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Well just fabulous. The BERN app let everyone see voter info. (Original Post) nolabear Apr 2019 OP
Feel the Bern! The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #1
Sue the DNC!!!...nt SidDithers Apr 2019 #2
LOL SunSeeker Apr 2019 #24
+1000. ehrnst Apr 2019 #49
... treestar Apr 2019 #80
Yikes. Drunken Irishman Apr 2019 #3
I hope someone at the DNC was awake crazytown Apr 2019 #4
😂 we can do it Apr 2019 #29
Ooph NurseJackie Apr 2019 #73
.. treestar Apr 2019 #83
I listened to Bernie for about 10 years on Hartmann. I know him more than others. rusty quoin Apr 2019 #5
??? Not sure what your point is, in this thread. highplainsdem Apr 2019 #7
He's a real progressive rusty quoin Apr 2019 #13
Fo real!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #26
And that is relevant to the OP exactly how...? LanternWaste Apr 2019 #116
I'm sorry you had to endure that. BannonsLiver Apr 2019 #95
Could be kinda bad, could be absolutely nothing ... mr_lebowski Apr 2019 #6
See reply 9 below to see how bad it could be. highplainsdem Apr 2019 #11
"personal voter IDs of 150m+ Americans" ? ucrdem Apr 2019 #8
A number of states use your driver's license number as your voter ID. Here's what identity thieves highplainsdem Apr 2019 #9
Why would Bernie have people's driver's license info? Is that normal for campaigns? SunSeeker Apr 2019 #25
Well if the voter ID is your drivers license # then they have the rest. Agschmid Apr 2019 #30
+1 dalton99a Apr 2019 #39
Voter info is already public. RandySF Apr 2019 #10
Other info may be public, but not a drivers license number!! Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #14
And we don't know that this information was publicly exposed ... mr_lebowski Apr 2019 #16
this report doesn't smell right gristy Apr 2019 #12
As a professional Database Administrator for 20 years working for companies that build websites mr_lebowski Apr 2019 #15
This sounds bogus. Are you suggesting that they some how hacked supporters CentralMass Apr 2019 #17
Hi @SenSanders, your BERN app is creepy and invades people's privacy. I was able to look up my own.. Cha Apr 2019 #18
That's all public record though... Agschmid Apr 2019 #31
This "Story" doesn't exist Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #38
It did for me... ehrnst Apr 2019 #48
Funny, I get a half dozen entries, just googling "Bern app" including NBC and Daily Beast! hlthe2b Apr 2019 #53
Stories about the app EXISTING are not the same as stories about the app revealing private data. NT better Apr 2019 #110
the original assertion was that the OP was based on a single non-MSM tweet hlthe2b Apr 2019 #111
Yes, but note that the OP complains of the app revealing supposedly private data. better Apr 2019 #112
No, you and others have changed the argument. I honestly don't care. The app DOES exist and WILL hlthe2b Apr 2019 #113
The fact that you have posted the same thing like FIFTY TIMES tends to indicate otherwise. better Apr 2019 #114
Because two and now three posters repeatedly & falsely reported that google produced NOTHING on this hlthe2b Apr 2019 #115
Try reading the actual OP. better Apr 2019 #117
You came late to the thread and apparently haven't read the early repeated arguments. hlthe2b Apr 2019 #118
Post removed Post removed Apr 2019 #145
When YOU have actually read this entire thread with countless claims that "this doesn't exist" hlthe2b Apr 2019 #120
Well, try reading the post to which you first responded, because you're omitting a vital word. better Apr 2019 #121
The story DOES exist. They stated google produced nothing. That is incompetence in "googling" hlthe2b Apr 2019 #122
If the story in the OP that people said does not exist was that the app exists better Apr 2019 #129
Show us the news stories about the 150 million voter IDs that were exposed by the app Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #147
No, the OP claims 150 million voter IDs were exposed. Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #144
Where do your articles say that 150 million voter IDs were exposed? Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #143
This message was self-deleted by its author NurseJackie Apr 2019 #82
Link to app. See for yourself. MelissaB Apr 2019 #101
The OP isn't claiming that an APP exists Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #146
How would they obtain voter id's ? CentralMass Apr 2019 #19
I think this post is likely alert worthy. It doesnt smell right. CentralMass Apr 2019 #20
The fact this doesn't come up in a google search tells us it's a lie Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #37
It most certainly does, as I told you in post #53. Perhaps you need practice "googling" hlthe2b Apr 2019 #55
Seriously? awesomerwb1 Apr 2019 #72
This message was self-deleted by its author TwilightZone Apr 2019 #107
"Doesn't smell right?" ehrnst Apr 2019 #100
Yes, it does exist. Link to see for yourself: MelissaB Apr 2019 #102
Considering the disturbing trend of doxxing people KitSileya Apr 2019 #21
I hope my name isn't in that database JustAnotherGen Apr 2019 #22
It isn't clear if this is real or not. CentralMass Apr 2019 #40
It's real. I played with it yesterday. MelissaB Apr 2019 #98
This OP is fake news Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #36
You get the award NYMinute Apr 2019 #43
Only in your nonexistent google searches... Here: hlthe2b Apr 2019 #56
Why some people don't vote, don't want the government/The Man/strangers to know them. betsuni Apr 2019 #23
In person people ask for your Drivers license when True Blue American Apr 2019 #27
Note the OP links to zero proof Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #35
Only if you can't google... I provided an NBC and a Daily Beast source merely googling "Bern app" hlthe2b Apr 2019 #61
This must be Hillary's fault. we can do it Apr 2019 #28
"This" doesn't exist Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #34
