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The propaganda will always be mystified at why Democrats betrayed us "this time."

There is always an excuse. Usually it is a lesser of two evils con. Sometimes it is problems with redistricting. It's interesting that Virginia was gerrymandered while a Democrat who could have prevented its passage was absent from Washington. Things like that sure seem to happen a lot. And Harry Reid couldn't seem to rally Democrats to change the filibuster rules, either.

The propaganda will always try to make the arguments personal, too. It is always about "anger" or "enemies" or the sin of questioning the motives of a Democrat. We are never to notice or seriously consider the effects of the tsunami of corporate money flooding Washington and our Party, and we are never to look at the PATTERN.

Like in Groundhog Day, we're expected to retain no memory or awareness of the relentless, horrifying pattern of betrayals unfolding before us, day after day after day after day after day, the unslowed eating of the poor by the rich through policy. Each betrayal is presented as an aberration, a "special circumstance," or perhaps gazillion-dimensional chess on our behalf, that we couldn't possibly understand.

We are merely to smile and treat each one, again and again and again, as merely an aberration. We are to drift from betrayal to betrayal in hypnotic belief that our corporate Democrats share the same heartfelt principles and policy goals we do...even though their actions repeatedly, relentlessly pursue the opposite.

And even though the flood of corporate money they receive explains why.


It takes strenuous, almost superhuman effort to deny the obvious problem here, but that is what the propaganda does. You have no response to my extensive lists of betrayals by Democrats. You simply ignore them and divert.

And we are urged to circle the wagons and deny the real problem again.
Posted by woo me with science | Tue Oct 15, 2013, 09:14 PM (1 replies)

What a diversionary, distorting reply,

but illustrative of the corporate propaganda that is now ubiquitous on this site.

You chose to ignore the most relevant information in that thread expressing the rage of DU at another "bargain" that overwhelmingly favors the rich. Look at the numbers:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022115254#post23

Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #20)Wed Jan 2, 2013, 12:52 AM
woo me with science (22,592 posts)
23. And the middle class and poor will pay much, much more than the rich.

Not only does this public relations tax increase affect only a small fraction of the wealthy who should be paying, it is insulting in its size and the amount of money it does collect, compared to the amount of money that will be squeezed from Americans who have already been knocked down and robbed over and over and over again.

Look how obscene the numbers are: The new taxes on the top two percent will collect a measly 600 billion dollars, out of more than FOUR TRILLION that the White House seeks to collect over the next decade. Guess who's in line to be soaked for the rest?

http://www.facebook.com/RBReich/posts/542987339047200
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022110382


Always watch the numbers. Watch the profits of insurance companies, oil companies, bankers, and thieves. Watch the expanding gap between rich and poor. There's always a bargain, and the poor are always the losers. Every. Single. Time.

You have argued irrelevancies throughout this thread and relentlessly diverted from the main point. You argue whether 5 votes is a "large" margin, or you argue that since Dems don't lose by "just enough" (i.e., one vote every single time), that the pattern of corporateward lurch after corporateward lurch is somehow irrelevant or does not exist.

And now you distort my point by arguing that since members of the Progressive Caucus do not serve as the "rotating villains" every single time, that the entire pattern of betrayal does not exist. Never mind that the list I posted shows Betrayal after Betrayal after Betrayal caused by the voting behavior of Democrats, whether Blue Dogs alone or members of the Progressive Caucus happen to be the "rotating villains" of the moment.

And even as you attempt to use these absurd irrelevancies to divert from the overwhelming pattern of corporate sellout through Democratic votes, you at the same time offer the bizarre, Orwellian claim that this week's most recent betrayal by Democrats is *counterevidence* to what I am saying. In other words, a new betrayal vote is *evidence* that the pattern of betrayal votes is illusory.

You can't make this stuff up.

