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May 31, 2020

Please, PLEASE read this about the Mpls. protests - from Minnesota Public Radio!

I've seen too much misunderstanding and off-the-wall speculation about the whole "outside agitator" stuff in Minneapolis and St. Paul going around DU, that I really hope DUers will take the time to read this piece.

As a Minnesota resident who has been continuously glued to all the local TV coverage since Friday, as well as monitoring local Twitter feeds directly from the communities involved, this article is the most accurate accounting of the "outside agitator" phenomenon that I've come across, so far:

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/05/30/outsiders-extremists-are-among-those-fomenting-violence-in-twin-cities
The killing of George Floyd
Outsiders, extremists are among those fomenting violence in Twin Cities
Jon Collins and Elizabeth Shockman
May 30, 2020 3:17 p.m.
Updated: 8:34 a.m., May 31, 2020

On his way home from a protest Friday night in Minneapolis, Jonathan Turner Bargen encountered a white man in a red pickup truck. The man was carrying an assault rifle and a handgun, Turner Bargen said. Then he noticed a symbol from the far-right militia group Three Percenters affixed to the truck.

“I circled back and took pictures of the vehicle. I was concerned about why they were present at the downtown protest, and had no idea who to notify,” said Turner Bargen in an email to MPR News.

<snip>

Accounts of armed men

Protesters and onlookers have posted numerous videos and accounts of confrontations with white men on social media, sometimes including symbols associated with fringe groups that originated online.

Many people have also told MPR News reporters of witnessing armed men in Minneapolis.

Bridget Schumann was out for a run near Calhoun Square in south Minneapolis on Friday night when she saw a truck that was being driven aggressively, honking and intimidating other drivers. The truck had a big white sticker on the back of the cab with the OK sign symbol associated with white supremacists.

“There were two men in the driver and passenger seat and they were wearing camo bulletproof vests and they were armed,” she said.

<snip>

In the predawn hours of Friday, KJ Starr watched from her yard in the Seward neighborhood, which has been especially hard hit by arson, as nearby buildings were consumed by balls of fire and billowing smoke.

With police and firefighters nowhere in sight, Starr and friends have been trying to fight fires themselves. When a nearby pizza shop went up in flames, she and some friends walked over to see what they could do. She was terrified by what she saw.

“This pickup truck of a dozen armed men just pulls up next to us,” she said. “I just did a total pivot.”

Arson at a liquor store

Minneapolis resident Rishi Ragoonanan woke up early for work on Friday morning, and saw a man who appeared to be white walk up to boxes of cardboard in the middle of a liquor store parking lot. The man lit the boxes, pushed them up against the wall of the store, and walked away.

Ragoonanan and neighbors ran outside and dragged the flaming boxes away from the wall. The liquor store was set on fire again the next night.

“None of us got any sleep for the last four days, trying to save this liquor store,” Ragoonanan said. “If this liquor catches fire, this whole neighborhood will burn down.”

Many people say they are leery of confronting those they suspect of contributing to the violence.

<snip>

‘They’re setting these fires’

People attending protests against police brutality have had run-ins as well.

DeVario Bogenholm, a 23-year-old who’s lived in Minneapolis for most of his life, blames outsiders, who are mostly white, for turning peaceful protests violent Friday night. He turned to Facebook to post a video of him and a friend confronting a group of young, white men who were smashing out storefront windows.

“Who’s destroying these buildings? These white dudes and we’re stopping them,” his friend, Noah Saba, said to the camera, then waved the phone to show footage of a group of white men on bicycles in front of a group of vandalized and burning buildings, “They’re setting these fires.”

...Bogenholm said the video doesn’t fully capture the mob, with people of color largely at the back of the crowd and young white men initiating the damage to buildings.

<snip>

Hundreds of buildings across the Twin Cities have been damaged in the riots. A native youth cultural center, neighborhood bars and a building full of artist studios (my bold) are among the structures that have been set on fire.

Minneapolis City Council member Jeremiah Ellison spent Friday night driving around his ward to ensure people stayed safe. He said property destruction at protests, which he doesn’t support, normally is focused on symbols of power like police cars.

“When you see no protest, there’s no mob sweeping through the north side, yet you see these fires popping up the main business corridor, that’s the thing that rang odd to me,” Ellison said. “Burning down small black- and immigrant-owned businesses, that doesn’t seem in lockstep with the tone of the protests.”

<snip>

Alexia Kelsey went out to the protest site Friday to help clean. She said the hair on the back of her neck rose after she saw a vehicle carrying two armed white men that had a bumper sticker associated with neo-Nazis.

“As a white ally, it’s even more important to support the black community and provide a unified front,” Kelsey said. “It’s tough because it seems like they’re using the opportunity of the cover of night to really ignite the violence.”

<snip>

“This is no longer about protesting,” said {Minneapolis Mayor, Jacob} Frey. “This is no longer about verbal expression. This is about violence, and we need to make sure that it stops.”

{St. Paul Mayor, Melvin} Carter said that the outside agitators are using peaceful protesters as a “human shield,” committing acts of destruction and violence and then melting back into the crowd.

{Minnesota Governor, Tim} Walz urged Minnesotans to abide by curfews.

“If you’re out after 8 o’clock, you are aiding and abetting them and you are giving them the cover that they want,” Walz said.


Please go to the link to read the whole article! Thank you.
May 31, 2020

Policing in the US is not about enforcing law. It's about enforcing white supremacy (The Guardian)

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/30/policing-in-the-us-is-not-about-enforcing-law-its-about-enforcing-white-supremacy
Paul Butler
May 30, 2020

Police treatment of two CNN reporters at a George Floyd protest shows the US has opposite systems of justice – one for white people, one for people of color

On Friday the CNN journalist Omar Jimenez was arrested on live television as he covered protests of police brutality in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Jimenez identifies as African American and Hispanic, and when the cops confronted him, he did just what minority parents tell their kids to do. Jimenez cooperated; he was respectful, deferential even. He said: “We can move back to where you like … We are getting out of your way … Wherever you want us, we will go.”

It didn’t matter; the police officers put handcuffs on him and led him away, and then came back to arrest his crew. Jimenez narrated his arrest as they led him away. His voice is steady. His eyes, though. Jimenez is masked so his eyes are the only clue to what he’s feeling. His eyes are perplexed and terrified. I get it. When a black or brown person goes into police custody, you never know what is going to happen. You just know that when you leave police custody, if you are lucky enough to leave, you will be diminished. That is the point.

<snip>

But what’s most interesting is what happened to Josh Campbell, a white CNN journalist who was in the same area as Jimenez and not arrested. Campbell said his experience was the “opposite” of Jimenez’s. The cops asked him “politely to move here and there”. “A couple times I’ve moved closer than they would, like, they asked politely to move back. They didn’t pull out the handcuffs.”

<big snip>

In the end, this is not about law enforcement. It’s about enforcing white supremacy. There’s no tinkering with that, what with white supremacy being the foundation on which the country was built. The consistent big question in the quest for racial justice has been how much white supremacy is central to the identity of the US. This is what Barack Obama and Ta-Nehisi Coates argued about. If we had something approaching equal justice, would we still even be the United States? In order to accomplish that we’d have to change the constitution, which authorizes much of the police violence that communities of color complain about, and the politics which exploits white anxiety about black and brown men. (much more at link)


Please go to the link and read the whole piece - it's outstanding!
October 10, 2018

Do you have the link, please? This is just outrageous!

In her dissent, Ginsburg argued that the Supreme Court’s order was at odds with one of the top court’s most frequently invoked doctrines on election law: not to change the rules right before an election. By allowing a different set of ID rules in the general election from in the primary, Ginsburg warned, the court was risking widespread confusion and disenfranchisement.


That is so fucked up!!! How else is one to take this as anything but a deliberate "fuck you" to the indigenous tribal people of North Dakota?

And the fact that this ruling came down so late in the election season means there's not sufficient time to craft any kind of remedy.

If there were time enough, the tribal governments could conceivably establish a system of street addresses on the reservations - nothing to do with mail delivery, just numbers and street names to signify physical locations. Then the reservation inhabitants could get new IDs with the requisite street addresses.

But, of course, the timing of this disgusting ruling left no such remedy possible - even if the tribes were able to organize such an effort in a way that would reach all their members who wanted to be able to vote. Reservations are not like towns, people are spread out all over.

And even if reservations were able to assign physical addresses to everyone, there would still be the question of whether the state would accept them or not - could North Dakota decide that it doesn't consider those arbitrary, non-postal related "street" addresses not valid?