I was only downloading it so I could let them know about it. NT WeekiWater Apr 2019 #32
A tweet isn't "News". Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #33
Post removed Post removed Apr 2019 #44
Please elaborate on it more for us. The source is a tweet from someone who's bio says CentralMass Apr 2019 #47
NBC and Daily Beast are merely "volunteers for Hillary in PA?" hlthe2b Apr 2019 #59
There is nothing about a data breach. CentralMass Apr 2019 #68
YOU stated emphatically that there were NO MSM sources. I provided them. Correct your own narrative hlthe2b Apr 2019 #69
Whi argue the existence of the spp ? If this tweet was recealing the new Bernie app the my t.anks CentralMass Apr 2019 #78
Because your "google" skills need work? I found NBC and Daily Beast articles merely googling hlthe2b Apr 2019 #63
Interesting bio on the Twitterer. "A volunteer for Hillary in Pennsylvania" CentralMass Apr 2019 #41
Attacking the person, not the message? Tarc Apr 2019 #50
the credibility of a messenger can matter Kali Apr 2019 #51
So far there seem to be a single tweet that is the source about this alledged breach. CentralMass Apr 2019 #52
Simply googling "Bern app" disproves this, including NBC and Daily Beast hlthe2b Apr 2019 #57
Was the app involved in some sort of data breach ? I dont see anything on that. CentralMass Apr 2019 #62
You said there were no MSM sources of this app. I provided those links. Read them hlthe2b Apr 2019 #67
This post reference a tweet that clains there was adata breach of this app. CentralMass Apr 2019 #76
My post addressed your claim that there was nothing but a tweet from an HRC supporter hlthe2b Apr 2019 #77
My post said; CentralMass Apr 2019 #79
You claimed there were no sources except a tweet on issue. I provide several. I "fabricate" NOTHING hlthe2b Apr 2019 #81
My post asked nothing about sources stating the app exist. CentralMass Apr 2019 #85
There was NOT a single source unless you believe NBC and Daily Beast and other MSM were covering hlthe2b Apr 2019 #86
Again I did not ask anything about the apps existence. CentralMass Apr 2019 #87
You most certainly DID by denying the tweet was real and had no other sourcing. hlthe2b Apr 2019 #88
This thread is you replying to my post #52 CentralMass Apr 2019 #89
throughout this thread you denied the OP was based on no more than a tweet. Not so hlthe2b Apr 2019 #90
The op is about an alledged data breach exposing 150 million voters data CentralMass Apr 2019 #91
It most certainly is about the exitence of the app. hlthe2b Apr 2019 #92
So you can site no msm sources saying that the app exposed data. Thank you for clearing that up. CentralMass Apr 2019 #93
that wasn't the question. You and others claimed there was no validity to the tweet--no MSM sources hlthe2b Apr 2019 #97
That is a false and you responded to a statement that was not a question. CentralMass Apr 2019 #104
I answered your original zillion claims that the tweet was the only source to support the op. It is hlthe2b Apr 2019 #105
Show me where i asked this ? CentralMass Apr 2019 #106
I can't read the thread for you. hlthe2b Apr 2019 #109
"no MSM sources to prove the app's existence" melman Apr 2019 #123
I know that you haven't read through this thread to make this false claim. hlthe2b Apr 2019 #124
Nobody has questioned the existence of the app melman Apr 2019 #125
Bullshit. They lost the early argument that the app doesn't exist so now they seem to be twisted in hlthe2b Apr 2019 #126
There is not a single article anywhere that backs up the claim in that tweet melman Apr 2019 #128
Link to app. See for yourself. MelissaB Apr 2019 #103
those stories seem to be about the app not about releasing info. Kali Apr 2019 #70
I'm not engaging into the fight either; merely correcting the erroneous narrative that no MSM hlthe2b Apr 2019 #71
same here Kali Apr 2019 #75
You're right; the thread is about a data breach, not the app release. demmiblue Apr 2019 #96
OMG Kali Apr 2019 #133
Well, I guess when you're in, you're all in. demmiblue Apr 2019 #135
No, not just a single tweet. I was checking Twitter about this last night. More than one person highplainsdem Apr 2019 #66
Lock him up!! NYMinute Apr 2019 #42
I am sure Russia will make good use of the info. boston bean Apr 2019 #45
Yeah this does seem quite fishy. Doesn't seem to be a real concern at all. better Apr 2019 #46
From the Hoarse Whisperer Gothmog Apr 2019 #54
Horrible, piss-poor management dalton99a Apr 2019 #64
I found a Reddit thread with Sanders supporters admitting they had misgivings about the app. highplainsdem Apr 2019 #84
I'm not finding this in an admittedly quick search Kali Apr 2019 #58
NBC and Daily Beast have it hlthe2b Apr 2019 #60
Those links dont say anying about a data breach . CentralMass Apr 2019 #65
but it proves he's running for president! KayF Apr 2019 #138
not really Kali Apr 2019 #74
This was probably intentional BannonsLiver Apr 2019 #94
***Yes, the app is real.*** I use it yesterday. Link: MelissaB Apr 2019 #99
Everyone on this thread knows that there is an app. demmiblue Apr 2019 #108
I didn't get that from reading above at all. MelissaB Apr 2019 #127
I got it right away and I don't even follow the Bernie posts. demmiblue Apr 2019 #130
The question isn't whether the app exists jberryhill Apr 2019 #132
I have two sources that say otherwise. demmiblue Apr 2019 #136
Bernie's app turned me in to a newt! Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2019 #141
To Bernie supporters using that app, my name is Haywood Janotdoothat Mersky Apr 2019 #119
Should Parscale send his thank you card directly to Bernie's campaign? Anon-C Apr 2019 #131
naughty nolabear Kali Apr 2019 #134
Right? I just came back and all hell has broken loose! nolabear Apr 2019 #140
Post removed Post removed Apr 2019 #137
it's a scoop! KayF Apr 2019 #139
And it's pathetic if true Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #142
 

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
2. Sue the DNC!!!...nt
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 01:28 AM
Apr 2019

Sid

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crazytown

(7,277 posts)
4. I hope someone at the DNC was awake
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 01:36 AM
Apr 2019

and downloaded Bernie’s database.

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rusty quoin

(6,133 posts)
5. I listened to Bernie for about 10 years on Hartmann. I know him more than others.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 01:36 AM
Apr 2019
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highplainsdem

(48,968 posts)
7. ??? Not sure what your point is, in this thread.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 01:37 AM
Apr 2019
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rusty quoin

(6,133 posts)
13. He's a real progressive
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 01:51 AM
Apr 2019
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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
26. Fo real!!
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 04:15 AM
Apr 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
116. And that is relevant to the OP exactly how...?
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 12:37 PM
Apr 2019

Or is yours simply another bumper sticker, devoid of any direct relevance, merely hoping against hope to find an adhesive bumper not yet filled?

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BannonsLiver

(16,369 posts)
95. I'm sorry you had to endure that.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 11:34 AM
Apr 2019
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mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
6. Could be kinda bad, could be absolutely nothing ...
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 01:37 AM
Apr 2019

You'd really need to know more details to know for sure.

I didn't even know I HAD a 'personal voter ID', myself. You guys?

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highplainsdem

(48,968 posts)
11. See reply 9 below to see how bad it could be.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 01:42 AM
Apr 2019
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ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
8. "personal voter IDs of 150m+ Americans" ?
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 01:40 AM
Apr 2019

That "app" has been busy!



p.s. that's 30m more than voted in the 2018 elections.

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highplainsdem

(48,968 posts)
9. A number of states use your driver's license number as your voter ID. Here's what identity thieves
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 01:41 AM
Apr 2019

can do with that number:

https://www.experian.com/blogs/ask-experian/what-should-i-do-if-my-drivers-license-number-is-stolen/


A driver's license is an identity thief's paradise. With that one card, someone knows your birthdate, address, and even your height, eye color, and signature.

If someone gets your driver's license number, it is also concerning because it's connected to your vehicle registration and insurance policies, as well as records on file with the Department of Motor Vehicles, place of employment (that keep a copy of your driver's license on file), doctor's office, government agencies, and other entities. Having access to that one number can provide an identity thief with several pieces of information they want to know about you.

Next to your Social Security number, your driver's license number is one of the most important pieces of information to keep safe from thieves.




Think of all the driver's license numbers the Sanders campaign just made available on the internet...
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SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
25. Why would Bernie have people's driver's license info? Is that normal for campaigns?
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 03:53 AM
Apr 2019

I've never given a candidate my driver's license number.

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Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
30. Well if the voter ID is your drivers license # then they have the rest.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 06:14 AM
Apr 2019

When you canvass you get name, age, and addresses. Put all three together and that’s everything pretty much.

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RandySF

(58,772 posts)
10. Voter info is already public.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 01:42 AM
Apr 2019
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Thekaspervote

(32,755 posts)
14. Other info may be public, but not a drivers license number!!
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 01:54 AM
Apr 2019
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mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
16. And we don't know that this information was publicly exposed ...
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 01:59 AM
Apr 2019

Just because that number was present in source code for web pages, it may've only been that way IF you were logged in, i.e. in a secure environment.

It's a bad 'practice' to code this way, but that's not the same thing as the #'s being 'publicly exposed'.

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gristy

(10,667 posts)
12. this report doesn't smell right
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 01:44 AM
Apr 2019

If some app designer working for the Sanders campaign can do this by mistake, then certainly any of hundreds of other designers working for who knows who could do this and presumably have already done it. If indeed it is possible.

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mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
15. As a professional Database Administrator for 20 years working for companies that build websites
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 01:57 AM
Apr 2019

and applications that entire time ... I 100% concur.

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CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
17. This sounds bogus. Are you suggesting that they some how hacked supporters
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 02:05 AM
Apr 2019

personal information such as SS#, drivers licence# and voter id? These are certainly nothing the campaign askd for.

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Cha

(297,154 posts)
18. Hi @SenSanders, your BERN app is creepy and invades people's privacy. I was able to look up my own..
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 02:07 AM
Apr 2019
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Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
31. That's all public record though...
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 06:15 AM
Apr 2019

Age, town you live in, etc.

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Mr Tibbs

(539 posts)
38. This "Story" doesn't exist
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 08:02 AM
Apr 2019

It doesn't come up on google.

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hlthe2b

(102,225 posts)
53. Funny, I get a half dozen entries, just googling "Bern app" including NBC and Daily Beast!
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 10:02 AM
Apr 2019

So, yes, the story DOES exist, but do your google skills?

Here's just those two:

Story image for Bern app from NBCNews.com
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/bernie-sanders-2020-campaign-unveils-app-increase-its-voter-database-n999206
Bernie Sanders' 2020 campaign unveils tech tool to increase its voter ...
NBCNews.com-Apr 27, 2019
... he called the “largest distributed day of action ever in a presidential campaign” and announced a new online organizing tool called BERN.

The Bernie Sanders Army Gears Up For The Next Phase of His ...
Daily Beast-Apr 28, 2019
.https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-bernie-sanders-army-gears-up-for-the-next-phase-of-his-campaign

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better

(884 posts)
110. Stories about the app EXISTING are not the same as stories about the app revealing private data. NT
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 12:10 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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hlthe2b

(102,225 posts)
111. the original assertion was that the OP was based on a single non-MSM tweet
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 12:11 PM
Apr 2019

and in fact that google produced NOTHING.

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better

(884 posts)
112. Yes, but note that the OP complains of the app revealing supposedly private data.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 12:14 PM
Apr 2019

On which subject, google does in fact appear to produce NOTHING.

You are still conflating the app EXISTING with the app REVEALING PRIVATE DATA.
And those two things are NOT the same.

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hlthe2b

(102,225 posts)
113. No, you and others have changed the argument. I honestly don't care. The app DOES exist and WILL
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 12:15 PM
Apr 2019

be thoroughly examined now for what it does do (intentionally or surreptitiously). That is a good thing

If indeed, it is totally benign, you have nothing to worry about. Right?

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better

(884 posts)
114. The fact that you have posted the same thing like FIFTY TIMES tends to indicate otherwise.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 12:21 PM
Apr 2019

Clearly you DO care, and the fact that you continue to make the DEMONSTRABLY false claim that people have been questioning the existence of the app, rather than the complaint that it revealed the data of 150 million voters, makes very clear that you are arguing in bad faith.

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hlthe2b

(102,225 posts)
115. Because two and now three posters repeatedly & falsely reported that google produced NOTHING on this
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 12:23 PM
Apr 2019

I don't condone posters making false claims then trying to incite others to alert on an OP-- based on that false claim. Now THAT is bad faith and shameful. Repeatedly they have posted throughout the thread that (and I quote): "THIS DOESN"T EXIST'.

Perhaps you need to review the posters you are defending who have adopted that tactic. BE BETTER, better.

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better

(884 posts)
117. Try reading the actual OP.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 12:37 PM
Apr 2019

It states:

The BERN app was so poorly designed that for a couple hours today the personal voter IDs of 150m+ Americans was available freely and easily, in violation of laws in all 50 states and fed privacy statutes, and it was entirely the doing of the Sanders campaign. Think about that.


The story of the OP is VERY clearly about the app violating laws by exposing voter id's.
What you are citing is google results confirming that the app exists, not that it violated laws by exposing voter id's.

What people have said is that google produced NOTHING on the app violating laws by exposing voter id's.
NOT that google produced nothing regarding the app EXISTING.
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hlthe2b

(102,225 posts)
118. You came late to the thread and apparently haven't read the early repeated arguments.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 12:39 PM
Apr 2019

that the tweet was fake.

BTW, you can give all the data on yourself you want. This app allows supports to point to others for the app to collect. That is unconscionable. As one who has repeatedly suffered the consequences of identity theft, I don't take my privacy so lightly. Perhaps you will learn the hard way as I did. Then you will understand why even many Bernie supporters (and I am an agnostic at the moment) find this unacceptable.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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hlthe2b

(102,225 posts)
120. When YOU have actually read this entire thread with countless claims that "this doesn't exist"
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 12:46 PM
Apr 2019

in reference to the app then don't bother to come back in embarrassment. I will already know.

Then again, I doubt you will bother to do so.

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better

(884 posts)
121. Well, try reading the post to which you first responded, because you're omitting a vital word.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 12:51 PM
Apr 2019

It says this story does not exist. Not this app does not exist. It's quite explicit.

Your unwillingness to comprehend that difference does not change the clearly visible facts.

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hlthe2b

(102,225 posts)
122. The story DOES exist. They stated google produced nothing. That is incompetence in "googling"
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 12:55 PM
Apr 2019

at best. Deceptiveness at worse. And then, at least one called for others to gang up and alert the OP.

That, is what YOU are defending, better. And again, I say, BE BETTER. You do Bernie and Bernie supporters no benefit in defending this.

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better

(884 posts)
129. If the story in the OP that people said does not exist was that the app exists
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 01:08 PM
Apr 2019

you would be correct, but that IS NOT what the story in the OP is about. You've been asked MANY times to point to any google results supporting the story the OP tweet tells, but you answer with nothing other than stories confirming that the app exists, which is not the thing being questioned. You have even been told many times that the app's existence is not what is being questioned, yet you continue to insist that it is, despite completely clear language proving that it is not.

And I am not defending the app.
I am defending the assertion that there seems to be no results in google supporting the claim that the OP tweet makes.

That will remain true no matter how many times you point to google results regarding SOMETHING ELSE ENTIRELY, or assert that people claimed something other than what we can all clearly see that they actually claimed.

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Mr Tibbs

(539 posts)
147. Show us the news stories about the 150 million voter IDs that were exposed by the app
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 08:31 PM
Apr 2019
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Mr Tibbs

(539 posts)
144. No, the OP claims 150 million voter IDs were exposed.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 08:22 PM
Apr 2019

So I asked him why isn't there a single mention of this anywhere in the news.

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Mr Tibbs

(539 posts)
143. Where do your articles say that 150 million voter IDs were exposed?
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 08:20 PM
Apr 2019
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Undecided

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Mr Tibbs

(539 posts)
146. The OP isn't claiming that an APP exists
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 08:28 PM
Apr 2019

The app was announced a while back.

The OP says that 150 million voter IDs were exposed by the app. Where are the news stories about the exposed voter IDs?



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CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
19. How would they obtain voter id's ?
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 02:08 AM
Apr 2019
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CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
20. I think this post is likely alert worthy. It doesnt smell right.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 02:09 AM
Apr 2019
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Mr Tibbs

(539 posts)
37. The fact this doesn't come up in a google search tells us it's a lie
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 08:00 AM
Apr 2019
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hlthe2b

(102,225 posts)
55. It most certainly does, as I told you in post #53. Perhaps you need practice "googling"
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 10:04 AM
Apr 2019

So, yes, the story DOES exist, but do your google skills?

Here's just those two:

Story image for Bern app from NBCNews.com
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/bernie-sanders-2020-campaign-unveils-app-increase-its-voter-database-n999206
Bernie Sanders' 2020 campaign unveils tech tool to increase its voter ...
NBCNews.com-Apr 27, 2019
... he called the “largest distributed day of action ever in a presidential campaign” and announced a new online organizing tool called BERN.