The point is that the corporate outcome is consistent. It is a pattern. It is deliberate. And it is utterly consistent with the relentless, proactive corporate direction of this administration since Day One, detailed in this list that blows apart the absurd propaganda claim that Republican obstructionism is the only or main problem here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3202395 . Of course, the quiet replacement by the administration of a public option with the corporate ACA in back-door meetings with insurance executives, even as he was still lying to the public that it was still on the table, and even though the public option was very popular in polls at the time and could have been pushed with public support, is just one particularly ugly example. The direction of this administration is relentlessly corporate, and the behavior of Democrats in Congress is glaringly consistent. We have a problem. Not with rogue Democrats here and there, but with the overwhelming *chosen* direction of the Party.

Every Democrat who cares about the Party, and every American who cares about the nation, needs to face this problem of corporate money driving policy. The excuses, denials, and rationalizations do not cut it anymore. There's a reason this country is in crisis now. Republicans have long been trying to loot the country like this. The difference now is that corporatists have now seized control of our Party, too, and the Democratic Party is no longer standing in the way of the looting.

The cherry on top is your attempt here and below to dismiss this entire history of betrayal after betrayal...the continued relentless increase of the gap between rich and poor through policy even under a Democratic administration....by mocking one journalist who happened to write about it. You know the corporate propaganda has no good response to an argument when the reflexive smears of Glenn Greenwald ("GG" and cries of "Libertarian!" are trotted out.










Posted by woo me with science | Tue Oct 15, 2013, 07:59 PM (1 replies)

As per the unwritten rules for obligatory corporate Dem propaganda responses,

you will continue to argue this point until everyone else gives up from exhaustion. You will argue relentlessly, because any overt statement of the obvious, coordinated control of this party by corporatist Dems cannot be permitted to stand in the current climate of 24/7 propaganda and messaging.

You will do this even though history and simple observation render your conclusions absurd. We are to accept that the now-predictable votes of Democrats to enable corporate hijacking of government are evidence that the Party really opposes corporate hijacking of government....just as in other threads we are solemnly lectured that Obama's offering up Social Security and Medicare on the chopping block proves that he opposes cuts in Social Security and Medicare.

War is Peace, and the chocolate ration has been increased, and they are working on an even bigger increase for all of us.

You will create and fixate on absurd distractions like suggesting that 2-3 spare GOP votes would be "close," but "4-5" certainly wouldn't be, ignoring entirely the larger point, which is that each and every important vote like this is predictable as the sunrise when it comes to its ultimate outcome: The Party makes sure of it.

Houston, we have a problem.


The fatally compromised Progressive Caucus.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022160908

Progressive Caucus Folds: Progressives who won't pledge no cuts to SS, Medicare, etc
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022451785

Wall Street Deregulation Garners Bipartisan Support Despite Devastating JPMorgan Report
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022539673

Which 73 Democrats Just Voted to Gut Dodd-Frank Today
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023005903

Rachel Maddow Rips Harry Reid For "Caving" on Filibuster Reform
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251280423

Oh well the American people just a got a bipartisan fucking.......
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022115254

8 Senate Democrats vote with Republicans to cut Food Stamps.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022943396

Senate votes 53-46 to stop US from joining UN Arms Trade Treaty
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014433427

Did one of your Democratic Senators vote to support the Keystone Pipeline?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022559350

WTF? Nine Democrats who voted for the shutdown?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251326927

Did your rep vote to continue NSA spying?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023365703

Which Democrats voted against restoring food stamps
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101664210

GMO Labeling Bill Voted Down In Senate
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251307814

Three-Quarters of Progressive Caucus Not Taking a Stand Against Cuts in Social Security, Medicare
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022434381

47 members of Congressional Progressive Caucus won't promise not to cut Social Security and Medicare
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022657030






Posted by woo me with science | Tue Oct 15, 2013, 06:36 AM (2 replies)

And again we are conned. The familiar "rotating villains" strategy.

We are being played by corporatists in both parties. Again.

