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Archives: December 2, 2019

AP Top 25: Alabama out of top 5 for first time in 4 years

Ukraine's Zelensky is making headway against corruption. But the fight risks angering Trump.

Know any good Christmas jokes?

Butch Cassidy, The Sundance Kid, and Etta Place: The Final Chapter

WSDOT delays more than 90 projects in I-976 fallout

Heartland!

Donald Trump is so bald, _______________?

"You're going to eat that entire cheesecake all by yourself?"

Sidelined for Months, Judiciary Panel Will Reclaim Impeachment Drive It Once Led

Texas Oil Explorers Say Predictions of Growth Contradict Dire Reality

Did a bit of research. Read a bunch of reviews. But appearently I skipped the specs.

Where is the "journalism" concerning Russia/Trump?

Plan to Lower Drug Prices Stalled In Senate

Buttigieg turns to black pastor to discuss racism, poverty

Iran Convulsed by Worst Unrest in 40 Years

Devin Nunes' Cow Case Just Got SUPER Embarrassing

Rick Perry somehow makes the assumption that he will be missed, shares a farewell video.

2020 US Presidential and US Senate Election- Democrats guide to regain control of both in 2020.

Trump administration proposals could cause millions to lose food stamps

These Are the Americans Who Live in a Bubble

South Dakota airplane crash kills 9 in extended family

Argentine delegation denounces coup in Bolivia despite threats

Beware the Attacks on the Military and Veterans. "Divide and Conquer" is the Goal.

This is called oligarchy: government of, by, and for the billionaire class.

Minnesota Woman Who Faced Backlash Over Al Franken Is Running For Office

Jackson Station

I'm still mourning the loss of the excellent TV show: Instinct

Boris Johnson ignores family's plea not to exploit victims' deaths

Boris Johnson ignores family's plea not to exploit victims' deaths

Mapping our galaxy's magnetic field

Historian Doris Kearns Goodwin on what she dislikes about the current primary system

Yasuhiro Nakasone, former Japanese PM and Reagan confidant, dies at 101

E.J. Dionne Jr.: Why Democratic voters can't make up their minds

Cable cutters, what do you do for tv news?

WaPo Editorial Board: No one should want their children to live in this 'bleak' future

Why do democrats rarely talk about Lyndon Johnson?

White House will not participate in Judiciary Committee hearing

The Indigenous Worldview Is Our Only Hope for Survival

I pretty much never watch TV...

The Indigenous Worldview Is Our Only Hope for Survival

Dog - crate - sorry it's in GD but I need some advise

Cameroon separatists fire on passenger jet in northwest

America is not the land of the free but one of monopolies so predatory they imperil the nation

Republican States Delaying 2020 Census Operations

Great video interview of Joe Biden and Tom Vilsack together, from an Iowa TV station

Video: Anti-Indigenous Racism on the Rise in Post-Coup Bolivia

Poles protest over rule of law after judge suspended

What's Next for Bolivia After Military Coup?

Presidential historian predicts public support for Trump will collapse

Lisa Page speaks, "There is no fathomable way I have commited

David Brinkley, Historian predicts more and more folks will agree on Trump #Impeachment!!

Prompted by Local Activists, Congressman McGovern Condemns the Coup in Bolivia

Bernie Sanders sets new Record with 4 million donations

Prompted by Local Activists, Congressman McGovern Condemns the Coup in Bolivia

"Joe Sestak drops out of Democratic race." Who's Joe Sestak?? Did any of you...

This was all for nothing -- that's what my so-called Democratic friend says.

we are being asked to follow Lisa Page on twitter -- her first interview just hit Daily Beast.

Gov of Bank of England, Mark Carney, has a new and important job:

Very gracious statement from Joe Biden on Sestak dropping out of the race, & Sestak's reply

The Fixx - Saved by Zero

Lisa Smith: IS recruit arrested after arriving back in Ireland

We won in 2018 thanks to emphasizing healthcare

'World first' cell phone detection cameras rolled out in Australia

Reversing Pro-Palestinian Stance of Evo Morales, Bolivia's Coup Government Moves to Restore Ties Wit

Virginia targets historic push on equal rights amendment for women

Andrew Yang raises $750,000 in 24 hours

John Cusack Calls for a Boycott of MSNBC Due to Brazen Anti-Bernie Bias

I don't remember hearing about this atrocity by the madman regarding Navy Seal

Be careful jogging in the snow...

