Democratic Primaries
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/14/us/politics/bernie-sanders-2020-candidates.htmlBernie Sanders Accuses Liberal Think Tank of Smearing Progressive Candidates
April 14, 2019
WASHINGTON Senator Bernie Sanders, in a rare and forceful rebuke by a presidential candidate of an influential party ally, has accused a liberal think tank of undermining Democrats chances of taking back the White House in 2020 by using its resources to smear him and other contenders pushing progressive policies.
Mr. Sanderss criticism of the Center for American Progress, delivered on Saturday in a letter obtained by The New York Times, reflects a simmering ideological battle within the Democratic Party and threatens to reopen wounds from the 2016 primary between him and Hillary Clintons allies. The letter airs criticisms shared among his supporters: That the think tank, which has close ties to Mrs. Clinton and the Democratic Party establishment, is beholden to corporate donors and has worked to quash a leftward shift in the party led partly by Mr. Sanders.
This counterproductive negative campaigning needs to stop, Mr. Sanders wrote to the boards of the Center for American Progress and its sister group, the Center for American Progress Action Fund. The Democratic primary must be a campaign of ideas, not of bad-faith smears. Please help play a constructive role in the effort to defeat Donald Trump.
Mr. Sanders sent the letter days after a website run by the action fund, ThinkProgress, suggested that his attacks on income inequality were hypocritical in light of his growing personal wealth. The letter is tantamount to a warning shot to the Democratic establishment that Mr. Sanders who continues to criticize party insiders on the campaign trail will not countenance a repeat of the 2016 primary, when he and his supporters believe party leaders and allies worked to deny him the Democratic nomination.
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,128 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Renew Deal
(81,846 posts)But his new wealth should help him buy some ads to make him feel better.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
dalton99a
(81,403 posts)"Only say nice things about me, ok?"
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,469 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueFlorida
(1,532 posts)One has to have a thick skin to run for POTUS.
This reminds me of Bernie's rant because he "thought" Clinton called him unfit to be president and he went off the rails.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Me.
(35,454 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,121 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Me.
(35,454 posts)They have generously let him run under their banner twice for pres and God knows how many times for Senate, after which he kicks sand in the Dem's Face, and that's OK?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,121 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Me.
(35,454 posts)like it or not
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,121 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Me.
(35,454 posts)and did I miss the release of his tax returns today?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,121 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Me.
(35,454 posts)Bring that out the next time the Vermont Dems rig the Senate election for BS and then he turns around, after winning, and says no thanks leaving the Dems with no one. Or the next time he loses a primary by millions and still thinks he won.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,121 posts)Wow... ookkkaayyy!! Think you just proved my point!!
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)...about it is wrong.
That's like when we were children having a schoolyard argument - "you're wrong", "why?", "because I said so!"
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Me.
(35,454 posts)it's the old I'm rubber, you're glue mishmash
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)He's running for POTUS after all. That's part of the package.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,121 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,121 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Publicly disagreeing with him in any way "will get Trump elected?"
And ThinkProgress? Really? Who next?
Reproductive rights organizations?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MrsCoffee
(5,801 posts)He pulled out the Planned Parenthood is "part of the establishment" a couple years ago. That went over well too.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eliot Rosewater
(31,106 posts)group and we both know it.
I wont accept that, if we lose THAT will be why and I will want to find them in grocery stores and so on and SCREAM at them in public and I will.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,308 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
macleod-s daughter
(2 posts)Corporate dems, the dnc and the dlc want to support one of their own and barely tolerate anyone who won't toe their line. Their manipulations last time cost us. And they don't like criticism....especially when it comes from the candidate who probably could've beaten trump. I think I've heard it described at Dunninger-Croger ( spelling all wrong, sorry )syndrome. So far into their own beliefs that they can't see beyond them. This could hurt us again. Leftie progressives are not the problem.
I don't know who'll be the candidate, I will vote for whoever. This admin has harmed us in so many ways it'll take a dem to right the ship of state.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
UpInArms
(51,280 posts)DLCC .... wanting money
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)...is the word "Democratic".
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thanks for that explanation
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Democrats get elected (and Republicans un-elected) so our local governments are working for us instead screwing us big time while we're paying so much attention to national politics.
DLCC - Democratic Legislative Campaign Committee.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(296,848 posts)Really?!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(296,848 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tymorial
(3,433 posts)Its shocking I tell you. The humanity..... I can barely contain my outrage and confusion.
