Thu Apr 25, 2019, 12:09 PM
progressoid (44,578 posts)
Union-Busting Lawyer to Host Biden's 1st Fundraiser ThursdayPITTSBURGH, PA. – On Monday, Vice President Joe Biden intends to launch his presidential campaign at the Teamsters Local 249 in Pittsburgh with United Steelworkers President Leo Gerard appearing alongside him.
However, first, on Thursday, Biden is hosting a $2,800 dollar-a-plate fundraiser at the mansion of Comcast Executive President David Cohen in Philadelphia. Among the dozen select political power players on the host committee for Biden’s 1st fundraiser are Steven Cozen, founder and chairman of the union-busting law firm Cozen O’Connor. According to Cozen O’Connor website, the firm specializes in union busting advertising that it helps employers to “avoid unionization through positive employee relations and regain nonunion status when employees indicate they no longer wish to be union-represented”. The firm also boasts on its website that it helps employers to lock out their unionized workforce. The inclusion of Cozen on Biden’s first fundraiser raises lingering questions about Biden’s continued commitment to organized labor and why so many labor leaders are eager to hop on board with Biden. more...http://paydayreport.com/union-busting-lawyer-to-host-bidens-1st-fundraiser-thursday/ Link to tweet ![]()
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
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progressoid | Apr 2019 | OP |
WeekiWater | Apr 2019 | #1 | |
LongtimeAZDem | Apr 2019 | #4 | |
WhiskeyGrinder | Apr 2019 | #14 | |
LongtimeAZDem | Apr 2019 | #17 | |
WhiskeyGrinder | Apr 2019 | #18 | |
LanternWaste | Apr 2019 | #29 | |
WhiskeyGrinder | Apr 2019 | #31 | |
progressoid | Apr 2019 | #38 | |
Fiendish Thingy | Apr 2019 | #65 | |
Demsrule86 | Apr 2019 | #32 | |
WhiskeyGrinder | Apr 2019 | #34 | |
gateley | Apr 2019 | #51 | |
MyNameGoesHere | Apr 2019 | #52 | |
WhiskeyGrinder | Apr 2019 | #53 | |
Demsrule86 | Apr 2019 | #67 | |
progressoid | Apr 2019 | #5 | |
WeekiWater | Apr 2019 | #6 | |
brooklynite | Apr 2019 | #8 | |
Demsrule86 | Apr 2019 | #37 | |
WhiskeyGrinder | Apr 2019 | #10 | |
Hassin Bin Sober | Apr 2019 | #12 | |
progressoid | Apr 2019 | #13 | |
Demsrule86 | Apr 2019 | #15 | |
progressoid | Apr 2019 | #25 | |
tymorial | Apr 2019 | #27 | |
progressoid | Apr 2019 | #41 | |
tymorial | Apr 2019 | #46 | |
guillaumeb | Apr 2019 | #54 | |
WhiskeyGrinder | Apr 2019 | #59 | |
George II | Apr 2019 | #2 | |
progressoid | Apr 2019 | #3 | |
Demsrule86 | Apr 2019 | #16 | |
progressoid | Apr 2019 | #19 | |
WhiskeyGrinder | Apr 2019 | #21 | |
tymorial | Apr 2019 | #28 | |
LanternWaste | Apr 2019 | #30 | |
Demsrule86 | Apr 2019 | #60 | |
progressoid | Apr 2019 | #68 | |
Cuthbert Allgood | Apr 2019 | #7 | |
George II | Apr 2019 | #35 | |
WhiskeyGrinder | Apr 2019 | #36 | |
George II | Apr 2019 | #39 | |
WhiskeyGrinder | Apr 2019 | #42 | |
George II | Apr 2019 | #43 | |
WhiskeyGrinder | Apr 2019 | #47 | |
progressoid | Apr 2019 | #50 | |
lapucelle | Apr 2019 | #58 | |
brooklynite | Apr 2019 | #9 | |
Demsrule86 | Apr 2019 | #20 | |
WhiskeyGrinder | Apr 2019 | #11 | |
Demsrule86 | Apr 2019 | #22 | |
Lordquinton | Apr 2019 | #23 | |
WhiskeyGrinder | Apr 2019 | #24 | |
dogman | Apr 2019 | #45 | |
George II | Apr 2019 | #40 | |
WhiskeyGrinder | Apr 2019 | #44 | |
beachbum bob | Apr 2019 | #26 | |
marylandblue | Apr 2019 | #49 | |
mobeau69 | Apr 2019 | #33 | |
Demsrule86 | Apr 2019 | #61 | |
mobeau69 | Apr 2019 | #70 | |
Blue_true | Apr 2019 | #48 | |
guillaumeb | Apr 2019 | #55 | |
Blue_true | Apr 2019 | #62 | |
hedda_foil | Apr 2019 | #57 | |
Blue_true | Apr 2019 | #63 | |
jalan48 | Apr 2019 | #56 | |
Fiendish Thingy | Apr 2019 | #64 | |
Demsrule86 | Apr 2019 | #72 | |
Demsrule86 | Apr 2019 | #66 | |
progressoid | Apr 2019 | #69 | |
Hassin Bin Sober | Apr 2019 | #71 | |
Celerity | Apr 2019 | #73 | |