Question related to scoring.

Russian Holocaust ice-skating routine slammed as 'unbelievably tasteless'

Early voting begins tomorrow in Houston municipal runoffs.

Military not happy with handling of Gallagher case

When "blackmailing Lindsey" becomes a meme, Lindsey should cop & become a patriot

Bernie Sanders sets a new record with 4 million donations

"Amped Up or Zoned Out" several SEALS told investigators they saw him taking pills

300+ Trump ads taken down by Google, YouTube

Beto O'Rourke Raised $6.1 Million Online in First 24 Hours of Campaign

Sanders reaches 4 million donations, thanks in part to automatic monthly giving

Tweet of the Day

"You might be demonstrating a failure to show appreciation." -- The Irishman

These are not just ordinary American crooks. Trump and his acolytes are not simply willing

I urge everyone to read "Crime in Progress" by Fritsch and Simpson.

The moron thinks pointing out that he'll be embarrassing our country overseas is to his benefit

Madame Secretary (Tonight's)

House of Cards

Cornyn and Blumenthal introduced Affordable Prescriptions for Patients Act of 2019

Republican 'It's A Wonderful Life' Movie

Heard this song and thought of Mr. Lebowski. I figure you'll probably dig it Mr L

"The Tall Man" from 2012, no spoilers

Some useful kitchen hacks

Tonight on THE WEEKLY (by the New York Times): "The Hot List"

Joe Sestak ends long-shot 2020 Democratic presidential campaign

tRump, with the help of Barr, prematurely ended the Mueller investigation

The Day We Took Our Country Back from Putin

This was all for nothing, Part 2 -- My Democratic friend's final word.

"Done" by Frazey Ford

Fired Senate staffer who won discrimination suit reinstated

TCM Schedule for Tuesday, December 3: Oscar Levant

Puzzle

41 years later, Debbie Harry reveals she's no longer interested in trying to getcha, getcha, getcha.

Operation Cowboy - How American GIs & German Soldiers Joined Forces to Save the Legendary Lipizzaner

TCM Schedule for Wednesday, December 4: TCM Special Theme: Pets on Sets

Abby Roach: The Spoon Lady...

Judge rules AG missed deadline to sue regents

Sanders Support in "Trump Country"

UK Labour's Corbyn: Convicted terrorists should 'not necessarily' serve full sentences

Progressive groups challenge law on deadline for ballots

Former foster child demands $15M from State of Arizona

To ease teacher shortage, pilot program in Tucson offers free tuition, $1,000 a month

Why We Depend on China for Most of Our Medicines

GOP proposal would increase in-state tuition at ASU, UA, NAU

Cell phone detection cameras rolled out in Australia

U.S. Attorney says government can still seek to take auto workers union control: Detroit News

New wave of abuse suits could hit church like never before

China suspends R&R visits by US warships over Hong Kong bill

Beto O'Rourke - FLIP the Texas House

letter to Trump dated 1984, threatening to punch him in the mouth

Malcolm Brogdon, Indiana Pacer now. Nickname: The President. Forbes article.

10 grizzly bears relocated from Argentina to Colorado

Former 'DWTS' dancer says a Utah teacher berated the son he's adopting over having 2 dads

This is soooooo good! Kamala Harris for the goal!

(Jewish Group) McGill U Jewish student government member ordered to cancel trip to Israel or resign

Leopard!!!

(Jewish Group) Rabbi beaten while visiting London

School district says rumors of a possible shooting and canceled classes at Tooele High School on

Trump Orders Navy to Strip Medals From Prosecutors in War Crimes Trial

Climate change: COP25 talks open as 'point of no return' in sight

Joe Biden is Obi Wan. Only he can save us.

Sperm whale dies with 100kg 'litter ball' in its stomach

New study deems Amazon worst for 'aggressive' tax avoidance

One fifth grader was thankful for two dads. That triggered this substitute's homophobic rant.

It's all Hillary's fault!!!! 😁

A huge strike in France starts Thursday

Belgian town sheds UNESCO status over anti-Semitism row

Labor steps up pressure on American Airlines, catering companies

Two peas in a pod: Abortion restrictionists and gun control advocates, part deux

Fifty Years after the Black 14 were booted from the Team and their academic programs

I just saw my first Bloomberg tv potus ad.

