Fri Apr 19, 2019, 09:37 AM

lapucelle (8,919 posts)

Has there been any reaction from BS or the BS campaign about page 23 of the Mueller report?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Elizabeth Warren

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Has there been any reaction from BS or the BS campaign about page 23 of the Mueller report? (Original post)	lapucelle	Apr 2019	OP
Yes. His Press Secretary responded.	WeekiWater	Apr 2019	#1
Wasn't the BS press secretary one of the people who was potentially duped and manipulated	lapucelle	Apr 2019	#4
Whoa.	cwydro	Apr 2019	#28
She does. nt	Kahuna7	Apr 2019	#73
and she refers to Sanders as "Daddy"	JI7	Apr 2019	#87
What?	oasis	Apr 2019	#39
brie is such a charming	Cha	Apr 2019	#45
I wonder if she still agrees with Donald Trump about Russian interference.	lapucelle	Apr 2019	#48
Yeah, brie needs to be called out on	Cha	Apr 2019	#53
More brie Nonsense..	Cha	Apr 2019	#72
She's a horrid person. I hardly thing she's the one to be lecturing anyone about "unity" or civility	NurseJackie	Apr 2019	#68
No, brie would be the last one	Cha	Apr 2019	#69
Ah, Briahna Joy Gray...	radical noodle	Apr 2019	#14
I question Briahna's "facts".	LiberalFighter	Apr 2019	#65
Will Bernie blame Hillary again?	comradebillyboy	Apr 2019	#2
That is a direct quote, but it's not evidence?	rzemanfl	Apr 2019	#5
Yeah, Mueller always asks for an indictment without evidence	dalton99a	Apr 2019	#7
I can't help but be reminded of the data breach issue and wonder if it's related	Indygram	Apr 2019	#12
Excellent point - and they lied about it too:	dalton99a	Apr 2019	#15
Ahhh . . .yes! The memories and endless excuses regarding	peggysue2	Apr 2019	#50
I've always suspected as much n/t	radical noodle	Apr 2019	#16
I'm suspecting that as well	BlueFlorida	Apr 2019	#20
Dalton99a, do you by any chance have a link to the Mueller report? nt	GemDigger	Apr 2019	#25
Try this one:	dalton99a	Apr 2019	#26
Thank you. nt	GemDigger	Apr 2019	#32
So there are two who are balking about Mueller's conclusions - DJT and BS.	George II	Apr 2019	#42
Yes, he did.	vsrazdem	Apr 2019	#3
BS said nothing in that statement about the information on page 23 of the Mueller report.	lapucelle	Apr 2019	#9
Better yet...has he told his supporters they were targeted, tricked and manipulated?	Indygram	Apr 2019	#13
I don't think BS has acknowledged the extent of the Russian interference.	lapucelle	Apr 2019	#21
Of course...	Mike Nelson	Apr 2019	#6
The evidence is that there was a wide ranging effort to divide the Democratic party by ANY means.	Ford_Prefect	Apr 2019	#8
But someone was coopted to do it	BlueFlorida	Apr 2019	#18
Are you saying he knowingly cooperated with Russian support with the intent of destabilizing	Ford_Prefect	Apr 2019	#23
You have to admit that suspicion is understandable when he doesn't speak up	Indygram	Apr 2019	#27
I agree that some of his supporters pitch outrageous filth at other candidates. It confusing	Ford_Prefect	Apr 2019	#34
Did he do any of the following things?	BlueFlorida	Apr 2019	#30
I agree he seems to do little to discipline or supervise his followers.	Ford_Prefect	Apr 2019	#35
Voting against Russian sanctions multiple times should raise suspicion.	MrsCoffee	Apr 2019	#41
That too	Indygram	Apr 2019	#46
Believe it or not, some people seem to think that BS is the victim rather than the Democratic Party,	lapucelle	Apr 2019	#56
Yes, those are legitimate questions and concerns. I have similar doubts about the new campaign.	Ford_Prefect	Apr 2019	#61
shrug nt	BlueFlorida	Apr 2019	#47
This	artislife	Apr 2019	#70
Bingo	emmaverybo	Apr 2019	#24
We already knew the GOP & russia were working together to divide the party by using released DNC	yaesu	Apr 2019	#10
yup	shanny	Apr 2019	#11
It was used to inflame one group of supporters	BlueFlorida	Apr 2019	#19
Weren't the emails released during the general election season?	lapucelle	Apr 2019	#22
yep,during the GE,then DWS quit	Go Vols	Apr 2019	#29
Since it was the general election, it's a shame that for some the focus was on a myth	lapucelle	Apr 2019	#33
Thanks for brie's stupid tweet about trump..	Cha	Apr 2019	#49
There are screenshots of lots of her 2016 general election stupid tweets.	lapucelle	Apr 2019	#52
Yeah, brie and stein.. what a duo.	Cha	Apr 2019	#54
They're hoping no one would notice nt	BlueFlorida	Apr 2019	#17
Of course.	Cha	Apr 2019	#51
im sure their support for BS was not that they liked him more..they just hated HRC that much..	samnsara	Apr 2019	#31
Part of any good reaction here should start with not blaming the victim	floppyboo	Apr 2019	#36
I agree that blaming HRC is divisive and counter productive.	lapucelle	Apr 2019	#37
"but he did it first!" What-about... Right.	floppyboo	Apr 2019	#38
But who did what first? What are you talking about?	lapucelle	Apr 2019	#40
did you look back at your post?	floppyboo	Apr 2019	#43
"Bernie blames Hillary for allowing Russian interference	lapucelle	Apr 2019	#44
Victim?	BlueFlorida	Apr 2019	#55
The Democratic Party, our 2016 GE presidential and vice presidential candidates,	lapucelle	Apr 2019	#57
Yes	BlueFlorida	Apr 2019	#58
I gathered as much.	lapucelle	Apr 2019	#60
Sanders is now a Russia target, along with a few other Dem candidates	Tom Rinaldo	Apr 2019	#59
Thanks for this reasoned response.	progressoid	Apr 2019	#62
BS is not mentioned in the story as being negatively targeted yet.	lapucelle	Apr 2019	#63
They play all sides against each other. Whatever works	Tom Rinaldo	Apr 2019	#64
That's why it's important that no candidates inadvertently embrace a divisive Russia-generated	lapucelle	Apr 2019	#66
Agreed. No campaign is immune, nor are non affiliated activists. Trolls are pervasive n/t	Tom Rinaldo	Apr 2019	#67
hmm...rich. nt	artislife	Apr 2019	#71
Right?	Hassin Bin Sober	Apr 2019	#74
Look at the journal	artislife	Apr 2019	#81
I know.	Hassin Bin Sober	Apr 2019	#86
...	lapucelle	Apr 2019	#93
It's not "rich", it's fact. Calling out hypocrisy and	R B Garr	Apr 2019	#92
Why would any Democratic candidate hire people who helped to put Trump in the White House?	lapucelle	Apr 2019	#94
It is a huge clue about priorities!	R B Garr	Apr 2019	#95
Yes! Also, as you said, Sanders needs to acknowledge	R B Garr	Apr 2019	#90
No he is not. Pubbies and Russia still want Sanders.	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#76
Holy shit. I always thought this was the case may there it is in black	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#75
There are a lot of redactions around that quote	lapucelle	Apr 2019	#77
You think maybe the Russian princess Jill is under investigation?	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#78
Wow, I did't think of that. However, Jill strikes me as a useful idiot	lapucelle	Apr 2019	#79
Yeah you are right.	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#83
THe Funny Thing	Me.	Apr 2019	#80
That would be Michael Stoker.	progressoid	Apr 2019	#84
He May've Used It	Me.	Apr 2019	#85
Your first link doesn't work	progressoid	Apr 2019	#96
Perhaps You Missed The Part Where Manafort & Devine Were Partners	Me.	Apr 2019	#97
I'd like to see Briahna Joy Gray explain this part of the Mueller Report	Cha	Apr 2019	#82
Thank you for sharing this. I can't wait for the debates.	lapucelle	Apr 2019	#88
She Can't	Me.	Apr 2019	#89
brie on trump.. that's how she explains..	Cha	Apr 2019	#98
Nice Hire By BS	Me.	Apr 2019	#100
Yeah, it's the	Cha	Apr 2019	#101
Happy Holiday (?)	Me.	Apr 2019	#102
Same to you, Me..	Cha	Apr 2019	#103
Great find, Cha!	R B Garr	Apr 2019	#91
And, the country will get neither.. just more gaslight..	Cha	Apr 2019	#99