EffieBlack | Apr 2019 | #74 |
Response to progressoid (Original post)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 12:13 PM
WeekiWater (3,259 posts)
1. And then there is what is actually at the link.
Cozen O’Connor represents a broad spectrum of private and public sector employers in labor relations and disputes. For our unionized clients, we handle unfair labor practice proceedings and grievance arbitrations; negotiate individual and multi-employer collective bargaining agreements; prepare for and respond to picket lines, strikes, lockouts, and other economic campaigns; and work with employers during union election campaigns. We also help employers avoid unionization through positive employee relations and regain nonunion status when employees indicate they no longer wish to be union-represented. We are experienced labor litigators, appearing frequently before federal, state, and appellate courts; federal agencies and departments (such as the EEOC, NLRB, DOL, IRS, OSHA, and ICE); state agencies and departments; and arbitration panels.
For our unionized clients, our labor practice is committed to fostering constructive management-labor relations over the long term. Our focus is on protecting our clients’ interests, with a recognition that a working relationship with union counterparts is often a desired goal. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to WeekiWater (Reply #1)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:08 PM
LongtimeAZDem (3,282 posts)
4. +1
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to LongtimeAZDem (Reply #4)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:28 PM
WhiskeyGrinder (6,775 posts)
14. Read more closely. They're a management-side firm and do not work for unions or their members.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #14)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:30 PM
LongtimeAZDem (3,282 posts)
17. They're lawyers. They work for clients.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to LongtimeAZDem (Reply #17)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:31 PM
WhiskeyGrinder (6,775 posts)
18. They accept and specialize their work for certain clients and not others.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #18)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:55 PM
LanternWaste (34,390 posts)
29. Like almost all lawyers...
![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to LanternWaste (Reply #29)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:57 PM
WhiskeyGrinder (6,775 posts)
31. Indeed.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to LanternWaste (Reply #29)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:20 PM
progressoid (44,578 posts)
38. Right. And their clients happen to be those at the top and not the workers.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to LongtimeAZDem (Reply #17)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:33 PM
Fiendish Thingy (2,960 posts)
65. "Unionized clients" mean management, not unions nt
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #14)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:00 PM
Demsrule86 (36,027 posts)
32. So what...they are one of 12...you need money. They are corporate lawyers...
This won't help your candidate.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #32)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:03 PM
WhiskeyGrinder (6,775 posts)
34. If I had decided on a candidate, maybe your comment would hit home.
"So what" is that I have a problem with Democratic politicians getting money from union-busters.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #34)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:03 PM
gateley (62,683 posts)
51. Just because Joe gets money from "union busters" doesn't mean they'll buy him off --
he doesn't do that.
