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Hatred from Trump supporters is usually a mirror

They talk about a "deep state" and of supposed conspiracies against them.
But they don't talk about the Council for National Policy, the Arlington Group, or Groundswell.

They tell us black protesters are "disrespecting" national symbols.
But they don't seem to notice their own supporters waving the American flag alongside the Confederate or even Nazi flag.

They tell us to fear the Muslim and the immigrant.
But they don't want us to notice the people who are shooting up our schools, churches, movie theaters, music festivals, restaurants, and more are people who look and act just like them.

They tell us of massive conspiracies of sexual deviance... whether it's the "homosexual agenda", transgenders who just want to use bathrooms, or imaginary tales such as Pizzagate.
But they would never come clean about Lisa Biron, Josh Duggar, Wesley Goodman, and Earl Kimmerling.

They tell us they are against "division" that is supposedly caused by the left according to them.
But they were silent when they tried to divide the private sector against the public sector, people who say black lives matter against everyone else, the poor black person against the poor white person, etc.

It's time to call this out.

- Distique

Disputing "division"

How often do you see and hear these well-meaning lines?

"The Russians want us to be divided!"
"We can't be balkanized!"
"Our country is more divided than ever - We need a reconciliation!"

While these lines may be well-meaning, I am not sure if they are entirely grounded in the facts.

First thing is first, this isn't about Russia or Putin, it was mentioned above. He's a murderer and his circle is nothing but looters and killers who have stolen Russia from the Russian people, but that is another issue for another time. This is about us, here, today.

I think the issue of our country supposedly being "divided" or "balkanized" isn't an issue of division at all. But rather one faction acting like they constitute the "other side" of an issue, this faction cloistering themselves off physically, socially, and politically, the lack of acceptance of changing demographics and support for various issues, and the usage of tainted and sham elections to aid them in this cloistering.

There are dangers if we also continue to play into this "But we are divided" game, some very tangible. These need to be addressed as well, and that will be done here.

So the issue isn't of division I say, it's of cloistering and lack of acceptance, what does that mean exactly? Well, many things.

Demographics - It's not being "divided" that our country is changing, it always has, and always will. Immigrants, unmarried people, single mothers, GLBTQ people being 'out', minorities voicing concerns, and yes, big bad scary Muslims. This is not an issue of division, it's an issue that we have a faction here that can not accept these demographics are proud Americans or in some cases, exist at all. This faction here wants to cloister themselves off... pretend they aren't Americans, pretend they don't exist, pretend they have no concerns need addressing, pretend they have no narratives or discourse, pretend they have no rights, no ability to participate or govern. There is nothing that can be done to massively change the demographics here, at least nothing that isn't a crime against humanity.

Time - Guess what? It's the year 2018. It's not the 1950s, it's not before the civil war which according to Roy Moore which was when America was great... even though there might have been just a 'little' slavery. Classy, right? Anyway, it's the present, we live, work, and play in the present. There is nothing "divided" about that, it's this one faction that wants to cloister themselves off from everyone else, and pretend they can somehow turn back the clock to go live in this made-up past world when black people and women knew their 'proper' place and before the time when there "were no gay people or Muslims". This goes along with that demographics thing I mentioned above. Also note how they want to turn back the clock but they don't want to give up antibiotics, indoor plumbing, cars, electricity, or Twitter. Come on guys, at least go hard in the paint.

Politics today - We have this faction that quite literally cloistered themselves off in Washington DC and their little red county enclaves they never leave. It's not being "divided" that our country has a multitude of issues, and people who champion these issues from various sides, it's normal politics. But when we have people who would rather vote for a theocratic sex offender or a man who pretty much killed 29 people to 'stick it to the libs', it's not "division", it's one faction being irrational. It's one faction cloistering themselves off, they want nothing to do with Democrats or liberals. There is nothing 'other side' about that. Period.

We need to move forward, and I have an idea. We simply say they have concerns and we move on. There is no compromise on the demographics of our nation, we can't magically leave 2018 and go to some magical and enchanted past world which is really only a hyperreality conservatives have constructed like it's supposed to be a timeshare. If the right wing wants to be cloistered then let them be cloistered in their own little world. And if they truly want to accept people of other colors, religions, sexual orientations, sexual identities, etc. and if they start to prefer the present to some simulated past that only exists in their minds, then more power to them, that might be a good first step. But we need to stop enabling this cloistering, that is on us.

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Let's understand, let's know what the right wing is about.

The root of divisiveness? The ultra right and Trump supporters ARE the division.