Response to lapucelle (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 09:40 AM

WeekiWater (3,259 posts)

1. Yes. His Press Secretary responded.

Link to tweet

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to WeekiWater (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 09:52 AM

lapucelle (8,919 posts)

4. Wasn't the BS press secretary one of the people who was potentially duped and manipulated

by the Russian disinformation campaign?

She did wind up voting for one of Putin's stooges.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Elizabeth Warren

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #4)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 12:30 PM

cwydro (34,648 posts)

28. Whoa.

She works for Bernie?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Elizabeth Warren

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Response to cwydro (Reply #28)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 05:21 PM

Kahuna7 (2,257 posts)

73. She does. nt

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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to cwydro (Reply #28)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 01:29 AM

JI7 (75,656 posts)

87. and she refers to Sanders as "Daddy"

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #4)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 01:56 PM

oasis (42,499 posts)

39. What?

.....

.......

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #4)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 02:36 PM

Cha (239,200 posts)

45. brie is such a charming

***.

What the hell is going on with the all the redaction?!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Cha (Reply #45)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 02:40 PM

lapucelle (8,919 posts)

48. I wonder if she still agrees with Donald Trump about Russian interference.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Elizabeth Warren

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #48)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 02:48 PM

Cha (239,200 posts)

53. Yeah, brie needs to be called out on

that stupidity. She was for stein.. and of course stein didn't want the Russians accused of anything untoward.

