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Thu Apr 25, 2019, 02:49 PM

 

You have to think about electability

Let me begin by stating that I, personally, have no problems with any of the candidates. I am excited by all of them. So excited. Super excited and not even a tiny bit uncomfortable. Gosh, I would vote for these candidates as many times as I saw ďGet Out,Ē as well as once for every mug or tote bag I own that says ďThe Future is FemaleĒ or ďLove is LoveĒ on it. (Imagine a lot of mugs and tote bags.) Were only that legal!

But you have to think about electability.

I just think people ó again, not me, Iím on board, just Ö people ó might not vote for this candidate. Because the candidate is a little, well, you know.

I mean, it doesnít bother me. But think of people, other people, people maybe with trucks or something, people who arenít as, well, enlightened as you and, of course, me. These benighted, backward people might not be ready to vote for Ö someone like this.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/04/25/you-have-think-about-electability/?tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.4d0ff2d3c550



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Reply You have to think about electability (Original post)
demmiblue Apr 2019 OP
ancianita Apr 2019 #1
Siwsan Apr 2019 #2
demmiblue Apr 2019 #3
Siwsan Apr 2019 #4
demmiblue Apr 2019 #8
Siwsan Apr 2019 #10
demmiblue Apr 2019 #17
Siwsan Apr 2019 #19
demmiblue Apr 2019 #21
JonLP24 Apr 2019 #7
Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #11
BlueStater Apr 2019 #5
demmiblue Apr 2019 #9
Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #12
BlueStater Apr 2019 #14
Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #36
Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #38
mobeau69 Apr 2019 #28
yaesu Apr 2019 #6
Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #13
Butterflylady Apr 2019 #15
BlueStater Apr 2019 #18
Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #32
IphengeniaBlumgarten Apr 2019 #16
JonLP24 Apr 2019 #20
Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #33
Demit Apr 2019 #22
demmiblue Apr 2019 #25
elleng Apr 2019 #27
Gothmog Apr 2019 #23
elleng Apr 2019 #24
elleng Apr 2019 #26
Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #29
Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #35
Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #41
Sherman A1 Apr 2019 #30
delisen Apr 2019 #31
Otto Lidenbrock Apr 2019 #34
BlueStater Apr 2019 #37
Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #39
Otto Lidenbrock Apr 2019 #40

Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 02:53 PM

1. You have to think about winning even more.

 

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 02:53 PM

2. We are currently in no position to "Risk" anything

 

At this point, electability is #1. We have a bunch of great candidates that, even if not at the top of the ticket, can help, in so many ways, to work towards the repair of what is becoming a dangerously broken system.
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden

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Response to Siwsan (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 02:57 PM

3. I personally don't think having a woman, PoC or LGBT candidate is a risk.

 

Nor do I think that it makes them less electable. Opinions vary on this, though.
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Response to demmiblue (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:03 PM

4. You don't and I don't. We have to worry about a whole lot more people, though

 

People on the 'edge' of the political divide. Whose beckon are they more likely to gravitate towards. Who will they, right or wrong, feel more comfortable and confident in, as POTUS. I'm not saying it's right. I'm just saying it's reality.
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Response to Siwsan (Reply #4)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:12 PM

8. Did you feel that way about Clinton or Obama?

 

Clinton won three million more votes than Trump (facing a lot of interference); Obama won Michigan by 17% over McCain in 2008. That's some reality right there.

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #8)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:28 PM

10. I readily admit that it was a bit of a worry in 2008.

 

I remember the feeling of joy and astonishment that washed over me, election night, where I almost pinched myself, to see if I was dreaming. I worried less in 2012, but still, as I recall, the vote did a little movement away from Blue.

I believe there are people who didn't normally vote, but did come out and vote for trump*. It might be a toss up if they were voting for him, or against Hillary. Did they not want her because of her gender, or because of her husband? I just don't know.

Let me be really specific, though. I've never been more terrified about the future of this country. Right now it's too early to really take a temperature of how people feel. I'd be THRILLED to be a part of the voting block that elects the first female POTUS. Hillary getting the majority vote gives me some hope. BUT as long as we have an electoral college that benefits the traditionally neo-con populated red states, my pragmatic side is going to take control over my hopeful side.

Does that make sense?

And I DO SO want to be proven to be a ridiculous fretter. And I just finished a Margarita so my thought process might be a bit woozy.
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden

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Response to Siwsan (Reply #10)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:48 PM

17. Yes, Obama had a lower percentage in 2012, but...

 

he was also up against a native son.

2016 was just a weird election in Michigan... a one-off, as I recall Senator Peters saying. I don't think it was primarily because Hillary is a woman, though. There are a lot of factors that went into the loss of our state. However, look at what we achieved in 2018: Governor Whitmer, AG Nessel, Sen. Stabenow (that was a given, really), Associate Justice Cavanagh, etc.

All over the country, women, PoC, and LGBT candidates have made tremendous progress. I think we focus too much on those who will never vote for us (but I also believe we can get back a lot of the Obama/Trump crossovers).

That being said, I am going to wait it out to see what emerges regarding our candidates. Also, there is nothing wrong with backing Biden; he has a whole lot of positives.
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Response to demmiblue (Reply #17)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:54 PM

19. Great "chatting" with you!

 

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Response to Siwsan (Reply #19)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:57 PM

21. Have a wonderful rest of the day!

 



I'm leaving politics aside for the day to binge watch something or other.
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Response to demmiblue (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:08 PM

7. Neither do I

 

I will not be evaluating candidate based on racists' feelings. I support my candidate based on policy and consistently but Warren & Gabbard are also my top options.
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Response to demmiblue (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:35 PM

11. I don't agree. You have to consider who can be elected.

 

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Joe Biden

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:06 PM

5. All of our candidates are electable.

 

Personally, I'm not going to allow a motherfucker like Trump impact who I vote for to be our nominee. Apparently, quite a few people feel differently.
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Response to BlueStater (Reply #5)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:16 PM

9. It has been a little shocking to see some of the attitudes regarding our candidates. n/t

 

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Response to BlueStater (Reply #5)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:37 PM

12. Wrong . Other years are different. But this year we need to rebuild the blue

 

wall . Only Biden or possibly Ryan can do this,
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #12)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:43 PM

14. How do you know?

 

A lot of the candidates aren't even well known yet, for shits sake.

Sorry, not going to let my hatred for that orange fuck in the White House make me vote for a candidate in the primary that I don't like. Not going to happen.

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Response to BlueStater (Reply #14)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:52 PM

36. I can look at the electoral map and see where we can win.

 

I posted this a while back. You could search...or it is online.
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Response to BlueStater (Reply #14)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:55 PM

38. Vote for him when he wins the general. This is what counts. But I predict barring

 

A miracle, if Biden isn't the nominee, we lose. We simply don't have candidates other than Biden who can win the states we need.
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Response to BlueStater (Reply #5)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:14 PM

28. +100,000,000,000

 

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Pete Buttigieg

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:07 PM

6. All our candidates are electable, tRump is too but in a very bad way. He lied, committed crimes to

 

get elected, like most republiCons do.
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Response to yaesu (Reply #6)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:38 PM

13. He has a good shot at getting reelected if he holds PA...

 

Biden will see that doesn't happen.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #13)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:46 PM

15. Even if it's not Biden

 

PA will be a blue State in 2020.
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Response to Butterflylady (Reply #15)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:51 PM

18. Yes, thank you.

 

A Biden supporter that I actually agree with.
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Response to Butterflylady (Reply #15)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:43 PM

32. I don't think we can count on that without either Biden or Ryan on the ticket.

 

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:47 PM

16. The WaPo article seems to be an attempt at sarcasm. nt

 

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 03:57 PM

20. I don't think Biden can survive negative press articles especially during a general election

 

Specifically, DFP designed a survey to test whether Bidenís advantage over Trump is sturdy enough to survive negative attacks. For its first round of polling, they presented voters with a hypothetical Biden-Trump match-up, and asked whether they would back the Democrat, the Republican, ďsomeone else,Ē or ďnot vote.Ē In this framing, DFP found Biden enjoying a lead ó albeit, an aberrantly miniscule one of 39.4 to 39.2 percent (or 50.1-49.9 percent, among voters who were willing to pick one of the two major party candidates).

DFP then presented voters with a series of negative statements about both Trump and Biden. It alerted respondents to the former Delaware senatorís support for rolling back bankruptcy protections for working families, and the regressive nature of Trumpís tax cuts. The pollsters then described Bidenís support for the Iraq War, Trumpís mindless withdrawal from the Iran nuclear agreement, and finally, Bidenís backing of a crime bill that led to the long-term incarceration of many nonviolent offenders, and Trumpís ongoing insistence that the (exonerated) Central Park Five should have been given the death penalty.

After sharing this information with voters, DFP asked them how concerning they found each aspect of the candidatesí records. For every pair of negative statements, more voters were alarmed by Trumpís baggage than by Bidenís (i.e., 43 percent were concerned by Bidenís support for the crime bill, while 57 percent were concerned by the fact that our president believes several African-American men should be executed for a crime that they did not commit). Nevertheless, Trumpís initial supporters proved more loyal than Bidenís. After hearing all of the negative statements, one in eight of Bidenís initial backers switched their preference to either Trump, someone else, or staying at home. As a result, Trump opened up a 39.4 to 34.2 percent lead (or 53.5 to 46.5 percent, among that subset of voters who were willing to pick between the two major party candidates).

https://www.google.com/amp/nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/2019/04/poll-joe-biden-may-be-less-electable-than-he-looks.html
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Bernie Sanders

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Response to JonLP24 (Reply #20)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:44 PM

33. I don't think Sanders can win a general. The smears won't work.

 

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Joe Biden

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:01 PM

22. I'm afraid Alexandra Petri's satire is sailing right over some heads.

 

The last election's "Oh I would totally vote for a woman for president, just not THAT woman" has become this election's "Oh I would totally vote for a woman, just not THIS year."

And Jennifer Rubin(!) is right. People talk about "electability" as if it's some kind of settled scientific fact and not a concept that's being foisted on them. It sounds like it must be true, so they accept it as wisdom and repeat it. It's a perfect example of Stephen Colbert's "truthiness."


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Response to Demit (Reply #22)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:10 PM

25. And I'm afraid you're right.

 

Ah, well.

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Response to Demit (Reply #22)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:13 PM

27. Seems like it.

 

I just got here, and then got IT!

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:04 PM

23. Electablity is a key factor in this race

 

We have to defeat trump. There is a very good chance that trump will win if we pick a weak or unsafe choice. There are posters who believe that we can nominate the most liberal/socialist nominee as possible and that candidate will easily win because everyone hates trump. It is their position that this is a historic opportunity to nominate someone would otherwise not be electable.

From Larry Sabato https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-economy-got-nixon-reagan-and-bush-reelected-it-could-do-it-for-trump-too/2019/04/23/b8920d34-65e6-11e9-a1b6-b29b90efa879_story.html?utm_term=.a35b315730d2

Ultimately, Trump may turn out to be at the mercy of conventional factors. In 2016, academic predictive models based on fundamentals such as the state of the economy suggested that Trump, or any other Republican candidate, was in position to win the election or come very close. This time, such models (once they become operative next year) could make Trump the early favorite despite his poor approval ratings.

Credit the powers of incumbency and a strong economy, the state of which may matter more to Trumpís odds than nearly anything else. Incumbency and the economy, among other matters, ended up being more than enough for Nixon, Reagan and Bush. Despite Trumpís unprecedented outlandishness, that same combination might work for him, too.

Most POTUS are re-elected if the economy is good. Here is a scary study that shows this


There are good reasons to doubt this study


I do not believe that trump is assured of winning. If we want to win, Democrats need to nominate a strong nominee who is NOT too far out of the mainstream
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Joe Biden

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:08 PM

24. By Alexandra Petri

 

WHO?

'Columnist offering a lighter take on the news and opinions of the day'
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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:12 PM

26. Satire, anyone???

 

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 04:15 PM

29. I don't think Biden is any more "electable" that the women

 

In fact, nominating another white male, other than possibly Mayor Pete, could actually depress turnout among young voters and WOC.

I hope and trust the upcoming debates will reveal the strengths and weaknesses of all the candidates, from which voters can make informed choices, and better prediction of electability can be made.
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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #29)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:50 PM

35. The women are not winning the primary, I wish it was different.

 

I don't think any can win a general because we need to take the rustbelt and they are not the right candidates to do so... thus I would not vote for them.
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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #35)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:16 PM

41. Nobody's winning any primaries until January 2020

 

You seem to be trying to create an atmosphere of "inevitableism"...as we've seen before, that only serves to sow division.

I hope you will reconsider your decision note to vote for our nominee in November 2020 if she is a woman.
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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 05:31 PM

30. You have to think

 

about a lot of things.
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Andrew Yang

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 05:50 PM

31. So many Democrats ignoring the reality of Putin. nt

 

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Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:46 PM

34. Jimmy Carter is the most electable democrat eligible for 2020

 

He'd get my vote
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Response to Otto Lidenbrock (Reply #34)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:55 PM

37. He'll only be 96 and he's technically eligible to run for another term.

 

Why not?
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Response to BlueStater (Reply #37)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 07:57 PM

39. Bernievsanders older than Biden.

 

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Response to BlueStater (Reply #37)

Thu Apr 25, 2019, 08:02 PM

40. Carter-Mondale 2020!

 



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