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progressoid

(49,969 posts)
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 01:09 PM Apr 2019

Union-Busting Lawyer to Host Biden's 1st Fundraiser Thursday

PITTSBURGH, PA. – On Monday, Vice President Joe Biden intends to launch his presidential campaign at the Teamsters Local 249 in Pittsburgh with United Steelworkers President Leo Gerard appearing alongside him.

However, first, on Thursday, Biden is hosting a $2,800 dollar-a-plate fundraiser at the mansion of Comcast Executive President David Cohen in Philadelphia. Among the dozen select political power players on the host committee for Biden’s 1st fundraiser are Steven Cozen, founder and chairman of the union-busting law firm Cozen O’Connor.

According to Cozen O’Connor website, the firm specializes in union busting advertising that it helps employers to “avoid unionization through positive employee relations and regain nonunion status when employees indicate they no longer wish to be union-represented”.

The firm also boasts on its website that it helps employers to lock out their unionized workforce.

The inclusion of Cozen on Biden’s first fundraiser raises lingering questions about Biden’s continued commitment to organized labor and why so many labor leaders are eager to hop on board with Biden.

more...http://paydayreport.com/union-busting-lawyer-to-host-bidens-1st-fundraiser-thursday/









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Union-Busting Lawyer to Host Biden's 1st Fundraiser Thursday (Original Post) progressoid Apr 2019 OP
And then there is what is actually at the link. WeekiWater Apr 2019 #1
+1 LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #4
Read more closely. They're a management-side firm and do not work for unions or their members. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #14
They're lawyers. They work for clients. LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #17
They accept and specialize their work for certain clients and not others. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #18
Like almost all lawyers... LanternWaste Apr 2019 #29
Indeed. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #31
Right. And their clients happen to be those at the top and not the workers. progressoid Apr 2019 #38
"Unionized clients" mean management, not unions nt Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #65
So what...they are one of 12...you need money. They are corporate lawyers... Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #32
If I had decided on a candidate, maybe your comment would hit home. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #34
Just because Joe gets money from "union busters" doesn't mean they'll buy him off -- gateley Apr 2019 #51
Wink wink MyNameGoesHere Apr 2019 #52
People might not believe it, but I don't have a preference in the primary. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #53
Oh please ...it is a Comcast fundraiser. And I dont give two fucks in the age of United Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #67
Maybe I missing something. What part of that is a good thing? progressoid Apr 2019 #5
The fact that they represent unions. Not sure how you are missing it. WeekiWater Apr 2019 #6
No they don't... brooklynite Apr 2019 #8
Here is the bottom line. The post is misleading it is sponsored by Comcast, Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #37
Read more closely. They're a management-side firm and do not work for unions or their members WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #10
That entire paragraph deals with their work on behalf of management. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2019 #12
"For our unionized clients" progressoid Apr 2019 #13
NIce try for a smear ...undecided huh? Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #15
Yep. Undecided. progressoid Apr 2019 #25
You mean you actually read more than a headline? tymorial Apr 2019 #27
Yes, you DO have to read more than a headline. progressoid Apr 2019 #41
Cough tymorial Apr 2019 #46
So they will argue any position for money. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #54
Only if that position supports the employer. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #59
And? George II Apr 2019 #2
Not exactly the best way to show you have the backs of the rust belt union members. progressoid Apr 2019 #3
Did you read it. They represent union as well. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #16
"For our unionized clients" progressoid Apr 2019 #19
Please highlight the part where they represent unions. I'm not seeing it. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #21
Too time consuming tymorial Apr 2019 #28
No worries... as each candidate is imperfect. LanternWaste Apr 2019 #30
Right all corporations are evil.,.this purity crap is why we lose. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #60
Who said all corporations are evil? progressoid Apr 2019 #68
The Dem party supports unions. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2019 #7
What's to figure out? Haven't you seen all the union endorsements that Biden already has? George II Apr 2019 #35
Biden has not gotten any union endorsements. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #36
See post #1, thank you. George II Apr 2019 #39
Am I through the looking glass? This is an anti-union law firm. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #42
No it isn't. George II Apr 2019 #43
Post no. 1 shows it is. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #47
Why would the President of the Pittsburgh local of the United Steelworkers Union endorse Biden? progressoid Apr 2019 #50
Mike Elk... lapucelle Apr 2019 #58
Bashing! Hit Job! Assasination! Smear! brooklynite Apr 2019 #9
Funny but what you say is true,..all of those things. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #20
Glad to see this thread come back. Some people just don't like the truth. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #11
Yeah and some only tell part of the truth. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #22
You are so correct Lordquinton Apr 2019 #23
It's an anti-union law firm. That's it. Some people are okay with it, some aren't. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #24
Cohen may not be a lobbyist, but he sure employs a lot of lobbyists. dogman Apr 2019 #45
And some don't mind bashing prominent and well respected members of the Democratic Party. George II Apr 2019 #40
The truth isn't bashing. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #44
all noise, to bolster the failing prospects of 20 announced candidates beachbum bob Apr 2019 #26
Excuse me? "Bolster the failing prospects of 20 announced candidates?" marylandblue Apr 2019 #49
This report is spot on. Some need to open their eyes and read. Hint: "This is an apple" mobeau69 Apr 2019 #33
Doesn't bother me at all.. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #61
But do you like it? mobeau69 Apr 2019 #70
They are advisors, not Union busters. Blue_true Apr 2019 #48
It is pure semantics. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #55
Actually they are. Thanks for helping with wording. nt Blue_true Apr 2019 #62
The only difference between advisors and lobbyists in this context is purely rhetorical. hedda_foil Apr 2019 #57
Well. Blue_true Apr 2019 #63
I think it's called hedging your bet. jalan48 Apr 2019 #56
Mm, hm. Joe is the "safe" candidate... Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #64
Tossing Trump out of office. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #72
Um Comcast is hosting it. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #66
In 2013, Cohen endorsed sitting Republican Governor Tom Corbett for the Governor's bid. progressoid Apr 2019 #69
Well that's better. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2019 #71
Biden co-host Dan Hilferty's group (AHIP)pumped $102 million in 14 months to try and block Obamacare Celerity Apr 2019 #73
This is the kind of holier-than-thou circular firing squad crap that softened up Hillary for Trump EffieBlack Apr 2019 #74
 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
1. And then there is what is actually at the link.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 01:13 PM
Apr 2019

