Why is this long dead talking point still being propped up?

[Blue_Tires]

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Jesus...

Link to tweet

Edit: No kiddies, racists will not all of a sudden stop being racist even with slightly higher paying jobs...

[brooklynite]

1. It's not dead...

Trump's win came on the back of his 35% base, which he won't lose, and 10%-12% of disaffected voters (some previously voting for Obama) who felt that they were being ignored by politicians in both Parties. Those are gettable; I'm just not sure it's possible by Bernie.

[Trenzalore]

7. You won't get the white guys

They are not gettable. It is cultural. Your better bet is turning out young people and people of color. Bernie may have an argument on youth.

[Trenzalore]

14. I am a white middle age guy living in a former rust belt city

About 3 days a week I have a beer at a local American Legion or Fire company. None of those white guys at that bar are gettable. They should be but they love the guy.

[Adrahil]

19. Same experience

I live in Indiana...

These folks are largely gone. They bought the Trump lie hook, line, and sinker, and it's now dogma. They are assholes and PROUD of it.

[Trenzalore]

20. Better to give Millennials and People of Color something to vote for

Than chasing people trying to turn America back to something it never was.

[MrsCoffee]

22. Hey your ellipses are coming back!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

9. Sherrod Brown or Joe Biden could get them, or at least some of them.

[leftofcool]

21. Yes they could

[marylandblue]

30. That's why I like Brown, he's appealing to both left and the reachable right

[CrossingTheRubicon]

12. I can think of someone far better positioned: Joe Biden.

And Biden would unify the whole party. BS is too divisive.

[CrossingTheRubicon]

16. Wrong on all fronts.

And the poll you site shows that Biden is the strong second choice of BS supported.

So a Biden led ticket woul not only unite the Democratic Party, it would appeal to supporters of BS.

[rgbecker]

39. Don't forget tax returns, not a Democrat, and too Grumpy!

You're selling yourself short.

Biden is lovable, rides the subway and so far isn't running.

[George II]

47. Biden doesn't ride the subway, he rides Amtrak.

[EffieBlack]

24. The only way to get these "white, male, blue collar, union guys" who are still not voting Democratic

is to convince them that women, minorities, LGBTQ will be kicked to the curb.

Because at that point, our presence and prominence in the Democratic Party is the ONLY reason those guys are staying away and supporting Republicans.

So, no thank you. I'm fine with them staying right where they are. We can more than make up for their continued absence by expanding our base. We certainly won't do ourselves any favors by pretending hiding our folk in the back of the bus.

[Garrett78]

44. The hand-wringing over white males and the economic anxiety myth is more than I can stomach.

[Blue_Tires]

36. You must have missed the part

where "the economy" ranked like #8 among Trump voters and "immigration" was #1

[TCJ70]

2. Not all Trump voters are racists...

...but they sure are comfortable being extremely racist adjacent.

[SidDithers]

32. +1...

Sid

[Cha]

3. 'Cause BS keeps pushing it..

Research Finds That Racism, Sexism, and Status Fears Drove Trump Voters

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Two new studies suggest Trump broadened the Republican Party's appeal by tapping into deep-seated anxieties and prejudices.

https://psmag.com/news/research-finds-that-racism-sexism-and-status-fears-drove-trump-voters

[WeekiWater]

5. He has lost them. Confirmation from ex-Bro #1

https://m.

[Trenzalore]

6. People that think this

Need to spend time in a bar in the rust belt in a predominantly white lower to middle-class area and listen to the discussions when it comes to politics without identifying themselves as a democrat.

[Docreed2003]

29. +1.

[Empowerer]

41. I would, but I'm black and don't feel at all comfortable or even safe in those places

... which pretty much tells me what I need to know.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. The research

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The research indicates that the lion's share of Obama-Trump voters were motivated by cultural anxiety , i.e. racial anxiety and not economic anxiety.



ON EDIT-Never has so much work went into getting one sentence right, smh.

[EffieBlack]

25. "Cultural anxiety" goes hand-in-hand with racial anxiety.

Cultural anxiety is largely based on racial resentment. You can't separate them.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. Wow. I edited it. I wrote the opposite of what I intended to mean.

[EffieBlack]

27. Got it!

[Garrett78]

45. An article I've shared many times when this topic comes up:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/slate.com/news-and-politics/2016/11/why-did-some-white-obama-voters-for-trump.amp

[DemocratSinceBirth]

46. TY

[Hassin Bin Sober]

15. Because not calling potential voters names costs nothing and at the very least doesn't motivate them

Let these people stay pissed at trump. Why give them any motivation.

[Trenzalore]

17. Is there any indication these people are displeased with Trump?

The ones I know in this demographic love the guy.

