy stalker.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Walleye

(30,702 posts)
18. I thought of the same analogy
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:21 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

zz-la

(224 posts)
16. After tonight I suspect Sanders will suspend his campaign
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:18 PM
Mar 2020

He will focus on helping Dem's take more seats in the House and retake the Senate. Sanders will do what is right when the time comes. At least he has made Biden a better and stronger candidate than I believe he was at the beginning of the race.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

zz-la

(224 posts)
26. If I am wrong I am wrong
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:26 PM
Mar 2020

But I do not believe that Sanders is trying to damage the Democratic Party. After all he will need their support in 4 years when he runs for re-election.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Aquaria

(1,076 posts)
34. I'm going to my county party convention
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:31 PM
Mar 2020

And proposing that we have a rule change to deny allowing anyone to run as a Democrat if they claim to be an Independent while holding elected office.

You want to be an Independent--run as one. But quit becoming one only when you want to mooch off our resources for your own selfish ambitions.

And worse, when you can't even win as a Democrat with our most loyal voters.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
133. He'll be running for re-election in 2024 as an independent.
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 02:03 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
134. He has always required the help of the Democratic Party to run for Senator in VT, and will again in
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 02:38 PM
Mar 2020

'24.

But he doesn't act like it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Aquaria

(1,076 posts)
27. That will be a first
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:26 PM
Mar 2020

He didn't do it in 2016, or with candidates who didn't align with his agenda or show fealty to him, PBUH in 2018. Real Democrats help all of the candidates down ticket that they can, not merely the ones who show fealty to them.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
19. Yes he should...
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:21 PM
Mar 2020

it's time for him to take his participation certificate and go back to Vermont.



Sid

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

TwilightZone

(25,342 posts)
22. The only dividing currently being done is by Sanders and some of his supporters.
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:22 PM
Mar 2020

Many of whom are independents, not Democrats.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

RockRaven

(14,782 posts)
25. Any campaign which is solely aspirational and positive could continue without ill effect,
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:26 PM
Mar 2020

under circumstances where the attempt to gain the nomination is futile by any reasonable interpretation of the available data.

But if the campaign is engaging in attacking and trying to tear down or smear the inevitable primary winner, then they help the general election opponent (in this case Donald Trump) by continuing that behavior beyond the point in time when they no longer have any reasonable chance of winning the primary.

How has Bernie's campaign been run? What is his path to victory? How is he behaving now?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

still_one

(91,944 posts)
33. As long as they have people such as Gray, Sirota, and Turner, it will be about attacking Biden
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:31 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Happy Hoosier

(7,073 posts)
30. Same crap as 2016.
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:28 PM
Mar 2020

As the race goes on, the Bros will get even more bitter, with Bernie’s silent consent.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Magistrate

(95,237 posts)
31. He Has Been Voted Out
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:30 PM
Mar 2020

That is, I suppose, a form of pressure.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Beartracks

(12,761 posts)
37. Very very good point. Thank you! n/t
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:37 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(295,899 posts)
40. BS Shoujldn't Do Smear Ads on Joe Biden
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:40 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Legends303

(481 posts)
43. His aids already said he is not dropping out
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:42 PM
Mar 2020

So get use to it he is staying in the race.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,110 posts)
128. No reason for Bernie to drop out as long as he's mathematically still in the race...
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 12:54 PM
Mar 2020

Hillary used the same logic against Obama, if I recall correctly. I believe she was also trailing Obama by more than Bernie is trailing Joe, and yet Hillary stayed in the race... I'll have to research that to be sure.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

HarlanPepper

(2,042 posts)
132. That's exactly right
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 01:24 PM
Mar 2020

Bernie is soaring!1!1

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
135. Here's your research! Hillary Clinton was NEVER 300 delegates behind at any time...
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 05:44 PM
Mar 2020

...and neither candidate had a lead of more than 168. The final tally in 2008 was Obama 1765.5 to Clinton 1639.5 - a difference of only 106 delegates.