Cozen O’Connor represents a broad spectrum of private and public sector employers in labor relations and disputes. For our unionized clients, we handle unfair labor practice proceedings and grievance arbitrations; negotiate individual and multi-employer collective bargaining agreements; prepare for and respond to picket lines, strikes, lockouts, and other economic campaigns; and work with employers during union election campaigns. We also help employers avoid unionization through positive employee relations and regain nonunion status when employees indicate they no longer wish to be union-represented. We are experienced labor litigators, appearing frequently before federal, state, and appellate courts; federal agencies and departments (such as the EEOC, NLRB, DOL, IRS, OSHA, and ICE); state agencies and departments; and arbitration panels.

For our unionized clients, our labor practice is committed to fostering constructive management-labor relations over the long term. Our focus is on protecting our clients’ interests, with a recognition that a working relationship with union counterparts is often a desired goal.

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WhiskeyGrinder

(22,316 posts)
14. Read more closely. They're a management-side firm and do not work for unions or their members.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:28 PM
Apr 2019
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LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
17. They're lawyers. They work for clients.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:30 PM
Apr 2019
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WhiskeyGrinder

(22,316 posts)
18. They accept and specialize their work for certain clients and not others.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:31 PM
Apr 2019
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LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
29. Like almost all lawyers...
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:55 PM
Apr 2019
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progressoid

(49,969 posts)
38. Right. And their clients happen to be those at the top and not the workers.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 05:20 PM
Apr 2019
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Fiendish Thingy

(15,568 posts)
65. "Unionized clients" mean management, not unions nt
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:33 PM
Apr 2019
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Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
32. So what...they are one of 12...you need money. They are corporate lawyers...
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 05:00 PM
Apr 2019

This won't help your candidate.