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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #48)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 05:06 PM

Cha (239,200 posts)

72. More brie Nonsense..

Link to tweet

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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Cha (Reply #45)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:53 PM

NurseJackie (27,458 posts)

68. She's a horrid person. I hardly thing she's the one to be lecturing anyone about "unity" or civility

GFG!

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #68)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:56 PM

Cha (239,200 posts)

69. No, brie would be the last one

TIED with sirota, turner, and BS.

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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to WeekiWater (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 10:42 AM

radical noodle (6,732 posts)

14. Ah, Briahna Joy Gray...

the Stein voter.

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primary today, I would vote for: Pete Buttigieg

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Response to WeekiWater (Reply #1)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:16 PM

LiberalFighter (38,554 posts)

65. I question Briahna's "facts".

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primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to lapucelle (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 09:46 AM

comradebillyboy (6,663 posts)

2. Will Bernie blame Hillary again?

"Bernie blames Hillary for allowing Russian interference"

The senator and his top political adviser also denied Mueller's assertion that Russian actors backed his campaign.

Bernie Sanders on Wednesday blamed Hillary Clinton for not doing more to stop the Russian attack on the last presidential election. Then his 2016 campaign manager, in an interview with POLITICO, said he’s seen no evidence to support special counsel Robert Mueller's assertion in an indictment last week that the Russian operation had backed Sanders' campaign.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/21/bernie-sanders-trump-russia-interference-420528

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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 09:54 AM

rzemanfl (23,379 posts)

5. That is a direct quote, but it's not evidence?

With a footnote. WTAF? On edit, the footnote is redacted.

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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 09:57 AM

dalton99a (42,801 posts)

7. Yeah, Mueller always asks for an indictment without evidence

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #7)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 10:27 AM

Indygram (2,113 posts)

12. I can't help but be reminded of the data breach issue and wonder if it's related

For anyone who forgot:
http://time.com/4155185/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-data/

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Response to Indygram (Reply #12)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 10:45 AM

dalton99a (42,801 posts)

15. Excellent point - and they lied about it too:

https://www.cnn.com/2015/12/18/politics/sanders-dnc-data-breach-josh-uretsky/index.html
Fired Sanders aide: I wasn't peeking at Clinton data files
By Dan Merica
Updated 9:22 AM ET, Fri December 18, 2015

(CNN) The Bernie Sanders campaign staffer who was fired for accessing data unique to the Hillary Clinton campaign's vote file, told CNN on Friday that he was only trying to "understand how badly the Sanders campaign's data was exposed" and not attempting to take data from the Clinton campaign.

"We knew there was a security breach in the data, and we were just trying to understand it and what was happening," said Josh Uretsky, reached by phone on Friday morning, a day after the campaign let him go.

He added, "To the best of my knowledge, nobody took anything that would have given the (Sanders) campaign any benefit."

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

http://time.com/4155185/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-data/
Sanders Campaign's Breach of Clinton Data More Serious Than Disclosed
By Sam Frizell Updated: December 18, 2015 3:48 PM ET

Bernie Sanders’ campaign’s breach of Hillary Clinton’s voter data may have been more extensive than previously reported, according to a person with knowledge of investigation.

According to data reviewed by TIME, the Sanders campaign appears to have obtained files with lists of voters that the Clinton campaign had cultivated in 10 early states including Iowa and New Hampshire.

Beyond simply reviewing the data, the logs show the Sanders staffers took deliberate steps to harvest and store the information. According to the logs, the Sanders staff created from scratch no fewer than 24 lists—consisting entirely of data pulled down from the Clinton campaign’s database—and saved them to their personal folders.

The logs show the Sanders campaign accessed the Clinton data for nearly one hour beginning around 10:40 p.m. Wednesday. The Sanders staffers were apparently able to view unique voter information along with accompanying information about how likely the voters were to vote for the various candidates, crucial information that the Clinton campaign has likely spent millions of dollars to collect.

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #15)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 02:43 PM

peggysue2 (5,459 posts)

50. Ahhh . . .yes! The memories and endless excuses regarding

the breach, and then the height of chutzpah to blame HRC for not doing enough to stop the foreign/Russian instrusion.

Good times!

Will the Sanders campaign react to the Mueller reveal that Putin favored Trump and Sanders? I'm sure they're working to put a spin on the giant turd that Mueller dropped in the punchbowl. Waiting 1 . . .2 . . . 3 . . .

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Response to Indygram (Reply #12)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 10:55 AM

radical noodle (6,732 posts)

16. I've always suspected as much n/t

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Response to Indygram (Reply #12)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 11:02 AM

BlueFlorida (1,532 posts)

20. I'm suspecting that as well

it is as clear to me as night and day.

