calimary
calimary's JournalAGREED! This was a FABULOUS convention!
I dunno - I lost a lot of faith and respect for Debbie Wasserman Schultz after the Wisconsin debacle. I think she's earned some of it back.
This was an OUTTA THE BALLPARK convention! ALL THREE DAYS!!!!!
With all due respect, my first instinct is to say "Oh Shut the Fuck UP!"
She isn't the fiery orator we're used to by now. She never has been!
Not everybody can be a Deval Patrick, or a Michelle Obama, or a Bill Clinton, or Joe Biden or Barack Obama.
And maybe by now, we're all kinda spoiled by the fire and brimstone in some of our best speakers.
It's what she represents - and what she very correctly pointed out: that the rights MANY of us older DUers and others fought and marched and rallied and petitioned and struggled to win for minorities and women - during the decade of her father's short-lived presidency. Many of those same rights are now systematically being destroyed, shredded, rolled back, and at the very least under attack. Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg is the last member of that First Family that all of America, indeed, the WORLD, fell in love with, and gave us hope and the sense of vigor and renewal after a long dreary boring era of the 1950s. When the President was an old man and the First Lady was an old woman, and the only way many of us young ones could even begin to relate was that they were somebody's grandparents. NOTHING for all that time that reached out and connected with the youth of America. But then came Caroline's dad. It was the FIRST TIME in anyone's memory that there were little kids - just a little younger than I was - IN THE WHITE HOUSE, living there, playing there, dancing around in their daddy's office, spoke volumes. SCREAMED them, as a matter of fact. It was like transitioning from a cold winter to a warming, greening spring.
And YES, I agree with you about what you call the "woo" factor. Nowadays we're so pablumized and junkied-out on flash and trash and media pizazz that you have to walk out on stage wearing slices of raw meat all over your body to move the meter any. The noise has turned up PAST eleven, and you have to make the biggest splash to get noticed. So okay. Fiery oratory. Yes, it sells. Yes it grabs attention. So do orly taitz and donald trump and glenn beck and ann coulter. But sometimes, the quieter approach provides contrast.
Okay, she wasn't a Jennifer Granholm, either. And I'm sorry to come down on you like this, titaniumsalute and be such a hard-ass. And I'm assuming you're younger than I am (pretty easy to do, since I feel like MOST of the people on this board and elsewhere are younger than I am by now). That Kennedy family meant something VERY special and symbolic to a whole generation of us (at the time) young Americans. Now that John-John's gone, Caroline is the only member of that family still with us. And what she represents in terms of that family's legacy to America - almost can't be fully counted. I've only seen inspiration like that since Barack Obama arrived on the national scene.
Caroline Kennedy can speak at a podium in as boring and monotonous a way as possible, STYLISTICALLY, that is. WHAT she says is a LOT more important than how she says it. And believe me, it's not as though we don't have enough fiery bombastic speakers. We have an embarrassment of riches as far as fiery bombastic speakers this year!
Sorry I came down on you. But it had to be said.
I cried like a baby.
The moment I saw her, struggling to walk out front, but looking absolutely BEAUTIFUL! Her hair is beautiful! Her face is beautiful! Her smile is RAVISHINGLY beautiful!
I was so proud. Stood up tall - like she did, and cried my eyes out.
And now Caroline Kennedy - JEEZ - I'm a puddle of mess. I remember when she and her little brother were there watching their dad's coffin slowly roll by. Cried then, too.
I am a wreck, too. You should see the size of my nose! It always swells up like a Bozo the Clown nose and turns as red as Rudolph the Reindeer's.
Mary J. Blige! Foo Fighters! James Taylor! WE have the music, lemme tellya!
I'd put OUR musical guests up against their faded hayseeds ANY day!
HEAR HEAR!!! I find that just galling!
When I think of all the people I know, and knew, in broadcasting, who busted their ass - from the lowly editing bay in the back of the newsroom, and put in the time, and slogged to City Hall, and sat through mind-numbing press conferences and local Board of Trade hearings, and made their bones and built their resumes the hard way, and working their way up from small markets to major markets (if they're lucky) and he just strolls in on the NBC News Sympathy Carpet after his dad dies and lands a plum role covering Capitol Hill?
EXCUSE ME??????????
That just makes me furious! I wonder what kind of partisan republi-CON buttons he has hidden inside his jacket like his dad did with his pro-bush/cheney button hidden from view except when he flashed it at the "right" cocktail parties.
Lucky Sperm Club. That's all he's got. Has he even learned how to shave yet? I wonder the same thing about willie geist. From what junior high school did they find him?
PLEASE EVERYBODY!!!! Make Harry Potter's Dark Arts professor Mad-Eye Moody your best friend!