To think, we are doomed to live with a right wing Supreme Court for decades to come...
July 17, 2018

"No one should let this news cycle pass and just go back to business as usual."

Would it be possible?

This is how we are made captive to Big Media. Will they keep up the drumbeat of Drumpf's treasonous behavior, or simply move on to the next shiny object?

Ultimately, it's Big Media who decides the narrative, what gets covered, whose speech gets attention, who shows up as a guest on the Sunday shows.

Yes, we can take to the streets - but I remember how the thousands of protestors for the bush II inauguration were blacked out by the MSM. I remember how the protests by MILLIONS all around the world against the Iraq war were conveniently left out of the MSM news coverage. Because the MSM loves a war, loves broadcasting big explosions.

I'm 68 years old. I can remember the time before "News" became a commodity, before it was expected to make a profit, when it was considered to be a social responsibility on the part of those who were granted the use of the public airwaves.

It is the fault of Television that we've ended up with such an idiot asshole for president. It is the fault of Television that there are so many stupid, shallow, mouth-breathers in our population that they would vote for such a slimey conman.

Yeah, "No one should let this news cycle pass and just go back to business as usual." - but, for our sins, it will.

July 15, 2018

I can't imagine that any artist worthy of the award would want to get their medal from trump.

Frankly, I think the fewer expectations for normal procedures from this administration, the better.

Let the trump years stand out as an aberration, an error, as much as possible.

July 7, 2018

Ethnic cleansing. That's what this is all about.

The trump regime is determined to reduce the non-white population of the U.S. by any means necessary.

June 16, 2018

So, why is no Democrat doing this?

Of course they would need television coverage of the speech - or it didn't happen.

But surely, there must a Democrat smart enough to strategize an opportunity for maximum media coverage?

I don't understand what Congressional Dems are up to. Why aren't they standing together as a group and loudly condemning what's happening to our country?

We get a peep here and there from Schiff, or Schumer, or one or two others - but nothing that relentlessly and non-stop pushes out a counter narrative.

I think if the Dems got noisy enough, relentlessly enough, they would get attention. They need to hammer out a constant message of human decency in contrast to the indecent and immoral behavior of the Trump administration and their GOP enablers.

Just as Steve Schmidt says:

Call this out. Call it by its name. Name the villains. Name their vile deeds. This is not an hour for small words and gestures. The moment has come to say what must be said.


Thank you, Bigtree, for posting this.
June 16, 2018

Hey man, good to see you! Thank you!

I truly think that as long as the other side is engaged in a culture war against us, we need to engage back and engage back hard.

They are wrong. They are assholes. They are bullies. They are bigots. They are liars. They should be given no quarter!

These are people who are bent on destroying the rule of law, bent on destroying empiricism, bent on destroying all vestiges of the Enlightenment.

The barbarians are at the gate. We don't need to be civil to them, we need to FIGHT them, no holds barred.

June 15, 2018

Yes, ridiculed - and also fought tooth and nail.

I'm so totally fed up with their whiney crap!

They feel like they're losing the "culture war." Well, damn right! There IS a culture war, and they are on the wrong damn side!

They reject the Enlightenment principles which infused the founding of this country. They reject science, they reject reason, they reject empirical proof, they reject the whole of the philosophical underpinnings of the Western world.

They would destroy every norm of civil behavior, destroy all the institutions built up over decades, destroy the very rule of law, in order to satisfy their lust for mocking the "elites".

I would consider them pathetic - if they had not so willfully chosen the path of ignorance, fear, and hate.

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I'm an old white woman, born in November, 1949. My parents lived through the Depression and WWII (my dad's a veteran). I've witnessed a lot of history firsthand, plus I carry the stories handed down to me by my parents, aunts and uncles from their generation, and my grandparents from their generation. Basically, my memory is a depository for most of the 20th century of U.S. history, plus the 2 decades (so far) of the 21st century. //////Important quote: Milos Forman (film director, b. 1932, d. 2018) - "I hear the word "socialist" being tossed around by the likes of Rick Perry, Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh and others. President Barack Obama, they warn, is a socialist. The critics cry, "Obamacare is socialism!" They falsely equate Western European-style socialism, and its government provision of social insurance and health care, with Marxist-Leninist totalitarianism. It offends me, and cheapens the experience of millions who lived, and continue to live, under brutal forms of socialism." (He lived in Czechoslovakia under Communism before emigrating to the U.S.A.)
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