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WhiskeyGrinder

(22,316 posts)
34. If I had decided on a candidate, maybe your comment would hit home.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 05:03 PM
Apr 2019

"So what" is that I have a problem with Democratic politicians getting money from union-busters.

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gateley

(62,683 posts)
51. Just because Joe gets money from "union busters" doesn't mean they'll buy him off --
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:03 PM
Apr 2019

he doesn't do that.

ETA: I'm not crazy about it either, wish it could all be "pure" money but he's gotta do what he's gotta do. I trust him.

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WhiskeyGrinder

(22,316 posts)
53. People might not believe it, but I don't have a preference in the primary.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:12 PM
Apr 2019

Last edited Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:46 PM - Edit history (1)

They all annoy me in different ways.

ETA: To clarify, there are those who would definitely bug me MORE if they were the nominee.

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Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
67. Oh please ...it is a Comcast fundraiser. And I dont give two fucks in the age of United
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:41 PM
Apr 2019

Where the money comes from...as long it is not illegal.

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progressoid

(49,969 posts)
5. Maybe I missing something. What part of that is a good thing?
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:17 PM
Apr 2019
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WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
6. The fact that they represent unions. Not sure how you are missing it.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:19 PM
Apr 2019

Many outfits with expertise in this area offer their services to a wide variety of people. I know that doesn't fit the narrative built in the topic line.

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brooklynite

(94,489 posts)
8. No they don't...
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:24 PM
Apr 2019

Read again; they represent "unionzed" employers.

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Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
37. Here is the bottom line. The post is misleading it is sponsored by Comcast,
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 05:13 PM
Apr 2019

He is one of 12 on the board,. You need money. My daughter works in corporate accounting and is very liberal. Should she banned from Democratic politics?

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WhiskeyGrinder

(22,316 posts)
10. Read more closely. They're a management-side firm and do not work for unions or their members
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:25 PM
Apr 2019

at all.

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Hassin Bin Sober

(26,324 posts)
12. That entire paragraph deals with their work on behalf of management.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:25 PM
Apr 2019
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progressoid

(49,969 posts)
13. "For our unionized clients"
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:26 PM
Apr 2019

They aren't representing the unions, but the companies that have to deal with the unions.

Our attorneys manage labor relations with a clear eye toward the bottom line.


They even brag about their victories:
https://www.cozen.com/practices/labor-employment/labor-relations-disputes
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Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
15. NIce try for a smear ...undecided huh?
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:28 PM
Apr 2019
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progressoid

(49,969 posts)
25. Yep. Undecided.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:40 PM
Apr 2019

But Warren, Buttigieg, Inslee & Sanders are inching up the ladder. Thanks for asking.

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tymorial

(3,433 posts)
27. You mean you actually read more than a headline?
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:52 PM
Apr 2019

How...... novel. I would have never thought to do this.... like so so so many others.

And just in case this wasn't obvious (honestly why don't people read)

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progressoid

(49,969 posts)
41. Yes, you DO have to read more than a headline.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 05:26 PM
Apr 2019

They don't represent Union members.

Cozen O’Connor’s traditional labor attorneys demonstrate a real commitment to understanding and supporting their clients’ business goals. We think not only about the technical legal matters, but also about how labor issues connect in a practical sense to business operations and strategy. Our attorneys manage labor relations with a clear eye toward the bottom line.

SERVICE AREAS

- Defend clients in unfair labor practice proceedings and handle grievance arbitrations
- Negotiate individual and multi-employer collective bargaining agreements
- Prepare for and respond to picketing, strikes, lockouts and other economic tactics
- Work with employers to avoid unionization through positive employee relations or to regain nonunion status when employees no longer wish to be union-represented
- Advise clients on the labor relations consequences of business events, including mergers, spin-offs, acquisitions, and bankruptcies
- Represent employers in significant labor-related litigations, mediations, and arbitrations

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tymorial

(3,433 posts)
46. Cough
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 05:36 PM
Apr 2019

"For our unionized clients, we handle unfair labor practice proceedings and grievance arbitrations; negotiate individual and multi-employer collective bargaining agreements; prepare for and respond to picket lines, strikes, lockouts, and other economic campaigns; and work with employers during union election campaigns."