It's illogical to compare 2020 to 2008.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_delegate_count.html

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
46. Yeah, Sanders should not listen to voters. What the hell do they know or matter?
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:44 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,110 posts)
139. Actually, the voters matter quite a bit, which is why they should all have their say...
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 08:43 PM
Mar 2020

that is, until all but one of the candidates are mathematically eliminated, assuming it's their desire to stay in the race until that point. Even the appearance of being "heavy handed" in prematurely forcing candidates out of the race could have negative effects on unifying the party in preparation for the general election. We need to avoid that scenario at all costs, so as to maximize the winning candidate's chances against tRumpty Dumbty.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
140. None of the candidates who dropped out were "mathematically eliminated." They
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 08:57 PM
Mar 2020

could read the tea leaves and saw what was best to end the national nightmare, though. Good judgment is admirable in a true leader.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
48. What is the point of that?
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:50 PM
Mar 2020

So people can cast their vote for someone who has no possibility of winning now? Do people really want to press that digital button or fill in that bubble just to feel like they got to have their say?

That’s kind of like getting a buzz out of saying something clever to Siri or Alexa. The ladies do not care. They are not real. Neither is the electronic screen or the optiscan ballot. If you think you are making an ideological statement, I’m afraid all you’re saying is I am on the side of a massively losing ideology.

It’s as incomprehensible to me as people still voting for candidates who have dropped out.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DrToast

(6,414 posts)
54. Fine, but we don't have to pay attention to him
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:55 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LizBeth

(9,946 posts)
55. This is on Sanders. Done accommodating. Voters have made a solid statement.
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 11:57 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SiliconValley_Dem

(1,656 posts)
61. I just wish his top advisers would help him realize
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 12:05 AM
Mar 2020

How small this is going to make home look. He’s LOSING voters as he goes. The train is slowing down. Let him go out with some dignity.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
66. His top advisers are probably telling him to run third-party
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 12:09 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

comradebillyboy

(10,119 posts)
74. His top advisors are not Democrats and they hate the
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 12:21 AM
Mar 2020

Democratic party. Nina Turner, David Sirota, Bri Bri Gray, Cornell West and many others were Stein voters. Prolonging the beating is not going out with dignity. Bernie has never said a kind word about the Democratic Party. Many good Democrats think Sanders helped elect Donald Trump.

He hasn't earned the benefit of the doubt.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,347 posts)
73. Give him some time, but he has to understand the primary is over. We need to turn our attention to
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 12:19 AM
Mar 2020

beating Trump. It is over and he can't continue to beat up Biden and we can't continue to waste money and time on a primary that is over.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LizBeth

(9,946 posts)
87. He should have stepped out after Super Tuesday. We were saying give him time after last week. Then
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 12:48 AM
Mar 2020

the debate. Now this. No more time. He support Biden or he is not fighting for the people but all about his ego.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Happy Hoosier

(7,073 posts)
75. At this point, Bernie is damaging progressives.
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 12:25 AM
Mar 2020

I’d they want to be taken seriously, these kind of bull-headed, fact-blind actions have to stop. It just underlines the idea that they do not live in reality.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

RandySF

(57,614 posts)
85. I thought he was an adult.
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 12:46 AM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

JustFiveMoreMinutes

(2,133 posts)
86. How is it so difficult to understand 'A BAD BIDEN FOR THE NEXT FOUR YEARS' is better than
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 12:46 AM
Mar 2020

'ANOTHER ORANGE FOUR YEARS".

REST your dang laurels, get Trump OUT of office and then Fuss until 2018 and 2020.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

nolawarlock

(1,729 posts)
91. Why should he?
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 01:07 AM
Mar 2020

I mean, what, with all the people he's endangering the lives of by keeping these pointless primaries going, no pressure at all, right?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Doodley

(8,976 posts)
96. It is obvious that he cannot win, and yet he is focused on attacking Biden.
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 01:43 AM
Mar 2020

If he thinks he can win, either he is deluded or he thinks Joe Biden will soon die or become incapacitated -- that would enable him to win by default. I have to wonder if he knows something we don't.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

mvd

(65,148 posts)
98. A terrible attitude towards him won't help at all
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 02:23 AM
Mar 2020

Biden is classy enough to acknowledge the solid base Sanders has and wants to appeal to his supporters. That said, I don’t see how Sanders wins. I also don’t know what his thinking is yet, especially with this virus. Things are so put on hold.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Squinch

(50,773 posts)
107. Where, please, is this mythic solid base? If he has a base he'd win a county here and there.
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 05:51 AM
Mar 2020

There is no "solid base."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

treestar

(82,383 posts)
113. And he has fewer votes this time than 2016
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 07:39 AM
Mar 2020

so there is nothing solid about his "base."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hav