Azealia Banks apologizes for 'evil' PrEP rant, then 'bids adieu' to LGBTQ fans

Gov. Sisolak announces $155 million in private money to fund construction of long-delayed UNLV

Who dun it?

Trump won't be convicted in the Senate, and that's okay.

UN COP25 Climate conference in Madrid - live video

WYFF4: One-on-one with Sen. Bernie Sanders

POLITICSNATION: Nina Turner on Bernie Sanders' support among African Americans

One of the few major cities without one, Las Vegas may soon get an art museum

Montana Gov. Steve Bullock suspends 2020 campaign per Morning Joe

Sanders Focus on Justice - Meg Kinnard Interview AP News

A fertile intellectual antimatter with its own gravitational pull..

The 2020 ballot measure that wants to strike the Board of Regents from the state Constitution

I was sick over the weekend and had a strange and horrible nightmare

Steve Bullock ends presidential campaign, will not run for Senate

Thinking of deer hunting as a kid

Guest Opinion: Elizabeth Warren has the vision and the plans for big, structural change

Monday TOONs - Never Call It Just "Trumpism"

Argument preview: Justices take up battle over NYC gun ban - and the scope of the Second Amendment?

At Least 11 Shitstain Interior Officials Have Left To Cash In W. Fossil Fuel & Hunting Lobbies

UK Coast Quickly Crumbling Under Rising Seas, Stronger Storms, But Little Aid For Sinking Towns

Elizabeth Warren's organization has head start in Texas presidential primary

Elizabeth Warren: World AIDS Day reminds us of this

"Suspending" vs "Ending" one's campaign... what's the diff?

BBC to air interview with Prince Andrew accuser

Childcare costs as much as buying a brand new Hyundai Elantra each year.

White House will not show up to Wednesday's impeachment hearing

What will happen to FOX News and other media

Georgia governor set to buck Trump on Senate appointment

Elizabeth Warren: My goal is to get elected--but I plan to be the last

Elizabeth Warren shares emotional moment with young voter over struggle for acceptance

Can I hear an amen?

More racism on video...

The Rundown: November 27, 2019

Maga-vision goggles -by Tom Tomorrow

Zelensky: "We're at war. If you're our strategic partner, then you can't go blocking anything for us

The Rundown: November 28, 2019

The Rundown: November 29, 2019

Pick of the Week: The Sandman Universe Presents "John Constantine: Hellblazer" #1

Art of the Week: Week of 11/27/19

Anyone else read "Paper Girls"?

2019 Christmas Decorations at the White House

The Unexplained:

Trump Acting Out 'Orgasm' To Mock FBI's Lisa Page, Peter Strzok Was Last Straw, She Says

Well, I guess this means Trump is innocent......

On civility...

'I'm done being quiet': Lisa Page emerges ahead of FISA report

China slaps sanctions on US over Hong Kong unrest

Committee to meet Tuesday to approve release of Ukraine report

Melania annoyed that Ivanka invades 'her turf' and is often elevated above her: New tell-all book

Tucker Carlson "Rooting for Russia" in Ukraine Conflict

Hero Fox Guest SLAMS Tucker Carlson & Fox LIVE

"Putin's actually very cute." . . . Please come CAPTION Senator John Kennedy (R-LA)!!!

November 28 - Happy Birthday Senator Michael Bennet (D) CO

November 28 - Happy Birthday Rep. Max Rose (D) NY-11th

December 1 - Happy Birthday Senator Gary Peters (D) MI

Are there any "Out" GOP politicians?

December 1 - Happy Birthday Mayor Steve Benjamin (D) Columbia, SC

And yet ANOTHER 'This is my favorite trump* meme, EVER!!' trump* meme

December 2 - Happy Birthday Mayor Robert Garcia (D) Long Beach

December 2 - Happy Birthday Rep. Deb Haaland (D) NM-1st

Dwyane Wade shut down internet haters who criticized his son's nails and outfit

Cory Booker campaign ad: "Love"

Pete Buttigieg campaign ad: "Big Ideas"

Buttigieg has taken supporters from Warren, not Biden

Melania unveils patriotic-themed White House Christmas decorations...