ETA: I'm not crazy about it either, wish it could all be "pure" money but he's gotta do what he's gotta do. I trust him. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #34)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:07 PM
MyNameGoesHere (5,796 posts)
52. Wink wink
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to MyNameGoesHere (Reply #52)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:12 PM
WhiskeyGrinder (6,775 posts)
53. People might not believe it, but I don't have a preference in the primary.
Last edited Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:46 PM - Edit history (1) They all annoy me in different ways.
ETA: To clarify, there are those who would definitely bug me MORE if they were the nominee. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #34)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:41 PM
Demsrule86 (36,027 posts)
67. Oh please ...it is a Comcast fundraiser. And I dont give two fucks in the age of United
Where the money comes from...as long it is not illegal.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to WeekiWater (Reply #1)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:17 PM
progressoid (44,578 posts)
5. Maybe I missing something. What part of that is a good thing?
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to progressoid (Reply #5)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:19 PM
WeekiWater (3,259 posts)
6. The fact that they represent unions. Not sure how you are missing it.
Many outfits with expertise in this area offer their services to a wide variety of people. I know that doesn't fit the narrative built in the topic line.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to WeekiWater (Reply #6)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:24 PM
brooklynite (56,501 posts)
8. No they don't...
Read again; they represent "unionzed" employers.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Pete Buttigieg |
Response to brooklynite (Reply #8)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:13 PM
Demsrule86 (36,027 posts)
37. Here is the bottom line. The post is misleading it is sponsored by Comcast,
He is one of 12 on the board,. You need money. My daughter works in corporate accounting and is very liberal. Should she banned from Democratic politics?
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to WeekiWater (Reply #6)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:25 PM
WhiskeyGrinder (6,775 posts)
10. Read more closely. They're a management-side firm and do not work for unions or their members
at all.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to WeekiWater (Reply #6)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:25 PM
Hassin Bin Sober (21,991 posts)
12. That entire paragraph deals with their work on behalf of management.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Bernie Sanders |
Response to WeekiWater (Reply #6)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:26 PM
progressoid (44,578 posts)
13. "For our unionized clients"
They aren't representing the unions, but the companies that have to deal with the unions.
Our attorneys manage labor relations with a clear eye toward the bottom line.
They even brag about their victories: https://www.cozen.com/practices/labor-employment/labor-relations-disputes ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to progressoid (Reply #5)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:28 PM
Demsrule86 (36,027 posts)
15. NIce try for a smear ...undecided huh?
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #15)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:40 PM
progressoid (44,578 posts)
25. Yep. Undecided.
But Warren, Buttigieg, Inslee & Sanders are inching up the ladder. Thanks for asking.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to WeekiWater (Reply #1)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:52 PM
tymorial (3,209 posts)
27. You mean you actually read more than a headline?
How...... novel. I would have never thought to do this.... like so so so many others.
And just in case this wasn't obvious (honestly why don't people read) ![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to tymorial (Reply #27)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:26 PM
progressoid (44,578 posts)
41. Yes, you DO have to read more than a headline.
They don't represent Union members.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to progressoid (Reply #41)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:36 PM
tymorial (3,209 posts)
46. Cough
"For our unionized clients, we handle unfair labor practice proceedings and grievance arbitrations; negotiate individual and multi-employer collective bargaining agreements; prepare for and respond to picket lines, strikes, lockouts, and other economic campaigns; and work with employers during union election campaigns."
Rather than delete upon re- reading you may have a point that this does indicate he does not represent unions. I do stand behind my comment about headline reaction because it is fairly common though my misinterpretation of the article here is obvious. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to WeekiWater (Reply #1)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:19 PM
guillaumeb (37,412 posts)
54. So they will argue any position for money.
Understood.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to guillaumeb (Reply #54)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:54 PM
WhiskeyGrinder (6,775 posts)
59. Only if that position supports the employer.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to progressoid (Original post)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 12:13 PM
George II (46,124 posts)
2. And?
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to George II (Reply #2)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:07 PM
progressoid (44,578 posts)
3. Not exactly the best way to show you have the backs of the rust belt union members.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to progressoid (Reply #3)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:30 PM
Demsrule86 (36,027 posts)
16. Did you read it. They represent union as well.
Nice try....fail.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #16)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:31 PM
progressoid (44,578 posts)
19. "For our unionized clients"
They're talking about the employers, not the employees.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #16)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:31 PM
WhiskeyGrinder (6,775 posts)
21. Please highlight the part where they represent unions. I'm not seeing it.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #16)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:53 PM
tymorial (3,209 posts)
28. Too time consuming
Our Twitter culture has reduced information to short paragraphs. Context be damned.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to progressoid (Reply #3)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:57 PM
LanternWaste (34,390 posts)
30. No worries... as each candidate is imperfect.
Except for the Sacred Cows, which Joe ain't one.