Case in point, it's the year 2018. Next year is going to be 2019. Next year is not going to be 1950 or if you're Roy Moore... 1860 which is when America was great even though there was "some slavery". There's an illusory version of some altered reality that only exists in their heads, when America was great, you know before the feminists, gays, transgender people, Muslims, or uppity black people with the gall of saying their lives matter.

I look at my calendar, it's 2018. My phone says it's 2018. I am enjoying antibiotics, electricity, and the proliferation of indoor plumbing; all products one can commonly find in the US in the year 2018. If I ask someone what year it is, they will tell me it is the year 2018. I can ask Siri what year it is, she will tell me it is 2018.

I can say, with a good degree of confidence that it is the year 2018.

And as far as I know, there is no way to compromise on that, no way to meet in the middle between 2018 and 1950/1860, no amount of historical revisionism will change that, there are people who are trying to remove the groups I mentioned above from the political discourse but it will still be the year 2018.

When it comes to this issue of a group trying to roll America back to some era that didn't really exist except through the perceptions of their rose-colored glasses, through confabulation of memories, and by the tales of their parents and what they were told what America was like before all "those people" came to be, then that will take eliminationism, voter suppression, removal from political life, repression, and possibly even genocide just to create some simulacra of this imaginary era, then this isn't a left vs right issue or a Democrat vs Republican issue... It's a right wing/Trump supporter vs time issue, it's a right wing/Trump supporter vs demographics issue, it's a right wing/Trump supporter vs human rights issue, and it's a right wing/Trump supporter vs reality issue.

Notice the common denominator here? It's time to call it out.

What's so bad, terrible, and horrible about this "division" we keep hearing about?

Politicians and pundits tell us it's a bad thing, that it's bad that we are polarized supposedly more than ever.

And here's Glenn Beck talking about how we need a "reconciliation"

Now obviously, division to the point of civil war or us building up medieval fortresses or setting no man's land between them is all truly horrible. But this isn't that, and I don't think it will ever get to that point, not at least with the US in it's current state.

To me, it seems as though that the "division" being in this country is a designated villain, it is bad simply because we are told that it is bad.

You didn't see any of these "this division is bad" people when we had pundits divide us up into liberal vs conservative. I think we saw at what might have been it's highest point (so far) when Doug Jones inched out a victory over Roy Moore. You know, a qualified Democrat barely inching out a victory over a man twice removed from the bench, a man with visions of some sort of fascist theocracy, a sex offender, and straight out of a dystopian novel.

This whole anti-division thing also contributes to the issue of our government and media gaslighting us. Going off on the Roy Moore example, sure I'm on the left and I may not be 100% objective on political issues, but it's not division talking when one says Roy Moore was removed from the bench twice or that Doug Jones was far more qualified than Moore. Those are objective truths, those are real, brute facts.

And in that vein there seems to be so great of a fear of division that we would choose not being divided over not normalizing the worst of us. I'm not uniting with white supremacists, I'm not uniting with the trolls who offered Alison Chandra a .22 bullet, I'm not uniting with transphobes who say the transgender people I count among my loved ones are "not real" or with the Islamophobes who say the Muslims I love are enemies, and I'm not uniting with people who think the highest point of our country's history, heck some may even think all human history, was when black people were property. Not going to happen. Not going to apologize for it.

And it seems to be an awfully convenient thing to be against "division" when Republicans control the White House, the Senate, and the House. Will unity and just trusting our government still be great things when the House and/or Senate go into the hands of the Democrats?

One last thing on an economics note, you don't see a lot of millionaires and billionaires going around saying the financial situation in this country is way too polarized... "We better create some harmony and redistribute our wealth", I want so see that. Why do you suppose that's not something we're experiencing though?

So, don't be afraid of division in and of itself. Use it. Play with it. Choose it over being gaslighted. Choose it over normalizing the worst of our society. And remember, it's division that tells us that both parties are not the same.

Athletes should just shut up and play. Celebrities should just shut up and act/sing.

Non-Christian conservatives should just shut up and convert to the right religion.

Black people should just shut up and "comply" with contradictory orders that they only have a split second to process or else.

Liberals should just shut up, period.

Democrats should just shut up and let Trump enact his agenda.

Everyone outside of the US except for Putin should just shut up about the US.

And students should just shut up and get shot.

Am I missing anyone?

Welcome to Trump's America.

Remember kids, according to the GOP...

You are old enough to be:
* A henchman for George Soros
* Dating Roy Moore
* Shot by a mass shooter

But not old enough to have your own opinion on your right to live as opposed the right of some guy to get a gun and shoot at you.
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