Do WTF you want ReTHUGs

Fears over rising far-right extremism in New Jersey after growing number of arrests

A good friend is having a Whipple Procedure today.

When you live or follow a life of lies, you accumulate hidden debt.

Quietly the U.S. Public Debt trips 23,076,065,396,434.08

Decades ago Monty Python called it

No one talks about after "exoneration" in the Senate

Trump's Remarks to Troops at Bagram Airfield; Bagram, Afghanistan, November 28, 2019

Idiot speaking before NATO summit.

Interesting: December Calendar (Congressional hearings, court cases, town halls, sentencings)

Rudy trolled for the uneducated ass that he is.

Pete Buttigieg campaign ad: "Welcomed Me"

Amy Klobuchar campaign ad: "Questions"

Just In Time For Christmas, Trump Moves To Take Food Stamps Away From 3.7 Million Americans

1st Supreme Court Gun-Rights Battle In 10 Years May Transform Legal Landscape

This is quite a shot at Trump from Zelensky:

Shelley Morrison, Rosario on 'Will & Grace,' dies at 83

George Soros and Charles Koch take on the 'endless wars'

Report or no and how. Pedophile.

You raised $106.00 on December 1, 2019 ActBlue POTUS donation links

A reminder: people who have nothing to hide, show up.

Need a good video capture device to convert 8mm tapes to PC

Nick Freitas seeks to challenge Abigail Spanberger for congressional seat

China takes countermeasures after U.S. signs Hong Kong act

Here we go again.😭

60? Yes, 60!

The Rethugs say tRUMP is the chosen one. (here's my thoughts)

MNA Nurses to Picket outside Mayo Mankato Hospital (Picket Scheduled for December 5)

Iowa CCI Action is formally endorsing Bernie Sanders Dec 5

I see Warren has slipped from 22% to 21% on DU. Who's getting her votes?

6 Takeaways From Melania Trump's Unauthorized Biography

Polls Subvert Democracy: Media's willful erasure of Kamala Harris' campaign

Trump Is the Founders' Worst Nightmare

Iowa CCI Action Fund Endorses Senator Bernie Sanders for President

Cyclical?

🌎 Green New Deal Bernie in 1991

From Nutball Land, Rep. Collins: "Schiff will be GOP's 'first and foremost witness' for impeachment.

Guess the city of this amazing view.🌁

Black Friday in Canada -- different 😂

When water flows so smoothly it looks solid. This effect is called Laminar flow.

Steelers criticize Browns Coach Freddie Kitchens for wearing 'Pittsburgh started it' shirt

Democratic state lawmakers admit lobbyists helped write their op-eds attacking Medicare-for-All

Letter to the Editor: It's the Republicans, stupid

Couple paid $100 for abandoned car they found in a storage unit--Elon Musk bought for a million

Someone Ask Republicans Why Our Cell Phone Service Costs Twice As Much As Other Countries

I hate that Clint Eastwood is conservative, but I love that he's doing movie on Richard Jewell

Wealth change since 1982: Kochs, Waltons, Mars vs median American income

Take a ride on the subway with this very cool interactive map of New York City's system.

Astronaut Scott Kelly playing ping pong with water in space.

King Charles I was executed by his parliament. There's a lesson there for Donald Trump

Ohio school voucher expansion squeezes public schools

The about to be impeached is tweeting thanks to

Climate Change Is Breaking Open America's Nuclear Tomb

The useful idiot from Louisiana

"We have nothing to fear but fear itself." FDR

Nadler calls Trump's bluff

Two big cases have hearings today in SDNY--

Trump-defending GOPers are now nothing more than 'Russian assets' pushing Kremlin propaganda

Cat Tries VR

50 years old and still the most impressive, menacing looking plane ever engineered

But Bernie's not a Democrat!

If Bloomberg really cared about this country he would spend those millions on voter registration.

Toddler son of #Ukraine politician killed in an apparent assassination attempt on his father.

What the hell!

Was Obama the Chosen one?

MEANWHILE, in my neck of the woods -- More witchcraft:

Ask Tom Sietsema: Rants, raves and questions on the DC dining scene

Eye of the Tiger.

Hugh Grant: 'I want to do my bit to prevent a national catastrophe'(Brexit)

The Corporation - Feature, Documentary

U.S. manufacturing sector slumps further in November: ISM

A Dumb Question About Madam Secretary.......