Rather than delete upon re- reading you may have a point that this does indicate he does not represent unions.

I do stand behind my comment about headline reaction because it is fairly common though my misinterpretation of the article here is obvious.

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guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
54. So they will argue any position for money.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:19 PM
Apr 2019

Understood.

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WhiskeyGrinder

(22,316 posts)
59. Only if that position supports the employer.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:54 PM
Apr 2019
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progressoid

(49,969 posts)
3. Not exactly the best way to show you have the backs of the rust belt union members.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:07 PM
Apr 2019
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Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
16. Did you read it. They represent union as well.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:30 PM
Apr 2019

Nice try....fail.

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progressoid

(49,969 posts)
19. "For our unionized clients"
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:31 PM
Apr 2019

They're talking about the employers, not the employees.

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WhiskeyGrinder

(22,316 posts)
21. Please highlight the part where they represent unions. I'm not seeing it.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:31 PM
Apr 2019
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tymorial

(3,433 posts)
28. Too time consuming
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:53 PM
Apr 2019

Our Twitter culture has reduced information to short paragraphs. Context be damned.

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LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
30. No worries... as each candidate is imperfect.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:57 PM
Apr 2019

Except for the Sacred Cows, which Joe ain't one.

Nice try, but ineffective. Try again.

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Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
60. Right all corporations are evil.,.this purity crap is why we lose.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:20 PM
Apr 2019

Hubs is in management in manufacturing and has worked every election in the last 20 years. I suppose that means he is not pure enough. How about this ,..Joe needs money and I don't care.

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progressoid

(49,969 posts)
68. Who said all corporations are evil?
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:47 PM
Apr 2019

My spouse works for a large medical corporation and has also been active in Democratic politics for the last couple decades.

No one is saying that all corporations (or people who work for them) are evil. However, if my spouse or I was a lawyer working against the interests of labor, I guarantee the local people (most of whom are pro-union) who work on the ground would be correctly concerned that we were on their side.

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Cuthbert Allgood

(4,915 posts)
7. The Dem party supports unions.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:19 PM
Apr 2019

Or did you not figure that part out yet?

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George II

(67,782 posts)
35. What's to figure out? Haven't you seen all the union endorsements that Biden already has?
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 05:07 PM
Apr 2019

Unfortunately people don't get into the guts of an article or past the headline. The premise of the OP's headline/article is false, if not blatantly offensive. As has already been posted here, Steven Cozen is NOT a "union buster", but I guess that doesn't fit the narrative.

Here's the FIRST sentence in the article in the OP:

PITTSBURGH, PA. – On Monday, Vice President Joe Biden intends to launch his presidential campaign at the Teamsters Local 249 in Pittsburgh with United Steelworkers President Leo Gerard appearing alongside him.


Why would the President of the Pittsburgh local of the United Steelworkers Union endorse Biden if he's a buddy of a "union buster".

Has anyone bothered to look into the background/history of the author of that hit piece, Mike Elk? For one thing, he was employed by the Obama/Biden campaign, perhaps he was dismissed or has an ax to grind for some reason? He was also named 2015 Man of the Year by The Washington Free Beacon!!

https://freebeacon.com/men-of-the-year/2015-man-of-the-year-mike-elk/

Seems mighty suspicious that someone who was the Free Beacon's Man of the Year is now falsely characterizing Steven Cozen and his association with Joe Biden.

Sorry, the credibility of the characterization of the people discussed in that article is, as it should be, suspect.


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WhiskeyGrinder

(22,316 posts)
36. Biden has not gotten any union endorsements.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 05:10 PM
Apr 2019

He has gotten support from union leaders and some rank and file. There is a difference.

Why would the President of the Pittsburgh local of the United Steelworkers Union endorse Biden if he's a buddy of a "union buster".

That's the kind of question I'd like to see more people in labor asking -- especially because Gerard is the president of the international, not the local.

