Mon Apr 22, 2019, 07:57 AM

Nate Silver: Sanders surrogates' attacks on Pete Buttigieg are "extremely weird"

This is about the attacks by Sanders c-chair Ro Khanna (and Nina Turner and others) on Pete Buttigieg for remarks he made in New Hampshire Friday -- see this thread for background if you haven't read about this yet:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/128780536

Silver's tweets, just two so far, start with this one:

Link to tweet

And if I'm playing Early Morning Bad Narrative Cop, this is an extremely weird Narrative coming from some Sanders surrogates. Buttigieg's comments were extremely boilerplate, basically that Trump and Sanders voters both suffer economic anxiety and are disaffected with the system.

In fact, Sanders supporters sometimes make arguments like these themselves to claim Bernie will appeal to Trump voters. It's an extremely weird thing to get upset about unless they're deliberately looking to pick a fight with Buttigieg.

Silver also retweeted this from NBC's Josh Lederman:

Link to tweet

Also just to put this in context: This came in remarks to high school Democrats in which Buttigieg was effusively praising Sanders’ authenticity and telling kids why as a high schooler he wrote an essay about Sanders and courage

As for what Nate Silver said about Sanders surrogates possibly "deliberately looking to pick a fight with Buttigieg" - pollster Matt McDermott agrees with that possibility;