Activist and poet John Sinclair among first to purchase legal recreational marijuana in Michigan

BTRTN: "If This is Not Impeachable Conduct, What Is?"

Pic Of The Moment: Trump Admin's New Rule Change Would Cause Millions To Lose SNAP Benefits

BTRTN: "If This is Not Impeachable Conduct, What Is?"

Second Amendment Case May Fizzle Out at the Supreme Court.

My sources tell me...

Deal Alert: Guy Probably Carrying Enough To Buy 'Death Stranding' PS4 Pro Bundle If You Stick Him Up

I took 2 laptops to a repair shop today

At lunch yesterday, a family friend Trumpist "cut bait and ran".

Defiant Mark Zuckerberg defends Facebook policy to allow false ads

Tennessee prepares to execute blind death row inmate

Hey! it's Cyber Monday everybody! what are you buying?

Trump campaign denies press credentials to Bloomberg News

Former White House press secretary joins Naval Academy board

Good news RBG update: "she was fierce this morning in the hearing. Hale and hearty."

This is a 2 year old OP ED, but it needs to be read again

If Trump was "chosen by God",

L'il Bub passed away

The White House nativity scene will feature Trump, Lindsey Graham, and Devin Nunes.

Al Franken:"Disingenuous, Stupid, and Jacketless is No Way to Go through an Impeachment Hearing, Son

BREAKING: Duncan Hunter to Cop a Plea...

Rep. Duncan Hunter to abandon 'not guilty' plea in campaign finance scandal

Pompeo says U.S. will help prevent Latin American protests becoming riots

Pompeo says U.S. will help prevent Latin American protests becoming riots

Broken 📺🎞

When I started my membership, I swear it said something

Rat Fink

The Women Who Don't Exist

On #CyberMonday, shoppers will rely on the U.S. Postal Service

Leonardo DiCaprio Responds To Brazil's President After Being Accused Of Financing Amazon Fires

Great t-shirt!

Joe Biden Opens Up 16 Point Lead in New @TheHill Poll; Warren and Sanders Fall

Cristina Fernandez dismantles lies in oral hearing

Bloomberg overtakes Harris in new poll

Greta Thunberg Nearing Spain In Time For Climate Summit

It has come to my attention that you used to be able to see "post removed" posts...

Want some relief? Fun book--A Nun in the Closet by Dorothy Gilman. Wrote Pollifax books. 60s,70s era

*New* HarrisX Poll - Biden 31% (+1), Sanders 15% (-3), Warren 10% (-5); Buttigieg 9% (+3)

Copyright violation IS a real problem.

Da fukkin mid-west gets legal marij.

It doesn't work that way...Trump thanks Zelensky for ending impeachment by saying no quid pro quo.

So why do I like Warren so much and Sanders so little?

Lev Parnas Says Devin Nunes Was ABSOLUTELY Involved In Ukraine Scheme

New book about Melanie...poor thing is misunderstood.

U.S. appeals court denies Trump administration request to resume federal executions

When the movie of the impeachment is made, I recommend Chris Kattan to play Jim Jordan.

Climate Change Forces 20 Million People To Flee Each Year, Says Oxfam

Biden Is Toast! Perfectly prepared toast,

About 160 million people went to stores over Thanksgiving weekend, spending an average of $504 each.

DU help please

Georgia governor reportedly picks Kelly Loeffler to fill Isakson's senate seat

Instant Pot - need quick advice for Cyber Monday deal

538 national polling average for Monday, Dec. 2, 2019

Breaking on M$NBComcast - more charges coming for Lev and Igor

House Republicans release 110-page report defending Trump in impeachment inquiry

The road to riches is this simple: Drive a crappy car.

New congressional maps in North Carolina will stand for 2020, court rules

Portland Trail Blazers: I'll admit it

Any Joni Mitchell fans?

Construction spending falls in October, missing forecasts

Goldman Sachs seeks to rebrand as wealth takes center stage in the Democratic presidential race

How Joe Biden helped build a financial system that's great for Delaware banks

You go Rudy G!

Women's March in CA. Jan 18, 2020 "Women Rising"

Status report.

The Jungle Prince of Delhi

Duncan Hunter: Witch hunt or which hunt?:

America braces for possible french fry shortage after poor potato harvest

U.S. Senator: Republican Party Is Turning Into Russia's 'Most Important Global Asset'

New poll by The Economist & YouGov: 53% of Republicans say Trump is better president than Lincoln.