Anyway, I'm still not seeing any evidence that Cozen does other work than busting and suppressing unions and their members.
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George II

(67,782 posts)
39. See post #1, thank you.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 05:23 PM
Apr 2019
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WhiskeyGrinder

(22,316 posts)
42. Am I through the looking glass? This is an anti-union law firm.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 05:27 PM
Apr 2019
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WhiskeyGrinder

(22,316 posts)
47. Post no. 1 shows it is.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 05:49 PM
Apr 2019
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progressoid

(49,969 posts)
50. Why would the President of the Pittsburgh local of the United Steelworkers Union endorse Biden?
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:00 PM
Apr 2019

From the linked article.

In recent years, the Steelworkers have garnered a reputation as being one of the more conservative unions in the labor movement...

many of the labor leaders of the more white-male lead construction and manufacturing unions like Gerard have decided to get behind Biden.

...

For many in the rank and file of the increasingly diverse labor movement, the decision of so many old white male labor leaders to hop on Biden, an inconsistent an ally of organized labor, is head-scratching.

“The people who run American labor are often stupid. This is obvious” wrote African American Pittsburgh-area union activist Phillip Shropshire on facebook.


Also, seems like the Free Beacon Man of the Year piece was sarcasm.





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brooklynite

(94,489 posts)
9. Bashing! Hit Job! Assasination! Smear!
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:24 PM
Apr 2019

Just figured I'd get that out of the way so we can have an informed discussion...

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Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
20. Funny but what you say is true,..all of those things.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:31 PM
Apr 2019
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WhiskeyGrinder

(22,316 posts)
11. Glad to see this thread come back. Some people just don't like the truth.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:25 PM
Apr 2019
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Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
22. Yeah and some only tell part of the truth.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:32 PM
Apr 2019
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WhiskeyGrinder

(22,316 posts)
24. It's an anti-union law firm. That's it. Some people are okay with it, some aren't.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:36 PM
Apr 2019
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dogman

(6,073 posts)
45. Cohen may not be a lobbyist, but he sure employs a lot of lobbyists.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 05:34 PM
Apr 2019

Seems like having your cake and eating it too.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
40. And some don't mind bashing prominent and well respected members of the Democratic Party.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 05:24 PM
Apr 2019
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WhiskeyGrinder

(22,316 posts)
44. The truth isn't bashing.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 05:29 PM
Apr 2019
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beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
26. all noise, to bolster the failing prospects of 20 announced candidates
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:50 PM
Apr 2019

be no shortage of this for next 18 months by GOP and the ones who should be on our side who are never happy unless they get their way, no matter how small a minority they are

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marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
49. Excuse me? "Bolster the failing prospects of 20 announced candidates?"
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:38 PM
Apr 2019

Have the primaries been cancelled?

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mobeau69

(11,139 posts)
33. This report is spot on. Some need to open their eyes and read. Hint: "This is an apple"
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 05:01 PM
Apr 2019

The Comcast part pisses me off even more.

https://readsludge.com/2019/04/23/net-neutrality-skeptic-joe-biden-is-attending-a-fundraiser-held-by-comcasts-top-lobbyist/

I will support whoever our nominee is but I think this election is a chance for real change. Not a time for compromising on actual progressive positions like net neutrality.

Fuck Comcast.

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Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
61. Doesn't bother me at all..
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:23 PM
Apr 2019
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mobeau69

(11,139 posts)
70. But do you like it?
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:02 PM
Apr 2019
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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
48. They are advisors, not Union busters.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 06:19 PM
Apr 2019

The over the top headline is a bit much.

One of the reasons why Silicon Valley and the high tech world in general are not unionized to any significant extent is firms in that sector lead on pay and benefits at every level, as well as other things that are just catching on at more traditional companies, such as wellness programs and bonuses to all employees for good operating results.

The firm gives out that advice, based upon a read of their charter.

BTW, you ignored that they advise firms not to layoff jobs that they latter ignore laid off employees for when rehiring for those jobs. That bit of information doesn't fit the headline's narrative.

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guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
55. It is pure semantics.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:20 PM
Apr 2019

Advisors sounds much nicer than union busters.

