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Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:41 AM

 

BTRTN: Joe's In... Now How Can the Dems Avoid Another "Circular Firing Squad" in 2020?

Born to Run the Numbers on the question triggered by Biden's entry... will 2020 be a re-enactment of 2016, when an outsider (Sanders) and an establishment candidate (then Clinton) pulled the party apart and created the opening Trump needed to win? If we see it coming, what can we do about it?

http://www.borntorunthenumbers.com/2019/04/btrtn-joes-in-now-how-can-dems-avoid.html

Excerpts: "A few days back, Barack Obama spoke about the danger of rigid philosophical positions and extremist views in the progressive space. He issued a clear warning to the Democratic Party: the danger of ideological litmus tests is that they alienate Democrat from Democrat, and can create the sliver of an opening that is all Donald Trump will need to be re-elected... His message was a warning that the growing rift between ideologically-fixed progressives and centrist pragmatists could rip the party asunder, much as the Tea Party did to the Republican Party, turning the once-proud GOP into a soulless swamp of spineless suck-ups, sycophants, and slime. We have met the enemy, Obama was saying, and he or she may be us. Donald Trump may not be able to beat the Democrats, but internecine warfare could...
"Add to the toxic soup one final dollop of unsavory reality: the younger of these two guys was the one born eleven months after Pearl Harbor. The two front-runners for the Democratic Presidential nomination for most profound election of our lifetime are two aging white guys who each now lead the opposite ends of the ideological split that is rending the Democratic Party. It is a formula for disaster. But if we can see it so much more clearly this time and so far in advance can we not take steps to avoid the type of bitter alienation that costs the party the votes it will need to beat Trump?"

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

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Reply BTRTN: Joe's In... Now How Can the Dems Avoid Another "Circular Firing Squad" in 2020? (Original post)
reggieandlee Apr 2019 OP
stonecutter357 Apr 2019 #1
tgards79 Apr 2019 #2
Kahuna7 Apr 2019 #3
reggieandlee Apr 2019 #5
Kahuna7 Apr 2019 #6
Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #4
Hortensis Apr 2019 #7

Response to reggieandlee (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:45 AM

1. i'm not concerned at all .

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:41 AM

2. Really, why not?

 

Low Bernie turnout crushed Hillary's chances.
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Response to tgards79 (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:48 AM

3. I think we can make up the 77K votes that went to stein. nt

 

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Response to Kahuna7 (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 05:15 PM

5. That might be tough...

 

Howard Schultz may take more votes than Stein! We have to do all we can to keep him from playing a spoiler role this time by siphoning off votes that otherwise would go Dem...
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Response to reggieandlee (Reply #5)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 05:51 PM

6. This is the deal. There are polls where in head to heads with trump...

 

when Schultz added in a three way race only Biden still maintains an advantage outside the MoE. And often the only candidate who maintain an advantage at all.

These are links to polls where I get the polling data I refer to. I don't make things up.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html
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Response to tgards79 (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 02:20 PM

4. This time we are watching and we barely lost. Joe can make up for turncoat

 

Voters by rebuilding the blue wall
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Response to reggieandlee (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 05:53 PM

7. Stop reading shit-kicking like this and bringing it here?

 

This isn't 2019 reality.

Reality is that all our strongest candidates but one are strongly united in ideology, both with each other and with a large majority of Democratic voters. Nothing like danger to unite.

One isn't, but neither that one whose appeal depends on his lifelong shooting inward, crippling himself in the process, nor the others occasionally having to defend themselves from one proud;u not be in the circle, constitute a circular firing squad.
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