So when we're doing the math we would do well to not count on those votes, at all.

Arguably one might make the case that the difference, for instance, between the Green performance in 2012 & 2016, that could be pointed at and said "stupid fucks, you should have voted for Hillary".

But, really, anyone who didn't vote for Hillary, one could make the same argument.

As to your first question, I think Clinton the candidate did an exemplary job from the Convention onward. But I think her campaign made some profound tactical errors around ignoring the rust belt as well as not coming up with a simple cogent message to the economic anxieties of those voters.