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Two peas in a pod: Abortion restrictionists and gun control advocates, part deux

Both prohibitionist groups have revived the thesis of my original post- by getting up to the
same sort of dishonest horseshit that prompted the original OP:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/117235299

https://www.democraticunderground.com/117235299#post26

'True believers' of all sorts are more alike than different-not that they'll ever admit it...

It's hardly a new or original observation- it is the underlying thesis of Eric Hoffer's The True Believer: Thoughts On The Nature Of Mass Movements

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_True_Believer

...The book analyzes and attempts to explain the motives of the various types of personalities that give rise to mass movements; why and how mass movements start, progress and end; and the similarities between them, whether religious, political, radical or reactionary. As examples, the book often refers to Communism, Fascism, National Socialism, Christianity, Protestantism, and Islam. Hoffer believes that mass movements are interchangeable, that adherents will often flip from one movement to another, and that the motivations for mass movements are interchangeable; that religious, nationalist and social movements, whether radical or reactionary, tend to attract the same type of followers, behave in the same way and use the same tactics, even when their stated goals or values differed.


First, the gun prohibition side is heard from

https://www.democraticunderground.com/126213486


Children are murded in schools because of a Constitutional Amendment that makes it easy to murder children in schools.

...And to be fair, the Second Amendment, in my view, was never intended to allow for personal, in home ownership of guns by everyone. But Antonin Scalia, that darling of the so-called originalist school, claimed to find that right hidden in the actual words of an Amendment that never mentions any such right...


Ahem. What Scalia actually said was, with added emphasis:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/07pdf/07-290.pdf


(2) Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. Pp. 54–56.


And the writer of the immediately proceeding item knew Scalia wrote this-

because they also wrote post 16 below

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1172208076#post7

Scalia specifically said that the 2A allows strict gun control

According to him, the only right you have is to own a handgun in your own home. That is all.




Much of the linked thread is taken up by a persistent argument that a (so far) nonexistant court precedent is the true
and only interpretation of the Second Amendment.

Now onto the 'abortion safety' movement:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142401723


Ohio bill orders doctors to 'reimplant ectopic pregnancy' or face 'abortion murder' charges
Source: theguardian.com

A bill to ban abortion introduced in the Ohio state legislature requires doctors to “reimplant an ectopic pregnancy” into a woman’s uterus – a procedure that does not exist in medical science – or face charges of “abortion murder”.

This is the second time practising obstetricians and gynecologists have tried to tell the Ohio legislators that the idea is currently medically impossible...



Some things just never seem to change very much, do they?


Posted by friendly_iconoclast | Mon Dec 2, 2019, 05:27 AM (2 replies)

To me, Trump and his claque are the 'Kompromat Kids', now and forevermore

And I pledge to use this phrase as often as possible, and urge you to do so as well.

Make Putin *every* Republican's running mate!
Posted by friendly_iconoclast | Wed Nov 27, 2019, 07:42 PM (1 replies)

When he talks, Lindsey Graham sweats and grins like a dog trying to shit a peach pit...

...sideways

No doubt he's very aware that his craven toadying towards Trump is merely delaying his downfall.

Once Lindsey has outlasted his usefulness to Vladimir Vladimirovitch, out will come the kompromat
and away will go Lindsey...


H/t to the great Stephen King for the title line- it's from the first Dark Tower book

Posted by friendly_iconoclast | Wed Nov 27, 2019, 07:11 PM (4 replies)

The sole and only difference I can see between Lavrenti Beria and Bill Barr is...

Beria was an ephebophile who was a ruthless henchman for a megalomaniac

Bill Barr is a ruthless henchman for an ephebophile megalomaniac
Posted by friendly_iconoclast | Mon Nov 25, 2019, 12:51 PM (3 replies)

Bloomberg Is Starting His Campaign With A Big Asset--His Gun-Control Group's Email List

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/11/michael-bloomberg-2020-everytown-moms-demand-action-guns-emails/

Bloomberg Is Starting His Campaign With A Big Asset—His Gun-Control Group’s Email List

His campaign is “temporarily renting” the addresses of Moms Demand Action’s supporters.


Former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg officially entered the 2020 Democratic race Sunday with a potent asset: The vast trove of email addresses amassed by Moms Demand Action, the nonpartisan gun control advocacy organization hosted under the umbrella of Everytown for Gun Safety, which Bloomberg co-founded and largely finances.

The leaders of Moms Demand Action state chapters and local groups received the news from Aimee Tavares, a senior national organizing director for the group, who sent an email roughly three and a half hours after news broke that Bloomberg would formally announce his candidacy. “Given his unique role in launching Everytown, his leadership in advancing the cause of gun safety, and the significant investments he’s made in helping to grow our movement, Mayor Bloomberg’s campaign is temporarily renting access to our list of supporters so they can communicate his plans for achieving our shared goal of a nation free from gun violence,” Tavares wrote.