Shouldnt be required but obligatory:
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(296,848 posts)Dem who has been working FOR our Party all these years!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,121 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,121 posts)They're obviously feelin' the Bern!!
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
namahage
(1,157 posts)And, as it turns out, for many of the same reasons we don't ignore Sanders.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Thekaspervote
(32,707 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)I'm losing track of when it's "bad" to disagree with Sanders, and when it's a "good sign" that people disagree with Sanders....
It seems he's not used to anyone disagreeing with him on anything, and reacts strongly to it. It's going to be a very long primary for him if this is how he takes it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(296,848 posts)party.. broad brushing it with Buzzword labels that have no meaning.
We got a Democratic Victory in the House with moderate Dems from all across our Nation. Turning 45 Red seats to Blue Wave BLUE!
That's why we have Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House.
The DNC and the DCCC helped us win those seats.. So quit spreading Crap about our Democratic Orgs.
Link to tweet
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)They're on our side. And, btw, so are we -- Democrats.
Don't let partisanship lead you into smearing good people. That's what happened to those who are now supporting criminals in office and putting children in cages -- partisanship maneuvered them into being against what were once also their principles.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)and the Young Turks of being in the tank for Sanders. Theres absolutely nothing wrong with think progress expressing their opinions. Bernie just doesnt like what theyre saying.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tactical Peek
(1,207 posts)There will be NO fighting in the primari... . . . uh, War Room!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(296,848 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)Anytime there is even the most legitimate criticism, the candidate and or supporters will line up to label it a hit piece or conspiracy.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(144,920 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)Is going to be spectacular. I'm getting a fucking 10 pound bucket of popcorn ready. 10 pounds before popping.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
I hear ya damn!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Gee where have we seen this before.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
robbedvoter
(28,290 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Me.
(35,454 posts)I don't know how he can resist
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,128 posts)"No other candidate for the Democratic nomination still talks about Hillary Clinton, whose surprise defeat was traumatic for millions of Democrats. Poking at the primary wounds can be risky; in Michigan, when Sanders reminded the crowd of his successful fight to end the voting power of superdelegates, there was a mix of cheers and boos. Mark Craig, 66, a Sanders organizer in Flint, took a cigar out of his mouth to shout a four-letter expletive about the party's 2016 nominee."
A more graphic rendition of Craig's outburst is documented here:
https://www.mediaite.com/print/bernie-sanders-organizer-screams-expletives-at-rally-fck-hillary-fck-hillary/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Politicub
(12,165 posts)On second thought, I have better things to do than whine and then run to the New York Times to tell them about how whiny it sounds.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,654 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)gets "rare and forceful" when they touch his taxes.
Isn't Socialism great?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,380 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(296,848 posts)thought I'd see BS say.
Too late.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)Especially a liberal think tank. How dare they! He is sacrosanct and above criticism.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(296,848 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
stonecutter357
(12,693 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
nolabear
(41,932 posts)It seems like he should be compassionate and generous given the good ideas that he often has. But he just seems peevish and entitled. Its just bizarre.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(296,848 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Cha
(296,848 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,654 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(296,848 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Was that head injury worse than previously thought?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Renew Deal
(81,846 posts)Last edited Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:32 AM - Edit history (1)
His increased wealth and social status.
And if anyone knows about bad faith smears its Bernie.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
betsuni
(25,380 posts)You can say that again. Accusing Democrats of being the same as Republicans, corrupt, an ideologically bankrupt party of out-of-touch wealthy elites paid off by lobbyists, corporations and wealthy donors to do their bidding, ignoring the working /middle classes, rigging things and out to get him. It just goes on and on. Talk about bad faith smears. Ridiculous.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(144,920 posts)Link to tweet
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lancero
(3,002 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)ironic than I can express right now.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)But the Berniacs keep cheering him on. Apparently whatever he does, no matter how wacky, dishonest, or hypocritical is okay with them. You'd think the private speech transcript thing would hit a cord somewhere, but they'll find a way to excuse (or ignore) that, too.
Cognitive dissonance is as much of a thing with them as with Trump's Deplorables.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
frazzled
(18,402 posts)to sell to the public to garner support. That's a dangerous thing: I don't care WHO the bogey man is. It was the DNC who were being unfair to him last time. Now it's the CAP. Or it's the 1%, or the system that's "rigged" against you.
