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Tue Feb 26, 2019, 08:25 AM

 

Why is this long dead talking point still being propped up?

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Jesus...




Edit: No kiddies, racists will not all of a sudden stop being racist even with slightly higher paying jobs...
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Blue_Tires Feb 2019 OP
brooklynite Feb 2019 #1
Name removed Feb 2019 #4
Trenzalore Feb 2019 #7
Name removed Feb 2019 #8
Trenzalore Feb 2019 #14
Adrahil Feb 2019 #19
Trenzalore Feb 2019 #20
Name removed Feb 2019 #23
MrsCoffee Feb 2019 #22
The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2019 #9
Name removed Feb 2019 #10
leftofcool Feb 2019 #21
marylandblue Feb 2019 #30
CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #12
Name removed Feb 2019 #13
CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #16
rgbecker Feb 2019 #39
George II Feb 2019 #47
EffieBlack Feb 2019 #24
Garrett78 Feb 2019 #44
Blue_Tires Feb 2019 #36
TCJ70 Feb 2019 #2
SidDithers Feb 2019 #32
Cha Feb 2019 #3
WeekiWater Feb 2019 #5
Trenzalore Feb 2019 #6
Docreed2003 Feb 2019 #29
Empowerer Feb 2019 #41
DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #11
EffieBlack Feb 2019 #25
DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #26
EffieBlack Feb 2019 #27
Garrett78 Feb 2019 #45
DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #46
Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2019 #15
Trenzalore Feb 2019 #17
EffieBlack Feb 2019 #28
Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2019 #33
rgbecker Feb 2019 #40
Starry Messenger Feb 2019 #18
Name removed Feb 2019 #31
Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #34
Mr. Smith Feb 2019 #35
Blue_Tires Feb 2019 #37
Mr. Smith Feb 2019 #38
Empowerer Feb 2019 #42
betsuni Feb 2019 #43

Response to Blue_Tires (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 08:28 AM

1. It's not dead...

 

Trump's win came on the back of his 35% base, which he won't lose, and 10%-12% of disaffected voters (some previously voting for Obama) who felt that they were being ignored by politicians in both Parties. Those are gettable; I'm just not sure it's possible by Bernie.
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Tue Feb 26, 2019, 09:03 AM

7. You won't get the white guys

 

They are not gettable. It is cultural. Your better bet is turning out young people and people of color. Bernie may have an argument on youth.
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Tue Feb 26, 2019, 09:24 AM

14. I am a white middle age guy living in a former rust belt city

 

About 3 days a week I have a beer at a local American Legion or Fire company. None of those white guys at that bar are gettable. They should be but they love the guy.
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Response to Trenzalore (Reply #14)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 09:44 AM

19. Same experience

 

I live in Indiana...

These folks are largely gone. They bought the Trump lie hook, line, and sinker, and it's now dogma. They are assholes and PROUD of it.
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Response to Adrahil (Reply #19)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 09:48 AM

20. Better to give Millennials and People of Color something to vote for

 

Than chasing people trying to turn America back to something it never was.
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Tue Feb 26, 2019, 10:01 AM

22. Hey your ellipses are coming back!

 

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Response to Name removed (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 09:05 AM

9. Sherrod Brown or Joe Biden could get them, or at least some of them.

 

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Tue Feb 26, 2019, 09:55 AM

21. Yes they could

 

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #9)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 10:46 AM

30. That's why I like Brown, he's appealing to both left and the reachable right

 

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Response to Name removed (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 09:19 AM

12. I can think of someone far better positioned: Joe Biden.

 

And Biden would unify the whole party. BS is too divisive.
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Tue Feb 26, 2019, 09:33 AM

16. Wrong on all fronts.

 

And the poll you site shows that Biden is the strong second choice of BS supported.

So a Biden led ticket woul not only unite the Democratic Party, it would appeal to supporters of BS.
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Response to CrossingTheRubicon (Reply #12)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 04:10 PM

39. Don't forget tax returns, not a Democrat, and too Grumpy!

 

You're selling yourself short.