Tavares added the campaign would not retain access to Moms Demand Action’s email list at the conclusion of Bloomberg’s bid. Members of the group would be “under no obligation to take any action” in response to Bloomberg’s campaign missives, and that “it is entirely up to our volunteers how they spend their volunteer time in this election and which candidates they choose to support, up and down the ballot,” she wrote.

Tavares’ email gave no endorsement of Bloomberg’s candidacy, but noted that “his participation will ensure that our issue remains at the forefront during the remainder of primary season.” In a Twitter thread announcing his candidacy, Bloomberg shared that he had “founded the largest gun safety group in history” alongside a photo of him posing with Moms Demand Action volunteers.



Real cute, Mike- pretending to 'rent' information that he owns lock, stock, and barrel (pun intended).
Who do he and Tavares think they're kidding?

Moms Demand Action is as utterly dependent on and controlled by Mike Bloomberg as Bill Barr is on Trump.

Called it here at DU a week ago:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1172209099

...but undoubtedly his campaign underlings have access to every contact MAIG/MMM/
Everytown for Gun Safety/MDA have or ever had, and are trawling them as I write this.

No doubt Bloomie will poll well with the quiet (and some not-so-quiet) suburban racists that either
approved (or simply elided) his stop-and-frisk policies and racism towards Muslims



H/t to DUer demmiblue for posting this originally...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287358743

And to Mother Jones reporter Kara Voght, who broke the story:

https://twitter.com/karavoght/status/1198961001993064448

ICYMI, scoop from me last night:

@MikeBloomberg's campaign is renting the huge email list for @MomsDemand—the grassroots arm of gun control group @Everytown, which Bloomberg co-founded and funds—to build support for his late entrance into the 2020 race




Posted by friendly_iconoclast | Mon Nov 25, 2019, 11:44 AM (3 replies)

Two cases near me (MA) show that ghost guns are now far past the 'zip gun' stage:

The first account is from Springfield, and has a pic at the link of what seems to be a competently finished CZ75
knockoff:

https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/Suspect-Shouts-Baby-Im-Going-to-Jail-During-Drug-Gun-Arrest-512532881.html


While searching the car, state police said they found small baggies consistent with how heroin is packaged and a large amount of cash. They also located a black semi-automatic handgun on the floor near the driver's seat. The gun had a high-capacity magazine loaded with 15 9mm rounds and had no markings or serial number, consistent with what is referred to as a "Ghost Gun." These firearms cannot be traced and are illegal.


https://www.enterprisenews.com/news/20191030/east-bridgewater-raid-result-of-ongoing-motorcycle-gang-feud

...Agents then executed a federal search warrant and found at least a dozen “large airsoft style weapons that had the appearance of real weapons” in his garage.

In a workshop area, agents found a hidden compartment with two milling plates, which serve “as a template to drill out a receiving for a firearm,” the affidavit states. They located a buffer spring, a firearm part used to assist with recoil of a rifle, and buffer tube, a piece of a rifle that the buffer spring fits inside, it states.

In a hidden compartment, agents say they found an AR-15 styled rifle “ghost gun,” one without any manufacturing or serial numbers to allow it to be traced.

Posted by friendly_iconoclast | Thu Nov 21, 2019, 04:21 PM (1 replies)

There's Only One Way the Patrick and Bloomberg Campaigns Make Sense

FWIW, I think Pareene is very likely wrong about the source of (but not the real reason for) Patrick's candidacy.

I suspect Mitt Romney and Bain Capital had rather more to do with it than the Obamas.
He's spot-on about Bloomberg, imo.

https://newrepublic.com/article/155789/theres-one-way-patrick-bloomberg-campaigns-make-sense


... Still, the Obama camp has been encouraging Patrick to run for years presumably because they think he would be a great candidate—in a general election. Patrick, too, is not the sort to leave his elite private sector job solely to screw over Elizabeth Warren on behalf of his friends from the Obama White House. He seemingly plans to actually run for president with the intention of winning the presidency. But the inescapable fact is that his campaign does not make any logical sense as a conventional primary campaign.

Finally, let us consider Michael Bloomberg, whose bid makes even less sense. While he is able to completely self-fund a presidential campaign, giving him an advantage over Patrick (who is regular-rich, not plutocrat-rich), the former New York City mayor is skipping Iowa and New Hampshire and purchasing generically anti-Trump Facebook ads instead of Facebook ads promoting a Michael Bloomberg candidacy. He has apologized for stop and frisk, yes, but he is broadly doing things to make himself seem acceptable to Democratic voters, not (yet) to convince them to support Michael Bloomberg in enough primaries and caucuses to give him the nomination.

Bloomberg also very much wants to be president, and has only declined to run in the past because he was smart enough to know he couldn’t win as an independent and probably couldn’t win either party’s nomination the traditional way. How could Bloomberg win, then? If he was handed the nomination at a brokered convention. I know that invoking that term is going to touch off a wave of groans from people who, every election cycle, read countless pieces of glorified politics fanfic from pundits predicting brokered conventions that simply do not happen anymore. I said from the start that this was going to be annoying.

But this is the only way these two late entrants make any sense. The Patrick and Bloomberg campaigns are not mere long shots, or attempts to harm Sanders or Warren on behalf of the moderates. They are calculated bets on a brokered convention. These are well-connected people at the highest levels of Democratic Party politics (despite his independent status, Bloomberg has always surrounded himself with Democratic campaign veterans and aides), making it clear that they think there is a real chance that the nomination will be completely up for grabs next July...



Posted by friendly_iconoclast | Wed Nov 20, 2019, 06:02 PM (14 replies)

I don't *think* Bloomberg started his puppet gun control groups for use as contact lists...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1172133670

https://www.democraticunderground.com/12625359


U.S. Mayors' gun control group merges with Moms Demand Action


NEW YORK Thu Dec 19, 2013 12:03pm EST

(Reuters) - Mayors Against Illegal Guns, a gun control group founded and financed by New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, announced on Thursday it will merge with another gun control group, Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America.

The mayors' group will unite its grassroots, policy and field forces with the mothers' group "to enact common-sense policies that respect the rights of gun owners while keeping firearms out of dangerous hands," the groups said in a statement.

Mayors Against Illegal Guns was formed in 2006 as the brainchild of Bloomberg and Boston Mayor Thomas Menino, both of whom will leave office at the end of the year. They argued that mayors were uniquely sensitive to gun violence as it often falls to them to comfort the families of slain police officers.

The group now includes more than 1,000 mayors.



http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/19/us-usa-politics-guns-idUSBRE9BI0XF20131219

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10024288066#post1

et seq

...but undoubtedly his campaign underlings have access to every contact MAIG/MMM/Everytown for Gun Safety/MDA
have or ever had, and are trawling them as I write this.

No doubt Bloomie will poll well with the quiet (and some not-so-quiet) suburban racists that either
approved (or simply elided) his stop-and-frisk policies and racism towards Muslims

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_Police_Department_Intelligence_Bureau#Demographics_unit_/_zone_assessment_unit
Posted by friendly_iconoclast | Sun Nov 17, 2019, 07:30 PM (3 replies)

Federal Court Rules Suspicionless Searches Of Travelers' Phones And Laptops Unconstitutional

Hat tip to DUer Gothmog, who originally posted this in GD:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212678595


Federal Court Rules Suspicionless Searches Of Travelers' Phones And Laptops Unconstitutional

In a major victory for privacy rights, a federal court in Boston today ruled that the government’s suspicionless searches of international travelers’ smartphones and laptops at airports and other U.S. ports of entry violate the Fourth Amendment. The ruling came in a lawsuit, Alasaad v. McAleenan, filed by the American Civil Liberties Union, Electronic Frontier Foundation, and ACLU of Massachusetts, on behalf of 11 travelers whose smartphones and laptops were searched without individualized suspicion at U.S. ports of entry.

“This ruling significantly advances Fourth Amendment protections for the millions of international travelers who enter the United States every year,” said Esha Bhandari, staff attorney with the ACLU’s Speech, Privacy, and Technology Project. “By putting an end to the government’s ability to conduct suspicionless fishing expeditions, the court reaffirms that the border is not a lawless place and that we don’t lose our privacy rights when we travel.”

“This is a great day for travelers who now can cross the international border without fear that the government will, in the absence of any suspicion, ransack the extraordinarily sensitive information we all carry in our electronic devices," said Sophia Cope, EFF senior staff attorney.


https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/federal-court-rules-suspicionless-searches-travelers-phones-and-laptops

https://www.eff.org/

https://www.eff.org/press/releases/federal-court-rules-suspicionless-searches-travelers-phones-and-laptops
Posted by friendly_iconoclast | Tue Nov 12, 2019, 06:23 PM (0 replies)

Remember: Going from House Democrat to "house Democrat" can be profitable

So I completely understand why certain people are making the move...
Posted by friendly_iconoclast | Tue Oct 29, 2019, 05:22 AM (10 replies)
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