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Proud Liberal Dem

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Name: Mara
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Hometown: Indianapolis, Indiana
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Transgender (MTF) Social Worker/Case Manager working for State of Indiana. Huge Sci-Fi/Anime Geek and music lover. Hopeless \"political junkie\" and aspiring writer.

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Not everybody supported going to war in Iraq

to the extent that some Democrats and even some Republicans (i.e. Dick Armey) voted for the IWR, I wouldn't exactly say that they wholeheartedly supported the endeavor, more like dragged into it. They weren't in charge of Congress nor the WH either and could realistically not do much about it other than make some noise, which several did. Yes, many Democrats, including Bill Clinton thought that Iraq still had some WMDs leftover because the inspections regime had broken down and was nonexistent for several years prior and nobody really knew for sure what he had or didn't have and there were some political dimensions to the vote as well (boo on them for that) but most of the Democrats were lukewarm about the whole endeavor at best and many voted for the IWR more to push Iraq to accept the UN Weapons Inspectors back in, which is what Kerry outlined in a speech at the time.

Here's a thought experiment for everybody that says that Democrats "supported" the war in Iraq: Imagine if Gore had gotten elected President and assuming that 9/11 still happened. Would the invasion/occupation of Iraq have even been suggested and/or supported by Gore and Democrats in Congress as a necessary and/or proper response to 9/11? The MOST I could ever have seen Gore and Democrats do was what Bush did in terms of getting the UN inspections back in place, which, had he just stopped at that, it would have been a good thing and important victory for his (mis-)Administration. Instead of accepting their results (which Gore would have done), Bush, of course, trashed the UN and the inspectors and invaded anyway, which indicates that other factors were at play.

If we are going to debate who does and who does not have the moral authority to criticize Russia, then, well, what about President Obama? I mean, he NEVER supported the war in Iraq in any way, shape, or form.
Posted by Proud Liberal Dem | Tue Mar 4, 2014, 11:52 AM (0 replies)

It's amazing

That over a decade later, we are still debating the precise meaning of the IWR vote and what it meant. To me, it was about giving Bush the authority to do what he felt was necessary regarding Iraq. I never took it as a vote for war per se and Kerry made a speech outlining why he voted for it and what he expected Bush to do with it. I think a lot of Dems voted for it in a similar manner and/or out of political concerns. Doubt many actually wanted war.
Posted by Proud Liberal Dem | Mon Mar 3, 2014, 01:29 PM (0 replies)

They hate President Obama and the ACA

more than they care about their own uninsured constituents. And all of the people they've trotted out as "Obamacare horror stories" could have had similar (or better) insurance if they had bothered to go on "that Obama website" or their State's (if they're living in an elightened one) website to find out for themselves- though they chose to complain about it to their representatives (or were paid by the Koch's to pose as an "Obamacare victim". If anybody bothers to ask why I'm not a Republican, I will point stuff like this out to them. Disgusting. I'm yet hopeful that ACA will endure and outlast all of this hatred and demonization but it is utterly depressing to see them work so hard to make it harder for people to get healthcare than a gun in this country.
Posted by Proud Liberal Dem | Sun Mar 2, 2014, 07:28 PM (0 replies)

Not to mention

how when he does try to talk about something else, they accuse of him trying to "distract" coverage away from ACA. They have no internal/consistent logic to any of their arguments and they are unrelentingly nasty towards him. It's gotten to the point that I just automatically tune out 99% of anything that comes out of their mouths.
Posted by Proud Liberal Dem | Sat Mar 1, 2014, 01:25 AM (0 replies)
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