Biden is lovable, rides the subway and so far isn't running.
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Response to rgbecker (Reply #39)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 09:34 PM

47. Biden doesn't ride the subway, he rides Amtrak.

 

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Response to Name removed (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 10:22 AM

24. The only way to get these "white, male, blue collar, union guys" who are still not voting Democratic

 

is to convince them that women, minorities, LGBTQ will be kicked to the curb.

Because at that point, our presence and prominence in the Democratic Party is the ONLY reason those guys are staying away and supporting Republicans.

So, no thank you. I'm fine with them staying right where they are. We can more than make up for their continued absence by expanding our base. We certainly won't do ourselves any favors by pretending hiding our folk in the back of the bus.
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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #24)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 05:43 PM

44. The hand-wringing over white males and the economic anxiety myth is more than I can stomach.

 

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 01:42 PM

36. You must have missed the part

 

where "the economy" ranked like #8 among Trump voters and "immigration" was #1
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Response to Blue_Tires (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 08:33 AM

2. Not all Trump voters are racists...

 

...but they sure are comfortable being extremely racist adjacent.
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Response to TCJ70 (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 11:13 AM

32. +1...

 




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Response to Blue_Tires (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 08:40 AM

3. 'Cause BS keeps pushing it..

 

Research Finds That Racism, Sexism, and Status Fears Drove Trump Voters

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Two new studies suggest Trump broadened the Republican Party's appeal by tapping into deep-seated anxieties and prejudices.

https://psmag.com/news/research-finds-that-racism-sexism-and-status-fears-drove-trump-voters
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Response to Blue_Tires (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 08:48 AM

5. He has lost them. Confirmation from ex-Bro #1

 

https://m.

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Response to Blue_Tires (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 08:59 AM

6. People that think this

 

Need to spend time in a bar in the rust belt in a predominantly white lower to middle-class area and listen to the discussions when it comes to politics without identifying themselves as a democrat.
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Response to Trenzalore (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 10:38 AM

29. +1.

 

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Response to Trenzalore (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 05:21 PM

41. I would, but I'm black and don't feel at all comfortable or even safe in those places

 

... which pretty much tells me what I need to know.
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Response to Blue_Tires (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 09:11 AM

11. The research

 

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The research indicates that the lion's share of Obama-Trump voters were motivated by cultural anxiety , i.e. racial anxiety and not economic anxiety.



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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #11)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 10:24 AM

25. "Cultural anxiety" goes hand-in-hand with racial anxiety.

 

Cultural anxiety is largely based on racial resentment. You can't separate them.
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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #25)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 10:26 AM

26. Wow. I edited it. I wrote the opposite of what I intended to mean.

 

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #26)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 10:32 AM

27. Got it!

 

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #11)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 05:45 PM

45. An article I've shared many times when this topic comes up:

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/slate.com/news-and-politics/2016/11/why-did-some-white-obama-voters-for-trump.amp
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Response to Garrett78 (Reply #45)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 05:57 PM

46. TY

 

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Response to Blue_Tires (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 09:28 AM

15. Because not calling potential voters names costs nothing and at the very least doesn't motivate them

 

Let these people stay pissed at trump. Why give them any motivation.
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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #15)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 09:37 AM

17. Is there any indication these people are displeased with Trump?

 

The ones I know in this demographic love the guy.
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Response to Trenzalore (Reply #17)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 10:35 AM

28. And if anyone still supports Trump, Democrats NOT calling them names isn't going to change anything

 

I'm done with being nice to these people and I'm done with being told to be nice to them.

I'm not going to go out of my way to trash them, but I'm also not going to twist myself into knots trying not to offend them.

Oh - and calling racists racists isn't name calling. It's truth telling.
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Response to Trenzalore (Reply #17)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 11:16 AM

33. I don't hang around with trump voters so I only know what I read in the news.

 

When elections all around the country are being won and lost by razor thin margins it makes sense not to call names.