PLEASE!!! Remember what Mad-Eye Moody always said to Harry Potter:
"CONSTANT VIGILANCE!!!!!!!"
I choose not to put too much stock in them pulling their ads and the SuperPACs are doing so too - because there are still two months to go, a lot can happen and a lot can change, and they have this HUGE mountain of money to use against our side.
These assholes play to win.
The only thing, for these worshippers of the god Money, they're probably sharp enough to recognize a bad bet after awhile, and they'll do what any worshipper of the god Money would do: hedge their bets (by giving to the other guy so they can sidle up to him and try to sweet-talk him into compromising their way); and protect their money. When you realize you're flushing your precious god down the toilet, throwing it away on a bad investment, you tend to want to minimize the damage, cut your losses, and stop flushing.
You don't suppose they're seeing this already? I HATE to get my hopes up. I've seen comments referring to "they must be seeing their own internal polling" - could that possibly be true? I want to believe it but that means being asked to trust the "altruism" of the koch brothers and that adelson bastard - and they have NONE.
EVEN SO!!!!! DO NOT GET COMPLACENT!!!!!
And we don't know this is so. And there's still two months to go, and we can't trust the other side any farther than we can throw the Washington Monument.
REMEMBER MAD-EYE MOODY, guys, and what he told Harry Potter:
"CONSTANT VIGILANCE!!!!!!!!"
Do NOT get complacent. With the bad guys, I'd always plan for, and brace for, the worst. With all that money behind them, let's not count them out just yet. The rich bastards won't concede willingly OR gracefully.
Me too! Honey Badger says what I would have said! Except I can't.
To post on his Facebook page, you have to click "Like" and I can't do that. I can't say I like that hate-filled, willfully-ignorant Troglodyte.
Well, looks like you just ruined some teabagger's day!
EXCELLENT!!! Let him stew in his wrongheadedness - and now start to wonder what else they might be lying to him about.
Although - I found that sometimes made no difference, unfortunately.
During the run-up to the Iraq War, I was having an argument with a friend of mine who was steadily revealing herself to be quite the knuckledragger. When I pointed out that not ONE of the fucking neocons had actually worn their country's uniform and saw combat, and that only rumsfeld had actually served, but BETWEEN wars when there was no hot action, so he never saw combat, either. My friend insisted I was wrong and that "oh YES. They served! cheney served." I said emphatically, "NO he didn't. FIVE deferments because he had 'Other Priorities' during Vietnam, while others less well-connected had to go and shed blood and lose arms and legs and eyesight and parts of their skulls." She remained emphatic in her illusions. Her brother-in-law said so, so it must be true!
But while we were arguing, another woman approached, friend of both of us. She spoke up - "calimary's right. cheney never served. Never." And my friend who was SO certain was stopped in her tracks. This big perplexed frown came over her face and she stammered - "well, I'm getting wrong information. I'm getting wrong information." I said - "YES, I'm afraid you are." And she went away, muttering.
I doubt I really made a dent. But when a SECOND person came up and verified what I'd said, that really threw her for a loop. Her husband was a developer, and the other woman's husband was a trust fund baby and they were all really well-off and they both knew the same people from their country club and they ran in the same circles together - circles I didn't run in, 'cause we weren't in the same peer group. I know it rattled her equilibrium for the rest of that day. Probably didn't change her mind about her support of the Iraq War, since you heard all the same cliches and talking points coming out of her mouth that you'd hear on any Pox Noise or limbaugh broadcast, or from her infernal brother-in-law, whoever the fuck he is.
Sometimes they're more comfortable clinging to their delusions. But when they're confronted like this, there's some uncertainty that starts to work in, blemishing the old image. Sometimes that's the best you can hope for. That they toss and turn a little more at night and are less sure of their footing, even while they still cling to the old lies and delusions. OCCASIONALLY you actually break through on one or two of them, if they're adult enough to be willing to consider another view or a different angle than the one they've been force-fed. So it's worth it to keep spreading the truth and debunking the lies.
No flames here - except for mrs. greenspan.
My husband always starts complaining when she comes on - about the bias coming from her. SO quick to jump with that fake concern on that Nazi reference thing.
I, for one, am sick of THAT! Hey, if the GOP assholes sound like Nazis, acts like Nazis, walk like Nazis, and quack like Nazis then they must be - what? Ducks?
Her bias is showing - GLARINGLY. My husband gets pissed off by her and by - well, the MSNBC individual he refers to as "Fuck Turd (or Toad, depending on his mood)."
Has to be killing those two that the Dem convention has gone so well and been so spirited. It's gotta kill those two. Clearly - at least judging from their track record and their on-camera behavior, they prefer the other side to ours.
I thank God that my husband is never up in time to see joe scarborough. He'd probably throw a coffee cup through our TV!
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