Nice try, but ineffective. Try again. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to progressoid (Reply #3)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:20 PM
Demsrule86 (36,027 posts)
60. Right all corporations are evil.,.this purity crap is why we lose.
Hubs is in management in manufacturing and has worked every election in the last 20 years. I suppose that means he is not pure enough. How about this ,..Joe needs money and I don't care.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #60)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:47 PM
progressoid (44,578 posts)
68. Who said all corporations are evil?
My spouse works for a large medical corporation and has also been active in Democratic politics for the last couple decades.
No one is saying that all corporations (or people who work for them) are evil. However, if my spouse or I was a lawyer working against the interests of labor, I guarantee the local people (most of whom are pro-union) who work on the ground would be correctly concerned that we were on their side. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to George II (Reply #2)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:19 PM
Cuthbert Allgood (2,316 posts)
7. The Dem party supports unions.
Or did you not figure that part out yet?
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Elizabeth Warren |
Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #7)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:07 PM
George II (46,124 posts)
35. What's to figure out? Haven't you seen all the union endorsements that Biden already has?
Unfortunately people don't get into the guts of an article or past the headline. The premise of the OP's headline/article is false, if not blatantly offensive. As has already been posted here, Steven Cozen is NOT a "union buster", but I guess that doesn't fit the narrative.
Here's the FIRST sentence in the article in the OP: PITTSBURGH, PA. – On Monday, Vice President Joe Biden intends to launch his presidential campaign at the Teamsters Local 249 in Pittsburgh with United Steelworkers President Leo Gerard appearing alongside him.
Why would the President of the Pittsburgh local of the United Steelworkers Union endorse Biden if he's a buddy of a "union buster". Has anyone bothered to look into the background/history of the author of that hit piece, Mike Elk? For one thing, he was employed by the Obama/Biden campaign, perhaps he was dismissed or has an ax to grind for some reason? He was also named 2015 Man of the Year by The Washington Free Beacon!! https://freebeacon.com/men-of-the-year/2015-man-of-the-year-mike-elk/ Seems mighty suspicious that someone who was the Free Beacon's Man of the Year is now falsely characterizing Steven Cozen and his association with Joe Biden. Sorry, the credibility of the characterization of the people discussed in that article is, as it should be, suspect. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to George II (Reply #35)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:10 PM
WhiskeyGrinder (6,775 posts)
36. Biden has not gotten any union endorsements.
He has gotten support from union leaders and some rank and file. There is a difference.
Why would the President of the Pittsburgh local of the United Steelworkers Union endorse Biden if he's a buddy of a "union buster".
That's the kind of question I'd like to see more people in labor asking -- especially because Gerard is the president of the international, not the local. Anyway, I'm still not seeing any evidence that Cozen does other work than busting and suppressing unions and their members. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #36)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:23 PM
George II (46,124 posts)
39. See post #1, thank you.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to George II (Reply #39)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:27 PM
WhiskeyGrinder (6,775 posts)
42. Am I through the looking glass? This is an anti-union law firm.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #42)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:29 PM
George II (46,124 posts)
43. No it isn't.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to George II (Reply #43)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:49 PM
WhiskeyGrinder (6,775 posts)
47. Post no. 1 shows it is.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to George II (Reply #35)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:00 PM
progressoid (44,578 posts)
50. Why would the President of the Pittsburgh local of the United Steelworkers Union endorse Biden?
From the linked article.