All of these campaign strategies are negatives intended to rile up voters. As for the positive things he's selling (e.g. Medicare for All)whether one thinks they're achievable or not, they are generally pitched in the framework of negatives or scare tactics, and presented as "my way or the highway" imperatives.
If Obama was selling hope and and stressing the "long arc" and "hard work" to achieve goals , Sanders is selling the option of either doom if you cross him or immediate gratification if you hew to his every plan. I'm not on board with that kind of approach.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
EveHammond13
(2,855 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
elfin
(6,262 posts)A battle between the extreme right and extreme left? No thank you.
Media of all political bents would love it for the adrenalized rage and anticipation of things spinning out of control at rallies etc. More ratings. More excitement. More$.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(296,848 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
okaawhatever
(9,457 posts)independent voters who voted for Trump in 2016 but won't vote for him again.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(144,920 posts)Link to tweet
Now he has gone into full attack-and-destroy mode, targeting in a vitriolic letter the Center for American Progress, a left-leaning think tank that has advanced, for example, a health-care plan that expands Medicare but is distinct from the Sanders Medicare-for-all plan, and CAP Action Fund, CAPs political arm.....
Whats the reason for his letter? One can surmise its about working the refs, trying to intimidate others from criticizing his ideas or him. Sanderss effort is downright bizarre, when you think about it. Imagine if Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) railed at the New York Times editorial page, demanding more praise, or if Sen. Kamala D. Harris (D-Calif.) demanded the Nation be more friendly. A Democratic veteran of many campaigns (not associated with CAP) observes, This is disgracefully Trumpian, as Sanders desperately tries to create a fake controversy to change the subject on the eve of the release of his tax returns. If he cant take some accurate, fairly lighthearted ribbing from a progressive source, hes proving that hed be incapable of weathering the general election hurricane that Trump would unleash.....
We already have a president who cant take the rough and tumble of politics and wants to silence critics. I find it hard to imagine that Democrats want someone who might be just as touchy and intolerant of criticism.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(144,920 posts)Link to tweet
I think his tone in general is too Trumplike. Its based on anger, said Greg Hale, a longtime Democratic presidential campaign adviser who worked for Clinton in 2016. We all need to be together and we need to have a positive message, not a negative message.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(296,848 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(144,920 posts)No one took sanders seriously and so he was not vetted. Vetting is important I amso glad that sanders is being vetted this cycle https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/01/28/why-bernie-sanders-has-an-uphill-climb-ahead/?utm_term=.1b4f90c2a717
Which is what we could say about the Sanders candidacy as a whole: Theres no way to know how its going to go. But hes got his work cut out for him.
See also https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/19/politics/bernie-sanders-2020-campaign-donald-trump/index.html?utm_source=twCNNp&utm_content=2019-02-20T14%3A52%3A07&utm_term=image&utm_medium=social%C2%A0
One of the secrets to Sanders' success in 2016 was that no one -- most especially Clinton -- thought he had any chance of going anywhere in the race. Clinton largely ignored him for the better part of 2015, allowing some problematic parts of Sanders' record for Democrats -- most notably his voting record on guns -- to go unnoticed. (When the race began to tighten, Clinton gently prodded Sanders on guns and health care.) Sanders, too, largely flew under the radar of investigative reporters for major news outlets who were busy looking into Clinton, Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio and others seen as more viable candidates. (That reality clearly benefited Donald Trump in the early days of the campaign, as well.)
Sanders will get no pass -- from either the media or his fellow candidates -- this time around. He is among the frontrunners -- and will be treated as such. His wife's time as president of Burlington College could well come up. And his opponents will do a deep dive into his nearly 30 years of votes as a member of the House and Senate. This is all very normal stuff in a campaign. But not for Sanders.
Now we can see how sanders reacts to being vetted
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It also raised questions as to whether the senator was ready for the scrutiny that would come from being a frontrunning candidate, after having run as an insurgent against an ideal foil, Hillary Clinton, in 2016.
When youre leading in the polls of president of your party you should expect investigative stories to hit at least once a week and to be attacked by your opponents every day, said Ben Labolt, who served as press secretary to Barack Obama during the 2012 campaign. An attack on something like ThinkProgress is the sign of a super-narrow-minded campaign that isnt actually thinking of how the election will be won... They have chosen an establishment force that no one outside of the Starbucks at 16th and K would recognize.
I am glad that sanders is being vetted
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(296,848 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
samnsara
(17,605 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
samnsara
(17,605 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dlk
(11,513 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(144,920 posts)I agree with Reines that the NYT article was crap
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden