Wed Apr 24, 2019, 10:55 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (93,314 posts)
I rather rebuild the Obama coalition with any combination of Biden, Harris, Booker, Pete or Beto.*
We don't have to chase white nationalist votes. They have a home and it's the Republican party.
PEACE *Throw in Liz... wasn't enough room in the header
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
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DemocratSinceBirth | Apr 2019 | OP |
JI7 | Apr 2019 | #1 | |
DemocratSinceBirth | Apr 2019 | #22 | |
Cha | Apr 2019 | #2 | |
brer cat | Apr 2019 | #3 | |
Demsrule86 | Apr 2019 | #4 | |
TeamPooka | Apr 2019 | #5 | |
jezebel321 | Apr 2019 | #6 | |
AlexSFCA | Apr 2019 | #11 | |
SweetieD | Apr 2019 | #17 | |
TeamPooka | Apr 2019 | #23 | |
Codeine | Apr 2019 | #25 | |
TeamPooka | Apr 2019 | #32 | |
bobbieinok | Apr 2019 | #7 | |
DemocratSinceBirth | Apr 2019 | #16 | |
Tiggeroshii | Apr 2019 | #8 | |
pnwmom | Apr 2019 | #9 | |
Tiggeroshii | Apr 2019 | #10 | |
pnwmom | Apr 2019 | #12 | |
Tiggeroshii | Apr 2019 | #13 | |
pnwmom | Apr 2019 | #14 | |
Tiggeroshii | Apr 2019 | #37 | |
pnwmom | Apr 2019 | #38 | |
Tiggeroshii | Apr 2019 | #39 | |
pnwmom | Apr 2019 | #41 | |
JonLP24 | Apr 2019 | #43 | |
pnwmom | Apr 2019 | #45 | |
JonLP24 | Apr 2019 | #46 | |
pnwmom | Apr 2019 | #47 | |
Tiggeroshii | Apr 2019 | #49 | |
pnwmom | Apr 2019 | #51 | |
Tiggeroshii | Apr 2019 | #52 | |
Duppers | Apr 2019 | #15 | |
better | Apr 2019 | #36 | |
thesquanderer | Apr 2019 | #18 | |
DemocratSinceBirth | Apr 2019 | #19 | |
Demsrule86 | Apr 2019 | #20 | |
DemocratSinceBirth | Apr 2019 | #21 | |
Demsrule86 | Apr 2019 | #24 | |
DemocratSinceBirth | Apr 2019 | #26 | |
Demsrule86 | Apr 2019 | #27 | |
DemocratSinceBirth | Apr 2019 | #28 | |
Demsrule86 | Apr 2019 | #34 | |
beachbum bob | Apr 2019 | #29 | |
DemocratSinceBirth | Apr 2019 | #30 | |
beachbum bob | Apr 2019 | #31 | |
ProudMNDemocrat | Apr 2019 | #33 | |
DemocratSinceBirth | Apr 2019 | #35 | |
m-lekktor | Apr 2019 | #40 | |
pnwmom | Apr 2019 | #42 | |
DemocratSinceBirth | Apr 2019 | #48 | |
Honeycombe8 | Apr 2019 | #44 | |
NewsCenter28 | Apr 2019 | #50 | |
boomer_wv | Apr 2019 | #53 |
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 11:02 PM
JI7 (75,656 posts)
1. agree, those are all great candidates . would be happy to support either one of them
even if i prefer certain mores more over others.
but i would add warren also. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to JI7 (Reply #1)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:33 AM
DemocratSinceBirth (93,314 posts)
22. Thank you.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 11:03 PM
Cha (239,128 posts)
2. Yeah, Build on that!
That's real
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 11:09 PM
brer cat (11,663 posts)
3. I agree. nt
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 11:09 PM
Demsrule86 (35,875 posts)
4. Agree.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 11:28 PM
TeamPooka (16,246 posts)
5. Harris/Buttigieg feels like a winning ticket that builds on the Obama coalition and speaks to a
young generation of millennials too.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to TeamPooka (Reply #5)
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 11:31 PM
jezebel321 (175 posts)
6. I love both Kamala and Pete so I would love that ticket. I wonder who Kamala would
choose for VP though.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Pete Buttigieg |
Response to jezebel321 (Reply #6)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 01:43 AM
AlexSFCA (3,841 posts)
11. I was not impressed with Harris cnn townhall tbh
I think it was the worst performance out of all candidates that night, even tulsi did much better.
I think if Biden is the nominee, he needs to be very strategic about his VP. It must be someone who adds something to the ticket. Perharps Warren who can bring bernicrats to vote for biden. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Pete Buttigieg |
Response to TeamPooka (Reply #5)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:29 AM
SweetieD (1,519 posts)
17. Young people aren't reliable voters. You can't rely on that demographic to win.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Elizabeth Warren |
Response to SweetieD (Reply #17)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:34 AM
TeamPooka (16,246 posts)
23. No but he's a symbolic player as a VP.
And older voters also like young and vibrant candidates. Kind of like Bill Clinton when he ran back in the 90s
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to TeamPooka (Reply #5)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:36 AM
Codeine (23,039 posts)
25. That's a promising ticket. nt
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Codeine (Reply #25)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:58 AM
TeamPooka (16,246 posts)
32. and it's the exact opposite of Trump. We need to offer voters a distinct difference.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 01:00 AM
bobbieinok (11,240 posts)
7. You left out WARREN!
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to bobbieinok (Reply #7)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:21 AM
DemocratSinceBirth (93,314 posts)
16. She's included. She even got to be in bold.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 01:17 AM
Tiggeroshii (8,979 posts)
8. Did you leave out the first potential Jewish president
As an insinuation that he is chasing white nationalist votes? Just curious.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Bernie Sanders |
Response to Tiggeroshii (Reply #8)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 01:30 AM
pnwmom (100,990 posts)
9. Did you hear his response to the question today about how to address
the problem of white supremacist violence? He was interviewed at the She: The People conference today.
They were not impressed that his solution to white supremacist violence is a higher minimum wage and Medicare for All. But if his main goal was not to alienate Trump's white nationalist voters, that answer might make sense. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to pnwmom (Reply #9)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 01:34 AM
Tiggeroshii (8,979 posts)
10. He is Jewish
He is not allying with white supremacists. He is trying to give them less of a reason to be white supremacists by giving them the possibility of helping themselves instead of hurting and hating others. Humanity can be healed. But not if we hold on to our hatred of others, regardless of how painful it can be...
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Bernie Sanders |
Response to Tiggeroshii (Reply #10)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 01:48 AM
pnwmom (100,990 posts)
12. The 20-30% of the population that loves authoritarianism and having a scapegoat
won't be placated by a $15 minimum wage.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to pnwmom (Reply #12)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 01:59 AM
Tiggeroshii (8,979 posts)
13. it will make pushing for it less of a priority
When their kid isnt dead because of a treatable illness, it's less likely they will blame immigrants for it . That goes for being poor and uneducated as well.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Bernie Sanders |
Response to Tiggeroshii (Reply #13)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:33 AM
pnwmom (100,990 posts)
14. Bernie did very badly among African American voters in 2016, and his performance
on Wednesday suggests he hasn't learned anything from the experience. His one-size-fits-all solution isn't enough.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to pnwmom (Reply #14)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:45 PM
Tiggeroshii (8,979 posts)
37. That was 2016. He is already doing much better in 2020
And considering 70% of Americans support his policies, he will likely do very well in the general election, as well
![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Bernie Sanders |
Response to Tiggeroshii (Reply #37)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:50 PM
pnwmom (100,990 posts)
38. Where is your evidence that he is doing much better with minority voters?
That wasn't on display in the audience reaction to his interview at She: The People.
https://www.theroot.com/bernie-sanders-has-a-black-woman-problem-and-thats-goi-1834302198 Bernie Sanders has a black woman problem. During an appearance Wednesday at a presidential candidates’ forum sponsored by She the People, a group that looks to push more women of color to the polls, Sanders was booed, heckled and looked a lot like he’d just bought a white women into his pro-black mother’s house, The Washington Post reports. Sanders gave canned answers and struggled to win over the crowd of informed women, who have not only proven to be the backbone of the Democratic Party but have also proven to continuously show up and show out. SNIP This exchange between Sanders and co-host Joy Reid is quite telling: Separately, co-host Joy Reid asked Sanders how he would win over Hillary Clinton voters, including black women in particular. In response, Sanders trashed Trump as “the most dangerous president” in modern history, and generally called for unity among Democrats as well as “social justice, racial justice, and environmental justice.” ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to pnwmom (Reply #38)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:54 PM
Tiggeroshii (8,979 posts)
39. Anecdotal evidence is hardly reliable
Polling has put him consistently even with Joe Biden at about 30-30 among African Americans. That is 3 times what Harris is polling at btw. https://morningconsult.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Political-Intelligence-3.5.19.pdf
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Bernie Sanders |
Response to Tiggeroshii (Reply #39)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:57 PM
pnwmom (100,990 posts)
41. His performance at She: The People is something anyone can watch. If you had,
I don't think you'd be defending it.
From the Root: https://www.theroot.com/bernie-sanders-has-a-black-woman-problem-and-thats-goi-1834302198 This exchange between Sanders and co-host Joy Reid is quite telling: Separately, co-host Joy Reid asked Sanders how he would win over Hillary Clinton voters, including black women in particular. In response, Sanders trashed Trump as “the most dangerous president” in modern history, and generally called for unity among Democrats as well as “social justice, racial justice, and environmental justice.” ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to pnwmom (Reply #41)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:03 PM
JonLP24 (24,904 posts)
43. Joy Reid has said far more offensive stuff than Bernie saying he marched with Dr. King
Plus the crowd wouldn't let him finish his answers and they were harsh on Tulsi too saying "you're one of them" during Tulsi's answer that there are a lot of bad people in the world (some of them are US allies).
I think he will be fine. Black progressives I follow still like him and Sanders answer on felony disenfranchisement received a lot of support while Buttigieg was ripped for coming out in favor of it. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Bernie Sanders |
Response to JonLP24 (Reply #43)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:24 PM
pnwmom (100,990 posts)
45. You think it's good for Bernie that the crowd reacted to him and TULSI in the same way?
![]() This was an audience of smart, educated, involved women. If they responded "harshly" to Bernie, he better figure out what he did wrong. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to pnwmom (Reply #45)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:44 PM
JonLP24 (24,904 posts)
46. The felony disenfranchisement debate got more attention
Than She the People. It seemed stacked with Bernie haters who also hate Tulsi
Link to tweet Link to tweet Link to tweet It is just a progressive/centrist ideology divide. I see conversations turn out like this a lot from people who seem to not realize there are WOC progressives. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Bernie Sanders |
Response to JonLP24 (Reply #46)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:54 PM
pnwmom (100,990 posts)
47. There are MILLIONS of WOC progressives. And the vast majority voted for Hillary,
the progressive who listened to them and addressed their concerns.
She didn't just spout off one-size-fits-all bromides. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to pnwmom (Reply #47)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:13 PM
Tiggeroshii (8,979 posts)
49. We are not in 2016. It is a different election.
Which can expect very different results. Like, for instance, Bernie doing much better among African Americans, according to the same polls that say Joe Biden is leading the primaries.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Bernie Sanders |
Response to Tiggeroshii (Reply #49)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:18 PM
pnwmom (100,990 posts)
51. There's no reason to think the millions of African Americans who decisively chose Hillary
over Bernie will decide on Bernie over one of the other many qualified candidates.
We will know a lot more after the Southern primary. That will matter more than any poll. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to pnwmom (Reply #51)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:01 PM
Tiggeroshii (8,979 posts)
52. Actually we will likely have a good idea after SC.
It is still very early, and no conclusions can be made at this point except for what we see in the polls and a lot can change!
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Bernie Sanders |
Response to Tiggeroshii (Reply #8)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:20 AM
Duppers (17,708 posts)
15. Well played.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Tiggeroshii (Reply #8)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:52 AM
better (552 posts)
36. Respectfully, I think you're looking at this wrong.
They already have the possibility of helping themselves instead of hurting and hating others. They choose incorrectly.
The correct response to shitbags being shitbags is not to try to make it easier for them to not be shitbags, it's to make it harder for them to be. And that means addressing head-on the fact that they are, demonstrably, shitbags, and making clear that we as a society demand better of people, no matter the struggles they face. I'm all for a livable minimum wage and universal healthcare, but the problems they solve are quite simply not the underlying cause of white supremacy. They're excuses for it. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:15 AM
thesquanderer (8,648 posts)
18. None of our candidates are chasing white nationalist votes. Why single out those six? (n/t)
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Elizabeth Warren |
Response to thesquanderer (Reply #18)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:19 AM
DemocratSinceBirth (93,314 posts)
19. The candidates I listed are my favorites and imho the rightful heirs to Barack Obama.
![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #19)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:22 AM
Demsrule86 (35,875 posts)
20. Mine too.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #20)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:23 AM
DemocratSinceBirth (93,314 posts)
21. It seems some posters want to tell us who are favorites should be.
![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #21)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:36 AM
Demsrule86 (35,875 posts)
24. Yes, but we get to choose for ourselves
![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #24)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:37 AM
DemocratSinceBirth (93,314 posts)
26. Thank Goodness
![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #26)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:39 AM
Demsrule86 (35,875 posts)
27. Right lets keep it that way..dump Trump.
![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #27)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:43 AM
DemocratSinceBirth (93,314 posts)
28. Biden-Harris has a nice ring.
![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #28)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:18 AM
Demsrule86 (35,875 posts)
34. It does have a nice ring.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:44 AM
beachbum bob (10,437 posts)
29. my prediciton is Biden/Harris
and a sure electoral landslide as Joe will bring back white working americans to democrats
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to beachbum bob (Reply #29)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:45 AM
DemocratSinceBirth (93,314 posts)
30. I don't want to get overconfident.
I learned my lesson.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #30)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:48 AM
beachbum bob (10,437 posts)
31. The only elections I have been over confident was 2008 and 2012 and I had good reasons, same
as now.
It will take all us to do the work as always and not be splintered again like 2016. We have the task of saving our country ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:12 AM
ProudMNDemocrat (5,540 posts)
33. It does.......
Kamala Harris would make a very good VP who would work to bring back the integrity , respect, of Americans and the rest of the world. The world knows who Biden is, how he treats people, works well with others. Kamala Harris will solidify that.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to ProudMNDemocrat (Reply #33)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:50 AM
DemocratSinceBirth (93,314 posts)
35. If Biden wrests the nomination I would bet the house he picks KH as his veep.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:55 PM
m-lekktor (3,632 posts)
40. Yeah, because status-quo centrism did sooo well in 2016.
smh
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to m-lekktor (Reply #40)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:01 PM
pnwmom (100,990 posts)
42. Hillary isn't a centrist. She ran on a very progressive platform and won the popular vote by 2.9 mil
after beating Bernie by 4 million.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to m-lekktor (Reply #40)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:11 PM
DemocratSinceBirth (93,314 posts)
48. President Obama
President Obama was the first Democrat to win two consecutive popular vote victories since FDR.
"smh." ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:20 PM
Honeycombe8 (37,648 posts)
44. Strategically, he will probably need to pick someone from the south or midwest.
Can't have two nor'easterners on the same ticket, probably. It wouldn't do much good to have CA on the ticket. CA is already going to vote Democratic, and it looks like the two coasts, both Democratic, are running. That leaves the middle and south out of thinking their interests will be served.
JFK (MA) chose LBJ (TX). Northeast-south/southwest Bill Clinton (Arkansas) chose Gore (TN) (I remember this was an issue...2 southerners; but one was in the middle & the other east) Jimmy Carter (GA) chose Mondale (MN) south-midwest Obama (IL) chose Biden (DE) midwest-northeast ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:16 PM
NewsCenter28 (1,094 posts)
50. Right on bro!
We share similar thoughts here!
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Elizabeth Warren |
Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Original post)
Fri Apr 26, 2019, 12:31 AM
boomer_wv (322 posts)
53. Doesn't have to be a ticket with another primary candidate...
If I were Biden and won the nomination I'd have Ayanna Pressley near the top of my list.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |