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Rhiannon12866

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Fri May 9, 2025, 10:25 PM May 9

Stephen Miller's Anti-Constitution Plot Gets TORCHED by Legal Expert - Talking Feds



Trump crony Stephen Miller wants to suspend habeas corpus if courts don’t rule his way — a breathtakingly authoritarian move that would shred the Constitution. - 05/09/2025.
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Stephen Miller's Anti-Constitution Plot Gets TORCHED by Legal Expert - Talking Feds (Original Post) Rhiannon12866 May 9 OP
Prof. Vladeck has some good analysis on the reason for this stunt/threat LetMyPeopleVote May 10 #1
Thanks for all the information! Rhiannon12866 May 10 #2

LetMyPeopleVote

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1. Prof. Vladeck has some good analysis on the reason for this stunt/threat
Sat May 10, 2025, 09:06 PM
May 10

Miller and trump are trying to intimidate the courts into ruling their way to avoid having habeas corpus suspended. trump and Miller have been taking actions that seem designed to piss off the cours.



https://www.stevevladeck.com/p/148-suspending-habeas-corpus

Fifth, and finally, Miller gives away the game when he says “a lot of it depends on whether the courts do the right thing or not.” It’s not just the mafia-esque threat implicit in this statement (“I’ll make him an offer he can’t refuse”); it’s that he’s telling on himself: He’s suggesting that the administration would (unlawfully) suspend habeas corpus if (but apparently only if) it disagrees with how courts rule in these cases. In other words, it’s not the judicial review itself that’s imperiling national security; it’s the possibility that the government might lose. That’s not, and has never been, a viable argument for suspending habeas corpus. Were it otherwise, there’d be no point to having the writ in the first place—let alone to enshrining it in the Constitution.

If the goal is just to try to bully and intimidate federal judges into acquiescing in more unlawful activity by the Trump administration, that’s shameful enough. But suggesting that the President can unilaterally cut courts out of the loop solely because they’re disagreeing with him is suggesting that judicial review—indeed, that the Constitution itself—is just a convenience. Something tells me that even federal judges and justices who might otherwise be sympathetic to the government’s arguments on the merits in some of these cases will be troubled by the implication that their authority depends entirely upon the President’s beneficence.

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It’s certainly possible that this doesn’t go anywhere. Indeed, I hope that turns out to be true. But Miller’s comments strike me as a rather serious ratcheting up of the anti-court rhetoric coming out of this administration—and an ill-conceived one at that.

Rhiannon12866

(234,281 posts)
2. Thanks for all the information!
Sat May 10, 2025, 09:10 PM
May 10

Stephen Miller is the most vile, a bigot and wants to ignore the law and the Constitution as much as ignorant TFG does.

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