Did Mueller interview Weaver and Chakraborti?

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #7)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 12:27 PM

GemDigger (2,151 posts)

25. Dalton99a, do you by any chance have a link to the Mueller report? nt

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Response to GemDigger (Reply #25)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 12:29 PM

dalton99a (42,801 posts)

26. Try this one:

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2019/images/04/18/mueller-report-searchable.pdf
(it's about 140MB to download)

or
https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/18/politics/full-mueller-report-pdf/index.html

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #26)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 01:00 PM

GemDigger (2,151 posts)

32. Thank you. nt

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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 02:09 PM

George II (45,896 posts)

42. So there are two who are balking about Mueller's conclusions - DJT and BS.

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Response to lapucelle (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 09:50 AM

vsrazdem (1,266 posts)

3. Yes, he did.

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) called on Thursday for Congress to continue an investigation into Russia’s role in the 2016 presidential election and whether President Trump sought to obstruct a law enforcement probe into the matter.

Sanders also said that lawmakers should take steps to bolster security ahead of future elections, suggesting that the president and congressional Republicans had so far stood in the way of such work.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/439592-sanders-calls-on-congress-to-investigate-after-mueller-report-release

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Response to vsrazdem (Reply #3)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 10:06 AM

lapucelle (8,919 posts)

9. BS said nothing in that statement about the information on page 23 of the Mueller report.

Has BS reacted to the fact that some of his supporters were targeted, tricked, and manipulated by the Russian disinformation campaign?

It might even be that the members of his campaign who voted for Jill Stein were among the useful idiots that the Russian disinformation campaign created. What else would explain their support of Jill Stein?

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #9)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 10:37 AM

Indygram (2,113 posts)

13. Better yet...has he told his supporters they were targeted, tricked and manipulated?

And apologized for not speaking up to correct lies at the time or even now?

That is part of the reason why I just don't and can't trust him. The same damn thing is happening again and still complete silence on his part.

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primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Indygram (Reply #13)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 11:04 AM

lapucelle (8,919 posts)

21. I don't think BS has acknowledged the extent of the Russian interference.

The effort to promote Sanders as a way to influence the U.S. election began shortly after he declared his candidacy in spring 2015, according to Mueller’s indictment of the Russians. Russia’s aim was to defeat or weaken Clinton, who had angered Russian President Vladimir Putin when she had been secretary of state.

snip=======================================

Hopefully BS and his campaign will avoid RT this cycle.

During the primaries, Sanders gave at least three interviews to a Russia-controlled television network, RT, in which his trade stance was highlighted. The network in February 2016 criticized MSNBC for breaking away from Sanders after he said he was “helping to lead the opposition to the Trans-Pacific Partnership.” The network posted a story headlined, “Bernie Sanders 'censored' by MSNBC while criticizing trade deal.”

Around the same time that Sanders was featured on RT, Russian employees at the Internet Research Agency were given a document explaining how to influence the U.S. election. The workers were told to “use any opportunity to criticize Hillary and the rest (except Sanders and Trump — we support them),” according to Mueller’s indictment of the Russians.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/inside-the-russian-effort-to-target-sanders-supporters-and-help-elect-trump/ar-BBVRUxa

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Response to lapucelle (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 09:54 AM

Mike Nelson (6,245 posts)

6. Of course...

… the Russians and Trump Campaign don't really support Bernie - in the General Election...

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Response to lapucelle (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 10:05 AM

Ford_Prefect (2,726 posts)

8. The evidence is that there was a wide ranging effort to divide the Democratic party by ANY means.

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Response to Ford_Prefect (Reply #8)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 10:58 AM

BlueFlorida (1,532 posts)

18. But someone was coopted to do it

and was an eager participant.

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Response to BlueFlorida (Reply #18)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 12:19 PM

Ford_Prefect (2,726 posts)

23. Are you saying he knowingly cooperated with Russian support with the intent of destabilizing

the Democratic candidate? Do You assert that his participation was as designated spoiler?

Do you likewise state that his participation in the primary was disingenuous and did not represent legitimate interests of registered Democratic party members and voters?

Do you assert that his fund raising had no legitimate political purpose and was a deception to essentially deny funds to other "legitimate" Democratic candidates?

Do you assert that his actions in the Senate were to act as front for divisive attacks on Democratic candidates and had no purpose regarding the rights or needs of Democrats and American citizens?

Do You assert that the actions of the Russian Trolls were in accord with his political goals and methods?

I ask you to recall the behavior of Donald Segretti and the Rat Fucking gang under Nixon's Campaign and the later actions of Lee Atwater on Reagan's behalf. They engaged in all kinds of illegal behavior to forward their candidates by disrupting the Democratic primaries. Their actions shaped the outcome of the primaries and the elections in ways which benefited or damaged various Democrats along the way. Are you asserting the Democrats who benefited during those primaries were eager and co-opted participants as well?

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Response to Ford_Prefect (Reply #23)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 12:29 PM

Indygram (2,113 posts)

27. You have to admit that suspicion is understandable when he doesn't speak up

And both acknowledge what happened and speak strongly to his supporters about what happened and what is already starting again. At least for me that is why I completely tune him out now. I don't trust him and probably never will be able to again based on his inaction. He is so divisive and if you look on social media there are some of his supporters that seem to devote all of their time to trolling other candidates pages, spreading lies about other candidates running now. You see it on every single Beto live stream where Bernie supporters (they have his photo all over their profiles) spam the chat messages with lies and attacks. The longer he ignores this the more convinced people are likely to become that it's intentional. It is what it is. This is not intended to attack anyone. I'm just trying to explain why there are suspicions.

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Response to Indygram (Reply #27)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 01:18 PM

Ford_Prefect (2,726 posts)

34. I agree that some of his supporters pitch outrageous filth at other candidates. It confusing

to see him apparently ignore the need to either discipline or disavow them.

I am concerned that he seems tone deaf on the need to publicly address the Russian questions. it does not help his causes that he has yet to address this.

I am also very aware of the effect a similar situation had on my favorite ex-senator when the Russian Trolls hyped and amplified #MeToo sentiments. It did Al Franken no good at all to ignore events and implications, and defer comment. It amplified reasonable suspicions and allowed those with agendas to drown out the truth.

I saw the activities of the DNC on the ground during the primaries in NC. They did everything they could above and below board to deny progressive voices in the NC Democratic party. Between GOP and Russian interference and dis-information, and the actions of the DNC and our own NC party there was much ammunition for doubt and suspicion regarding Democratic goals and methods. Bernie and his people didn't create that doubt. Any Democrat speaking to progressive issues got the same treatment. Any NC Democratic donor was given a very clear picture of what they were funding and what or who was NOT on the menu.

But that was the last primary and not this one. Surely the DNC and the DCCC have learned from their mistakes?

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Response to Ford_Prefect (Reply #23)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 12:48 PM

BlueFlorida (1,532 posts)

30. Did he do any of the following things?

1. Ask his supporters to not boo Democratic leaders at the convention like John Lewis.
2. Ask his supporters to be respectful at the convention.
3. Refrain from propagating a conspiracy theory that the primary was stolen from him despite losing by 4 million votes.
4. Actively campaign for Hillary to showcase Hillary and her platform instead of promoting OR at her expense.
5. Condemn his campaign stalwarts like Nina Turner, Cornell West, Brihana Gray or David Sirota from promoting Jill Stein.

If the answer is no, you have your answer.

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Response to BlueFlorida (Reply #30)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 01:25 PM

Ford_Prefect (2,726 posts)

35. I agree he seems to do little to discipline or supervise his followers.

I don't argue they are blameless, either. This does not equate with Russian collusion or co-opting, however.

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Response to Ford_Prefect (Reply #35)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 02:04 PM

MrsCoffee (3,880 posts)

41. Voting against Russian sanctions multiple times should raise suspicion.

Tad Devine's involvement with the campaign and the similarities to the campaign Devine and Manafort worked on for Putin should raise suspicion. Insistence until recently that discussion about Russian interference was just a distraction should raise suspicion.

And why is he putting these Jill Stein supporters in top positions in his campaign?

There are legitimate questions and concerns out there.

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primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to MrsCoffee (Reply #41)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 02:39 PM

Indygram (2,113 posts)

46. That too

EOM

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Response to MrsCoffee (Reply #41)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 02:54 PM

lapucelle (8,919 posts)

56. Believe it or not, some people seem to think that BS is the victim rather than the Democratic Party,

our 2016 general election presidential ticket, and the American electorate.

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=76712

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Response to MrsCoffee (Reply #41)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 03:07 PM

Ford_Prefect (2,726 posts)

61. Yes, those are legitimate questions and concerns. I have similar doubts about the new campaign.

I am not defending his present hires. Some of them worry me as to why would he hire them and who may be so advising him.

I was speaking to the past campaign in regards to the charges of co-opting and colluding. Bernie was not Jill Stein AFAIK.

The vote against the sanctions bill was to defeat added, unwarranted Iran sanctions and thus protect the Nuclear agreement. I agree with protecting that deal. The GOP put both together and refused to consider them independently, per Trump and the Neo-Cons.

I will also say I among many others are tired of the animosity seemingly carried over from 2016. If you are looking for a principle cause of that set of events you must begin with the decisions made well prior to the primary season by the DNC and other Democratic leaders to steer the primary towards their preferred candidate and the actions they took long before the Primary to limit fund raising and participation in policy decisions.

I do not accuse them of generating the "defeat". I observe that they acted in the interests of certain influential donors much as they appear to be doing now. The primary chaos which many have tried to blame on Bernie or his followers had many sources including the Russian Trolls and those working for Koch industries, among other GOP patrons. It also derived considerable energy from within our party.

