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http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/06/nsa-whistleblower-klein/?cid=co9260244NSA Leak Vindicates AT&T Whistleblower
The collection program, which lasted from 2001 to 2011, involved email metadata the enveloped information for email that reveals the senders address and recipient, as well as IP addresses and websites visited, the Guardian newspaper reported today.
Mark Klein, a retired AT&T communications technician, revealed in 2006 that his job duties included connecting internet circuits to a splitting cabinet that led to a secret room in AT&Ts San Francisco office. During the course of that work, he learned from a co-worker that similar cabins were being installed in other cities, including Seattle, San Jose, Los Angeles and San Diego, he said.
The split circuits included traffic from peering links connecting to other internet backbone providers, meaning that AT&T was also diverting traffic routed from its network to or from other domestic and international providers, Klein said.
Latest Glenn Greenwald Scoop Vindicates One Of The Original NSA Whistleblowers
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/nsa-whistleblower-william-binney-was-right-2013-6#ixzz2XSbM53pC
Binney claims that the NSA took one of the programs he built, known as ThinThread, and started using the program and members of his team to spy on virtually every U.S. citizen under the code-name Stellar Wind.
Thanks to NSA whistleblower/leaker Edward Snowden, documents detailing the top-secret surveillance program have now been published for the first time.
And they corroborate what Binney has said for years.
Schahill on Rand Paul
I would say that about a third of Rand Pauls filibuster was sane and some of the best information thats been put on the public record, and then the other two-thirds was this kind of bizarre Tea Party carnival where it was almost like a burlesque show or something.
They roll onto the floor of the Senate and it was like a hodgepodge of every crazy conspiracy theory that they have about President Obama how he wants to come after the Tea Party zine editor in a café in Montana, and theyre going to drone-bomb this person from the Tea Party.
I think it was a sort of two-edged sword. On the one hand Im glad that Rand Paul did that, and he tried to hold up the nomination of Brennan on these very serious issues. On the other hand, I think it diminished the seriousness of the issue, because quite frankly, I think Rand Paul has utterly reprehensible views on so many things.
We could spend hours talking about some of the despicable positions of Rand Paul and other people within the Tea Party. On this issue, I do think that he was being sincere in wanting to raise issues about it, but then he flips his position on it a couple weeks later and talks about drone-bombing someone who robbed a liquor store.
So thats unfortunate. If someone like if we had a credible Democratic senator, someone like Dick Durbin out of Illinois, who said, You know what? Im a major supporter of this president, but this has gone too far and I want to hold serious hearings of this to see is our national security being degraded by our pursuit of a small group of terrorists and our killing of a larger group of civilians? What are the actual national security implications of that?
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/tavissmiley/interviews/investigative-journalist-jeremy-scahill/
Greenwald does not have a timeline problem. The NY Times as the story broke:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/11/us/how-edward-j-snowden-orchestrated-a-blockbuster-story.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&Cryptic Overtures and a Clandestine Meeting Gave Birth to a Blockbuster Story
By CHARLIE SAVAGE and MARK MAZZETTI
Published: June 10, 2013
1) January 2013: Snowden reaches out to documentary filmaker Laura Poitras
2) February 2013: Greenwald receives "an enigmatic e-mail identifying himself as a reader and saying he wanted to communicate about a potential story using encryption."
3) February 2013: Greenwald receives encryption software but doesn't complete the installation process.
4) March 2013: Poitras reaches out to Greenwald to discuss the issue. "At that point, neither knew his name yet."
5) Late April or early May: Greenwald and Snowden begin communicating via encrypted email.
6) Last week of May: Greenwald flies to New York to meet with Guardian editors and then he and Poitras fly to Hong Kong.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2013/06/25/msnbcs-reid-raises-questions-about-guardians-glenn-greenwald/
We had early conversations about setting up encryption, so we worked early on to set that up, Greenwald says. We didnt work on any documents. I didnt even know Edward Snowdens name or where he worked until after he was in Hong Kong with the documents. Anyone who is claiming that somehow I worked with him to get those documents or helped him is just lying.
This is too cool. May I quote you (and attribute) you when appropriate?
DUer xocet
June 20, 2012
It led down a dark thread.
From out of nowhere, self-referential blue links appeared and were everywhere around my reply.
They kept pointing and pointing - full of text and assertion yet signifying nothing.
Hydra-like, if one were addressed, ten more would sprout in its place.
...Pointing and pointing...Always pointing...Always regressing...Away from the OP and off towards infinity...
Only then did I realize my shameful problem.
It has been a struggle, but I am no longer made mad by the policies of this Administration - all of which now make perfect sense.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023051604#post40
You gave me the link to the appeal. Can you or can you not give me a link to the original case.
Your link to Leagle.com leads to the appellate case: ANDERSON v. HALE 159 F.Supp.2d 1116 (2001)
Your cited text says these words: "A 52-page transcript of one conversation showed defendants' counsel steered the conversation by eliciting particular responses to detailed questions, leading to more detailed questions, to lure the witness into damning statements for later use." Nowhere in ANDERSON v. HALE 159 F.Supp.2d 1116 (2001) do those words appear.
You claim that your text comes from ANDERSON v. HALE, 202 F.R.D. 548 (N.D.Ill. 2001), but a search of Leagle.com for that case turns up only the appellate case not the original case.
A google search of ANDERSON v. HALE, 202 F.R.D. 548 (N.D.Ill. 2001) also leads to the appellate case and not the original case.
