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jody's JournalThanks. Problems and possibly solutions are different for cities with the highest
violent crime rate; i.e. 1. Flint, Mich., 2. Detroit, Mich., 3. St. Louis, Mo., 4. Oakland, Calif., 5. Memphis, Tenn.; and ranchers living in remote areas of Montana, Wyoming, et al.
IMO we should legalize marijuana and recognize LGBT rights. Federal govt. hasn't done that so please
join me in considering every possible way to make that happen.
Why should CA's 38+ million citizens be held hostage to a state with only 600k citizens with the same vote in the Senate to approve justices for SCOTUS?
Don't you want to find a solution?
If you're serious, then attack presidents and the O-10s they select and Congress that funds the
things you and I oppose?
Why do people allow those who want to divide and conquer once again We the People when it is not the "military" but Presidents and Congress who are the problem.
IMO as long as We the People allow ourselves to be divided and polarized over 5 or 6 political issues between major political parties and as in this thread within a major political party, the only real winners are the corporatists who finance enough candidates in both major parties to pass bills that advance us toward a corporate state.
If we allow thoughts like this threads OP to impede progress within the Democratic Party, then Lincoln's dream of a people's government will indeed perish and MLK's "I Have a Dream" will die aborning.
Our United States government is the world's oldest continuous government, Iceland is disputable, and the grandest experiment of all times to see if a disparate society representing all aspects of the world's peoples, can find enough common ground to govern itself.
If that experiment fails, and each of us is a player, then the world's governments are doomed to fail and only a despotic world government controlled by corporatists will survive.
I support our Platform. You admit supporting PART of our Platform. In Heller, both opinion & dissent
acknowledge US v. Cruikshank (1876) that rights pre-exist our Constitution and do not depend upon it.
Both majority and minority recognize PA(1776) and VT(1777) constitutions and their declaration of "natural, inherent, inalienable/unalienable" rights that include "That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the state".
Today, forty-four states have constitutional guarantees on the right to keep and bear arms.
DUers who call for repeal of the Second Amendment that obligates government created by We the Protect to protect the right of law abiding citizens to keep and bear arms for self-defense as an enumerated right ignore the simple fact that if the Second did not exist, RKBA that pre-existed our Constitution would then be protected as an unenumerated right under the Ninth Amendment.
FBI reports "Hands, fists, feet, etc." commit 5.7% of murders, Rifles and Shotguns for 5.4%.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-20I'm sure you want mandatory liability insurance and taxation on "Hands, fists, feet, etc."
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"Knives or cutting instruments" at 13.3% should also be included with your policy.
Agree and too many DUers want to insult and vilify we who support RKBA and ready to join together to
search for solutions to prevent another Sandy Hook Tragedy.
Those who "believe guns create crime" are no different from those who believe "god created the universe", gun-creationists.
"Gun Control Legislation” by CRS (Nov 14, 2012) reports
- from 1994 to 2007, firearm number [font color = ff0000 size = 4]increased[/font] from 192 million to 294 million.
- from 1994 to 2007, Firearms-Related Murder Rate [font color = ff0000 size = 4]decreased[/font] from 6.6 to 3.9.
Until that report is refuted, laws to prevent mass-murder should focus on the person and not banning the firearm.
I'm a scientist. Your post uses stats from nations with different cultures. I've conducted and
directed research on scientific hypothesis and social issues that are not science.
One might conjecture that there are more factors than firearms affecting those who commit traditional "violent crime" and "mass murderers".
Please see
IMO the problem is "self-defense" and "group-defense" and a solution must satisfy both.
Mass Shootings and the Ethic of the Open Heart Medscape Today (Dec 20, 2012)
People who commit traditional violent crime appear to be different than mass murderers.
Proposals that would ban guns under the belief guns create crime ignore the latest government report.
"Gun Control Legislation” by CRS (Nov 14, 2012) reports
- from 1994 to 2007, firearm number increased from 192 million to 294 million.
- from 1994 to 2007, Firearms-Related Murder Rate decreased from 6.6 to 3.9.
Until that report is refuted, laws to prevent mass-murder should focus on the person and not banning the firearm.
If drugs were not controlled, prices would go down and prison cells would be emptied. I'm for that.
Anyway the latest government report shows http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL32842.pdf
From 1994 to 2007, firearm number increased from 192 million to 294 million.
From 1994 to 2007, Firearms-Related Murder Rate decreased from 6.6 to 3.9.
Suicides and Accidents rates associated with firearms also declined as firearm numbers increased.
In spite of DOI(1776) and PA(1776) & VT(1777) declaring that rights exist, you continue to
believe "rights did not pre-exist the Constitution" ratified by the states later.
Constitution ratification dates
• Ratification of the Constitution by the State of Delaware; December 7, 1787
• Ratification of the Constitution by the State of Pennsylvania; December 12, 1787
• Ratification of the Constitution by the State of New Jersey; December 18, 1787
• Ratification of the Constitution by the State of Georgia; January 2, 1788
• Ratification of the Constitution by the State of Connecticut; January 8, 1788
• Ratification of the Constitution by the State of Massachusetts; February 6, 1788
• Ratification of the Constitution by the State of Maryland; April 28, 1788.
• Ratification of the Constitution by the State of South Carolina; May 23, 1788.
• Ratification of the Constitution by the State of New Hampshire; June 21, 1788
• Ratification of the Constitution by the State of Virginia; June 26, 1788.
• Ratification of the Constitution by the State of New York; July 26, 1788
• Ratification of the Constitution by the State of North Carolina; November 21, 1789
• Ratification of the Constitution by the State of Rhode Island; May 29, 1790.
You also want to talk about God as the source of "rights" but I've never said that.
I've posted several times that PA & VT's declaration of rights was simply a way of people in their sovereign capacity reserving unto themselves certain things that were off-limits to the government they were creating.
Rights of the individual protect each person against the tyranny of a simple majority in a pure democracy, a danger recognized by most of the founding fathers.
On a related vein, see:
Natural, inherent, inalienable rights versus privileges granted by Government
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x161892
Parsing Pennsylvania and Vermont constitutions, 1776 and 1777
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x152320
More recently in DC v Heller (2008) SCOTUS acknowledged rights that PA & VT declared were "natural, inherent, inalienable/unalienable" as preexisting our Constitution. The court also grouped rights enumerated in the First, Second, and Fourth Amendments together, i.e. they survive or die together.
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