(5,969 posts)
101. He cannot be pressured out
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 03:42 AM
Mar 2020

but right now he has the lead in only 3 counties over all the 3 states that voted today. It's almost comical. Different regions, different demographics, different voting history and the result is a universal rejection of BS. He cannot be forced out but it rather looks he'll get ridiculed out. Just imagine if all planned primaries had taken place today. What a spanking that would have been with another big portion of the available delegates gone.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
103. He may have to yield to virus-related rule changes.
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 04:05 AM
Mar 2020

That's a nicer way of expressing it. But the public mood is clearly against a 2016 replay and now that primaries are blinking out like cheap christmas lights the DNC has good reason to update the delegate math.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

True Blue American

(17,972 posts)
104. After reading all the posts
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 04:49 AM
Mar 2020

Pro and con, I have to say, no Sanders should not be pushed out. Having said that he should have the decency and grace to step aside.

How much humiliation should he take before he concedes? When you are losing states 2 to 1 it should be clear your nasty Ads are not working. Neither is your message.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
114. I think it is inevitable.
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 07:46 AM
Mar 2020

Hillary didn't dare but then there was the 2016 convention and now there's coronavirus. I think the Sanders Cycle will soon reach its conclusion and won't be returning.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

nolawarlock

(1,729 posts)
105. At this point I just think Biden should be campaigning solely against Trump ...
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 05:34 AM
Mar 2020

Biden knows he's the winner. We all know he's the winner. Bernie is not coming back from this and he's trying to derail Biden for what? Some sick hope that he'll run again at 82? Wouldn't shock me. Heck, I think he's so delusional that 92 wouldn't shock me for him.

So yeah, Biden should just campaign against Trump and forget about Bernie Sanders. He'll STILL win the remaining primaries and be spending his money better crippling Trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
111. Campaign against Trump
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 06:02 AM
Mar 2020

And continue to be gracious towards Sanders and his supporters. Ignore the bomb throwers.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Squinch

(50,773 posts)
106. Oh bullshit. We're not "dividing the party?" BS is. And that couldn't be plainer unless
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 05:48 AM
Mar 2020

you are one of the people who has bought into BSs monstrous sense of entitlement.

We don't have time for his shit.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
116. Our opinions are not pressuring anyone of note.
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 08:47 AM
Mar 2020

Nor do our opinions hold any relevance to whether someone believes in conspiracy theories or not. We have no control over Sanders' decision, so I'm not sure what you're driving at... to avoid having opinions abour Sanders so as not to trigger anyone?

Our opinions are not quire as powerful or consequential as you seem to think.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

IluvPitties

(3,181 posts)
117. Bernie has been voted out of the race by us.
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 08:49 AM
Mar 2020

It's over!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Vivienne235729

(3,373 posts)
125. When Bernie has a 99% chance of losing, he should bow out gracefully. but, for whatever reason
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 12:42 PM
Mar 2020

he can't let it go, then AT THE VERY LEAST, he needs to direct his guns at TRUMP. NOT BIDEN. I would be ok if Bernie stayed in the race and put out ads directing it at trump. But with almost a 0% chance of winning the nomination and going after Biden for a goal that is clearly out of reach, he is only helping trump. And I have a real problem with that. The party unity has already begun. He has chosen not to be a part of that. Bernie deserves every push back he gets.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LakeArenal

(28,713 posts)
126. No he should drop out on his own volition.
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 12:46 PM
Mar 2020

Blame it on the virus or whatever to save face if he wants.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,110 posts)
127. True & besides, if Joe does win the nomination, Bernie will have helped make him a better candidate
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 12:52 PM
Mar 2020

against tRumpty The Clown by staying in the race until it's mathematically decided.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Tweedy

(628 posts)
131. Fine
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 01:21 PM
Mar 2020

Nonetheless, the primary is over since one candidate is clearly mathematically out of range of success.

Joe Biden should turn to engage the general election while continuing to treat Senator Sanders with respect.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Maru Kitteh

(28,303 posts)
138. He should have the moral backbone to do it without pressure. nt
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 06:06 PM
Mar 2020
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Generic Brad

(14,270 posts)
141. Tell the voters to stop choosing Joe
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 11:06 PM
Mar 2020

Tell them to mercy vote for Bernie so he can keep his campaign going.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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