A google search of these words: "A 52-page transcript of one conversation showed defendants' counsel steered the conversation by eliciting particular responses to detailed questions, leading to more detailed questions, to lure the witness into damning statements for later use.", brings up a comment on Little Green Footballs at the top of the page which remarkably you parrot verbatim.
From the Little Green Footballs site:
A 52-page transcript of one conversation showed defendants counsel steered the conversation by eliciting particular responses to detailed questions, leading to more detailed questions, to lure the witness into damning statements for later use. Anderson v. Hale, 202 F.R.D. 548 (N.D.Ill. 2001),
And here you are: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023040270#post33
He also attempted to manipulate the witness statements, per the magistrate's findings of fact-
"A 52-page transcript of one conversation showed defendants' counsel steered the conversation by eliciting particular responses to detailed questions, leading to more detailed questions, to lure the witness into damning statements for later use." Anderson v. Hale, 202 F.R.D. 548 (N.D.Ill. 2001),
Apparently, he was talking aobut fires:
http://whenthealarmsounds.blogspot.com/2011/08/ben-franklins-ounce-of-prevention-led.html"In the first place, as an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, I would advise how they suffer living brands-ends or coals in a full shovel to be carried out of one room into another or up or down stairs, unless in a warming-pan and shut; for scraps of fire may fall into chinks and make no appearance until mid-night; when your stairs being in flames, you may be forced, (as I once was) to leap out of your window and hazard your necks to avoid being over-raosted
If chimneys were more frequently and more carefully clean'd some fires might thereby be prevented. I have known foul chimneys to burn furiously a few days after they are swept; people in confidence that they are clean, making large fires. Everybody among us is allow'd to sweep chimneys that please to undertake that business; and if chimney fires thro' fault of the sweeper goes free. This thing is not right.
Those who undertake sweeping of chimneys and employ servants for that purpose, ought to be licensed by the Mayor; and if any chimney fires and flames out 15 days after sweeping, the fine should be paid by the sweeper; for it is his fault".
According to the book "Franklin and Fire" published in 1906, "one result of this paper seems to have been the founding of the Union Fire Company in 1736 by Franklin and four of his friends." They formed their fire company "for preserving our own and our fellow citizens' houses, goods, and effects in case of fire"
FYI, Hillary supported the Iraq invasion and has never walked that support back.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022990949#post9
Copied and added to my journal for the time that Hillary runs for President.
How Would A Patriot Act?: Defending American Values from a President Run Amok
In the lead up to the Iraq war, Glenn was a private citizen. He didn't have a blog. He hadn't written a book. He hadn't appeared on TV. He had no national or international voice to influence public opinion.I wanted to shed some light on one of the current smears against Greenwald. The man wrote 3 books and thousands of blog posts against the Bush regime, the surveillance state and the erosion of our civil liberties. But he didn't get to that point naturally or easily. Below is an excerpt of the preface to the book "How Would A Patriot Act?" A book in which he unrelentingly exposes the Bush admin and the lying warmongers and the architects of the imperial presidency. It's a rare person who can admit that they were wrong (and I applaud those high-profile Democrats in government and the media who supported Bush's invasion of Iraq - those that did actually have the power and the platform to speak out publicly against the Iraq war - who have subsequently apologized for their support) and I admire Greenwald for openly admitting his political evolution.
How Would A Patriot Act?: Defending American Values from a President Run Amok
By Glenn Greenwald 2006
(Emphasis mine)
It is not desirable or fulfilling to realize that one does not trust one's own government and must disbelieve its statements, and I tried, along with scores of others, to avoid making that choice until the facts no longer permitted such logic.
Soon after our invasion of Iraq, when it became apparent that, contrary to Bush administration claims, there were no weapons of mass destruction, I began concluding, reluctantly, that the administration had veered far off course from defending the country against the threats of Muslim extremism. It appeared that in the great national unity the September 11 attacks had engendered, the administration had seen not a historically unique opportunity to renew a sense of national identity and cohesion, but instead a potent political weapon with which to impose upon our citizens a whole series of policies and programs that had nothing to do with terrorism, but that could be rationalized through an appeal to the nation's fear of further terrorist attacks.
And in the aftermath of the Iraq invasion came a whole host of revelations that took on an increasingly extremist, sinister, and decidedly un- American tenor. The United States was using torture as an interrogation tool, in contravention of legal prohibitions. We were violating international treaties we had signed, sending suspects in our custody for interrogation to the countries most skilled in human rights abuses. And as part of judicial proceedings involving Yaser Esam Hamdi, another U.S. citizen whom the Bush administration had detained with no trial and no access to counsel, George W. Bush began expressly advocating theories of executive power that were so radical that they represented the polar opposite of America's founding principles.
With all of these extremist and plainly illegal policies piling up, I sought to understand what legal and constitutional justifications the Bush administration could invoke to engage in such conduct. What I discovered, to my genuine amazement and alarm, is that these actions had their roots in sweeping, extremist theories of presidential power that many administration officials had been advocating for years before George Bush was even elected. The 9/11 attacks provided them with the opportunity to officially embrace those theories. In the aftermath of the attack, senior lawyers in the Bush Justice Department had secretly issued legal memoranda stating that the president can seize literally absolute, unchecked power in order to defend the country against terrorism. To assert, as they did, that neither Congress nor the courts can place any limits on the president's decisions is to say that the president is above the law. Once it became apparent that the administration had truly adopted these radical theories and had begun exerting these limitless, kinglike powers, I could no longer afford to ignore them.
http://www.bookbrowse.com/excerpts/index.cfm?fuseaction=printable&book_number=1812
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