Calling out racism and bigotry is great. But calling the opponent’s voters names is a bad case of foot in mouth syndrome. Fortunately most of our candidates aren’t that arrogant to think they have it in the bag and can do dumb things.
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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #33)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 04:17 PM

40. +1

 

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Response to Blue_Tires (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 09:37 AM

18. You know why

 

Politics has a white savior complex
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Response to Blue_Tires (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 11:17 AM

34. I believe Sen. Sanders know he can't win with Democrats so he hopes Republicans will help him

 

in primary states he can't outright win. He seems to think conservative voters will also vote for him in the General and that Democratic voters desperate to rid themselves of Trump will vote for him as a last resort...could be right. I would vote for him in a general. However I don't think this will work in the primaries and could lead to a long and bitter primary which we don't need. We must win in 20.
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Response to Blue_Tires (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 01:24 PM

35. The Five Types of Trump Voters

 

I find this sort of analysis much more compelling than "they're all racists."

https://www.voterstudygroup.org/publications/2016-elections/the-five-types-trump-voters

Key Findings

This analysis finds five unique clusters of Trump voters: American Preservationists (20%), Staunch Conservatives (31%), Anti-Elites (19%), Free Marketeers (25%), and the Disengaged (5%)

There is no such thing as “one kind of Trump voter” who voted for him for one single reason. Many voted with enthusiasm for Trump while others held their noses and voted against Hillary Clinton.

Trump voters hold very different views on a wide variety of issues including immigration, race, American identity, moral traditionalism, trade, and economics.

Four issues distinguish Trump voters from non-Trump voters: attitudes toward Hillary Clinton, evaluations of the economy, views about illegal immigration, and views about Muslim immigration.

Introduction

The surprising rise of Donald Trump in the Republican primaries and his victory in the November 2016 presidential election defied predictions of pundits and pollsters alike. Elections observers have sought a straightforward explanation for Trump’s success, such as Rust-Belt anxieties, the plight of the white working class, racism, nativism, nationalism, authoritarianism, collective narcissism, Americanism, and so forth. Many also acknowledge that a combination of these factors may have been key.

Throughout most of the debate, however, there has been a tendency to think of Trump voters as a homogenous bloc with similar tastes and motivations. Articles with titles such as “There is No Such Thing as a Good Trump Voter” give rise to the impression that most Trump voters are driven by the same motivations and policy priorities.(i) Furthermore, the presumption has been that since Trump has belabored the immigration issue his voters must also share his immigration concerns.

Political science research has tended to use regression analysis to identify which dispositions best predict voting for Trump. These models inherently assume each Trump voter places equal weight on each policy issue measured. For example, if a model finds that immigration anxieties are highly predictive of a Trump vote, many assume this means all Trump voters are equally highly anxious about immigration. It may be, however, that some are concerned about immigration, while others are not. These models cannot distinguish between the two possibilities.

There is reason to believe that Trump voters did cast their November ballots for different reasons. The 17 candidates who competed for the Republican primary nomination remind us that when Republican primary voters had other options, many chose someone other than Trump. In the early primaries held during February and March, Trump garnered only about a third (36 percent) while a majority (64 percent) of Republican primary voters cast their ballots for Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, John Kasich, or one of the other candidates.(1),(ii) If Trump embodied the core values and views of the Republican Party, why didn’t he win a strong majority of their votes in the early primaries?

Trump brought home most of these other Republican voters in November, garnering about 94 percent of the Republican primary voters and 79 percent of all Republicans surveyed.

But it raises questions about the composition of the Trump vote. Should it be viewed as a homogenous bloc, or perhaps more correctly as a coalition? Do Trump voters share the same set of concerns, anxieties, and motivations, or perhaps did these voters pull the lever for Trump for different reasons?

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Response to Mr. Smith (Reply #35)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 01:44 PM

37. They're not "all racists"

 

but they have proven beyond all reasonable doubt that they have no problems whatsoever with Trump's race-baiting and racist policies...
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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #37)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 04:03 PM

38. We'll see about that next year.

 

We already got one glance at how people feel about the Trump GOP in November.
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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #37)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 05:24 PM

42. I don't know or care if they're racist. I know that they willingly provided the votes

 

that put racists in charge of the country. That's virtually the same thing.
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Response to Blue_Tires (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 05:37 PM

43. He still believes they voted because of economic anxiety.

 

If they only hear his identity-politics-free economic message the scales will fall from their eyes and they will unite as workers to vote in their own interest.
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