Link to tweet

Hard to read the coordinated bad faith attack on Pete Buttigieg by Bernie Sanders surrogates as anything other than concern on their part that Buttigieg has the ability peel voters from Sanders.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Nate Silver: Sanders surrogates' attacks on Pete Buttigieg are "extremely weird" (Original post)	highplainsdem	Apr 2019	OP
Ro Khanna Needs to retract his remarks	crazytown	Apr 2019	#1
It isn't just Ro Khanna. It's Nina Turner and James Zogby, too.	highplainsdem	Apr 2019	#6
Oh right ... the crew	crazytown	Apr 2019	#9
No.	Jarqui	Apr 2019	#30
The Young Turks sent people digging for dirt at South Bend	crazytown	Apr 2019	#35
vetting is part of journalism's job. nt	floppyboo	Apr 2019	#127
He is taking voters from Sanders.	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#36
If he wasn't pulling many before ... he probably is pulling even more now n/t	SFnomad	Apr 2019	#97
That's also what I see.	Corgigal	Apr 2019	#107
The fact that Nina Turner is taken remotely seriously....	RhodeIslandOne	Apr 2019	#43
She's the co-chair of his campaign along with Khanna. This after she boasted about voting for Stein!	George II	Apr 2019	#50
Calling Turner a Bimbo Would be An Upgrade! I See Panic Setting In Among the 78-Year Old Crowd!	DoctorJoJo	Apr 2019	#57
Turner was a big turnoff in 2016.	Lonestarblue	Apr 2019	#61
I hate to say it....	RhodeIslandOne	Apr 2019	#66
Shows poor judgment nt	BlueFlorida	Apr 2019	#62
"Senator" Nina Turner, Senior Fellow at the Sanders Institute!	lapucelle	Apr 2019	#89
They are not people of honor	DemocratSinceBirth	Apr 2019	#104
Both ran last time as outsiders and a horrible percentage of Bernie Bros didn't vote for HRC.	lark	Apr 2019	#133
you are right	still_one	Apr 2019	#22
bernie boys	Larrybanal	Apr 2019	#77
Really strange.. BS surrogates attacking	Cha	Apr 2019	#2
Why is it always Sanders supporters who are attacking their 20202 Democratic rivals?	lark	Apr 2019	#3
They haven't learned	Cha	Apr 2019	#4
But they are genuinely concerned	crazytown	Apr 2019	#7
What ever!:)	True Blue American	Apr 2019	#34
There aren't that many rivals. n/t	rzemanfl	Apr 2019	#16
Because....	LovingA2andMI	Apr 2019	#27
the gentrification, and awarding of contracts to donators is also being discussed	floppyboo	Apr 2019	#128
It is what they do.	Demsrule86	Apr 2019	#37
Will Bernie run again in 20202?	lostnfound	Apr 2019	#59
Yes	mcar	Apr 2019	#81
I've recognized that in the past - most of the other candidates' staffs....	George II	Apr 2019	#85
Another reason not to support Sanders, he hired Manaforts' partner in Ukraine.	lark	Apr 2019	#102
Intolerance and spiteful indignation that anyone could possibly not support Sanders	tymorial	Apr 2019	#91
Personal attacks suck.	floppyboo	Apr 2019	#131
This! It is glaringly from one camp.	R B Garr	Apr 2019	#137
Weird? Not at all when you consider why: BS is losing support to PB so here come the knives.	LonePirate	Apr 2019	#5
I really like Pete. But yeah, It is intellectually dishonest to compare Bernie to Trump.	Autumn	Apr 2019	#8
on the subject of intellectual dishonesty	dsc	Apr 2019	#12
Clip? There is no video clip. The OP has tweets. Your post to me reeks of intellectual dishonesty.	Autumn	Apr 2019	#26
Post 2 and post 6 in this thread	dsc	Apr 2019	#32
Watched it.	True Blue American	Apr 2019	#39
I responded to a tweet which was in the first link in the OP. If there is a clip the OP should	Autumn	Apr 2019	#49
Except that Buttigieg didn't do that. He clearly compared Sanders' followers to Trump's	LongtimeAZDem	Apr 2019	#19
As I said, I like Pete. If he want's to compare me to Trump supporters that his perogitive.	Autumn	Apr 2019	#29
If Sanders supporters dislike being compared to Trump supporters, perhaps they should	LongtimeAZDem	Apr 2019	#46
All Sanders supporters are not the same, nor do they behave the same.	Autumn	Apr 2019	#54
What about the senior campaign staffers he's hired who have slammed the Democratic Party?	ehrnst	Apr 2019	#75
The people doing this are top-level in Sanders campaign.	TwilightZone	Apr 2019	#79
There is no way capitalism will ever be overthrown even if some want it. Most of us	Autumn	Apr 2019	#90
Ro Khanna isn't just some "Bernie supporter" - he's the campaign co-chairman...	George II	Apr 2019	#87
I'll take your lack of response as a "No comment at this time."	ehrnst	Apr 2019	#123
Exactly! And well said...	BigOleDummy	Apr 2019	#88
Here's the thing, Autumn	True Dough	Apr 2019	#20
Exactly, True Dough. Some are	Cha	Apr 2019	#33
Actually, this is what Pete said:	ehrnst	Apr 2019	#82
Here's the thing, True Dough. I responded to the OP and clicked on this link.	Autumn	Apr 2019	#52
In truth	radical noodle	Apr 2019	#76
There are videos in the OP showing exactly what Buttigieg said. Looks like they were added....	George II	Apr 2019	#106
Thanks for the clarification	True Dough	Apr 2019	#108
Yes his credibility is thin now. As is the credibility of those who focus and flog the supporters	Autumn	Apr 2019	#114
Further to that...	True Dough	Apr 2019	#116
+1	LongtimeAZDem	Apr 2019	#60
Exactly. But Bernie can handle it. He's the one candidate on the move to reach the most voters,	ancianita	Apr 2019	#83
there is much to compare	Larrybanal	Apr 2019	#84
"many of his supporters are petulant spoilers "?	Autumn	Apr 2019	#94
Well, except the ones who are Stein supporters ...	SFnomad	Apr 2019	#98
I really don't give a damn that some people who supported Bernie in 2016 voted for Stein.	Autumn	Apr 2019	#101
These aren't just "some people", those are their CURRENT titles under BS	SFnomad	Apr 2019	#109
I'm not responsible for who any politicians will use or who they surrounds themselves with.	Autumn	Apr 2019	#112
I guess I have higher standards then ... BS's current team helped the Democrats lose to tRump	SFnomad	Apr 2019	#113
I see how high your standards are. Good luck. nt	Autumn	Apr 2019	#115
Said politicians are responsible for who they hire & what those people say. If said politicians...	Hekate	Apr 2019	#117
Like I said, I despised Brock for what he did to the President. But I don't lose sleep over	Autumn	Apr 2019	#119
Is comparing how they both represent shaking things up disingenuous?	Chemisse	Apr 2019	#95
No it isn't disingenuous. Our country and our system needs a shake up. In 08 there were	Autumn	Apr 2019	#99
Fair enough. You make valid points. n/t	Chemisse	Apr 2019	#124
As always, great points Autumn	Celerity	Apr 2019	#125
Many Sanders Supporters (not all, but some) Have No Loyalty to the Democratic Party	louis c	Apr 2019	#10
+1. n/t	rzemanfl	Apr 2019	#17
This message was self-deleted by its author	MrsCoffee	Apr 2019	#21
THIS RIGHT HERE...	LovingA2andMI	Apr 2019	#31
And, BS' staff hires who voted 3rd party	Cha	Apr 2019	#38
Some on his senior campaign staff have been downright hostile to the Democratic Party. (nt)	ehrnst	Apr 2019	#41
True, because their not all democrats.	vsrazdem	Apr 2019	#53
That's true!	David__77	Apr 2019	#70
Is there a list of candidates and their surrogates?	Dorn	Apr 2019	#11
I'm largely clueless on that front as well	True Dough	Apr 2019	#23
Turner is a Sanders co-chair. Zogby is a Sanders adviser and on the Our Revolution	highplainsdem	Apr 2019	#28
David Sirota, Nina Turner, Jeff Weaver, and Briahna Joy Gray are certainly on that list. (nt)	ehrnst	Apr 2019	#44
THis is why the "rapid response" team for any candidate	BlueFlorida	Apr 2019	#13
That kind of "everything that is not praise is a threat" response	ehrnst	Apr 2019	#55
Send in the Trolls. Never mind they're already here.	Ford_Prefect	Apr 2019	#14
.......................................................................	still_one	Apr 2019	#25
Often masquerading as supporters of other candidates	BannonsLiver	Apr 2019	#100
I was speaking to the frequency and intensity of bashing attacks on progressive candidates on DU.	Ford_Prefect	Apr 2019	#111
Perhaps Sanders' biggest weakness is his selection of people who speak on his behalf.	thesquanderer	Apr 2019	#15
I see a pattern in his selection, and in what they say. (nt)	ehrnst	Apr 2019	#45
Of course. Attacks are how these "surrogates" roll.	Hortensis	Apr 2019	#18
+1!	Cha	Apr 2019	#48
+1 nt	Skidmore	Apr 2019	#132
Another Here We Go Again Moment	Me.	Apr 2019	#24
But unfortunately, not surprising. (nt)	ehrnst	Apr 2019	#40
The bottom line is the Sanders campaign identifies Pete's campaign as	MaryMagdaline	Apr 2019	#42
You're not alone.	floppyboo	Apr 2019	#129
True - our numbers will only get smaller	MaryMagdaline	Apr 2019	#134
What I find very interesting is that the surrogates of only one candidate have been on a mission....	George II	Apr 2019	#47
Oh yeah, I see this BS surrogate already starting	Cha	Apr 2019	#58
"Credentialed elitism"?	Politicub	Apr 2019	#51
and just another reason	lillypaddle	Apr 2019	#56
Of course they see the comparison.	murielm99	Apr 2019	#63
It appears that the veritable gloves are coming off. nt	littlemissmartypants	Apr 2019	#64
Nothing weird about it	BlueFlorida	Apr 2019	#65
Lets hope things don't get too out of hand during the campaign season. nt	yaesu	Apr 2019	#67
That is weird. Looks like it's getting dirty.	PatrickforO	Apr 2019	#68
I Think We Need New Ground Rules for Political Campaigning in the Era of Trump - Russia	panfluteman	Apr 2019	#69
Look at this	melman	Apr 2019	#71
Yep. Even here people were like ohhhh burn! Good job Pete!	Hassin Bin Sober	Apr 2019	#92
Sometimes the truth hurts I guess	BannonsLiver	Apr 2019	#103
While I may not like the equation of Trump and Sanders voters...	David__77	Apr 2019	#72
Well said	MaryMagdaline	Apr 2019	#126
I'm so surprised...	radical noodle	Apr 2019	#73
PB is our newest Progressive hope. Too bad he doesn't have a voting record to back up his rhetoric.	jalan48	Apr 2019	#74
True Believers like some of Bernie's staff are the most problematic.	The Velveteen Ocelot	Apr 2019	#78
It's not "weird", this is just what Bernie's staffers DO	Blue_Tires	Apr 2019	#80
This is repugnant, dishonest and dishonorable	tymorial	Apr 2019	#86
Thanks to Nate.	elleng	Apr 2019	#93
The person who mentioned "rage-driven campaigns" is on to something...	Hekate	Apr 2019	#96
According to many on here	The Mouth	Apr 2019	#105
This post is symbollic of the reason I won't support Bernie in the primaries.	GitRDun	Apr 2019	#110
They are "extremely weird"	NastyRiffraff	Apr 2019	#118
:) And employees are chosen for their attack-dog abilities.	Hortensis	Apr 2019	#135
Does anyone know that Buttigieg actually said?	aikoaiko	Apr 2019	#120
This:	LongtimeAZDem	Apr 2019	#121
Thanks.	aikoaiko	Apr 2019	#122
Does anyone have the number of registered Dem voters	floppyboo	Apr 2019	#130
Maybe they just wanted	Cha	Apr 2019	#136

Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Mon Apr 22, 2019, 08:03 AM

crazytown (7,277 posts)

1. Ro Khanna Needs to retract his remarks

and issue an apology.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

Nate Silver: Sanders surrogates' attacks on Pete Buttigieg are "extremely weird"

1. Ro Khanna Needs to retract his remarks

6. It isn't just Ro Khanna. It's Nina Turner and James Zogby, too.

9. Oh right ... the crew

30. No.

35. The Young Turks sent people digging for dirt at South Bend

127. vetting is part of journalism's job. nt

36. He is taking voters from Sanders.

97. If he wasn't pulling many before ... he probably is pulling even more now n/t

107. That's also what I see.

43. The fact that Nina Turner is taken remotely seriously....

50. She's the co-chair of his campaign along with Khanna. This after she boasted about voting for Stein!

57. Calling Turner a Bimbo Would be An Upgrade! I See Panic Setting In Among the 78-Year Old Crowd!

61. Turner was a big turnoff in 2016.

66. I hate to say it....

62. Shows poor judgment nt

89. "Senator" Nina Turner, Senior Fellow at the Sanders Institute!

104. They are not people of honor

133. Both ran last time as outsiders and a horrible percentage of Bernie Bros didn't vote for HRC.

22. you are right

77. bernie boys

2. Really strange.. BS surrogates attacking

3. Why is it always Sanders supporters who are attacking their 20202 Democratic rivals?

4. They haven't learned

7. But they are genuinely concerned

34. What ever!:)

16. There aren't that many rivals. n/t

27. Because....

128. the gentrification, and awarding of contracts to donators is also being discussed

37. It is what they do.

59. Will Bernie run again in 20202?

81. Yes

85. I've recognized that in the past - most of the other candidates' staffs....

102. Another reason not to support Sanders, he hired Manaforts' partner in Ukraine.

91. Intolerance and spiteful indignation that anyone could possibly not support Sanders

131. Personal attacks suck.

137. This! It is glaringly from one camp.

5. Weird? Not at all when you consider why: BS is losing support to PB so here come the knives.

8. I really like Pete. But yeah, It is intellectually dishonest to compare Bernie to Trump.

12. on the subject of intellectual dishonesty

26. Clip? There is no video clip. The OP has tweets. Your post to me reeks of intellectual dishonesty.

32. Post 2 and post 6 in this thread

39. Watched it.

49. I responded to a tweet which was in the first link in the OP. If there is a clip the OP should

19. Except that Buttigieg didn't do that. He clearly compared Sanders' followers to Trump's

29. As I said, I like Pete. If he want's to compare me to Trump supporters that his perogitive.

46. If Sanders supporters dislike being compared to Trump supporters, perhaps they should

54. All Sanders supporters are not the same, nor do they behave the same.

75. What about the senior campaign staffers he's hired who have slammed the Democratic Party?

79. The people doing this are top-level in Sanders campaign.

90. There is no way capitalism will ever be overthrown even if some want it. Most of us

87. Ro Khanna isn't just some "Bernie supporter" - he's the campaign co-chairman...

123. I'll take your lack of response as a "No comment at this time."

88. Exactly! And well said...

20. Here's the thing, Autumn

33. Exactly, True Dough. Some are

82. Actually, this is what Pete said:

52. Here's the thing, True Dough. I responded to the OP and clicked on this link.

76. In truth

106. There are videos in the OP showing exactly what Buttigieg said. Looks like they were added....

108. Thanks for the clarification

114. Yes his credibility is thin now. As is the credibility of those who focus and flog the supporters

116. Further to that...

60. +1

83. Exactly. But Bernie can handle it. He's the one candidate on the move to reach the most voters,

84. there is much to compare

94. "many of his supporters are petulant spoilers "?

98. Well, except the ones who are Stein supporters ...

101. I really don't give a damn that some people who supported Bernie in 2016 voted for Stein.

109. These aren't just "some people", those are their CURRENT titles under BS

112. I'm not responsible for who any politicians will use or who they surrounds themselves with.

113. I guess I have higher standards then ... BS's current team helped the Democrats lose to tRump

115. I see how high your standards are. Good luck. nt

117. Said politicians are responsible for who they hire & what those people say. If said politicians...

119. Like I said, I despised Brock for what he did to the President. But I don't lose sleep over

95. Is comparing how they both represent shaking things up disingenuous?

99. No it isn't disingenuous. Our country and our system needs a shake up. In 08 there were

124. Fair enough. You make valid points. n/t

125. As always, great points Autumn

10. Many Sanders Supporters (not all, but some) Have No Loyalty to the Democratic Party

80. It's not "weird", this is just what Bernie's staffers DO