[EffieBlack]

28. And if anyone still supports Trump, Democrats NOT calling them names isn't going to change anything

I'm done with being nice to these people and I'm done with being told to be nice to them.

I'm not going to go out of my way to trash them, but I'm also not going to twist myself into knots trying not to offend them.

Oh - and calling racists racists isn't name calling. It's truth telling.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

33. I don't hang around with trump voters so I only know what I read in the news.

When elections all around the country are being won and lost by razor thin margins it makes sense not to call names.

Calling out racism and bigotry is great. But calling the opponent’s voters names is a bad case of foot in mouth syndrome. Fortunately most of our candidates aren’t that arrogant to think they have it in the bag and can do dumb things.

[rgbecker]

40. +1

[Starry Messenger]

18. You know why

Politics has a white savior complex

[Demsrule86]

34. I believe Sen. Sanders know he can't win with Democrats so he hopes Republicans will help him

in primary states he can't outright win. He seems to think conservative voters will also vote for him in the General and that Democratic voters desperate to rid themselves of Trump will vote for him as a last resort...could be right. I would vote for him in a general. However I don't think this will work in the primaries and could lead to a long and bitter primary which we don't need. We must win in 20.

[Mr. Smith]

35. The Five Types of Trump Voters

I find this sort of analysis much more compelling than "they're all racists."

https://www.voterstudygroup.org/publications/2016-elections/the-five-types-trump-voters

Key Findings

This analysis finds five unique clusters of Trump voters: American Preservationists (20%), Staunch Conservatives (31%), Anti-Elites (19%), Free Marketeers (25%), and the Disengaged (5%)

There is no such thing as “one kind of Trump voter” who voted for him for one single reason. Many voted with enthusiasm for Trump while others held their noses and voted against Hillary Clinton.

Trump voters hold very different views on a wide variety of issues including immigration, race, American identity, moral traditionalism, trade, and economics.

Four issues distinguish Trump voters from non-Trump voters: attitudes toward Hillary Clinton, evaluations of the economy, views about illegal immigration, and views about Muslim immigration.

Introduction

The surprising rise of Donald Trump in the Republican primaries and his victory in the November 2016 presidential election defied predictions of pundits and pollsters alike. Elections observers have sought a straightforward explanation for Trump’s success, such as Rust-Belt anxieties, the plight of the white working class, racism, nativism, nationalism, authoritarianism, collective narcissism, Americanism, and so forth. Many also acknowledge that a combination of these factors may have been key.

Throughout most of the debate, however, there has been a tendency to think of Trump voters as a homogenous bloc with similar tastes and motivations. Articles with titles such as “There is No Such Thing as a Good Trump Voter” give rise to the impression that most Trump voters are driven by the same motivations and policy priorities.(i) Furthermore, the presumption has been that since Trump has belabored the immigration issue his voters must also share his immigration concerns.

Political science research has tended to use regression analysis to identify which dispositions best predict voting for Trump. These models inherently assume each Trump voter places equal weight on each policy issue measured. For example, if a model finds that immigration anxieties are highly predictive of a Trump vote, many assume this means all Trump voters are equally highly anxious about immigration. It may be, however, that some are concerned about immigration, while others are not. These models cannot distinguish between the two possibilities.

There is reason to believe that Trump voters did cast their November ballots for different reasons. The 17 candidates who competed for the Republican primary nomination remind us that when Republican primary voters had other options, many chose someone other than Trump. In the early primaries held during February and March, Trump garnered only about a third (36 percent) while a majority (64 percent) of Republican primary voters cast their ballots for Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, John Kasich, or one of the other candidates.(1),(ii) If Trump embodied the core values and views of the Republican Party, why didn’t he win a strong majority of their votes in the early primaries?

Trump brought home most of these other Republican voters in November, garnering about 94 percent of the Republican primary voters and 79 percent of all Republicans surveyed.

But it raises questions about the composition of the Trump vote. Should it be viewed as a homogenous bloc, or perhaps more correctly as a coalition? Do Trump voters share the same set of concerns, anxieties, and motivations, or perhaps did these voters pull the lever for Trump for different reasons?

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[Blue_Tires]

37. They're not "all racists"

but they have proven beyond all reasonable doubt that they have no problems whatsoever with Trump's race-baiting and racist policies...

[Mr. Smith]

38. We'll see about that next year.

We already got one glance at how people feel about the Trump GOP in November.

[Empowerer]

42. I don't know or care if they're racist. I know that they willingly provided the votes

that put racists in charge of the country. That's virtually the same thing.

[betsuni]

43. He still believes they voted because of economic anxiety.

If they only hear his identity-politics-free economic message the scales will fall from their eyes and they will unite as workers to vote in their own interest.