After watching Thom Hartmann's video, I spent a couple of hours looking into these folks and it was perhaps the creepiest two hours of my life. Obviously most of these people are delusional on a grand level but there is something really dark going on here. Alex Jones has created one hell of a monster! Youtube is a perfect incubator for nuts to congregate and for full scale group-think to start kicking in. They feed off one another to a fevers pitch! Some scary shit out there and one of these days a lot of innocent people are going to get killed!



This lady has also been cyber stalking. She really needs some kind of medication probably for schizophrenia. Her story is basically " "I am really Adam Lanza's mother. He was stolen from my womb" And this is just a small sample of hundreds of folks in this movement.

By the way, she also has he own channel with her crazy, crazy ideas, see here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQJMfuZGndoign5lREJd1Vw

I personally think the Native American's make a very good point, however if he won that case it would open the door to chaos! Every place a treaty was broken would be fair game, which is probably most of the country. Bundy's situation is very different because it's based on lies with the family buying the ranch in the 1940's.

Since I haven't been able to watch the news today, I am just wondering how that went?

Gov. corruption, with guns pointed at officers, how many do you think would still be alive today?

May 13, 2014 By Allen Clifton


Welfare rancher Cliven Bundy and his band of armed supporters who don’t understand how our laws or Constitution work are the story that just keeps on giving.

It’s been over a month since this story first broke, yet there are still reports of armed Bundy supporters roaming around the Nevada and Utah deserts “standing up against the federal government.” The fact that there continues to be groups of people sitting around the desert doing nothing for well over a month now has led many individuals like myself to ask the question, “Don’t they have jobs?”

Well, that question has somewhat been answered as it seems that several of these “patriots who don’t need help from anyone” are now asking for welfare from supporters to help them pay bills and buy food.

- See more at: http://www.forwardprogressives.com/bundy-ranchs-armed-lunatics-asking-welfare-can-continue-sit-around-work/#sthash.SepbPbbc.dpuf

Currently with issues like Cliven Bundy and the ATV issue in Utah over the weekend, there is a lot of misinformation going around suggesting the federal Government can only own land in Washington D.C. etc. BS like this for example which I keep coming across:

"Obeying the law", an indiscriminate and illegitimate law, works under a Sovereign dictatorship, but that's not what this country is about. Those laws must be congruent with the terms of the Constitution, and they have long not been so. The federal government is not only not entitled to own lands in any of the States, but also the Constitution does not allow for any federal laws applicable directly to the people of those several States.

It goes on with a bunch more misinformation probably from some sovereign citizen website. So here is the place in the Constitution that addresses Federal property:

Snip> The second clause that resides within the third section of Article 4 is entitled "Federal Property and the Territorial Clause". It authorizes Congress to do away with as well as create and maintain all lands existent within each State residing as Federal properties. In addition, it specifies that nothing within the Constitution will place any restraints whatsoever upon the right of the United States Government to reign over such rules for each State. The Government reserves the right to set aside lands by its own volition. This Clause allows Congress to reside over the transactions attached to that of Federal property. This leaves the United States as the final authority when referencing concerns of Federal properties. - See more at: http://constitution.laws.com/article-4/federal-property#sthash.wATCMxtC.sJwfhQAK.dpuf

Here is some background on this: http://www.forwardprogressives.com/cliven-bundy-now-encouraging-lunatic-followers-trample-through-navajo-nation-sites/

Here is commissioner Phil Lyman's facebook page. He is the one who organized this: https://www.facebook.com/Phil.Lyman.SanJuanCountyCommissioner

Update: The facebook page above has been closed down due to too many negative comments.

Tribal groups dismayed by Recapture ATV protest: http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/57919721-78/blm-canyon-recapture-ride.html.csp

Snip from ABC News: "A 14-mile section of trail in the canyon is closed to motorized vehicles, BLM officials said, but there are more than 2,800 miles of trails open to them on public lands around Blanding." WAAAAH! We can't go on 14 miles of road yet we could drive from Utah to Europe on the roads open to ATV's around Blanding. The stupidity here is stunning!