Deep Throat asked Woodward if he understood just how influential those working in the darkness were and suggested they had engineered the choice of 1972 Democratic Candidate. The same groups are busy now modifying the primary process by spinning Democrats against each other and against traditional Democratic causes. Those are the "enemies" of the party IMHO.

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Response to Ford_Prefect (Reply #35)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 02:39 PM

BlueFlorida (1,532 posts)

47. shrug nt

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Response to Ford_Prefect (Reply #23)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 05:02 PM

artislife (9,497 posts)

70. This

You sound like your great candidate. Smart and with a clear vision of what really is going on here.

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Response to BlueFlorida (Reply #18)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 12:24 PM

emmaverybo (5,238 posts)

24. Bingo

Don’t know how the House can manage all the investigations it must do, but the question of who on the American side, witting or unwitting, dem or repub., helped the Russians needs to be answered, Mueller’s report notwithstanding.

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Response to lapucelle (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 10:14 AM

yaesu (2,459 posts)

10. We already knew the GOP & russia were working together to divide the party by using released DNC

emails showing internal communications fueling the tensions between the front runners. It worked &, it seems, we are still fighting it today.

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Response to yaesu (Reply #10)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 10:21 AM

shanny (6,709 posts)

11. yup

chasing our own tails

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Response to yaesu (Reply #10)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 11:00 AM

BlueFlorida (1,532 posts)

19. It was used to inflame one group of supporters

and no one did anything to calm them down and to not be divisive. The division was encouraged due to poor anger management.

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Response to yaesu (Reply #10)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 12:06 PM

lapucelle (8,919 posts)

22. Weren't the emails released during the general election season?

I wonder if Briahna Gray still agrees with Donald Trump about the Russian hacking.

Link to tweet

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #22)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 12:31 PM

Go Vols (5,859 posts)

29. yep,during the GE,then DWS quit

PHILADELPHIA —Democrats arrived at their nominating convention on Sunday under a cloud of discord as Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee, abruptly said she was resigning after a trove of leaked emails showed party officials conspiring to sabotage the campaign of Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/25/us/politics/debbie-wasserman-schultz-dnc-wikileaks-emails.html

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Response to Go Vols (Reply #29)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 01:18 PM

lapucelle (8,919 posts)

33. Since it was the general election, it's a shame that for some the focus was on a myth

rather than the reality

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/25/us/politics/donald-trump-russia-emails.html?module=inline

And that some of the bitter continue to buy into divisive narratives.

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #22)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 02:41 PM

Cha (239,200 posts)

49. Thanks for brie's stupid tweet about trump..

Link to tweet

Disgusting.

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Response to Cha (Reply #49)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 02:44 PM

lapucelle (8,919 posts)

52. There are screenshots of lots of her 2016 general election stupid tweets.

Looks like Brie fell for the Russian propaganda.

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #52)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 02:49 PM

Cha (239,200 posts)

54. Yeah, brie and stein.. what a duo.

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Response to lapucelle (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 10:57 AM

BlueFlorida (1,532 posts)

17. They're hoping no one would notice nt

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Response to BlueFlorida (Reply #17)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 02:43 PM

Cha (239,200 posts)

51. Of course.

Thanks to lapucelle for noticing!

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Response to lapucelle (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 12:50 PM

samnsara (9,518 posts)

31. im sure their support for BS was not that they liked him more..they just hated HRC that much..

..they feared her for good reason.

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Response to lapucelle (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 01:26 PM

floppyboo (2,079 posts)

36. Part of any good reaction here should start with not blaming the victim

or have we learnt nothing. You've got to earn the moral high ground.

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Response to floppyboo (Reply #36)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 01:33 PM

lapucelle (8,919 posts)

37. I agree that blaming HRC is divisive and counter productive.

And you are certainly correct about candidates and their campaign operatives having to earn the moral high ground.

Bernie blames Hillary for allowing Russian interference
The senator and his top political adviser also denied Mueller's assertion that Russian actors backed his campaign.

Bernie Sanders on Wednesday blamed Hillary Clinton for not doing more to stop the Russian attack on the last presidential election. Then his 2016 campaign manager, in an interview with POLITICO, said he’s seen no evidence to support special counsel Robert Mueller's assertion in an indictment last week that the Russian operation had backed Sanders' campaign.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/21/bernie-sanders-trump-russia-interference-420528

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #37)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 01:39 PM

floppyboo (2,079 posts)

38. "but he did it first!" What-about... Right.

I'm talking about this thread. This here and now.
Take responsibility for it.

edit: This thread is specifically aimed at the Mueller report and a specific line. My comment is not about candidates blaming victims. Not about candidates at all. Kind of a wild leap there on your part.

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Response to floppyboo (Reply #38)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 02:03 PM

lapucelle (8,919 posts)

40. But who did what first? What are you talking about?

Has there been any reaction from the BS campaign about the information on page 23 of the Mueller report?

I take full responsibility for asking the question.

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #40)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 02:11 PM

floppyboo (2,079 posts)

43. did you look back at your post?

What does this post, OP you cite above, have to do with the article you replied with?

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Response to floppyboo (Reply #43)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 02:26 PM

lapucelle (8,919 posts)

44. "Bernie blames Hillary for allowing Russian interference

The senator and his top political adviser also denied Mueller's assertion that Russian actors backed his campaign."

Is BS still denying Mueller's assertion that Russian actors backed his campaign?

Does his press secretary still agree with Trump about Russian interference?

Has there been any reaction from BS or the BS campaign about page 23 of the Mueller report?

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Response to floppyboo (Reply #36)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 02:50 PM

BlueFlorida (1,532 posts)

55. Victim?

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Response to BlueFlorida (Reply #55)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 02:57 PM

lapucelle (8,919 posts)

57. The Democratic Party, our 2016 GE presidential and vice presidential candidates,

and the American electorate are the victims.

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #57)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 03:00 PM

BlueFlorida (1,532 posts)

58. Yes

I was laughing at who was referred to as a victim ^^up there^^.

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Response to BlueFlorida (Reply #58)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 03:06 PM

lapucelle (8,919 posts)

60. I gathered as much.

It's stunning that anyone would think BS is the victim here. How was he or his campaign harmed?

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Response to lapucelle (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 03:03 PM

Tom Rinaldo (20,043 posts)

59. Sanders is now a Russia target, along with a few other Dem candidates

‘Sustained and ongoing’ disinformation assault targets Dem presidential candidates"
A coordinated barrage of social media attacks suggests the involvement of foreign state actors.

By NATASHA KORECKI

02/20/2019 06:05 AM EST
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/20/2020-candidates-social-media-attack-1176018

"A wide-ranging disinformation campaign aimed at Democratic 2020 candidates is already underway on social media, with signs that foreign state actors are driving at least some of the activity.

The main targets appear to be Sens. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) and Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), and former Rep. Beto O’Rourke (D-Texas), four of the most prominent announced or prospective candidates for president....

...This is the same core group of accounts the company first identified last year in a study as anchoring a wide-scale influence campaign in the 2018 elections.

Since the beginning of the year, those accounts began specifically directing their output at Harris, O’Rourke, Sanders and Warren, and were amplified by an even wider grouping of accounts. Over a recent 30-day period, between 2 percent and 15 percent of all Twitter mentions of the four candidates emanated in some way from within that cluster of accounts, according to the Guardians.ai findings. In that time frame, all four candidates collectively had 6.8 million mentions on Twitter."

Russia wanted Trump elected. They worked to divide Democrats. Now they want Trump reelected. They are working to divide Democrats. Period. We can't aid and abet their efforts.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Reply #59)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 03:36 PM

progressoid (44,546 posts)

62. Thanks for this reasoned response.

Let's hope more people focus on what is happening today.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Reply #59)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 03:41 PM

lapucelle (8,919 posts)

63. BS is not mentioned in the story as being negatively targeted yet.

Hopefully Russia will not be pulling out the 2016 playbook.

Amarnath Gupta, a research scientist at the San Diego Supercomputer Center at the University of California at San Diego who monitors social media activity, said he’s also seen a recent surge in Twitter activity negatively targeting three candidates — O’Rourke, Harris and Warren.

Elizabeth Warren has also been negatively targeted.

Recent posts that have received widespread dissemination include racially inflammatory memes and messaging involving Harris, O’Rourke and Warren. In Warren’s case, a false narrative surfaced alleging that a blackface doll appeared on a kitchen cabinet in the background of the senator’s New Year’s Eve Instagram livestream.

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #63)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:09 PM

Tom Rinaldo (20,043 posts)

64. They play all sides against each other. Whatever works

It was revealed that they organized and staged rallies pro and anti KKK at the same time on opposite street corners. They pushed both pro and anti "Black Lives Matter" memes as well. If they can get more bang for the buck by "promoting" either a candidate like Sanders or a cause like Black Lives Matter in a way that predictably will anger many, they will do so. Then they will appeal to the sense of grievance that actual Black Lives Matter or Sanders supporters will experience after being attacked by others in response. They get the same divisive results when they unfairly attack a candidate during a primary as they do when they "praise" a candidate in an obnoxious or divisive manner likely to solicit a backlash. They get division within the Democratic coalition. They want division within the Democratic coalition.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Reply #64)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:44 PM

lapucelle (8,919 posts)

66. That's why it's important that no candidates inadvertently embrace a divisive Russia-generated

narrative and that they warn their staff and followers to be vigilant as well.

Surrogates and operatives should also be careful not to inadvertently repeat or amplify any of the divisive propaganda.

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #66)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 04:48 PM

Tom Rinaldo (20,043 posts)

67. Agreed. No campaign is immune, nor are non affiliated activists. Trolls are pervasive n/t

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #66)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 05:04 PM

artislife (9,497 posts)

71. hmm...rich. nt

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Response to artislife (Reply #71)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 05:37 PM

Hassin Bin Sober (21,964 posts)

74. Right?

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #74)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 08:24 PM

artislife (9,497 posts)

81. Look at the journal

and laugh even harder!!

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Response to artislife (Reply #81)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 12:14 AM

Hassin Bin Sober (21,964 posts)

86. I know.

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #86)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 09:03 AM

lapucelle (8,919 posts)

93. ...

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Response to artislife (Reply #71)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 08:51 AM

R B Garr (13,114 posts)

92. It's not "rich", it's fact. Calling out hypocrisy and

double standards is always timely and necessary.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #92)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 09:10 AM

lapucelle (8,919 posts)

94. Why would any Democratic candidate hire people who helped to put Trump in the White House?

What does that say about having the requisite judgement for high office?

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #94)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 09:19 AM

R B Garr (13,114 posts)

95. It is a huge clue about priorities!

I would like to hear some answers.

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #66)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 08:42 AM

R B Garr (13,114 posts)

90. Yes! Also, as you said, Sanders needs to acknowledge

and apologize to our base over this. He needs to acknowledge it as a real threat as it is reported in the news. There is no dismissing it anymore.

Great thread, lapucelle! I totally agree with you.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Reply #59)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 05:42 PM

Demsrule86 (35,921 posts)

76. No he is not. Pubbies and Russia still want Sanders.

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Response to lapucelle (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 05:38 PM

Demsrule86 (35,921 posts)

75. Holy shit. I always thought this was the case may there it is in black

and white.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #75)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 06:07 PM

lapucelle (8,919 posts)

77. There are a lot of redactions around that quote

and the given reason is "harm to an ongoing matter".

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #77)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 06:12 PM

Demsrule86 (35,921 posts)

78. You think maybe the Russian princess Jill is under investigation?

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #78)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 06:22 PM

lapucelle (8,919 posts)

79. Wow, I did't think of that. However, Jill strikes me as a useful idiot

more so than a criminal mastermind.

I heard a talking head on MSNBC last night say it might be more Russians or Roger Stone.

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #79)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 09:39 PM

Demsrule86 (35,921 posts)

83. Yeah you are right.

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Response to lapucelle (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 07:16 PM

Me. (26,479 posts)

80. THe Funny Thing

is that whenever I hear about Russians/HRC I can't help thinking of Tad Devine. After all, he had influence in that corner of the world and was the one who coined 'lock her up'.

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Response to Me. (Reply #80)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 11:35 PM

progressoid (44,546 posts)

84. That would be Michael Stoker.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-hillary-clinton-michael-stoker-epa-lock-her-up-chant-a8362566.html

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Response to progressoid (Reply #84)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 12:10 AM

Me. (26,479 posts)

85. He May've Used It

but as I understand it, it was first used against Yulia Tymoshenko in 2010 when Manafort and Devine were working to get Viktor Yanukovych elected as president of Ukraine.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/...another.../333d4742-be81-11e7-9294-705f80164f6.

https://millennialpolitics.co/catchphrases-from-hell-the-origins-of-lock-her-up/

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Response to Me. (Reply #85)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 11:12 AM

progressoid (44,546 posts)

96. Your first link doesn't work

and the second one doesn't mention Devine.

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Response to progressoid (Reply #96)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 11:49 AM

Me. (26,479 posts)

97. Perhaps You Missed The Part Where Manafort & Devine Were Partners

Now where I read Devine came up with the phrase, I'd have to look but as it was a couple a years ago it would take time I don't have today. You can believe it or not but Devine was up to more than people imagine and why he was called in to talk with Mueller.

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Response to lapucelle (Original post)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 09:22 PM

Cha (239,200 posts)

82. I'd like to see Briahna Joy Gray explain this part of the Mueller Report

Link to tweet

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Response to Cha (Reply #82)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 07:08 AM

lapucelle (8,919 posts)

88. Thank you for sharing this. I can't wait for the debates.

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Response to Cha (Reply #82)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 08:37 AM

Me. (26,479 posts)

89. She Can't

It's an inconvenient truth

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Response to Me. (Reply #89)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 04:18 PM

Cha (239,200 posts)

98. brie on trump.. that's how she explains..

Mahalo, Me

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Response to Cha (Reply #98)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 05:11 PM

Me. (26,479 posts)

100. Nice Hire By BS

HRC didn't have anyone on her campaign who had partnered with Manafort to get Yanukovych (Ukraine)elected when Yulia Tymoshenko ran against him. She was eventually put in prison thus fulfilling the demand of the chants to 'lock her up' which were repeated at his rallies. The two, Manafort and Devine, had the corrupt Yanukovych promise to make Ukraine great again. Does any of this sound familiar?

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Response to Me. (Reply #100)

Sat Apr 20, 2019, 05:24 PM

Cha (239,200 posts)