The Bernie Sanders Army Gears Up For The Next Phase of His ...
Daily Beast-Apr 28, 2019
.https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-bernie-sanders-army-gears-up-for-the-next-phase-of-his-campaign

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awesomerwb1

(4,267 posts)
72. Seriously?
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 10:16 AM
Apr 2019

Maybe you misspelled "Google".

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primary today, I would vote for:
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Response to Mr Tibbs (Reply #37)

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
100. "Doesn't smell right?"
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 11:47 AM
Apr 2019

Because you don't like the implications?

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KitSileya

(4,035 posts)
21. Considering the disturbing trend of doxxing people
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 03:03 AM
Apr 2019

This is pretty bad. Many outspoken minority voices on twitter and elsewhere have experienced being doxxed, and it has disrupted their lives immensely. Does Senator Sanders want this to happen to his supporters? Does he care that others might hijack his campaign app to do it to their political opponents, whether these opponents are Sanders supporters or not?

I do hope that Senator Sanders keeps in mind that he doesn't have much goodwill left in this area since his campaign showed it could not handle unwarranted access to other people's information last time, with the DNC database.

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JustAnotherGen

(31,811 posts)
22. I hope my name isn't in that database
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 03:32 AM
Apr 2019

At No time ever have I contacted that campaign, been involved in the prior campaign, and with 19 other people in the race - he's at the bottom of the list of those I would even consider. Something is off - more than 100 million voters? During primary season?

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CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
40. It isn't clear if this is real or not.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 08:52 AM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

MelissaB

(16,420 posts)
98. It's real. I played with it yesterday.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 11:45 AM
Apr 2019
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Mr Tibbs

(539 posts)
36. This OP is fake news
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 08:00 AM
Apr 2019

It appears nowhere in a google search

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NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
43. You get the award
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 09:07 AM
Apr 2019

That is what Trump would say and you imitated it perfectly. Bravo!

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hlthe2b

(102,225 posts)
56. Only in your nonexistent google searches... Here:
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 10:05 AM
Apr 2019

So, yes, the story DOES exist, but do your google skills?

Here's just those two:

Story image for Bern app from NBCNews.com
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/bernie-sanders-2020-campaign-unveils-app-increase-its-voter-database-n999206
Bernie Sanders' 2020 campaign unveils tech tool to increase its voter ...
NBCNews.com-Apr 27, 2019
... he called the “largest distributed day of action ever in a presidential campaign” and announced a new online organizing tool called BERN.

The Bernie Sanders Army Gears Up For The Next Phase of His ...
Daily Beast-Apr 28, 2019
.https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-bernie-sanders-army-gears-up-for-the-next-phase-of-his-campaign

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betsuni

(25,469 posts)
23. Why some people don't vote, don't want the government/The Man/strangers to know them.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 03:36 AM
Apr 2019

How ESTABLISHMENT of you, Bernie.

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True Blue American

(17,984 posts)
27. In person people ask for your Drivers license when
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 04:50 AM
Apr 2019

You give a check. At times when you use a credit card. The banks often ask for them.

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Mr Tibbs

(539 posts)
35. Note the OP links to zero proof
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 07:58 AM
Apr 2019

And a google search shows same

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hlthe2b

(102,225 posts)
61. Only if you can't google... I provided an NBC and a Daily Beast source merely googling "Bern app"
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 10:09 AM
Apr 2019

and there are others...

Here's just those two:

Story image for Bern app from NBCNews.com
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/bernie-sanders-2020-campaign-unveils-app-increase-its-voter-database-n999206
Bernie Sanders' 2020 campaign unveils tech tool to increase its voter ...
NBCNews.com-Apr 27, 2019
... he called the “largest distributed day of action ever in a presidential campaign” and announced a new online organizing tool called BERN.

The Bernie Sanders Army Gears Up For The Next Phase of His ...
Daily Beast-Apr 28, 2019
.https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-bernie-sanders-army-gears-up-for-the-next-phase-of-his-campaign

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we can do it

(12,182 posts)
28. This must be Hillary's fault.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 05:35 AM
Apr 2019
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WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
32. I was only downloading it so I could let them know about it. NT
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 07:01 AM
Apr 2019
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Mr Tibbs

(539 posts)
33. A tweet isn't "News".
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 07:56 AM
Apr 2019

This claim doesn't come up in google search. Why is that?

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided

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CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
47. Please elaborate on it more for us. The source is a tweet from someone who's bio says
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 09:22 AM
Apr 2019

"A volunteer for Hillary in Pennsylvania"

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hlthe2b

(102,225 posts)
59. NBC and Daily Beast are merely "volunteers for Hillary in PA?"
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 10:07 AM
Apr 2019


Here's just those two:

Story image for Bern app from NBCNews.com
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/bernie-sanders-2020-campaign-unveils-app-increase-its-voter-database-n999206
Bernie Sanders' 2020 campaign unveils tech tool to increase its voter ...
NBCNews.com-Apr 27, 2019
... he called the “largest distributed day of action ever in a presidential campaign” and announced a new online organizing tool called BERN.

The Bernie Sanders Army Gears Up For The Next Phase of His ...
Daily Beast-Apr 28, 2019
.https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-bernie-sanders-army-gears-up-for-the-next-phase-of-his-campaign
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
68. There is nothing about a data breach.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 10:13 AM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

hlthe2b

(102,225 posts)
69. YOU stated emphatically that there were NO MSM sources. I provided them. Correct your own narrative
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 10:14 AM
Apr 2019

rather than resorting to "but, but, but..."

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CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
78. Whi argue the existence of the spp ? If this tweet was recealing the new Bernie app the my t.anks
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 10:22 AM
Apr 2019

It was say that it exposed 150 million voters dsta. Are there any other source fir this claim ?

Madison V. King
@madisonvking
The BERN app was so poorly designed that for a couple hours today the personal voter IDs of 150m+ Americans was available freely and easily, in violation of laws in all 50 states and fed privacy statutes, and it was entirely the doing of the Sanders campaign. Think about that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

hlthe2b

(102,225 posts)
63. Because your "google" skills need work? I found NBC and Daily Beast articles merely googling
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 10:10 AM
Apr 2019

"Bern app"


Here's just those two:

Story image for Bern app from NBCNews.com
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/bernie-sanders-2020-campaign-unveils-app-increase-its-voter-database-n999206
Bernie Sanders' 2020 campaign unveils tech tool to increase its voter ...
NBCNews.com-Apr 27, 2019
... he called the “largest distributed day of action ever in a presidential campaign” and announced a new online organizing tool called BERN.

The Bernie Sanders Army Gears Up For The Next Phase of His ...
Daily Beast-Apr 28, 2019
.https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-bernie-sanders-army-gears-up-for-the-next-phase-of-his-campaign

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primary today, I would vote for:
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CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
41. Interesting bio on the Twitterer. "A volunteer for Hillary in Pennsylvania"
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 09:01 AM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
50. Attacking the person, not the message?
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 09:48 AM
Apr 2019

Why am I not surprised?

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Kali

(55,007 posts)
51. the credibility of a messenger can matter
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 10:01 AM
Apr 2019

isn't that part of how the Russian attacks got us the orange idiot? shit info from shit messengers?

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CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
52. So far there seem to be a single tweet that is the source about this alledged breach.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 10:02 AM
Apr 2019

It lends itself to speculation.

However i am going to modify the post slightly..

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hlthe2b

(102,225 posts)
57. Simply googling "Bern app" disproves this, including NBC and Daily Beast
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 10:06 AM
Apr 2019

So, yes, the story DOES exist.

Here's just those two:

Story image for Bern app from NBCNews.com
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/bernie-sanders-2020-campaign-unveils-app-increase-its-voter-database-n999206
Bernie Sanders' 2020 campaign unveils tech tool to increase its voter ...
NBCNews.com-Apr 27, 2019
... he called the “largest distributed day of action ever in a presidential campaign” and announced a new online organizing tool called BERN.

The Bernie Sanders Army Gears Up For The Next Phase of His ...
Daily Beast-Apr 28, 2019
.https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-bernie-sanders-army-gears-up-for-the-next-phase-of-his-campaign

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primary today, I would vote for:
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CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
62. Was the app involved in some sort of data breach ? I dont see anything on that.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 10:09 AM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

hlthe2b

(102,225 posts)
67. You said there were no MSM sources of this app. I provided those links. Read them
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 10:13 AM
Apr 2019

I am not interested in engaging in any discussion except to counter the very inaccurate narrative that this is just a tweet from an HRC supporter. I am neither pro-Bernie nor anti-Bernie, but rather pro-Truth and when I see this obvious erroneous narrative on DU, that a simple google can correct, I will step into correct it

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CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
76. This post reference a tweet that clains there was adata breach of this app.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 10:19 AM
Apr 2019

Are there any other sources that there was a dara breach with this app other then this one twitterer?

Madison V. King
@madisonvking
The BERN app was so poorly designed that for a couple hours today the personal voter IDs of 150m+ Americans was available freely and easily, in violation of laws in all 50 states and fed privacy statutes, and it was entirely the doing of the Sanders campaign. Think about that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

hlthe2b

(102,225 posts)
77. My post addressed your claim that there was nothing but a tweet from an HRC supporter
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 10:21 AM
Apr 2019

with no MSM links. I provided two, but if you can merely follow my steps via google, you can find more.
I have no dog in this fight, but I don't like to see OP's attacked as you and others seemed to do without doing your own homework.

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Joe Biden
 

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
79. My post said;
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 10:25 AM
Apr 2019

"So far there seem to be a single tweet that is the source about this alledged breach."

You seem to be fabricating things.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

hlthe2b

(102,225 posts)
81. You claimed there were no sources except a tweet on issue. I provide several. I "fabricate" NOTHING
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 10:26 AM
Apr 2019

Thanks, for the personal attack though

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CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
85. My post asked nothing about sources stating the app exist.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 10:29 AM
Apr 2019

Here it is again

"So far there seem to be a single tweet that is the source about this alledged breach."

Do we speak different languages ?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

hlthe2b

(102,225 posts)
86. There was NOT a single source unless you believe NBC and Daily Beast and other MSM were covering
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 10:32 AM
Apr 2019

a simple tweet! Yet YOU accused me of fabricating, (when I merely proved your wrong on this specific point), just as you did the OP--even calling for others to alert that poster (your post #20)

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CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
87. Again I did not ask anything about the apps existence.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 10:34 AM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

hlthe2b

(102,225 posts)
88. You most certainly DID by denying the tweet was real and had no other sourcing.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 10:35 AM
Apr 2019

Even going to the extremes of asking others to alert on the OP for even posting the tweet! (your post#20)

I have no desire to continue, as I am neither pro-Bernie nor opposed to him, but I DO believe in accountability and it does appear there may be lapses on that score.

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CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
89. This thread is you replying to my post #52
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 10:43 AM
Apr 2019

52. So far there seem to be a single tweet that is the source about this alledged breach.

You replied with two links about the the Samders campaign having a new app.
My post asked nothing about the existence of the app and did not even mention it.

Again, there it is at the top of this reply.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

hlthe2b

(102,225 posts)
90. throughout this thread you denied the OP was based on no more than a tweet. Not so
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 10:45 AM
Apr 2019

You and one other poster continued this but at least the other poster did not go so far as to call for others to gang up and alert on the OP. You made an error in doing so. Admit it and move on.

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CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
91. The op is about an alledged data breach exposing 150 million voters data
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 10:50 AM
Apr 2019

It not a debate about the existence of a Bernie app. There seems to be a single source for that claim, a lone Twitterer .

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

hlthe2b

(102,225 posts)
92. It most certainly is about the exitence of the app.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 10:51 AM
Apr 2019

and your denial that the app even existed based on yours and one other poster's repeated claims the tweet was not real and not validated by any other sourcing. Own up and perhaps think before calling on others to alert on others.

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primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
93. So you can site no msm sources saying that the app exposed data. Thank you for clearing that up.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 11:09 AM
Apr 2019






If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

hlthe2b

(102,225 posts)
97. that wasn't the question. You and others claimed there was no validity to the tweet--no MSM sources
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 11:41 AM
Apr 2019

to prove the app's existence--all your strawman arguments to the contrary. You only further hurt your own credibility in doing so, especially when you call for the OP to be alerted on that basis (your post #20). Shame on you for not admitting your mistake.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
104. That is a false and you responded to a statement that was not a question.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 11:51 AM
Apr 2019

This isnt interpreted language skills for $200 Alex

My stateme post 52. The origin of this thread asked.
"So far there seem to be a single tweet that is the source about this alledged breach."

You went off on some tangent with teo links about the nifty new Bernie app.

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Undecided
 

hlthe2b

(102,225 posts)
105. I answered your original zillion claims that the tweet was the only source to support the op. It is
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 11:58 AM
Apr 2019

not. Beyond that, I don't care either way. I don't know what "a false" is, though. So, perhaps edit your posts to make yourself more clear.

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CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
106. Show me where i asked this ?
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 12:04 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

hlthe2b

(102,225 posts)
109. I can't read the thread for you.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 12:09 PM
Apr 2019

and since you've shamefully tried to incite others to alert on posts of DUers with whom you disagree (your post#20), I'll just end this now.

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melman

(7,681 posts)
123. "no MSM sources to prove the app's existence"
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 12:56 PM
Apr 2019

No such claims were made and you know it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

hlthe2b

(102,225 posts)
124. I know that you haven't read through this thread to make this false claim.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 12:56 PM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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melman

(7,681 posts)
125. Nobody has questioned the existence of the app
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 12:59 PM
Apr 2019

and you know it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

hlthe2b

(102,225 posts)
126. Bullshit. They lost the early argument that the app doesn't exist so now they seem to be twisted in
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 01:02 PM
Apr 2019

the new argument that, if less than 12 hours after the first report of its existence there are not multiple peer-reviewed published journal articles on the full analysis of its impacts--with dozens of international and domestic MSM front page articles documenting those findings, then there is nothing there, folks.

To this, I say, if it is benign, why are they (you?) so upset that its existence has been exposed and concern is being expressed--even from Bernie supporters. Let it be examined and if it is truly not an issue, win-win, right?

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

melman

(7,681 posts)
128. There is not a single article anywhere that backs up the claim in that tweet
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 01:07 PM
Apr 2019

Not one. If I'm wrong feel free to prove it with a link.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Kali

(55,007 posts)
70. those stories seem to be about the app not about releasing info.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 10:14 AM
Apr 2019

Just realized I am in the primary forum, no wonder this thread is so reactionary. backing away slowly now.

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hlthe2b

(102,225 posts)
71. I'm not engaging into the fight either; merely correcting the erroneous narrative that no MSM
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 10:15 AM
Apr 2019

sources are covering... Because on most things Bernie here, I just don't care either way...

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demmiblue

(36,841 posts)
96. You're right; the thread is about a data breach, not the app release.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 11:39 AM
Apr 2019

This thread is so bizarre.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

Kali

(55,007 posts)
133. OMG
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 02:12 PM
Apr 2019

it has gotten even worse could this be a DU meme thread?

OP claim: story about something that does something bad

--------------------

reply 1: no mainstream sources for that

reply 2: bullshit here are two links about that something

reply 1: bullshit links don't say anything about the something doing something bad

reply 2: bullshit you said no sources here are two

reply 1: no there is nothing about the bad stuff happening

repeat 50 times

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demmiblue

(36,841 posts)
135. Well, I guess when you're in, you're all in.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 02:29 PM
Apr 2019

I would expect this kind of thread on a Friday or Saturday night, not on a Tuesday morning/afternoon!

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

highplainsdem

(48,968 posts)
66. No, not just a single tweet. I was checking Twitter about this last night. More than one person
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 10:12 AM
Apr 2019

complaining, more than one person posting screenshots that showed source code including voter ID #s.

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boston bean

(36,221 posts)
45. I am sure Russia will make good use of the info.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 09:12 AM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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better

(884 posts)
46. Yeah this does seem quite fishy. Doesn't seem to be a real concern at all.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 09:15 AM
Apr 2019

For starters, all indications are that the "personal information" being referenced is entirely from public voter information, i.e. voter registrations. This is about like criticizing a campaign for making it possible to look up someone's phone number, despite the fact that all they're actually doing is retrieving and displaying results from the white pages.

And for those who don't know how databases work, here's why your "voter id" being visible isn't necessarily anything to worry about.

Relational databases work by linking entries in multiple tables by the use of what are called foreign keys. Often, the key used is also the primary key, which is usually an automatically-incremented integer, with an enforced unique constraint. It's what allows you to make sure you're accessing the correct "John Doe" instead of all the wrong ones. It also serves the purpose of allowing the ID itself to be publicly visible without revealing any information related to that ID that should not be public.

Take for example a database with two tables, called voters and voter_demographics.

In voters table, columns:

voterID, voterName, partyAffiliation, registrationDate

In voter_demographics table, columns:

voterID, address, phone, etc...

The relationship between the two tables is on the voterID column in each table. But in order to access information from the demographics table, you either have to have user access to that table, or a web developer has to have created a view displaying information from that table, using credentials that do have that access.

One of the primary purposes of using relationships in database design is to be able to segment data such that certain classes of information are more broadly accessible than others. By storing private information in the demographics table, and public information in the voters table, it is possible to grant access to only the public information, by granting access to only the related table.

Unless you have the credentials for a database user with permissions to the demographics table or such a view exposing that data actually exists publicly, the voterID being visible while inspecting web traffic doesn't actually mean anything. It's just a value that is passed by the application to tell the database for which voter to display whatever information is allowed to be displayed. And what is allowed to be displayed can vary depending upon who and where you are.

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Gothmog

(145,130 posts)
54. From the Hoarse Whisperer
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 10:03 AM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

dalton99a

(81,451 posts)
64. Horrible, piss-poor management
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 10:11 AM
Apr 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

highplainsdem

(48,968 posts)
84. I found a Reddit thread with Sanders supporters admitting they had misgivings about the app.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 10:27 AM
Apr 2019

This doesn't refer to that data breach, but does show legitimate concerns about the trouble adding info to the app could cause Sanders volunteers with family and friends (something I mentioned in another thread here about the app, when I was told it was a "strawman argument"...which this thread clearly shows it wasn't):

https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/bityu3/discussion_thread_lets_talk_about_bern_edition/


The Bern app may need some PR handling. Here's the convo I just had with my mom about it. And my roommate also reacted negatively. Anything that is primed with "tell us all about your friends and family" will be met with highkey suspicion (for good reason).

Also in the registration process on the app (I read the terms of service like a square) there are a number of typos.




At the organizing kickoff we were supposed to list as many people as we know (friends, family, acquaintances), and then once at home, enter them into the app (including their candidate preferences if we know what they are). The instructions never mentioned about having to ask for permission, implying that it's not necessary. Following their instructions, I would be worried that if the campaign were to contact any of my friends/acquaintances and mention to them that it was me who entered their info in (ie. candidate preferences, what school they go to) some of them may not be too happy about that...




I ran across a lot of tweets last night, too, from Sanders supporters admitting they were already running into negative reactions from people they knew, whether friends or family.

Note the wording there:

"tell us all about your friends and family"

At the organizing kickoff we were supposed to list as many people as we know (friends, family, acquaintances), and then once at home, enter them into the app (including their candidate preferences if we know what they are).


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Kali

(55,007 posts)
58. I'm not finding this in an admittedly quick search
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 10:06 AM
Apr 2019

do you have any other sources?

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hlthe2b

(102,225 posts)
60. NBC and Daily Beast have it
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 10:08 AM
Apr 2019


Here's just those two:

Story image for Bern app from NBCNews.com
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/bernie-sanders-2020-campaign-unveils-app-increase-its-voter-database-n999206
Bernie Sanders' 2020 campaign unveils tech tool to increase its voter ...
NBCNews.com-Apr 27, 2019
... he called the “largest distributed day of action ever in a presidential campaign” and announced a new online organizing tool called BERN.

The Bernie Sanders Army Gears Up For The Next Phase of His ...
Daily Beast-Apr 28, 2019
.https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-bernie-sanders-army-gears-up-for-the-next-phase-of-his-campaign
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CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
65. Those links dont say anying about a data breach .
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 10:12 AM
Apr 2019
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KayF

(1,345 posts)
138. but it proves he's running for president!
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 07:43 PM
Apr 2019

got him!

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Kali

(55,007 posts)
74. not really
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 10:17 AM
Apr 2019

just replied below or somewhere. I'm on a tablet can't see some stuff. need to get on real computer.

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BannonsLiver

(16,369 posts)
94. This was probably intentional
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 11:33 AM
Apr 2019

But the question is why. I have one theory and it’s dark.

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MelissaB

(16,420 posts)
99. ***Yes, the app is real.*** I use it yesterday. Link:
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 11:47 AM
Apr 2019
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demmiblue

(36,841 posts)
108. Everyone on this thread knows that there is an app.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 12:07 PM
Apr 2019

This thread is about a data breach.

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MelissaB

(16,420 posts)
127. I didn't get that from reading above at all.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 01:06 PM
Apr 2019
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demmiblue

(36,841 posts)
130. I got it right away and I don't even follow the Bernie posts.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 01:09 PM
Apr 2019

I also didn't fall for the #TeamPillowForts garbage either. People see what they want to see.

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jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
132. The question isn't whether the app exists
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 02:03 PM
Apr 2019

If someone posts “The BERN app makes your phone blow up!” then the question is not whether the app exists.
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demmiblue

(36,841 posts)
136. I have two sources that say otherwise.
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 02:34 PM
Apr 2019
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Hassin Bin Sober

(26,325 posts)
141. Bernie's app turned me in to a newt!
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 07:53 PM
Apr 2019
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Mersky

(4,980 posts)
119. To Bernie supporters using that app, my name is Haywood Janotdoothat
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 12:46 PM
Apr 2019

Creeps me out, regardless of any data breach.

All I ask, is that you ask me before uploading your assessment of where I am on the Bernie spectrum.

I like Bernie a lot... in the Senate.

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Anon-C

(3,430 posts)
131. Should Parscale send his thank you card directly to Bernie's campaign?
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 01:12 PM
Apr 2019
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Kali

(55,007 posts)
134. naughty nolabear
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 02:18 PM
Apr 2019


look what you started!

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nolabear

(41,959 posts)
140. Right? I just came back and all hell has broken loose!
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 07:53 PM
Apr 2019

The report is real, they screwed up the app and fixed it, and the fistfight has gone on and on and on and...

Meanwhile, back in the Biden camp...

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Mr Tibbs

(539 posts)
142. And it's pathetic if true
Tue Apr 30, 2019, 08:16 PM
Apr 2019
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