These are not rogues. They are the designated villains for this round. This is the same con our own corporate-purchased party plays on us, over and over again.


http://www.salon.com/2010/02/23/democrats_34/

Tuesday, Feb 23, 2010 11:24 AM UTC
The Democratic Party’s deceitful game
They are willing to bravely support any progressive bill as long as there's no chance it can pass
By Glenn Greenwald

Democrats perpetrate the same scam over and over on their own supporters, and this illustrates perfectly how it’s played:

.... Rockefeller was willing to be a righteous champion for the public option as long as it had no chance of passing...But now that Democrats are strongly considering the reconciliation process — which will allow passage with only 50 rather than 60 votes and thus enable them to enact a public option — Rockefeller is suddenly “inclined to oppose it” because he doesn’t “think the timing of it is very good” and it’s “too partisan.” What strange excuses for someone to make with regard to a provision that he claimed, a mere five months ago (when he knew it couldn’t pass), was such a moral and policy imperative that he “would not relent” in ensuring its enactment.

The Obama White House did the same thing. As I wrote back in August, the evidence was clear that while the President was publicly claiming that he supported the public option, the White House, in private, was doing everything possible to ensure its exclusion from the final bill (in order not to alienate the health insurance industry by providing competition for it). Yesterday, Obama — while having his aides signal that they would use reconciliation if necessary — finally unveiled his first-ever health care plan as President, and guess what it did not include? The public option, which he spent all year insisting that he favored oh-so-much but sadly could not get enacted: Gosh, I really want the public option, but we just don’t have 60 votes for it; what can I do?. As I documented in my contribution to the NYT forum yesterday, now that there’s a 50-vote mechanism to pass it, his own proposed bill suddenly excludes it.

This is what the Democratic Party does...They’re willing to feign support for anything their voters want just as long as there’s no chance that they can pass it. They won control of Congress in the 2006 midterm elections by pretending they wanted to compel an end to the Iraq War and Bush surveillance and interrogation abuses because they knew they would not actually do so; and indeed, once they were given the majority, the Democratic-controlled Congress continued to fund the war without conditions, to legalize Bush’s eavesdropping program, and to do nothing to stop Bush’s habeas and interrogation abuses (“Gosh, what can we do? We just don’t have 60 votes).

The primary tactic in this game is Villain Rotation. They always have a handful of Democratic Senators announce that they will be the ones to deviate this time from the ostensible party position and impede success, but the designated Villain constantly shifts, so the Party itself can claim it supports these measures while an always-changing handful of their members invariably prevent it. One minute, it’s Jay Rockefeller as the Prime Villain leading the way in protecting Bush surveillance programs and demanding telecom immunity; the next minute, it’s Dianne Feinstein and Chuck Schumer joining hands and “breaking with their party” to ensure Michael Mukasey’s confirmation as Attorney General; then it’s Big Bad Joe Lieberman single-handedly blocking Medicare expansion; then it’s Blanche Lincoln and Jim Webb joining with Lindsey Graham to support the de-funding of civilian trials for Terrorists; and now that they can’t blame Lieberman or Ben Nelson any longer on health care (since they don’t need 60 votes), Jay Rockefeller voluntarily returns to the Villain Role, stepping up to put an end to the pretend-movement among Senate Democrats to enact the public option via reconciliation.



DUer leveymg and others have correctly identified what is really going on here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3839411

67. It's because this lunacy is all a quite rational way to propel the Center-Right Austerity agenda.

That's precisely why I don't believe this BS about 40 Teahadis being responsible for the "crisis."

A partial shutdown suits the deficit hawks in both parties just fine, since it's been adjusted so it doesn't actually impact payrolls in the military and Intelligence agencies. This is simply austerity and cuts to social programs without anyone having to actually vote for it, and that's making the Center-Right smile.

Of course, they won't allow actual default of the debt - the "threat" of that just another psychological device to make this seem like a real crisis. It's not - it's simply austerity by default.


Wake up, America. We had a few good months in which the American people were united and seemed to have an awakening realization that we are being played by corporatists on both sides.

It's still happening.



Posted by woo me with science | Mon Oct 14, 2013, 05:01 PM (6 replies)
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