Also, seems like the Free Beacon Man of the Year piece was sarcasm. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to George II (Reply #35)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:36 PM
lapucelle (8,939 posts)
58. Mike Elk...
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Elizabeth Warren |
Response to progressoid (Original post)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:24 PM
brooklynite (56,501 posts)
9. Bashing! Hit Job! Assasination! Smear!
Just figured I'd get that out of the way so we can have an informed discussion...
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Pete Buttigieg |
Response to brooklynite (Reply #9)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:31 PM
Demsrule86 (36,027 posts)
20. Funny but what you say is true,..all of those things.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to progressoid (Original post)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:25 PM
WhiskeyGrinder (6,775 posts)
11. Glad to see this thread come back. Some people just don't like the truth.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #11)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:32 PM
Demsrule86 (36,027 posts)
22. Yeah and some only tell part of the truth.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #22)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:34 PM
Lordquinton (7,785 posts)
23. You are so correct
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Elizabeth Warren |
Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #22)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:36 PM
WhiskeyGrinder (6,775 posts)
24. It's an anti-union law firm. That's it. Some people are okay with it, some aren't.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #24)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:34 PM
dogman (6,073 posts)
45. Cohen may not be a lobbyist, but he sure employs a lot of lobbyists.
Seems like having your cake and eating it too.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Bernie Sanders |
Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #11)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:24 PM
George II (46,124 posts)
40. And some don't mind bashing prominent and well respected members of the Democratic Party.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to George II (Reply #40)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:29 PM
WhiskeyGrinder (6,775 posts)
44. The truth isn't bashing.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to progressoid (Original post)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:50 PM
beachbum bob (10,437 posts)
26. all noise, to bolster the failing prospects of 20 announced candidates
be no shortage of this for next 18 months by GOP and the ones who should be on our side who are never happy unless they get their way, no matter how small a minority they are
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to beachbum bob (Reply #26)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 05:38 PM
marylandblue (11,938 posts)
49. Excuse me? "Bolster the failing prospects of 20 announced candidates?"
Have the primaries been cancelled?
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Elizabeth Warren |
Response to progressoid (Original post)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:01 PM
mobeau69 (5,360 posts)
33. This report is spot on. Some need to open their eyes and read. Hint: "This is an apple"
The Comcast part pisses me off even more.
https://readsludge.com/2019/04/23/net-neutrality-skeptic-joe-biden-is-attending-a-fundraiser-held-by-comcasts-top-lobbyist/ I will support whoever our nominee is but I think this election is a chance for real change. Not a time for compromising on actual progressive positions like net neutrality. Fuck Comcast. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Pete Buttigieg |
Response to mobeau69 (Reply #33)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:23 PM
Demsrule86 (36,027 posts)
61. Doesn't bother me at all..
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #61)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:02 PM
mobeau69 (5,360 posts)
70. But do you like it?
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Pete Buttigieg |
Response to progressoid (Original post)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 05:19 PM
Blue_true (18,956 posts)
48. They are advisors, not Union busters.
The over the top headline is a bit much.
One of the reasons why Silicon Valley and the high tech world in general are not unionized to any significant extent is firms in that sector lead on pay and benefits at every level, as well as other things that are just catching on at more traditional companies, such as wellness programs and bonuses to all employees for good operating results. The firm gives out that advice, based upon a read of their charter. BTW, you ignored that they advise firms not to layoff jobs that they latter ignore laid off employees for when rehiring for those jobs. That bit of information doesn't fit the headline's narrative. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Blue_true (Reply #48)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:20 PM
guillaumeb (37,412 posts)
55. It is pure semantics.
Advisors sounds much nicer than union busters.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to guillaumeb (Reply #55)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:25 PM
Blue_true (18,956 posts)
62. Actually they are. Thanks for helping with wording. nt
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Blue_true (Reply #48)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:25 PM
hedda_foil (13,791 posts)
57. The only difference between advisors and lobbyists in this context is purely rhetorical.
Joe is being sold exactly as every other establishment endorsed nominee of lo these many years. Shall we count the won-lost record of these nominees the party establishment considered most electable vs those who weren't their preferred nominee? Let's see.