Sorry. Wrong forum.

Nicolle Wallace: "We normally wouldn't show you any of that, but..."

Joe Biden's stump speech

If more than four candidates survive to compete in

Parkland Students Tell Supreme Court Gun Violence Is a Youth Epidemic

The Trump administration is erasing transgender people from government websites

Liar Liar His Pants Need To Catch On Fire

Acosta says consumer behavior, industry trends led to Chapter 11 bankruptcy

STOCK MARKET WATCH - Tuesday, 3 December 2019

Former CIA profiler Jerrold Post on Donald Trump's "dangerous charisma"

As Devin Nunes Threatens More SLAPP Suits, He May Have To Explain Why Cows Can Type

The Yellicopter President

Here are all the times the Trump administration has attacked LGBTQ rights since he became President

Giuliani henchman Lev Parnas had 5 iPhones and 2 iPads with evidence Congress needs for impeachment

State lawmakers acknowledge lobbyists helped craft their op-eds attacking Medicare-for-all

What's for Dinner, Mon., Dec. 2, 2019

A Very Good Girl helps her human decorate the tree (Twitter video)

Went to the store had wait on cows

Politico: A Hillary 'shill' goes all-in for Bernie

The judge has denied the motion for a stay pending appeal on the McGahn subpoena motion

Judge Refuses To Delay Her Order For McGahn To Comply With Congressional Subpoena

Judge overturns manslaughter conviction in Leah Freeman's death, faults state police

Zuckerberg's open and blatant hypocrisy

Judge Refuses To Delay Her Order For McGahn To Comply With Congressional Subpoena

Supreme Court argument calendar for February sitting just out. Big abortion case scheduled March 4.

A new German hearing aid is advertised on my phone.

George Conway replies to Kellyanne Conway's Tweet re "Ukraine's help with Biden"

Lev Parnas cleared to comply with impeachment subpoena.

Republicans Throw A Tantrum And Write Bogus Impeachment Report

Christmas shopping with Mrs. Atticus this afternoon and, of course, I wore my "Impeach Trump"

Four Impeachment Scholars to Open Judiciary Impeachment Hearing

On Melania, never forget this:

Tom Steyer buys website domain for Trump's "Keep America Great" slogan

What Trump has actually done in his first 3 years

Trump: "Can we go to Supreme Court to stop?" (impeachment)

I was ready to start a post defending Melania Trump and highlighting her accomplishments,

Joe Biden has filed to be on the ballot in Texas

Joe Biden has filed to be on the ballot in Texas

Joe Biden has filed to be on the ballot in Texas

Trump and GOP Have No Defense.

Joe Biden is going all in for the smaller communities and it may pay off

Got a turkey breast for .39/lb

House Judiciary Announces Witnesses For Its First Impeachment Hearing

In 1999, One Country Figured Out How to Kill U.S. Stealth Fighters

Jimmy Carter admitted to hospital for infection

Trump administration to propose tariffs on $2.4B in French goods

Chicago's top cop fired for undisclosed 'intolerable' actions, lying to public and mayor

Washington coach Chris Petersen to step down, move into advisory role as Jimmy Lake named coach

#National @MorningConsult Poll (11/25-12/1):

Researchers Find A Remarkable Ripple Effect When You Give Cash To Poor Families

BREAKING: Carter back in hospital for infection

Hillary and Bill Clinton keep plugging away to help people:

The monied knives are out for Senator Warren

Anyone watching Mindhunter on Netflix? (No spoilers)

12/01 Mike Luckovich: Who's the threat?

Kellyanne Conway's husband chides her defense of Trump

Ilhan Omar is on Ari

Trump administration quietly releases Lebanon military aid after mysterious delay

My KPop Playlist Tracks: TVXQ - Something

What is the earliest date?

Luckovich-Zuckerberg-It's Hard to deny friend requests

Uh, yeah, that new Peloton ad is in very bad taste. Very bad.

Senate Intel Committee Chairman @SenatorBurr: "Every elected official in the Ukraine was for...

Trump Proposes Tariffs on French Imports

Trump floats going to the Supreme Court to stop the impeachment

Anyone have a "Washlet" toilet or seat?

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