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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
62. Actually they are. Thanks for helping with wording. nt
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:25 PM
Apr 2019
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hedda_foil

(16,371 posts)
57. The only difference between advisors and lobbyists in this context is purely rhetorical.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:25 PM
Apr 2019

Joe is being sold exactly as every other establishment endorsed nominee of lo these many years. Shall we count the won-lost record of these nominees the party establishment considered most electable vs those who weren't their preferred nominee? Let's see.

Year Name Won/Lost Most "Electable"?
1976 Jimmy Carter Won No
1980 Carter Lost Yes
1984 Mondale Lost Yes
1988 Dukakis Lost Yes
1992 Clinton Won No
1996 Clinton Won No
2000 Gore Lost Yes (ran away from Clinton, as advised)
2004 Kerry Lost Yes
2008 Obama Won No (Hillary was their favorite)
2012 Obama Won Yes
2016 H. Clinton Lost Yes
2020 Biden? Yes

Yes there are decent excuses to be made for all the losses, but the won-lost record of the Democratic establishment sucks. Anyone who supports a candidate because they're supposed to be the most electable should probably ask "Says Who?"





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If I were to vote in a presidential
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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
63. Well.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:30 PM
Apr 2019

1932: FDR Yes:Yes

Earlier (when repugh was decent) TR. Yes:Yes

Woodrow Wilson Yes:Yes

So, Yes:Yes did win and do significant stuff. What was the key? They all ran against a deeply flawed opponent.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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jalan48

(13,855 posts)
56. I think it's called hedging your bet.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:24 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Fiendish Thingy

(15,568 posts)
64. Mm, hm. Joe is the "safe" candidate...
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:32 PM
Apr 2019

Safe for whom?

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Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
72. Tossing Trump out of office.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 10:06 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
66. Um Comcast is hosting it.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:36 PM
Apr 2019

Why the deceptive post...do you find it more effective, we'll It's not.

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progressoid

(49,969 posts)
69. In 2013, Cohen endorsed sitting Republican Governor Tom Corbett for the Governor's bid.
Thu Apr 25, 2019, 09:53 PM
Apr 2019

David L. Cohen is an American businessman, attorney, and political figure in Pennsylvania. He is best known for being a close confidant of former Pennsylvania governor Ed Rendell. He currently serves as chairman of the board of trustees of the University of Pennsylvania, and he is the executive vice president of Comcast;[3] the company's chief of lobbying.[4]

...

In February 2013, Cohen endorsed sitting Republican Governor Tom Corbett for the Governor's potential re-election bid.[15]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_L._Cohen

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Celerity

(43,283 posts)
73. Biden co-host Dan Hilferty's group (AHIP)pumped $102 million in 14 months to try and block Obamacare
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 03:31 PM
Apr 2019

Now they are doing the same with MFA and even the much milder buy-in option. No chance Biden should get a free pass on this.


https://www.democraticunderground.com/1002805314

As the Supreme Court readies to announce their decision on the individual mandate portion of the health reform, it has emerged that the largest health care lobbying group in the country spent a total of $102.4 million in just 15 months to prevent Obamacare from becoming law in the first place.

In 2009 alone, America’s Health Insurance Plans (AHIP) pumped $86.2 million into a conservative lobbying group, the US Chamber of Commerce, to combat President Obama’s health care reform plan. But with the added months of 2010 prior to the ACA’s March passage, AHIP piled on an additional $16 million to be used against the bill.

That staggering total, which the National Journal’s Influence Alley uncovered today, was not out in the open — rather, the funds were transferred through a secretive process and listed only by the organization as ‘advocacy’ spending:

The backchannel spending allowed insurers to publicly stake out a pro-reform position while privately funding the leading anti-reform lobbying group in Washington. The chamber spent tens of millions of dollars bankrolling efforts to kill health care reform.


more at link
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/06/13/499093/health-care-insurers-spent-100-million-to-combat-the-affordable-care-act/

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EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
74. This is the kind of holier-than-thou circular firing squad crap that softened up Hillary for Trump
Sat Apr 27, 2019, 11:33 PM
Apr 2019

And here we go again already ...

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