Year Name Won/Lost Most "Electable"? 1976 Jimmy Carter Won No 1980 Carter Lost Yes 1984 Mondale Lost Yes 1988 Dukakis Lost Yes 1992 Clinton Won No 1996 Clinton Won No 2000 Gore Lost Yes (ran away from Clinton, as advised) 2004 Kerry Lost Yes 2008 Obama Won No (Hillary was their favorite) 2012 Obama Won Yes 2016 H. Clinton Lost Yes 2020 Biden? Yes Yes there are decent excuses to be made for all the losses, but the won-lost record of the Democratic establishment sucks. Anyone who supports a candidate because they're supposed to be the most electable should probably ask "Says Who?" ` ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Elizabeth Warren |
Response to hedda_foil (Reply #57)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:30 PM
Blue_true (18,956 posts)
63. Well.
1932: FDR Yes:Yes
Earlier (when repugh was decent) TR. Yes:Yes Woodrow Wilson Yes:Yes So, Yes:Yes did win and do significant stuff. What was the key? They all ran against a deeply flawed opponent. ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to progressoid (Original post)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:24 PM
jalan48 (9,672 posts)
56. I think it's called hedging your bet.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to progressoid (Original post)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:32 PM
Fiendish Thingy (2,960 posts)
64. Mm, hm. Joe is the "safe" candidate...
Safe for whom?
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #64)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:06 PM
Demsrule86 (36,027 posts)
72. Tossing Trump out of office.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to progressoid (Original post)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:36 PM
Demsrule86 (36,027 posts)
66. Um Comcast is hosting it.
Why the deceptive post...do you find it more effective, we'll It's not.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden |
Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #66)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:53 PM
progressoid (44,578 posts)
69. In 2013, Cohen endorsed sitting Republican Governor Tom Corbett for the Governor's bid.
David L. Cohen is an American businessman, attorney, and political figure in Pennsylvania. He is best known for being a close confidant of former Pennsylvania governor Ed Rendell. He currently serves as chairman of the board of trustees of the University of Pennsylvania, and he is the executive vice president of Comcast;[3] the company's chief of lobbying.[4]
... In February 2013, Cohen endorsed sitting Republican Governor Tom Corbett for the Governor's potential re-election bid.[15] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_L._Cohen ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #66)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:03 PM
Hassin Bin Sober (21,991 posts)
71. Well that's better.
![]() primary today, I would vote for: Bernie Sanders |
Response to progressoid (Original post)
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 02:31 PM
Celerity (7,186 posts)
73. Biden co-host Dan Hilferty's group (AHIP)pumped $102 million in 14 months to try and block Obamacare
Now they are doing the same with MFA and even the much milder buy-in option. No chance Biden should get a free pass on this.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1002805314 As the Supreme Court readies to announce their decision on the individual mandate portion of the health reform, it has emerged that the largest health care lobbying group in the country spent a total of $102.4 million in just 15 months to prevent Obamacare from becoming law in the first place. In 2009 alone, America’s Health Insurance Plans (AHIP) pumped $86.2 million into a conservative lobbying group, the US Chamber of Commerce, to combat President Obama’s health care reform plan. But with the added months of 2010 prior to the ACA’s March passage, AHIP piled on an additional $16 million to be used against the bill. That staggering total, which the National Journal’s Influence Alley uncovered today, was not out in the open — rather, the funds were transferred through a secretive process and listed only by the organization as ‘advocacy’ spending: The backchannel spending allowed insurers to publicly stake out a pro-reform position while privately funding the leading anti-reform lobbying group in Washington. The chamber spent tens of millions of dollars bankrolling efforts to kill health care reform. more at link http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/06/13/499093/health-care-insurers-spent-100-million-to-combat-the-affordable-care-act/ ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |
Response to progressoid (Original post)
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 10:33 PM
EffieBlack (14,157 posts)
74. This is the kind of holier-than-thou circular firing squad crap that softened up Hillary for Trump
And here we go again already ...
![]() ![]() primary today, I would vote for: Undecided |